Linux-Misc Digest #237, Volume #25 Tue, 25 Jul 00 20:13:03 EDT
Contents:
Re: Operating systems for personal-computers? (raf)
Re: Linux & free ISPs ("Richard Finder")
MP3's skip when I perform other activities (Gordon Gilbert)
Re: Download rate diminishes ("Andrew E. Schulman")
Re: FTP Dependant on Telnet? (Fester)
TCP/IP (Amit Utreja)
Re: MP3's skip when I perform other activities ("dn")
Re: Cannot install Linux, any help appreciated ("dn")
Re: TCP/IP (brian moore)
ftp (Anna)
Re: xfs fails during start up ("Rinaldi J. Montessi")
Re: xfs fails during start up (Jan Johansson)
Re: ./configure problem (Fester)
Re: Operating systems for personal-computers? (Kelly and Sandy)
Re: i810 and Redhat 6.2 (H Dziardziel)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (raf)
Crossposted-To:
alt.os.linux,alt.os.linux.mandrake,comp.lang.oberon,comp.os.lynx,comp.os.mach,comp.os.misc,comp.os.os2.misc,comp.sys.be.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.psion.misc
Subject: Re: Operating systems for personal-computers?
Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 22:14:37 GMT
Doc Shipley wrote:
>raf wrote:
>> I don't know about his grandmother, but I loaded Gobe Productive into my
>> grandmother's 4.5.2 and she's off writing her life stories complete with
>> pictures from 1922. Wait till she discovers the internet.
>
> We wanna read it!
>
Give her time. She's still learning how to type. And if you understand
Hawaiian Pidgin English, you are in for a treat. And if you think she's
frail, ask her neighbor's kid who got the mangos off the tree.
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From: "Richard Finder" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux & free ISPs
Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 22:24:00 GMT
mst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> > Try this page
> > www.metconnect.com
> >
>
> Great! Thanks! It's exactly what I was looking for. They just don't have
> a news server - bummer!
>
> MST
Check out this site. It may help you get a News server...
http://www.freenntp.com/complete.htm
It lists a bunch of free servers and the approximate number of groups it
supports. Don't know if it is what you are looking for, but hey, it's free.
Rich Finder
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Gordon Gilbert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux.mandrake
Subject: MP3's skip when I perform other activities
Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 18:35:19 -0400
I've been having some problems with my sound in Mandrake 7.1. I
have an Aureal Vortex 2 based sound card (Diamond Monster MX300) and
I'm using the Aureal Beta Linux drivers. Music plays fine as long
as I don't change windows, etc. But when I change windows or start
programs, even sometimes when I start downloading a file, the music
will pause briefly and then continue. This is VERY annoying and I'm
looking for a way to stop that behavior. I'd appreciate any ideas
or information. I'll detail some more below.
With Xmms, using the OSS output, it's really bad. However, if I set
the option to use real time priority (requires suid), that seems to
fix the problem for the most part *UNTIL* I use another program that
uses sound (e.g. Gaim when someone messages me). Then I get no gaim
sound at first (unless I hit pause on Xmms and then it immediately
plays) or after a while it just causes stuttering in Xmms and the
gaim sound comes out but stutters too. I'm guessing that they're
trying to use the same sound channel. That seems dumb, but I
thought I read somewhere that OSS does that and that's the reason
Esound exists? If I select Esound output in Xmms, I can indeed hear
other sounds from gaim and what not. The problem then is that once
again, Xmms becomes prone to skips when I open or change windows,
etc. I tried increasing the buffer settings on Xmms, but it doesn't
seem to matter. What's causing those skips?
Furthermore, if I run mpg123 from a shell, I get NO skips! However,
if I run wmmp3 (window-maker style applet that is a frontend to
mpg123) and use it as the frontend to mpg123, once again, sound
skips when I do anything with different windows, etc. (Also, oddly
enough it'll usually only skip the first time I switch between a tab
on a window or something that causes it to redraw part of the
screen. After that, it's like that operation is buffered in memory
or something and it doesn't skip for awhile until I open another
window or so much time has passed, etc. Also, some esound stuff
sounds bad. esdplay in particular tends to produce fairly scratchy
sound sometimes.
For reference, here's my current hardware/software setup:
I'm running a 400MHz Celeron PC running Mandrake 7.1 with a Voodoo3
2000 AGP video card, Monster MX300 sound card, 288 MB of ram (all
recognized; swap almost never used), have a CD-RW drive (HP 8200
series), DVD drive (Toshiba/Memorex) (those drives on are on Intel
440BX motherboard's controller) and my 2 hard drives are on a
Promise Ultra 66 controller card (Linux is installed on a 10GB Ultra
33 drive and the other drive has Win98 on a new 40GB Ultra66 7200
RPM drive). I've also got an HP 812C printer connected via USB
(works in Linux), a trackball on serial port 2, a scroll mouse on
the PS/2 port) and an external Zoom K56 modem on serial port1. I've
also got a few USB devices Linux doesn't recognize and a 2nd sound
card it doesn't recognize that I use under Ms-Dos for old games.
Thanks,
Gordon
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From: "Andrew E. Schulman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Download rate diminishes
Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 18:44:14 -0400
> Any idea why when I download a file or surf the internet, the download rate
> just goes keeps on diminishing until the modem "stalls"?
This is a well-known problem with V.90. It happened to me and I worked
with my ISP for a long time trying different modem init strings, without
success. Finally gave up and changed ISPs, which solved the problem. It's
probably some kind of protocol incompatibility between your modems and your
ISP's.
For lots of information about problems with 56K and troubleshooting, see
the "56K=V.unreliable" site, http://808hi.com/56k/. I know there's a
mention of this problem (though not much in the way of a solution)
somewhere in a sample list of messages about people's V.90 problems.
Good luck,
Andrew.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Fester)
Subject: Re: FTP Dependant on Telnet?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 22:50:33 GMT
On Tue, 25 Jul 2000 15:04:05 GMT, Rasputin
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] <Andrew Purugganan> wrote:
>It's possible that you munged the inetd.conf file somehow;
>is inetd still running?
>(Sounds like it, or you wouldn't get the connected message..?)
Yep, inetd is still running. The only change made was a # in front of the
telnet line. It looks like this:
#
# These are standard services.
#
ftp stream tcp nowait root /usr/sbin/tcpd in.ftpd -l -a
#telnet stream tcp nowait root /usr/sbin/tcpd in.telnetd
#
--
-- Fester
"Anyone can create 'smart' sentences
by using 'one', 'thus', or 'hence'."
-Tomo
"Thus, one is inclined to laugh at
anything Tomo says hence." -Dexter
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From: Amit Utreja <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: TCP/IP
Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 19:02:49 -0400
Hi
I want to trace TCP/IP header on Linux Machine, to extract both TCP and
IP header from the packet received by the kernel. How should i proceed?
Is there any source or software available to read TCP/IP headers ?
Thanks in advance.
-Amit Utreja
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From: "dn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux.mandrake
Subject: Re: MP3's skip when I perform other activities
Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 23:02:08 GMT
had the same problem with Suse6.3 and a Soundblaster Live!
Didn't ever solve it.
"Gordon Gilbert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> I've been having some problems with my sound in Mandrake 7.1. I
> have an Aureal Vortex 2 based sound card (Diamond Monster MX300) and
> I'm using the Aureal Beta Linux drivers. Music plays fine as long
> as I don't change windows, etc. But when I change windows or start
> programs, even sometimes when I start downloading a file, the music
> will pause briefly and then continue. This is VERY annoying and I'm
> looking for a way to stop that behavior. I'd appreciate any ideas
> or information. I'll detail some more below.
>
> With Xmms, using the OSS output, it's really bad. However, if I set
> the option to use real time priority (requires suid), that seems to
> fix the problem for the most part *UNTIL* I use another program that
> uses sound (e.g. Gaim when someone messages me). Then I get no gaim
> sound at first (unless I hit pause on Xmms and then it immediately
> plays) or after a while it just causes stuttering in Xmms and the
> gaim sound comes out but stutters too. I'm guessing that they're
> trying to use the same sound channel. That seems dumb, but I
> thought I read somewhere that OSS does that and that's the reason
> Esound exists? If I select Esound output in Xmms, I can indeed hear
> other sounds from gaim and what not. The problem then is that once
> again, Xmms becomes prone to skips when I open or change windows,
> etc. I tried increasing the buffer settings on Xmms, but it doesn't
> seem to matter. What's causing those skips?
>
> Furthermore, if I run mpg123 from a shell, I get NO skips! However,
> if I run wmmp3 (window-maker style applet that is a frontend to
> mpg123) and use it as the frontend to mpg123, once again, sound
> skips when I do anything with different windows, etc. (Also, oddly
> enough it'll usually only skip the first time I switch between a tab
> on a window or something that causes it to redraw part of the
> screen. After that, it's like that operation is buffered in memory
> or something and it doesn't skip for awhile until I open another
> window or so much time has passed, etc. Also, some esound stuff
> sounds bad. esdplay in particular tends to produce fairly scratchy
> sound sometimes.
>
>
> For reference, here's my current hardware/software setup:
>
> I'm running a 400MHz Celeron PC running Mandrake 7.1 with a Voodoo3
> 2000 AGP video card, Monster MX300 sound card, 288 MB of ram (all
> recognized; swap almost never used), have a CD-RW drive (HP 8200
> series), DVD drive (Toshiba/Memorex) (those drives on are on Intel
> 440BX motherboard's controller) and my 2 hard drives are on a
> Promise Ultra 66 controller card (Linux is installed on a 10GB Ultra
> 33 drive and the other drive has Win98 on a new 40GB Ultra66 7200
> RPM drive). I've also got an HP 812C printer connected via USB
> (works in Linux), a trackball on serial port 2, a scroll mouse on
> the PS/2 port) and an external Zoom K56 modem on serial port1. I've
> also got a few USB devices Linux doesn't recognize and a 2nd sound
> card it doesn't recognize that I use under Ms-Dos for old games.
>
> Thanks,
> Gordon
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From: "dn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,alt.os.linux.mandrake,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Cannot install Linux, any help appreciated
Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 23:12:51 GMT
I was having much HANG troubles until i replaced my S3-Virge with an ATI
Rage Pro.
"Dave Brown" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In article <D2Oe5.2606$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Robert Schumacher
wrote:
> >I am having a problem installing Linux (tried four distributions thus
far).
> >Keeping the differences between distributions in mind, basically what is
> >happening is that the installers either a) freeze at language selection
or
> >b) the keyboard and mouse will not work in the installer. I can't tell
for
>
> I hate to suggest this, but if you can forego the pretty graphical
installer,
> you might try the "text" install of RH 6.2. As the various distros have
> "improved" their hardware sniffing capability, they've also increased the
> possibility of getting hung up on a particular hardware condition. The
> text install skips some of the hardware sniffing, since it doesn't require
> a graphical display or a mouse.
>
> --
> Dave Brown Austin, TX
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (brian moore)
Subject: Re: TCP/IP
Date: 25 Jul 2000 23:17:21 GMT
On Tue, 25 Jul 2000 19:02:49 -0400,
Amit Utreja <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi
> I want to trace TCP/IP header on Linux Machine, to extract both TCP and
> IP header from the packet received by the kernel. How should i proceed?
> Is there any source or software available to read TCP/IP headers ?
tcpdump, ethereal, etc?
See freshmeat.net
--
Brian Moore | Of course vi is God's editor.
Sysadmin, C/Perl Hacker | If He used Emacs, He'd still be waiting
Usenet Vandal | for it to load on the seventh day.
Netscum, Bane of Elves.
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From: Anna <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: ftp
Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 19:34:49 -0400
Hi
Users ( I created ) cannot "ftp" to my machine wheras using this machine
I can "ftp" to other sites. What settings are required so that others
can "ftp" to my machine.
-Anna
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From: "Rinaldi J. Montessi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: linux.redhat.misc,comp.os.linux.x,redhat.x.general
Subject: Re: xfs fails during start up
Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 19:33:39 -0400
Robert Sparr wrote:
>
> Ah-ha!
>
> I had found that /etc/rc.d/init.d/xfs was failing to unlock xfs at
> shutdown. I could boot into runlevel 3, unlock xfs and start is
> manually, and then either do startx or /usr/bin/gdm -daemon and go into
> X11.
>
> The unsolved mystery became why xfs no longer got unlocked. But it is
> true that my /tmp directory was full. (Actually, my / partition was
> full -- I ran an RPM that tried to install a few new directories there
> and filled up the 256MB that Red Hat recommended I allocate there at
> installation.)
>
> Cleaning out the / partition solved the problem. /var/lock/subsys/xfs
> now gets deleted properly at shutdown and starts up at boot time. I can
> boot directly into runlevel 5.
>
> Thank you, everyone, for your help! It is amazing how much you can
> learn by having a few problems.
>
> --
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> Robert H. Sparr [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> SkyPilot Network, L.L.C. <URL goes here>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
I have yet to see the benefits of putting seperate directories on
seperate partitions; e.g. /root, /usr, /var, /home etc. Can someone
enlighten me?
--
Rinaldi]$
One of the reasons American children do so badly in international
tests of academic skills is that our schools are preoccupied with
politically correct social crusades. - Thomas Sowell
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From: Jan Johansson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: linux.redhat.misc,comp.os.linux.x,redhat.x.general
Subject: Re: xfs fails during start up
Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 23:42:00 GMT
>I have yet to see the benefits of putting seperate directories on
>seperate partitions; e.g. /root, /usr, /var, /home etc. Can someone
>enlighten me?
You only run out of space on ONE file system, which may or may not
wreck the system. If /home runs out of space isnt critical, but if
/var gets full and logging stops, you could be in trouble.
You can easily move parts of the system around (well, more easily then
if everything is on a single partition)
You speed up fsck if you separate the "static" daya from the "less
static data"
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Fester)
Subject: Re: ./configure problem
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 23:42:46 GMT
On Tue, 25 Jul 2000 16:06:45 GMT, Michael Seringhaus
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>it does a lot of tests (i.e. checking to see if gcc works .... yes,
>checking to see if timestamp accepts input.... yes, etc etc for about 2
>minutes) , and exits without an error, but then "make" does not work (it
>says "make: command not found"). It seems to be running all the
>preliminary tests but never getting around to creating the "make" file
It is indeed creating the Makefile. (Which is named "Makefile" in the
current directory) What you are missing is the "make" program that
interprets this Makefile. Look for rpms starting with "make" on your
CD(s).
--
-- Fester
"Anyone can create 'smart' sentences
by using 'one', 'thus', or 'hence'."
-Tomo
"Thus, one is inclined to laugh at
anything Tomo says hence." -Dexter
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From: Kelly and Sandy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.os.linux,alt.os.linux.mandrake,comp.lang.oberon,comp.os.lynx,comp.os.mach,comp.os.misc,comp.os.os2.misc,comp.sys.be.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.psion.misc
Subject: Re: Operating systems for personal-computers?
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 00:16:18 +0100
In a alt.os.linux.mandrake newsletter entitled "Operating systems for
personal-computers?", Brice WERNET <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote
>> I'd like to ask any people who happen to be browsing this newsletter
>> what viable personal computer operating systems are available today,
>> besides your Microsoft.
>>
>> There's the Macintosh (MacOS) Next computer I get will be a Mac.
>That's right
>> There's Linux Hmm, we all know and love this one.
>I HATE this one. Or, I HATE KDE and enlightenment. Too heavy. Linux
>itself is very messy. Not for average computer user.
I think the KDE GUI is delightful work. In my ever-so-'umble
opinion (IMHO), X-Windows Linux is still too geeky, hmm, that's too weak
a word for it. Obstinate, officious, and snitty. However... that
KDE... whew... despite it's geekdom 15-year-old-appealing "taskbar",
the KDE-based Linux system is _nearly_ usable and useful to a computer
literate (but non-"IT") person. But it's hardly something to choose for
non-computer work. Vi and emacs might be great for computy, wizardry
work, but it's a total F-off for someone who's got to send of 20,000 to
their publisher by next Tuesday. (These people tend to have 100+ icons
arrayed over their entire Windows 98 desktop.) And it's a headache for
scientists and engineers, who have to use computers as tools, rather
than ends in themselves. Many of these people are extremely competent
programmers in their own right. The astronomer Dr Rachael Padman has
written an article mourning the decision taken in her scientific circles
to abandon VMS and jump onto the UNIX bandwagon, and in the process
given a wonderfully honest appraisal of UNIX: A command-line system
which kicks off by replying that the word 'help' is not meaningful.
http://galaxy.uci.agh.edu.pl/~szymon/books/requiem_unix.txt
Her article has been reprinted recently, in a book (forthcoming?)
called "The UNIX-haters handbook". My wife has already asked for it for
Christmas! I was introduced to UNIX back in the late '70s, so I'm lucky
that I have experiences and memories enough to combat the god-awful
snittiness of today's computer-world and Internet newsgroups. Born of
the '60s, Unix started off liberating computer users (Ok, we were all
programmers then). Today it's used to rope them off and hem them in.
Which is not surprising, considering that today, everyone seems to want
to, or need to, encapsulate themselves in tighter and tighter boxes.
The "I'm cool" box now being most ubiquitous.
Oh dear, lots of highly inflammable material again.
With kind regards,
Sandy
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (H Dziardziel)
Subject: Re: i810 and Redhat 6.2
Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 23:57:03 GMT
On Mon, 24 Jul 2000 15:08:47 +0200, "Mariusz Grabowski"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Hi,
>
>I find the following error while trying to run X Windows on i810 chipset
>based computer (Intel Celeron 500, 64MB RAM) running Redhat 6.2.
>
>After entering: startx I get:
>....
>....
>(--) SVGA: PCI: Intel Unknown chipset (0x7123) rev 3, Memory @ 0xd8000000,
>0xdc100000
>gart allocate: Cannot allocate memory
>(--) SVGA: GART: allocation of 1024 pages failed at page 0
>....
>
>I have upgraded the kernel to 2.2.14-12 to obtain missing agpgart.o as it is
>said in:
>http://www.redhat.com/support/docs/tips/i810.html
>Never the less it does not work -- gart module still has some problems.
>
>Does anyone know what the problem is?
>
>Mariusz
>
>
>
Try Intel's site forum for a lot of good info.
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