Linux-Misc Digest #559, Volume #25 Fri, 25 Aug 00 14:13:02 EDT
Contents:
do I have to reboot to change network settings (Peter Bismuti)
Backup Software ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
kde or gnome startup? ("Kirk R. Wythers")
Re: NEWBIE-Shell scripting - When to use script variable vs. create tmp file???
(Phil)
Re: Linux, XML, and assalting Windows
Re: glibc - rpm -> src (Ryan Tarpine)
Re: Backup Software (Jean-David Beyer-valinux)
Re: kde or gnome startup? (Jean-David Beyer-valinux)
red hat linux svc error ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Mister Linux (Kyle Parfrey)
Deleting a linux partition from a Windows system ("higgy")
Maybe OT: RealPlayer vs. Windows Media cost for broadcaster? (Brian Moore)
X11 and XFree lib docs (Nshan)
Re: tar and time_t (John Wingate)
Re: Isp and Realplayer
splitting files compatible to linux and winnt (Christian Verbeek)
rpc.bootparams (Joseph Cooley)
gnome X file diff prog? (Hammer)
Re: Not able to add new partitions for Rh6.1 install (Jonathan)
Re: Linux, XML, and assalting Windows ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: FYI: Applix vs. StarOffice vs. WP8 vs. Corel Office for Linux.... (D G)
I need help right now! ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Linux, XML, and assalting Windows (The Ghost In The Machine)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Peter Bismuti)
Subject: do I have to reboot to change network settings
Date: 25 Aug 2000 16:06:35 GMT
Right now I boot my machine, run netconf, and then reboot, is there a faster way?
I tried booting into single user, running netconf, and then running init 3, but this
does not work.
Thx
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Backup Software
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 16:10:29 GMT
Some customers asks for commercial backup software with a GUI of some
sort. I know that Computer Associates have released ArcServe-IT for
Linux which also handles autoloaders.What I understand "tar" can't
handle the loader mechanism and some customers (those who are used with
windoze) asks for a GUI-based backup-tool.
KDat is based on "tar" and suffer from the same problem of not being
able to handle the loader mechanism.
Or am I dead wrong here.
Anyway, any suggestions on which software and if possble why just that
software package.
/Fredrik
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From: "Kirk R. Wythers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: kde or gnome startup?
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 11:28:05 -0500
can someone remind me how to switch your machine's startup, back and
forth between kde and gnome? I start up to gnome right now and I'd like
to try out kde
Thanks,
Kirk
--
Kirk R. Wythers University of Minnesota
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Department of Forest Resources
Tel: 612.625.22611530 Cleveland Ave. N.
Fax: 612 625.5212 Saint Paul, MN 55108
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Phil)
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.aix,comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.shell
Subject: Re: NEWBIE-Shell scripting - When to use script variable vs. create tmp
file???
Date: 25 Aug 2000 17:29:43 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
John Hasler -[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]- spewed forth the following rubbish:
>Grant Edwards writes:
>> First make it work. Then make if faster
>
>And more secure. Shellscripts that use tempfiles can create security
>holes.
They can be used properly if permissions are set properly on relevant
directories and files.
Phil.
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.text.xml,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux, XML, and assalting Windows
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 09:08:14 -0700
Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Joseph T. Adams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:8o5knh$t53$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> : How portable would this version of it be?
>
> : <?xml version="1.0" encoding="iso-8859-1" ?>
> : <!DOCTYPE RST "http://localhost/fubar.dtd>
> : <RST>
> : <R ID="0" >
> : <F0>A</F0>
> : <F1>q20e3</F1>
> : <F2>e</F2>
> : <F3>lsm2</F3>
> : <F4>928l</F4>
> : <F5>pqke</F5>
> : <F6>2ksnfui</F6>
> : <F7>mpqw395hg</F6>
> : <F7>2</F7>
> : <F8>5</F8>
> : </R>
> : </RST>
>
> Equally, if it is valid (i.e., has a DTD, and conforms to it).
>
> But it does tremendously violate the *spirit* of XML. XML is supposed
> to be human-readable.
>
> And you do get portability advantages even if you don't fully
> understand the data. The structure and data are represented together.
> If you can reverse-engineer (determine the meaning of) all the tags
> except F2 and F6, then you can make confident use of these, even if in
> the next version of the format, they add a couple more fields (element
> types) and take away one or two of the ones you do understand.
>
> In a binary format, you'd always be at risk of problems due to
> variable field length. That can't happen with XML.
If a developer wanted the braging right of using XML for their data file
format but they still wanted to lock user in to using just their programs to
handle those files they could come up with something this bad. Consider
that the data in the fields are not just encoded but also ecrypted as my
example was offered to illustrate. Consider that the key or keys and the
encryption algorithm are not made public. Consider that with each release
of the software it can read the files created with all prior versions, and
each release uses a different key and maybe a slightly modified algorithm
for the encrytion to write their files. Consider that the contents of the
DTD could be no more portable than the data files. Consider that the first
two lines of these files could be for form only so that they can claim that
the data file format is in XML and that the URL is useless. Did you notice
the address of the URL in the DOCTYPE line?
Do you think that violating the spirit of XML would bother anyone who wanted
to claim that their programs use XML for their data files but still want to
lock the files into their programs. An ASCII based file format standard is
not the panacea of portability that you seem to assume that it is. There
have been many other ASCII based portable file formats and do you know who
many were servicable have not been abused and misused enough by enough
developers to prevent them from being in reality the univeral file formats
that were envisioned for them? Not one! Everyone of them have been
distorted and misused enough that generated non-portable portable files.
XML won't be any different.
Binary file formats are not any less portable than ASCII file formats so
long as the formats are documented and no attempt to encrypt them is made by
the developers. ASCII file formats are not any more portable thas binary
file format so long as the formats are not documented or he developers have
used encoding amd/or encryption, even if they don't admit to it.
Are you familiar with the PFA format of Postscipt Type-1 fonts? They are in
ASCII alone but the bulk of the files are encoded and encrypted and were
private to Abode until Bitstream learn how to decrypt and decode the
contents.
Every few years all old ideas the seemed to once be good are rediscovered
all over again they are renamed and reimplemented and they become the craze,
then they fail for the same old reasons as they did before. What I can not
understand is why so many people can't seems to remember what happened just
a few years before and keep gettin suckered in with the same promises, under
a new name, over and over again.
For it is the doom of men that they forget--Merlin in Excaliber.
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From: Ryan Tarpine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: glibc - rpm -> src
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 07:14:23 -0400
Garry Knight wrote:
> Ryan Tarpine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >Caldera somehow left libcrypt out of glibc for OL 2.2. How can I
> >upgrade using the source? I tried making the source, running rpm -e
> >glibc, and then make install, but without glibc, make itself wouldn't
> >even run! Should I just install the source-compiled glibc over the
> >existing rpm version? If yes, should I install it in /usr or
> >/usr/local?
>
> libcrypt is a library. It belongs in /usr/lib.
>
> --
> Garry Knight
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I'm trying to upgrade glibc with the crypt _function_ (sorry for the
confusion). I am making glibc from the source and was wondering if I had
to uninstall the glibc rpms first. I was also unsure if I should install
glibc in /usr or /usr/local, but I'm going to put it in /usr now that I
saw that's where the rpms' files are
Ryan
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From: Jean-David Beyer-valinux <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Backup Software
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 12:48:58 -0400
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Some customers asks for commercial backup software with a GUI of some
> sort. I know that Computer Associates have released ArcServe-IT for
> Linux which also handles autoloaders.What I understand "tar" can't
> handle the loader mechanism and some customers (those who are used with
> windoze) asks for a GUI-based backup-tool.
> KDat is based on "tar" and suffer from the same problem of not being
> able to handle the loader mechanism.
> Or am I dead wrong here.
> Anyway, any suggestions on which software and if possble why just that
> software package.
>
> /Fredrik
>
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> Before you buy.
I use BRU, and it comes with a GUI, thought I do not use it. It says it
will run Autoloaders. You might try to get their user's manual, or talk to
them about it. http://www.estinc.com/
--
Jean-David Beyer .~.
Shrewsbury, New Jersey /V\
Registered Linux User 85642. /( )\
Registered Machine 73926. ^^-^^
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From: Jean-David Beyer-valinux <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: kde or gnome startup?
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 12:50:25 -0400
"Kirk R. Wythers" wrote:
> can someone remind me how to switch your machine's startup, back and
> forth between kde and gnome? I start up to gnome right now and I'd like
> to try out kde
>
> Thanks,
>
> Kirk
>
> --
> Kirk R. Wythers University of Minnesota
> Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Department of Forest Resources
> Tel: 612.625.22611530 Cleveland Ave. N.
> Fax: 612 625.5212 Saint Paul, MN 55108
Press the Foot. Select System->Desktop Switcher to go from GNOME to KDE. It is
similar the other way.
--
Jean-David Beyer .~.
Shrewsbury, New Jersey /V\
Registered Linux User 85642. /( )\
Registered Machine 73926. ^^-^^
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: red hat linux svc error
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 16:52:46 GMT
We're running 2.2.16-3 and 2.2.16-3 RedHat 6.2. I experienced this
under 6.1 and with the 2.2.14 kernel.
We are receiving the error:
svc: basd direction -385679360, dropping request
Any ideas what this error means and how to eliminate it.
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From: Kyle Parfrey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Mister Linux
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 17:02:32 GMT
fritz wrote:
> I`m happy to be part of this wonderful discussion but more
> of I like weather topics
>
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From: "higgy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Deleting a linux partition from a Windows system
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 11:52:46 +0100
Sorry, I know it's probably blasphemy here, but I really need help.
The problem is whilst installing SuSE Linux 6.4, I discovered that X does
not currently seem to be compatible with Rage 128 Pro cards (not my Rage
Fury Pro at any rate). After reading SuSEs support database, I tried
downloading a couple of Rage 128 servers, but nothing worked. Now I'm
running low on HD space in Windows, so I'd like to reclaim my (currently
useless) SuSE partition for Windows use.
Unfortunately, msdos fdisk won't delete it. It tells me that it can't delete
the EXT partition because it contains logical devices. Then, when I select
the option to delete the logical devices, it tells me there aren't any. Bit
of a catch 22.
Can anyone offer me any advice as to how to proceed?
Dave.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Brian Moore)
Subject: Maybe OT: RealPlayer vs. Windows Media cost for broadcaster?
Date: 25 Aug 2000 13:20:37 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Our local classical/PBS radio station is now broadcasting on the net.
I was interested in this because I now have an office in the interior
of a building and can't get regular radio reception.
Anyhow, they broadcast only for Windows Media player, not RealPlayer/G2.
As a Linux user, obviously I can only listen if it is RealAudio format.
When I asked, I got the anwser that the software to broadcast for
Windows was free but the RealAudio software was around $2000.
Is this true? I find it hard to believe that RealAudio would put
themselves at such a competitive disadvantage. I wonder if they
were comparing apples & oranges (i.e. something like you have to
pay for the fully featured product but there is also a similar
product which is less or free).
--
Brian G. Moore, School of Science, Penn State Erie--The Behrend College
[EMAIL PROTECTED] , (814)-898-6334
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From: Nshan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: X11 and XFree lib docs
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 10:04:47 -0700
Where can I find full documentation of X11R6 and XFree86
API (for C, not for C++ or smthing else)?
Thank you!
Nshan
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From: John Wingate <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: tar and time_t
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 17:17:24 GMT
Elliot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi all,
> I have just finished a very big tar job (25 GB onto DDS4 tape). Although
> it seems to have worked, I got a large (100+) number of messages of the
> following sort:
> tar: Octal value `774671576202' is out of range for time_t
tar stores the number of seconds since the unix epoch as an 11-digit
unsigned octal value (33 bits), allowing for dates from 1970 to 2242.
With a 32-bit time_t it is possible for tar's date to be out of range,
but unlikely in an archive created from files with reasonable dates.
(Some versions of tar will treat the date as signed. Modifying the
date (and checksum) in a tar file and seeing how tar on various platforms
displays it can be amusing.)
> I would be grateful for an explanation of all of this - should I be
> worried?
Your error message has a 12-digit octal number corresponding to a
date in the year 4134. Perhaps you should be worried.
--
John Wingate We pay people for the goods they produce,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] but do not make them pay for the bads.
--Kenneth Boulding
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Isp and Realplayer
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 17:29:20 GMT
Do you know the name of a specific isp mabey thats free.
Well thanxs
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From: Christian Verbeek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: splitting files compatible to linux and winnt
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 02:37:41 GMT
dear newsgroup,
i am doing my everyday backup on my laptop running winnt4 using gnu-tar.=
=20
the file is about 200megs big, so it does not fit on my zip-disks. i am =
looking for a way to split up the tar file to fit on multiple zip-disks =
and being able to merge the splitted files on my linux-computer.
i know that arj does splitting, but this is for ms-dos only as far as i =
know. is there a tool available both for linux and winnt? mybe something=
=20
from this cygwin stuff?
thanx, c.
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From: Joseph Cooley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux
Subject: rpc.bootparams
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 09:40:00 -0400
Hello,
Does anyone know where an bootparamd (rpc.bootparams) project may be
taking place. I am trying to run Solaris diskless clients off of a
Redhat Linux box and the bootparams server that is supposed to support
Solaris does not fully support it. I would like to use Linux as the
OS server, but cannot if I cannot find a version of bootparamd that is
fully supports Solaris clients.
Thanks in advance,
Joe
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From: Hammer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: gnome X file diff prog?
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 17:29:00 GMT
Ok, I'll give you something to laugh about :)... I am an ex-Win32
developer turned Linux newbie... gettin' just about good enough to be
dangerous now :)
I need a graphical file diff prog, for source diffs. I use gnome. I'm
real used to Windiff, from the Win32 SDK if you've seen it... anybody
know of anything out there like that??
I would use rpmfind or something to locate one, but I'm behind a socks
proxy for the moment, and it ain't socksified.
Thanks. Is this question OT to this forum? If so, sorry.
-=hammer
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From: Jonathan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Not able to add new partitions for Rh6.1 install
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 17:34:04 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On Mon, 21 Aug 2000 22:17:42 -0400, mike <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >Hi,
> > I recently added a second drive to a Dell Dimension XPS R400.
> >It now has: 1. 10GB IBM Primary Master with Win98
> > 2. 15GB IBM Primary Slave. with 9648Mb FAT32.
> > Drive 2 has 4997Mb unallocated space.
> >
> > I want to use 3000mb for Redhat 6.1. I started the 6.1 cd by
setting
> >the
> >bios to boot on the cd. The Redhat install came up and I chose custom
> >installation. I have tried to add partitions using the add button
but,
> >it keeps rejecting the partitions that I want to add. I tried to add
> >a 16mb /boot partition and it said too big. It did allow me to add
> >a 256mb <swap> partition, but I can't add other partitions. What ever
> >I try to add, it says "partition too big". I was initially planning
to
> >use
> >a boot floppy so I assume that the 1024 cylinder limit wouldn't come
> >into play under those conditions. I believe that the program in the
> >install
> >that does the partitioning is Disk Druid. Could it be that there is a
> >bug
> >in it? I am at a loss at what to do at this point.
>
> I don't use RH, but I assume that Disk Druid is just trying to keep
you out
> of trouble by ensuring that the entire boot partition is within the
1024 cyl
> limit.
> Does RH installer give you the option to use fdisk? If not,
you can
> pre-allocate the partition (with a linux floppy, or Partition Magic,
or
> something similar) and maybe RH will accept it.
>
> -jeff
RH does allow you to use fdisk, but I like your second suggestion
better. Using a third party partitioning utility and setting the mount
points with disk druid is usually my method of choice.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.text.xml,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux, XML, and assalting Windows
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 19:15:21 +0200
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Consider
> that the data in the fields are not just encoded but also ecrypted as my
> example was offered to illustrate.
I still have cryptographie on the roadmap of my XML::Edifact module.
#------------------------------------------------------------------------------#
Alf O. Watt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> proposed a simple solution using
namespaces and processing instructions to the perlxml mailing list in
December 1998. The beauty of this aproach is that the secure document
is still well-formed and valid, and of the same document type. It could
even be translated back to UN/EDIFACT to obtain a message with encrypted
segments.
#------------------------------------------------------------------------------#
I think that cryptographie on document level is extremly important,
as the documents may contain confidental data.
> Did you notice the address of the URL in the DOCTYPE line?
>> : <!DOCTYPE RST "http://localhost/fubar.dtd>
what about <!DOCTYPE RST "http://www.webcam.de/fubar.dtd> this would not
only mean the same (www.webcam.de is 127.0.0.1 ;-) but offers the possibility
to change in future versions.
Bye Michael
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From: D G <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: FYI: Applix vs. StarOffice vs. WP8 vs. Corel Office for Linux....
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 10:45:23 -0700
Grant Edwards wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Josh Rovero wrote:
>
> >> I bought WP8 for Linux (Corel's) at a local Sam's club. I bought Sun's
> >> CD-ROM disk for $10 with StarOffice 5.1 on it (it has versions of SO for
> >> Win98 [and I have one copy installed as a Win98 ap], Linux, Solaris, and
> >> OS/2, by the way), and just this weekend, I decided to spring for Applix
> >> 5.0 (an office suite for Linux) at Best Buy (must have been on sale, the
> >> cash register rang it up for $62) to see how well it ran.
> >
> >I spent a fair amount of time comparing Applix and Star Office.
> >Applix works better IN MY CASE. Can run it remotely from
> >other X displays, handles the interchange with MxxxxSxxx
> >formats I need, can spawn as many copies of Word or
> >Spreadsheet as I need, all in separate windows. It does
> >not take over the desktop like Star Office.
>
> My observations exactly. SO is way too big and slow compared to either WP
> or Applix. And the way it thinks it needs to take over and show that damned
> desktop is really annoying.
It's understandle that it would be bigger than WP8, which is simply a
word processor. How about Corel Office? Anyone tried that. That
seemes like more of a fair comparison, since it has spreadsheet, word
processor, presentations, etc. like the other two.
--
DG
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: I need help right now!
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 17:48:12 GMT
I am looking to delete windows off my computer build I still need
access to something like quickbooks.
if anyone know of anything please email me back right now.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
thanks
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.text.xml,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux, XML, and assalting Windows
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 18:03:50 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, mlw
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote
on Thu, 24 Aug 2000 07:13:58 -0400
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>paul snow wrote:
>[snip]
>>
>> XML can be used to define a program in abstract. A single, separate
>> Software Rendering Facility can be used to take a program's abstract form in
>> XML and render it to the target computer system.
>>
>> XML can be used to capture the options required for this rendering.
>>
>> XML can be used to refer to a group of programs in abstract (XML), and their
>> options (XML), in order to define a single definition that can be expressed
>> in different ways on different computer systems to construct an operational,
>> distributed application. (Unlike today, where we have to install every web
>> server, every firewall, every Java JDK, every etc. all from scratch, with
>> one mistake preventing any of it from working!)
>>
>> This discussion about how XML might be used along with Linux to create a new
>> concept in Operating Systems is beginning. We have the technology and the
>> know how. We just have to take our computer system, set it on its side and
>> view it a bit differently. This technology is going to completely change
>> the rules of software configuration, management, and security, and you can
>> make it happen.
>
>This who XML hysteria worries me. We have people thinking that it is
>something other than a very inefficient text based file format. Example:
>
><?xml version="1.0" encoding="iso-8859-1" ?>
><!DOCTYPE RESULTSET SYSTEM "http://fubar.com/fubar.dtd">
><RESULTSET>
> <RESULT ID="0" >
> <MATCHES>0</MATCHES>
> <TIME>0.1605</TIME>
> <RATINGS>0</RATINGS>
> <MAXSCORE>2510</MAXSCORE>
> <SCORE>6947</SCORE>
> <SIZE>6536</SIZE>
> <LANGUAGE>_LANG1_</LANGUAGE>
> <DATE>957148708</DATE>
> <FORMAT>0</FORMAT>
> <MODDATE>0</MODDATE>
> </RESULT>
></RESULTSET>
>
>That's all that XML is, nothing more. It can not replace programs, it is
>not a new concept in operating systems.
It might replace programs (programs are interpreted data in their
own right, after all -- to the right interpreter, such as an x86
micro, a JVM, or even a BASIC environment), but it sure looks
hard to manage, although not too hard to generate.
But why can't we use a schema/data approach? Something like:
first 8 bytes - magic signature number, just because
byte - endianity
byte - user-defined version ID
2 bytes - number of fields
field descriptor byte: 0=short, 1=long, 2=float, 3=double,
4=zero-terminated string
field name: zero-terminated string
field descriptor byte:
field name:
...
(The floats would be in IEEE format, which is the one 680x0 and
80x86 micros use -- and possibly a large number of other computer
systems.)
Surely somebody out there's thought of a standard for this.
Or one can use a chunky format, something a la Amiga's IFF,
where data is in chunks, understood by each program. Chunks
could even have DTD-like structures if necessary.
But nooooooo....we get to clutter up what is essentially a
data-centric stream with a lot of framing clutter. Unless
I'm missing something in the DTD spec which allows for the
specification in binary of all of this data...?
>
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