Linux-Misc Digest #342, Volume #25 Fri, 4 Aug 00 14:13:02 EDT
Contents:
Re: the psychology of linux and the hacker ethos (brian moore)
Re: Can I pass sockets between processes (Jason Bacon)
Re: FWD: Red Hat's CFO abandoning ship. (John Hasler)
Re: FWD: Red Hat's CFO abandoning ship. (John Hasler)
Re: FWD: Red Hat's CFO abandoning ship. (news)
Re: FWD: Red Hat's CFO abandoning ship. (John Hasler)
Interbase 6 Micro Howto (Robert Lynch)
Re: Help!! apache scripts and setuid (Akira Yamanita)
Re: FWD: Red Hat's CFO abandoning ship. (Johan Kullstam)
Re: dummy terminal (Tony Lawrence)
Re: Outlook 2000 and Sendmail and SMTP and Linux and POP3 ("Terry")
Re: Slackware7 and vmlinux (A Guy Called Tyketto)
Re: FWD: Red Hat's CFO abandoning ship. (Phillip Lord)
NetTaxi Free ISP - anyone got it working? (Kevin E Cosgrove)
Re: Why do I have to put "./" in front of "apachectl"? (John Hasler)
Re: FWD: Red Hat's CFO abandoning ship. (phil hunt)
Re: Almost Lost New Hard Drive After Linux Install (Stewart Honsberger)
Re: FWD: Red Hat's CFO abandoning ship. (Phillip Lord)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (brian moore)
Subject: Re: the psychology of linux and the hacker ethos
Date: 4 Aug 2000 16:47:35 GMT
On Wed, 02 Aug 2000 22:18:29 -0700,
D. C. & M. V. Sessions <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> shawn wrote:
> >
> > Greetings to one and all,
> > Now, I dont really know how to approach this subject, but... well Im
> > having trouble with my whole learning
> > process. I possess no great love of an operating system that crashes
> > frequently, which is the main driving force for my learning linux as
> > opposed to using Windows. Other than that though I have very little
> > motivation. This problem also plagues my quest to learn a programming
> > language, ANY programming language... Ive tried to learn c, c++, perl,
> > python, even HTML causes me to stumble and turn into a vegetable...
> > these things seem to me like lack of motivation, or laziness, or perhaps
> > im am just not at the right age to start cramming all of these things
> > into my cranium. I know this is a bit off-topic, and also that its not
> > really a question one can answer in concrete terms, but im making this
> > call out to all listening; my path to linux is obscured, show me the
> > light!
>
> So who says you have to program? The Linux universe is loaded with
> programmers. Many incredibly talented and experienced. If it's not
> for you, so be it.
True enough, though programming on Linux is always fun.
> What the (Free|Opensource) world needs as much as programmers is
> * Bug hunters. There are *always* more bugs hiding somewhere, waiting
> for the diligent hunter to track them down and point them out to the
> bitsmashers.
> * Writers. Especially writers. Really, really, REALLY especially
> writers who are totally new to Linux and open software and can see
> it with new eyes AND KEEP NOTES ON WHAT THEY LEARN. Document your
> discovery of Linux. Read the HOWTOS (which are barely tolerable),
> grok their inadequacy, AND FIX IT.
>
> Boy, howdy, do we need people who can write about Linux from the new
> user's point of view.
You left out 'feature requesters'.
One of the most annoying things about programming sometimes is thinking
about new features you may want to add. To many programmers, what they
have written is what they need ... but you may have different needs.
If you can (nicely -- this is an art) put together a 'Wow, this is a
great program .. I just wish it would...' sort of thing and express it
in a way that intrigues a programmer, the code will get written.
Heck, even programmers act as 'feature requesters': there is a large
time investment to grok a new program's methods to add a new feature.
If you can use someone who has already invested that time to do it, you
can focus on other tasks.
Again, feature requesting is an art: don't do it in a whiney way (you
want to encourage people to write it, part of which means making them
like you and your ideas). Compliment the existing code. Share why you
think what already exists is cool. In short, play the role of salesman
to sell your wishlist.
Coding isn't always difficult. Quite often there are enough hooks in a
program to make many really cool features easy for someone who knows the
code to add.... but they may not have thought of the idea yet.
--
Brian Moore | Of course vi is God's editor.
Sysadmin, C/Perl Hacker | If He used Emacs, He'd still be waiting
Usenet Vandal | for it to load on the seventh day.
Netscum, Bane of Elves.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jason Bacon)
Subject: Re: Can I pass sockets between processes
Date: 4 Aug 2000 16:49:14 GMT
Yes, it is possible for two processes to read from the same socket,
but you have to be aware that they will be competing for the same
date, i.e. you'll have to take measures to prevent B from reading
data that is intended for C.
B will need to send some information about the socket to C, so that
C can open it's own file descriptor to read from the socket. There
are a lot of ways to do this, the simplest of which would probably
be using a named pipe (created by mkfifo()), which is a higher level
interface usually implemented using sockets at a lower level.
This will ONLY work for IPC between processes on the same host.
Good luck,
-Jason
Shawn Smith ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
: On Fri, 21 Jul 2000 15:32:57 +0100, "Gast Primus"
: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: >Hi
: >
: >This is my problem I hope you can help.
: >
: >I have 3 processes A B and C running on a single processor. A writes to B
: >via a socket, B reads the info and passes it on to C via a socket. Is it
: >possible for B to pass A's socket to C so they can read and write directly
: >returning the socket to B when communication is over.
: >
: >References to books, man pages etc would be appreciated.
: >
: >Thanks
: >
: >Iain
: >
: >NB I am running Red hat 5.1 but will upgrade if this helps
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From: John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: FWD: Red Hat's CFO abandoning ship.
Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 14:33:37 GMT
Phillip Lord writes:
> The free market can not exist where there is not a limited supply. So for
> instance (to a broad approximation) there is no market for air, because
> everyone can get it, and limiting its supply is not practical.
But there is a limited supply of tangible embodiments of original works:
Cheap Bytes competes with LSL in the market for CD's full of free software.
> The existence of copyright allows restriction on words and hence creates
> a market place where otherwise there would not have been one, i.e. for
> words.
That market is free only to the extent that a magazine editor desperate to
fill his next issue considers one 5,000 word item as good as another.
> You are correct that it suppresses the free market in copies of the work
> though.
And that is what counts.
--
John Hasler
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Dancing Horse Hill
Elmwood, Wisconsin
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From: John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: FWD: Red Hat's CFO abandoning ship.
Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 13:00:44 GMT
Phillip Lord writes:
> The separation of the "government" and the "economy" is strange though.
It's conventional.
> The government effects the economy enormously by the simple act of being
> there and spending as much cash as it does, and the economy massively
> effects the government and what it can do.
Nonetheless, treating the economy and the government as seperate systems is
a useful approximation, "Everything is part of everything else" holism is
not practical.
--
John Hasler
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Dancing Horse Hill
Elmwood, Wisconsin
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (news)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: FWD: Red Hat's CFO abandoning ship.
Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 15:02:03 GMT
From: John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 04 Aug 2000 10:01:58 -0500
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Phillip Lord writes:
> If capitalism is so wonderful why then is it investing in a massively
> repressive regime?
"Capitalism" doesn't invest in anything. Businessmen do, each for his own
reasons.
> And why does the indispensable nation which is so totally committed to
> freedom give it preferred trading status.
Not preferred status, normal status (which used to be called, rather
confusingly, "most favored nation status"). And the reason, of course, is
expediency.
> Or is it just that global capitalism could not really care less about
> freedom.
Capitalism, global or otherwise, does not care about freedom or anything
else. It's an economic theory, not a political movement.
--
John Hasler
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Dancing Horse Hill
Elmwood, Wisconsin
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From: John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: FWD: Red Hat's CFO abandoning ship.
Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 15:15:46 GMT
Robert Krawitz writes:
> Copyright registration is, AFAIK, nothing more than a way of establishing
> proof for filing suit for damages.
Not quite. Infringing a registered copyright makes you liable for, IIRC,
up to $100,000 in statutory damages even in the absence of any actual
damages.
--
John Hasler
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Dancing Horse Hill
Elmwood, Wisconsin
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From: Robert Lynch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Interbase 6 Micro Howto
Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 09:52:02 -0700
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hiya-
Like all geeks, as soon as Interbase 6 was open-sourced and made
available, I downloaded and installed it.
Below my .sig is a micro howto, basically what I found out trying to use
the database and having to hack around and search the internet for
sparse resources.
Probably totally obvious to anyone who really uses Interbase; if so,
they are welcome to add, clarify, amplify on my post. Sorry for
the length of this msg., but how else ya gonna impart info? :)
Enjoy, Bob L.
P.S. Flames to /tmp/null.gdb.
--
Robert Lynch-Berkeley CA [EMAIL PROTECTED]
--
2000-08-04 Interbase 6 Micro-Howto
Robert Lynch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
0) I am using super server, not classic. So runs as daemon, not as
spawned by inetd.
1) create interbase user/group
2) start interbase superserver:
echo '/opt/interbase/bin/ibmgr -start -forever' | su interbase
there are "connection refused" errors, but kinda
counter-intuitively the server starts and runs nevertheless. I
don't know what needs to be done to do this the "Right Way(TM)".
3) Script to start the server on boot:
===
#!/bin/sh
# ibserver shell script - Start/stop the InterBase 6 daemon
# Set these environment variables if and only if they are not set.
: ${INTERBASE:=/opt/interbase}
: ${ISC_USER:=SYSDBA}
: ${ISC_PASSWORD:=veryverysecret}
# WARNING: in a real-world installation, you should not put the
# SYSDBA password in a publicly-readable file. To protect it:
# chmod 700 ibserver.sh; chown root ibserver.sh
export INTERBASE
export ISC_USER
export ISC_PASSWORD
ibserver_start() {
# This example assumes the InterBase server is
# being started as UNIX user 'interbase'.
su -l interbase -c "$INTERBASE/bin/ibmgr -start -forever"\
> /dev/null 2>&1
}
ibserver_stop() {
# No need to su, since $ISC_USER and $ISC_PASSWORD validate us.
$INTERBASE/bin/ibmgr -shut
}
case $1 in
'start') ibserver_start ;;
'start_msg') echo 'InterBase Server starting...\c' ;;
'stop') ibserver_stop ;;
'stop_msg') echo 'InterBase Server stopping...\c' ;;
*) echo 'Usage: $0 { start | stop }' ; exit 1 ;;
esac
exit 0
======
4) tip gleaned from internet search; create /etc/hosts.equiv with FQDN
entry:
echo 'myserver.mydomain.com' > /etc/hosts.equiv
(kinda disturbing, implies Interbase relies on "r-tools"?)
5) As root, start isql, connect to a database, for example:
SQL>connect myserver.mydomain.com:/opt/interbase/examples/employee.gdb;
(also can use just 'myserver:/opt..")
SQL>show table;
SQL>select * from country;
SQL>exit;
6) tools (descriptions lifted from docs):
isql
The isql tool is a shell-type interactive program that enables you to
quickly and easily enter SQL statements to execute with respect to a
database.
gbak and gsplit
You can run a database backup and restore on a local or remote
database with gbak.
Additionally, there is a command-line tool gsplit that filters the
output of gbak and writes to multiple files on disk. This permits you
to back up a multifile database when the backup file is larger than
the operating system maximum.
gfix
You can use gfix to configure several properties of a database:
active/shutdown status, cache allocation, etc.
gsec
You can configure authorized users to access InterBase servers and
databases with gsec.
gstat
You can use gstat to view various database statistics.
iblockpr
View lock manager statistics
ibmgr
Start and stop the InterBase server process.
7) Configure users:
isc4.gdb is the Interbase security database. Format:
Column Required? Description
User name Yes The name that the user supplies
when logging in. Maximum length
is 31 characters.
Password Yes The user's password. Case sensitive.
Only the first eight characters are
significant. Maximum length is 32
characters.
UID No An integer that specifies a user ID
GID No An integer that specifies a group ID
Full name No User's real name (as opposed to login
name)
--
#gsec -database myserver.mydomain.com:/opt/interbase/isc4.gdb
(Annoying: must not end with ";". Only SQL commands do.)
GSEC>help (gmyserver list of commands)
GSEC>display (give the display command to see current user config.)
GSEC>add adams -pw test123 -uid 502 -gid 502 -fname John -mname Quincy
-lname Adams
GSEC>delete adams
GSEC>modify sysdba -pw mostlysecret (change master password.)
GSEC>quit
----
8) Now you can query the database as a user, as in the example above.
9) You can create databases:
SQL> create database "myserver:/tmp/bozo.gdb";
QL> create table list (
CON> bozos VARCHAR(30),
CON> whyme VARCHAR(10)
CON> );
SQL> show table;
LIST
SQL> insert into list values ('fleeb', 'sure is');
SQL> select * from list;
BOZOS WHYME
============================== ==========
fleeb sure is
10) AND that's all folks...
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From: Akira Yamanita <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux.caldera,linux.redhat.misc,comp.os.linux.setup,alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: Help!! apache scripts and setuid
Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 17:05:29 GMT
jtoy wrote:
>
> I forgot to write the sed script I wrote:
> #!/bin/bash
> /bin/sed s/1stword/2ndword/ /some/file
> echo "thank You"
In addition to what RJ said about requiring a file or directory
to which the user nobody has access to, you'll get a "Premature
end of script headers" error if that's all your script consists
of.
#!/bin/bash
echo "Content-type: text/plain"
echo
/bin/sed s/1stword/2ndword/ /some/file
echo "thank You"
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From: Johan Kullstam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: FWD: Red Hat's CFO abandoning ship.
Date: 04 Aug 2000 12:59:37 -0400
John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Phillip Lord writes:
> > The separation of the "government" and the "economy" is strange though.
>
> It's conventional.
by whos convention? macro-economics, keynes &c are all about how
linked government and economy are. you may be of the monetarist
religion, but keynesian economics is hardly uncoventional.
> > The government effects the economy enormously by the simple act of being
> > there and spending as much cash as it does, and the economy massively
> > effects the government and what it can do.
>
> Nonetheless, treating the economy and the government as seperate systems is
> a useful approximation,
and i think it's a completely worthless approximation.
> "Everything is part of everything else" holism is
> not practical.
they don't call it the dismal science for nothing.
--
J o h a n K u l l s t a m
[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
sysengr
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From: Tony Lawrence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: dummy terminal
Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 13:24:12 -0400
J Smith wrote:
>
> I have seen a lot of dummy terminals for sale on ebay and other auction
> places for about $30 to $50 each sans monitor
Sans monitor? Makes no sense- dumb (not dummy!) terminals
general have just a keyboard and a monitor; what brains they
have is all in there.
See http://pcunix.com/Unixart/terminals.html for a general
introduction to these things.
>
> How can you use these to access the internet from DSL or cable modem
> connection?
Depends on what you mean by "access". You can use "lynx"
from a dumb terminal, but not Netscape. You can telnet and
ftp from a dumb terminal.
The terminal needs to be connected to a real computer
though. The point of these things is character mode (like
you get on CTRL-ALT F1 etc.) access to a multiuser
(Unix/Linux/VMS/?) system. Technically it could just be
connected to a modem- I used to have one setup like that
here so that I could access my email quickly without waiting
for the computer to boot- but fewer and fewer isp's support
such dialup accounts and character based mail is not
something anyone else here can grok, so I put it away awhile
ago.
>
> Can it be used independently if there is a browser built-in, and if the
> browser is not built in, how would a Linux box be set up to allow the use of
> these dummy terminals?
Dumb terminals connect to serial ports. There are smarter
things that do have browsers
http://pcunix.com/Reviews/wt5.1.html for example) and can
even function stand-alone (not connected to another
computer) but you aren't going to see those for $50.00.
--
Tony Lawrence ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
SCO/Linux Tests: http://pcunix.com/tests.html
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From: "Terry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Outlook 2000 and Sendmail and SMTP and Linux and POP3
Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 10:16:56 -0700
Hi - I've done this a number of times - it's quite straightforward
ormally - I'll need some more information though
1) What is happening when you try to send mail from one of the windows
machines ? an error message? the system just eats your message ? or
something else.
2)What linux distribution are you using ?
3)Is the linux box connected to the internet - do you receive email from the
internet ?
--
Terry Moore-Read - Computer Guru & Part-time rocket scientist
NAR # 77465 Insured Level 1
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.moorecomputersolutions.com
$30 domain names see our website for details
Paul <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> dear sendmail/linux experts,
>
> I am very new to setting up sendmail, in fact, it's the first time for
> me.
> I have tried to read as much info as possible before trying this out,
> but still having problems.
>
> I am trying to set up a linux box (not yet connected to outside,
> eventually it will be) to send/receive local emails (within the same
> domain) using MS Outlook 2000 as a client on a NT box.
> I have a NT box with MS outlook 2000 configured to connect to the
> linux box to receive e-mails via POP3D and send via SMTP.
>
> The problem is that it is able to receive emails on the linux box via
> POP3, but it is unable to send any local emails to the local domain
> (in this case the linux box)
>
> Can someone help?
> Thanks in advance.
> Paul
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From: A Guy Called Tyketto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Slackware7 and vmlinux
Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 17:44:06 GMT
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mst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Slackware, unlike other Linux distros, doesn't keep the kernel images in
> /boot, but rather in /.
> So, your current kernel is (after a fresh install, anyway, before you go
> and build your own) /vmlinuz.
> What I do after I build a kernel on Slack: go to
> /usr/src/linux/arch/i386/boot and take the bzImage, copy it to / under a
> suggestive name, say bzImage-2.2.16 etc., then edit /etc/lilo.conf and
> make an entry for the new bzImage, then run lilo and reboot. This way I
> also keep my older kernels, which I can boot if something is wrong with
> the new one.
However, this can be modified with any kernel compilation. Just
do a search for /boot in the top level Makefile, and uncomment that
line. With that, when you do a make zlilo or make bzlilo, it will be
automagically copied into /boot. Give that a go.
BL.
- --
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Unix Systems Administrator, | [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Web + NewsMaster, BOFH.. Smeghead! :) | http://www.wizard.com/~tyketto
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From: Phillip Lord <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: FWD: Red Hat's CFO abandoning ship.
Date: 04 Aug 2000 18:45:57 +0100
>>>>> "John" == John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
John> Phillip Lord writes:
>> The separation of the "government" and the "economy" is strange
>> though.
John> It's conventional.
Its also ideological, and tends to result in what appear to me
to be circular arguments.
>> The government effects the economy enormously by the simple act
>> of being there and spending as much cash as it does, and the
>> economy massively effects the government and what it can do.
John> Nonetheless, treating the economy and the government as
John> seperate systems is a useful approximation, "Everything is
John> part of everything else" holism is not practical.
I don't think that I am guilty of making this sort of holism.
The "economy" and "business" have an enormous impact on my life. Many
years ago we got around to chopping the heads of our feudal leaders
and gained ourselves a measure of democracy. I can not see why a
feudal hierarchy is seen to be a bad thing in government but the
normal accepted practice in industry.
Phil
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kevin E Cosgrove)
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: NetTaxi Free ISP - anyone got it working?
Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 17:45:02 GMT
Anyone have the NetTaxi free ISP working with Linux yet?
If so, how?
Thanks...
--
Unless otherwise noted, the statements herein reflect my personal
opinions and not those of any organization with which I may be affiliated.
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From: John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why do I have to put "./" in front of "apachectl"?
Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 16:36:03 GMT
Chris Schachte writes:
> When you say the command isn't in my path, you're saying the path is the
> directory that the shell will assume all executables I type will be
> located unless I type a specific path in front of the name of each
> executable?
Yes, except that it is a list of directories. Type 'echo $PATH' to see it.
> I must instead preface it with "." to tell linux that the executable is
> in the working directory, and then tell it to execute /apachectl start.
> Right?
Exactly.
> ...why is it good not to have that working directory in my path?
> I am guessing security reasons,...
Yes. Someone could slip a trojan named something like 'sl' into a
directory you frequent. Then when your fingers slip and you type 'sl'
instead of 'ls' it does its work, deletes itself, and execs 'ls'. This is
obviously much more dangerous for root then for users.
--
John Hasler
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Dancing Horse Hill
Elmwood, Wisconsin
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (phil hunt)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: FWD: Red Hat's CFO abandoning ship.
Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 13:39:57 +0100
On Thu, 03 Aug 2000 17:21:38 -0700, blowfish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Robert Krawitz wrote:
>>
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jay Maynard) writes:
>>
>> > I take particular offense at this, as I consider myself a Southerner. Once
>> > again, you ignore basic facts and human rights, just as with your leftist
>> > gun-grabbing position: selling your children into slavery harms them, but
>> > the original software is now, and will forever be, free, NO MATTER WHAT
>> > ANYONE ELSE DOES WITH IT. You seek to deny me the right to control my own
>> > work merely because it is an improvement on your work. This is not freedom.
>> > It is communism.
>>
>> It's every bit as communistic as the fact that you are not allowed to
>> control a work that you write that is a derivative of e. g. a Star
>> Trek episode.
>>
>> Now, as it happens I do believe that copyright is anti-free-market in
>> the sense that the government intervenes to protect a private monopoly
>> from competition (that's not usually called "communism"; it's more
>> like mercantilism). I would personally be quite happy to give up the
>> GPL in exchange for the complete abolition of copyright.
>>
>
> No. You're incorrect.
>
>Copyright does not interfers with free market. In fact, copy rights
>support free market. Because the copyrights owner can sell his/her work
>any which ways s/he wants.
Yes, and other people can't. So it isn't free. A free market implies lots
of independent buyers asnd sellers. The *whole* point of copyright is to
give someone an artificial monopoly in a good.
>But copyright is anti *free loaders*
>
>Absolutely nothing wrong with that.
Whether it is right or wrong is orthogonal with whether it is a free
market.
--
*****[ Phil Hunt ]*****
** The RIAA want to ban Napster -- so boycott the music industry! **
** Don't buy CDs during August; see http://boycott-riaa.com/ **
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Stewart Honsberger)
Subject: Re: Almost Lost New Hard Drive After Linux Install
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 17:53:06 GMT
On Fri, 04 Aug 2000 16:33:27 GMT, Svend Olaf Mikkelsen wrote:
>> the problem may be due to the basic hardware and bios
>>configuration, but it happened after an install of Mandrake 7.0
[...]
>> Does anyone know why it happened and how I can setup
>>my present hardware to do what I origionally wanted it to do?
>The problem was that the Linux installation made cyclic partition
>tables. DOS cannot boot in that situation. Since no suitable
>partitioning tools exist for Linux, you cannot expect to be able to
>install Linux or expect data to be safe, if other operation systems
>are in the system.
Would you mind backing this statement up with some facts, please?
I partitioned both a 6 and 4 GIG HDD with SuSE Linux 6.4, installed
SuSE, then installed Win'98SE on the FAT32 partition I'd previously
created with SuSE. Both OSs boot without any problems. Windoze doesn't
see my ext2 or swap partitions, which is exactly the behaviour I was
looking for.
His problem more likely lies in the fact that his system (BIOS) is too
old to recognize the large HDD. The fact that in the first place he
could only see 8GB should have been the first clue. Installing Windoze
on it was likely his first mistake.
My advice to the original poster; try to find a recent BIOS flash on
the manufacturers's website and see if that'll allow you to see a HDD
larger than 8GB. Failing that, I'm afraid a hardware upgrade would be
the only other avenue I could forsee.
--
Stewart Honsberger (AKA Blackdeath) @ http://tinys.cx/blackdeath
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Humming along under SuSE 6.4, Linux 2.4.0-test5
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From: Phillip Lord <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: FWD: Red Hat's CFO abandoning ship.
Date: 04 Aug 2000 18:54:15 +0100
>>>>> "news" == news <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> And why does the indispensable nation which is so totally
>> committed to freedom give it preferred trading status.
news> Not preferred status, normal status (which used to be called,
news> rather confusingly, "most favored nation status"). And the
news> reason, of course, is expediency.
I believe that I am accurate in my reflection of the
terminology used by the US government.
>> Or is it just that global capitalism could not really care less
>> about freedom.
news> Capitalism, global or otherwise, does not care about freedom
news> or anything else. It's an economic theory, not a political
news> movement.
I have already expressed my opinion that the idea that
you can separate society into economics and politics silly. When Shell
Oil encouraged the Nigerian government to execute Ken Saro Wiwa were
they being economical or political? When Suharto of Indonesia invaded
E. Timor, and has 1/3 of the population massacred over the next 6 years,
with US and UK made weapons, funded by money from Australian oil
companies who extracted the oil that E.Timor sat on top of, was this a
political act or an economic one? What about Philip Morris' and BAT
attempts to sabotage the WHO anti-smoking campaign? Or M$'s attempts
to side step the US governments attentions using several political
organisations as a front, if I understood the story correctly?
Phil
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