Linux-Misc Digest #521, Volume #25 Tue, 22 Aug 00 03:13:05 EDT
Contents:
Best way to learn "real world" skills? (MH)
X-CD-Roast reads data CDs but not audio under RH6.2 ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: marking 'bad' sectors? (Quentin Christensen)
Re: marking 'bad' sectors? (Quentin Christensen)
Re: where is Redhat 7.0 beta?
Re: commands hanging in RH6.1 ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Files and directories use by a program ("Andrew N. McGuire ")
Re: Best way to learn "real world" skills? ("Andrew N. McGuire ")
Re: installed kernel configuration ("Andrew N. McGuire ")
Re: Is Mandrake Really Red Hat... (moonie;))
Re: Best Linux Distribution (Tomalak)
Re: logitech keyboard problem in VI (nico)
Re: FYA - Parody: Microsoft Pie (The Day the Servers Died) ("[EMAIL PROTECTED]")
Re: Some weird xterm behaviour! (Lew Pitcher)
Re: FTP message Question (Lew Pitcher)
Open source Driver for Yamaha XG-SD ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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From: MH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Best way to learn "real world" skills?
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 20:55:21 -0700
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I've been using Linux for about a year and half--I have it installed on
3 boxes on a home network--and am just becoming comfortable with the
basics. I would eventually like to move from my current position as a
Windows Network Administrator into a similar position in a Linux
environment.
There is NO chance we will be migrating to Linux at my job, since all
the software we use is donated by MS. I do not think I can master all of
the skills necessary to do this simply by reading and fiddling with a
3-box network without any real users--it's just too artificial.
I am considering taking a 5-day "boot camp" on Linux Administration, but
am concerned about the real benefits of such a short learning period,
even if taught by reputable and knowledgeable professionals in a
hands-on environment.
It seems I'm caught in a bit of a chicken-and-egg situation. Any
suggestions based on your own experiences?
--
"The worst form of inequality is to try to make unequal things equal."
--Aristotle
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: X-CD-Roast reads data CDs but not audio under RH6.2
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 03:57:32 GMT
Okay, this has me really stumped. We have been
running xcdroast-0.96e under RH6.1 for quite a
long while with very few problems. Recently, we
upgraded from 6.1 to 6.2, and this seemed to break
xcdroast in a most unusual way. The program still
reads data (i.e., iso9660) CDs, but no longer
recognizes the CD drive whenever an audio CD is
entered. I originally thought that this was a
problem with the gtcd program automagically
reading the audio CDs, but when I disabled that in
the gnome configuration, the problem remained. We
have a Plextor PlexWriter 8/20 CD-R, on a SCSI
interface. Thank you for letting me know
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Quentin Christensen)
Subject: Re: marking 'bad' sectors?
Date: 22 Aug 2000 04:09:56 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Garry Knight) wrote in
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>On Mon, 21 Aug 2000, Kichi Leung wrote:
>>On Mon, 21 Aug 2000, Quentin Christensen wrote:
>
>>>I have linux (slackware 7.0) on a partition of my hard drive, but the
>>>hard drive has a couple of bad sectors here and there. Sometimes
>>>when doing hard disk acess the drive will whine and clunk and
>>>eventually do whatever it's trying to do.
>>>
>>>Is there anything like scandisk for linux, to find and mark sectors
>>>as bad (or however linux does it, I must look that up...)?
>>
>>Try using fsck. For e2fs, you stat it with the command e2fsck :-)
>>For documentation: man fsck
>
>Hmmm... That's not quite true. The e2fsck command works on e2fs
>partitions only whereas fsck checks the partition type and calls a
>handler for the relevant type. Quentin didn't say what partition type
>he's having problems with.
>
>--
>Garry Knight
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Sorry, didn't think to mention that :) (damn, now I have to think what it
is...) Um, ext2? Does that sound right? Standard Slackware 7.0 setup created
linux partition.. Yes, I'm pretty sure that's what it is :)
Thanks for the tips, I'll have a crack at it after I get offline and reboot
into linux (I haven't yet figured out how to properly set up linux so all my
ports and things aren't open and noticing the amount of 'hits' my firewall gets
I've become a bit paranoid about leaving my system so wide open).
Regards
Quentin.
--
Quentin Christensen.
My Freeware: http://www.ozemail.com.au/~mynx/quentisl/freeware.html
To reduce spam, my email is protected by the Beer spam filter:
replace the 'chug' with a 'hug' in my address to reach me.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Quentin Christensen)
Subject: Re: marking 'bad' sectors?
Date: 22 Aug 2000 04:13:18 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (-ljl-) wrote in <8nr87t$74p$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Quentin Christensen) wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> I'm pretty new to linux, so please excuse me if this is a stupid
>question :)
>>
>> I have linux (slackware 7.0) on a partition of my hard drive, but the
>hard
>> drive has a couple of bad sectors here and there.
>
>My experiences with drives is that this is an eary warning of things
>to come. If the drive is still under warranty (usually 3-5 years)
>replace it.
>
Yes, It's actually a 'spare' drive I've had sitting around for ages,
temporarily my primary drive since my other one died. no more warranty :(
I'm planning to get a new drive very soon. Was tossing up getting one of those
nice new super-fast SCSI ones - am I going to have trouble getting support for
these under linux?
>Personally I wouldn't trust the drive for anything important.
>
I'm not, Linux is there since I'm studying it and learning it - planning to do
a much better clean install after I get a new HDD and figure out what I'm doing
a bit more :)
>That said try "man badblocks"; beware if you run badblocks a second
>time it will still report the blocks as bad but they are the same ones.
>Play with it using a diskette.
>
>--
>Louis-ljl-{ Louis J. LaBash, Jr. }
Thanks, I'll try that
Regards
Quentin.
--
Quentin Christensen.
My Freeware: http://www.ozemail.com.au/~mynx/quentisl/freeware.html
To reduce spam, my email is protected by the Beer spam filter:
replace the 'chug' with a 'hug' in my address to reach me.
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: where is Redhat 7.0 beta?
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 04:29:28 GMT
http://www.redhat.com/download/mirror.html
available at metlab.unc.edu
faster from rufus.w3.org ( powertools link is not working)
Peter Bismuti wrote:
>
>
> I've searched and cannot find it on the web, anyone know where to look?
>
> Thx
--
Posted via CNET Help.com
http://www.help.com/
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: commands hanging in RH6.1
Date: 22 Aug 2000 04:51:28 GMT
Bob Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> When I type "tar -x [filename]", the command hangs and doesn't perform
>> it's function.
> You have tell tar to use a file as input with the f option; otherwise it
> uses standard input.
Thanks Bob, and all who responded. I read man, but my conceptual
disability makes me miss stuff. That (the missing 'f') was the problem.
I believe the behavior with 'route' may relate to the difference between
this box (server setup) and the other (workstation install) where I don't
see this behavior.
John Meshkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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http://www.sivakalpa.org/johnpipe/
"I do not know that I know the self fully,
neither do I know that I know him not"
...from the Upanishads
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From: "Andrew N. McGuire " <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Files and directories use by a program
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 23:56:34 -0500
On Tue, 22 Aug 2000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] quoth:
~~ Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 00:21:58 GMT
~~ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
~~ Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.misc
~~ Subject: Files and directories use by a program
~~
~~ I am running a command line program (realproducer) and would like to
~~ know the files and directories used while that program is running.
~~
~~ Is there a command to visualize that?
This may not be the best way, but you could strace it.
If the program is already running:
strace -f -p PID
If not:
strace -f program
For example do an 'strace -f ls' for a fairly detailed example of
what ls is actually doing.
HTH && HAND
anm
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~ Andrew N. McGuire ~
~ [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~
~ "Plan to throw one away; you will, anyhow." - Frederick P. Brooks, Jr. ~
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From: "Andrew N. McGuire " <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Best way to learn "real world" skills?
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 00:12:45 -0500
On Mon, 21 Aug 2000, MH quoth:
~~ Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 20:55:21 -0700
~~ From: MH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
~~ Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.misc
~~ Subject: Best way to learn "real world" skills?
~~
~~ I've been using Linux for about a year and half--I have it installed on
~~ 3 boxes on a home network--and am just becoming comfortable with the
~~ basics. I would eventually like to move from my current position as a
~~ Windows Network Administrator into a similar position in a Linux
~~ environment.
Well, you could join the US Marine Corps, that is where I got started
quite a while back. I have a coworker who has been doing system admin/C
programming for 15 years after starting in the US Navy.. No, seriously
you are in a tough situation. But doing UNIX admin is a nice job if
you really like it, it is like playing all day.
~~ There is NO chance we will be migrating to Linux at my job, since all
~~ the software we use is donated by MS. I do not think I can master all of
~~ the skills necessary to do this simply by reading and fiddling with a
~~ 3-box network without any real users--it's just too artificial.
Quite true, one way to get started is at an ISP. ISP's are big on
Linux, and love to hire relatively inexperienced, but highly motivated
individuals.. I was a senior admin at an ISP for a while, and we
were always looking for new guys to teach stuff to. Don't be
suprised if you get hired as a tape jockey at first though. Often
times a brand new admin will get assigned the task of making sure
the servers are backed up, adding user accounts, reading logs, and
reporting errors. Fairly trivial things at first (and this is
not just for ISP's either). If you stick with it though you will
get to work with some interesting technologies and people will
eventually start to come to you for help. After a couple years
doing that kind of stuff, you can consider your foot pretty much
in the door, but the learning doesn't stop, EVER.
~~ I am considering taking a 5-day "boot camp" on Linux Administration, but
~~ am concerned about the real benefits of such a short learning period,
~~ even if taught by reputable and knowledgeable professionals in a
~~ hands-on environment.
I am generally weary of such 'crash courses'. Sometimes they do
yield some good information, however more often than not, they are
not worth the price.
~~ It seems I'm caught in a bit of a chicken-and-egg situation. Any
~~ suggestions based on your own experiences?
Start with an ISP or University, work your way up the chain there,
then once you REALLY have a handle on things, move out into the
market where the real money can be made. Just be aware, that
UNIX admin can be a tiring job, but then again you already have
done Windows admin, so I would hate to see what your pager looks
like. ;^)
anm
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~ Andrew N. McGuire ~
~ [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~
~ "Plan to throw one away; you will, anyhow." - Frederick P. Brooks, Jr. ~
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Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux
From: "Andrew N. McGuire " <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: installed kernel configuration
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 00:15:46 -0500
On Tue, 22 Aug 2000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] quoth:
~~ Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 01:31:29 GMT
~~ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
~~ Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.misc, alt.os.linux
~~ Subject: installed kernel configuration
~~
~~ Hi,
~~
~~ Is there any way to see how the kernel on my Dell Redhat 6.2 distro was
~~ compiled? (I need to make sure that CONFIG_MODULES = y, CONFIG_SOUND =
~~ y/m, CONFIG_SOUND_* = n) If this is so, I don't have to recompile it.
I am not certain RH does this, but you could try:
cat /boot/config
Slackware installs the default config file there, again I am not sure if
RH does or not, but it is worth a try. :-)
anm
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~ [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~
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From: moonie;) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.x
Subject: Re: Is Mandrake Really Red Hat...
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 01:17:08 -0400
On Mon, 21 Aug 2000, Peter T. Breuer wrote:
>In comp.os.linux.misc moonie;) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>: On Mon, 21 Aug 2000, Peter T. Breuer wrote:
>:>In comp.os.linux.misc Kenneth Rorvik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>:>: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Johan Kullstam) wrote in
>:>: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>:>There is also wastage due to the different memory alignment schemes,
>:>but I don't think it will be nocicable going 586 to 686.
>:>
>:>You'd win again on a 787 architecture, though (:-).
>
>: If this argument is correct then why did GCC go to the PGCC code for the latest
>
>They didn't. What has happened is more complex than you are making out.
According to the PGCC website with 2.95 GCC did go to the PGCC code.
--
moonie ;)
Registered Linux User #175104
KDE2
Kernel 2.4.0-test5
XFree86 4.0 Nvidia .94 drivers
RAID 0 Stripped
Test-Pilots-R-Us ;)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Tomalak)
Subject: Re: Best Linux Distribution
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 05:47:24 GMT
On Mon, 21 Aug 2000 15:09:34 GMT, "Luc Van Bogaert"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
:What's wrong with you people? Has the Linux hype gone to your
: heads or something? Don't want newbies here? Too busy with
: intelligent stuff to answer stupid questions about Linux distributions?
No -- it's just human nature to get a bit stupid once frustration sets
in. Please understand that there simply isn't a "best" disrtibution of
Linux. With over 100 distros to choose from (not counting my own),
it's not a simple question anymore like asking if IBM's OS/2 Warp v1.2
is better that MS Win 3.11. That is, regardless of the packaging, each
distribution has a similar kernel build and base system for GNU/Linux.
In any event, the "best" distribution really depends on your rig, your
deployment plans for Linux, and your level of computer "geekness".
This is the only sensible answer we should have offered your here. To
outright flame a newbie for asking any question is simply inexcusable.
Unfortunately, the Linux community includes those that have failed to
learn from the history of UNIX. GNU/Linux deserves something better.
:
:Anyway, I will do as you recommend and do some digging myself if I need
:any help or advice about Linux, and think twice before I turn to this
:newsgroup.
Assuming you are still watching threads to this post, please consider
doing a little digging at http://www.linuxstart.com/newbies Lots of
good links there that hopefully you'll find useful in answering some
of your initial questions about GNU/Linux. From there might dig a bit
deeper by checking out http://www.linuxnewbie.org/articles/ or
alternately http://www.cpureview.com/reviews.html for installation
related headaches.
:Thanks,
:
:
:Luc Van Bogaert
:
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From: nico <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,linux.redhat.misc
Subject: Re: logitech keyboard problem in VI
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 22:51:49 -0700
i actually, realized that it had nothing to do with vi, but with xterm.
so i jsut use a different terminal now. i will try to conteact the
people behind xterm to ask them.
thanks
--
The young (who always want more and have no game to protect),
the artists (who always hunger for the ecstatic moment),
and the alienated (the wise slaves and noble minority groups watching
from the periphery of the society). "High Priest," -- Timothy Leary
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From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: rec.music.filk,alt.2600,rec.humor
Subject: Re: FYA - Parody: Microsoft Pie (The Day the Servers Died)
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 01:28:49 -0500
On Sat, 19 Aug 2000 17:08:48 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>Microsoft Pie - To the tune of "American Pie" by Don McClean
>---------------------------------------------------------------------
>Rev. History
>V1.0 - 05/2000 - Written by "Cujo The Wonder Puppy"
>([EMAIL PROTECTED])
>---------------------------------------------------------------------
too fucking funny....
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From: Lew Pitcher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Some weird xterm behaviour!
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 18:08:00 -0400
"Andrew N. McGuire" wrote:
>
> Thought someone might find this interesting:
>
> I brought up an xterm, ssh'ed into a remote machine running
> Solaris, and by-accidentally cat'ed a gzipped PDF file. Well
> I'll be darned, but this causes my machine to start spooling
> print requests!! The funny thing is it is reproducable, you
> can do it catting almost any binary. Once it is done screwing
> up your terminal, exit the remote session and do an lpq, you
> may see jobs queued for no apparent reason.
>
> You will see messages such as this on the console if you aren't
> running the print daemon:
>
> lpr: connect: Connection refused
> jobs queued, but cannot start daemon.
>
> Of course you can unqueue the jobs with something like:
>
> perl -e 'print "$_\n" for 24..29' | xargs lprm
>
> to remove jobs 24-29.
>
> Anyways, I am just wondering if anyone else can reproduce this,
> and would this be considered a bug? I am using Slackware 7.1, and
> xterm -version yields:
>
> XFree86 3.3.3.1b(88b)
xterm is a VT102 and Tektronix 4014 terminal emulator program. IIRC,
the VT102 could have an attached printer that would print the contents
of the screen when a specific escape sequence was sent to it. I bet
that the Tektronix 4014 terminal had similar features.
Now, since xterm has to emulate these terminals, it has to emulate the
action of a "print screen" control sequence, and I'd bet that it does
so by invoking lpr to print the screen. When you 'cat' a binary file
to an xterm, you are sending pseudo-random binary values to the xterm
program input, and there is a reasonable probability that this stream
will include one or more print screen control sequences, resulting in
a number of lpr jobs spooled.
In other words, xterm is working as designed, and you are misuseing
it. Think of this as the complaint "When I try to light my barbecue
with an oxy-acetelyne torch, I melt the grill."
--
Lew Pitcher
Master Codewright and JOAT-in-training
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From: Lew Pitcher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: FTP message Question
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 19:13:21 -0400
Default User wrote:
>
> Hi.
>
> Using slackware 7.1.
>
> I'm interested in changing the "password" message that appears when logging
> in as user "ftp" (anonymous)
> it says, "Guest login ok, send your complete e-mail address as password."
>
> I have grepped and searched for this for a while and have been unsuccessful
> in finding it.
Look in /etc/ftpaccess, and change the passwd-check option
man ftpaccess reports (excerpted):
passwd-check <none|trivial|rfc822> (<enforce|warn>)
Define the level and enforcement of password checking
done by the server for anonymous ftp.
none no password checking performed.
trivial password must contain an '@'.
rfc822 password must be an rfc822 compliant
address.
warn warn the user, but allow them to log in.
enforce warn the user, and then log them out.
Apparently, you want the
passwd-check none
setting.
--
Lew Pitcher
Master Codewright and JOAT-in-training
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Open source Driver for Yamaha XG-SD
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 06:37:53 GMT
hi,
i'm searching for a driver for my yamaha XG-SD sound card. i know
there is a sharware driver available, but is there any open source
driver available for this sound card? no matter even if it's a beta.
thank you.
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
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