Linux-Misc Digest #685, Volume #25                Wed, 6 Sep 00 21:13:02 EDT

Contents:
  Re: how to mount a drive during start-up? ("Peter T. Breuer")
  Re: fstab question (Garry Knight)
  Re: Proper use of .plan file? (Dave Skolnick)
  Re: Newbie chmod question... (David Rysdam)
  Re: digital filtering c code (Dave Skolnick)
  Re: opengl on sgi linux machines? ("Peter T. Breuer")
  kernel 2.4.0-test7 module error ("Darren Welson")
  Restricting Users (Dave Barcelo)
  Re: ~user  www directories needed ("Ed")
  Re: fstab question (alex k)
  Re: Newbie chmod question... ("Peter T. Breuer")
  Re: Restricting Users ("Peter T. Breuer")
  Re: what's up with Sun? ("Raz A Mattazz")
  Re: ZIP 100 Plus and ZIP ZOOM SCSI (aha152x.o) ("Ed")
  Re: kernel 2.4.0-test7 module error ("The infamous \"Brian\"")
  Re: kernel 2.4.0-test7 module error (Silviu-Alin Bacanu)
  Restricting Users (Dave Barcelo)
  Re: AOL client for linux ("Matt O'Toole")
  Re: tar to tape >2GB (Christopher Browne)
  Re: Problems compiling kernel (D.Kreft)
  Re: what's up with Sun? (David C.)
  Re: what's up with Sun? ("Peter T. Breuer")
  Re: how to mount a drive during start-up? (Hammer)
  Loopback Device Creation (Jim Bell)
  Brother HL-1030 Printer Driver?? ("D. Abuan")

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From: "Peter T. Breuer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: how to mount a drive during start-up?
Date: 6 Sep 2000 23:11:44 GMT

Hammer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: In article <8p6c4c$pd8$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
:   "Peter T. Breuer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
:> Hammer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
:> : In article <8p68mq$cb5$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,

: Peter, why the hostile attitude man.  I'm learning, you are smarter than

It's not hostile to you.  It's just that you're assuming the rest of the
technically educated universe is wrong and you're right.  I'm hostile to
that attitude!  (though sympathetic to the attiude that if everyone in
the country  believes something technical to be true, it's certainly
wrong: the unwashed masses votes always go for the average belief, not
the correct one). 

: me... that make you feel better??

No .. I honestly don't know and don't care. I don't have some kind of
inferiority complex - tho' I'll happily argue with you about anything.

:> : So, I just tried this, and set a vfat partition to umask=000 0 0
: (then rebooted, of course)
:> Not neceessary! Why did you?
: Inexperience.  Shoot me.

Mmm ... it's a thought. But we can't mention gunz.

:> : Then, as my regular user, I copied a bunch of rpm's from my ext2
:>filesys to a dir on the vfat partition.
: [snip]
:> Well, that's what you'd expect. Root owns the FS and there are no user
:> fields on msdos file systems, so the system has to interpret the owner
:> as being root.

: I did not expect that... a consequence of my linux-newbiness.  Please
: forgive me.

!! Well, you have plenty of experience of msdos systems, and I am sure
you never saw an owner or group field in any of them. You're not at
all surprised by an msdos file system lacking those attributes.  You are
surprised by your own new realization of that.  You also have to think
about its consequences ...

:> : file using my regular ID to that dir, I get this stupid error message
:> : that chmod is not permissable on the file (this is after the copy is
:>
:> It isn't. There are no mode fields on msdos file systems. How can you
:> change them!

: I did not know this.  I am now edified, thanks to you.

Well, I know what you mean. You did know it, but were not aware that
you knew it. Uncodified (unsymbolized) knowledge is just data,
not knowledge.

:> Why are you finding this funny? Do you always laugh when you ask a
:> camaraman to take a black and white photo of a red room, and think it
:> strange when the result is bkack and white, not red, even though he warned
:> you that he couldn't make the colours come out as in the original?

: You oversimplify... but point taken.  The humor in it for me is to
: deflect my frustration... why you take it in such a hostile manner is

Mmmm ... well, ascii doesn't convey tone well. Also bear in mind that
it takes me longer to reply to this than it takes you to read the
reply, so the rates at which we are giving and taking info are
different, and therefore our evaluation of the others "tone" will
differ in fundamental ways from the true or intended tonality.

: beyond my comprehension.

If it were a truly hostile manner, I'd have come over and shot you.
I didn't, so you know that the manner is only an appearance. It's a
product of my writing and your interpretation, but it doesn't reflect
reality in an easily identifiable way. It's not a threat posture: you
are not in danger.

: "Of course" to a god like you :)  Not to me... but now I have learned.

:> : I would be laughing hard enough to bring tears, this OS is so funny
:> : sometimes, but really I need to get his working, so I'm not laughing
: :(
:>
:> What's funny? Your own stupidity?

: In fact, yes.  But thanks for your compassion Peter.

Sorry for the insult. You are plainly not stupid. After an accumulation 
of listings of natural consequences of facts (you could have deduced the
facts from the responses you saw) insinuated as being irrational
misprogrammings, I boiled over.

In retrospect, I should have noticed the very accurate reporting and
realized that an good observer is correcting inbuilt biases
about what he is observing.  That takes awareness and intelligence.

: For anyone else out there besides Peter, how can I handle this problem
: of the chmod failing (quite rightly, I understand now).  For instance,
: with "gmc" file mgr, it refuses to copy the file because of the chmod

In this case, the correct approach is to report it to the author as a
bug. It should be a warning that results, not a fail.

: issue, which (understandably) fails.   If I "cp" it in a shell, it works
: fine despite the error.  Just ignore it??  Thanks.

mc (midnight commander original) also happily tolerates the situation.
It's a bug introduced during the addition of a g to the prograsm name.

Peter

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From: Garry Knight <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: fstab question
Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 23:55:24 +0100

f vassalli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I'd like to mount a CD-ROM Image at boot time, but I dont know the
>syntax for the fstab for loop devices.
>
>Once booted, I can mount the image with the following command; what is
>the fstab-equivalent?
>
>mount -t iso9660 -o ro,loop=/dev/loop0 cdimage.img /cdrom

Couldn't you find this out by mounting the loop device, then doing:
  cat /etc/mtab

-- 
Garry Knight
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


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From: Dave Skolnick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Proper use of .plan file?
Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 23:17:50 GMT

Chris,

Thanks for the answer. I have played with finger (and read the man page) and
understand. I can see where it might continue to be useful in an office even if
you don't let finger in through the firewall.

Regards, Dave


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David Rysdam)
Subject: Re: Newbie chmod question...
Date: 6 Sep 2000 22:20:13 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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Test this, I'm typing from memory:

find /path -type d -exec chmod 755

And Jeffrey Hood Spoke:
>Is there a way to chmod -R 755 ./dir and only chmod the dirs, not the 
>individual files ???
>
>Thanks,
>
>JH
>-- 
>
>Jeffrey Hood
>Senior Analyst
>Norsoft, Inc.
>jhood [you-know-why] @epix.net


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From: Dave Skolnick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: digital filtering c code
Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 23:28:07 GMT

Look at Numerical recipes in C at
http://www1.fatbrain.com/asp/bookinfo/bookinfo.asp?theisbn=0521431085

Gerald Pollack wrote:

> Can someone point me to a source for free c code that implements digital
> filters?
>
> Thanks,
>
> --
> G. Pollack Dept. of Biology, McGill Univ.


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From: "Peter T. Breuer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.sgi.admin
Subject: Re: opengl on sgi linux machines?
Date: 6 Sep 2000 23:16:33 GMT

In comp.os.linux.misc Thor Lancelot Simon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: stuff" :-).  However, clock rates on current IA32 processors have been
: running at about two to three times those of current MIPS processors for
: quite some time -- a rather depressing symmetry.  Essentially, the inability
: of the people fabbing the MIPS designs to get the clock rate up has almost
: (or completely, depending what code you run) managed to compensate for the
: horrific instruction set that the IA32 crowd are stuck with.

Yerrs. What's the problem on this? Surely a MIPS design should have far
less gates in, so should need shorter traces, so should be able to run
a faster clock. Don't they have access to the right fabrication plants?

Peter

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From: "Darren Welson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: kernel 2.4.0-test7 module error
Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 16:16:37 -0700

I recompiled the 2.4.0-test7 kernel for Intel architecture on a RedHat 6.2
system, and when I did a 'make modules' I got an error telling me it could
not find a module for a SCSI device AIC7XXX or something like that.  Am I
missing something, or is there a module I need to specify?  Anyone else run
into this problem?  What am I doing wrong?






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From: Dave Barcelo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Restricting Users
Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 18:35:06 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]


    Is there any way to keep users from running daemons?


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From: "Ed" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: ~user  www directories needed
Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 23:37:57 GMT

In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (William W.) wrote:
> In our last episode (06 Sep 2000 15:46:52 GMT), the artist formerly
> known as LFessen106 said:

Cute!  How did you do the above?  Did you manually change the standard
text (i.e., "In article") or is there a way of changing the default text
in your (or any other) news client?  Please pardon my ignorance if this is
an obvious.  Thanks!

-Ed


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From: alex k <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: fstab question
Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 23:26:36 GMT

weird, i just looked in my fstab (slack7.1)
but there is no cdrom-entry.
yet, the cdrom is accessible at /cdrom,
as verified by my mtab:
/dev/hdb /cdrom iso9660 ro 0 0

what am i not getting?


In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I'd like to mount a CD-ROM Image at boot time, but I dont know the
> syntax for the fstab for loop devices.
>
> Once booted, I can mount the image with the following command; what is
> the fstab-equivalent?
>
> mount -t iso9660 -o ro,loop=/dev/loop0 cdimage.img /cdrom
>
> Thanks
>

--
. 
. 
...: [ ~~~~~~~ ] :...


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From: "Peter T. Breuer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Newbie chmod question...
Date: 6 Sep 2000 23:39:36 GMT

David Rysdam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: And Jeffrey Hood Spoke:
:>Is there a way to chmod -R 755 ./dir and only chmod the dirs, not the 
:>individual files ???
: Test this, I'm typing from memory:

: find /path -type d -exec chmod 755

  find /path -type d -exec chmod 755 \;

and other variants ..

Peter

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From: "Peter T. Breuer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Restricting Users
Date: 6 Sep 2000 23:44:11 GMT

Dave Barcelo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

:     Is there any way to keep users from running daemons?

No (if by a daemon, you mean a program that forks and returns while
the child detaches from the terminal).

Yes (if by a daemon, you mean things like sendmail and so on). Don't
give them execute permission on your copy. Doesn't stop them compiling
their own copy, though.

There's no way of killing a program that tries to access a network
socket (actually, there is, but you don't want to know). Or nobody
would be able to run telnet. What you might want to do is firewall
off all ports except official ones. 

Peter

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From: "Raz A Mattazz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: what's up with Sun?
Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 23:10:24 +0200


"Fred Nastos" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:8p5giq$m1q$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...


: How much slower are IDE drives really? Are you comparing them
to SCSI?


Not slower at all. IDE (ATAPI) and SCSI drives are the same
mechanically, with different controller electronics. Most (all?)
manufacturers of harddrives have the (mechanically) same
harddisk in an ATAPI version and in a SCSI version. Such "twins"
perform equally. Only in big server RAID systems is SCSI
superior to IDE. Even advanced home users have no other reason
to buy SCSI but for the sake of attaching up to 15 units and
thus saving IRQs on their PCs.

Another point may be if you want to be able to move your
harddisks between the PC, Sun, MacIntosh etc. Then SCSI is to
prefer. Otherwise, for home and small business use, there's
really no need or advantage in using SCSI. Expensive controllers
and more hard to find and expensive harddisks, for what? A
queved command advantage that you have no noticable use for in
any "normal" computer use.

SCSI is grossly overhyped.



Raz (SCSI user...)




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From: "Ed" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: ZIP 100 Plus and ZIP ZOOM SCSI (aha152x.o)
Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 23:46:35 GMT

In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, softrat` <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> 
> Well, I had the problem, but it was because I was coding the wrong
> interrupt into the
> /etc/conf.modules file. Once I got everything correct, my ZIP ZOOM
> worked. (I am now using a more sophisticated SCSI card.)
> 

softrat'... 
Could you elaborate?  Pardon my ignorance, but I'm wondering
what you did to your /etc/conf. modules file to correct the problem.  All
of the documentation I've been able to get my hands on reference making
changes top the lilo.conf and fstab files.  Thanks!  At least now I see
light at the end of the tunnel!

-Ed


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From: "The infamous \"Brian\"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: kernel 2.4.0-test7 module error
Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 23:48:24 GMT

Hi Darren:

Darren Welson wrote in message <8p6j94$are$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>I recompiled the 2.4.0-test7 kernel for Intel architecture on a
>RedHat 6.2 system, and when I did a 'make modules' I got an error
>telling me it could not find a module for a SCSI device AIC7XXX
>or something like that.  Am I missing something, or is there a
>module I need to specify?  Anyone else run into this problem?
>What am I doing wrong?


I had a terrible time getting test7 to compile a useable kernel until I did
a "make clean".

Try this;

make dep
make clean
(very important with test7)
make bzlilo
(or whatever - perhaps "make bzdisk" for a test floppy)
make modules
make modules_install

Best regards,

Brian



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From: Silviu-Alin Bacanu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: kernel 2.4.0-test7 module error
Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 19:50:39 -0400



Darren Welson wrote:

> I recompiled the 2.4.0-test7 kernel for Intel architecture on a RedHat 6.2
> system, and when I did a 'make modules' I got an error telling me it could
> not find a module for a SCSI device AIC7XXX or something like that.  Am I
> missing something, or is there a module I need to specify?  Anyone else run
> into this problem?  What am I doing wrong?

I guess you have to specify it in menuconfig-> SCSI configuration ->lower level
SCSI devices subconfiguration
I couldn't boot because of it.



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From: Dave Barcelo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Restricting Users
Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 18:56:35 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Is there any way to keep users from running there own daemons?


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Reply-To: "Matt O'Toole" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
From: "Matt O'Toole" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: AOL client for linux
Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 16:43:52 -0700


"D'Arque Bishop" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:bJyt5.35028$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...

> JCA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> >     I assume you are talking about the AOL Instant Messaging client. I
> > downloaded it a couple of days ago and it works okay. Just go to the
> > AOL web site and look for instant messaging.

> I believe he's referring to Gamera, the alpha AOL client for Linux.  It's
> not an AIM client, it's a client for the actual AOL service.  I'm not sure
> where you could find it, either, but I DID come across somewhere that DID
> talk about it, and one of the big problems with it right now is that it
> only supports connecting to AOL over TCP/IP, and not via modem. :p

> That's the main problem that's preventing me from using it at this point,
> actually... not the fact that AOL is clamping down on it, but that it's
> absolutely useless for my needs.  I imagine some of the people want an
> AOL client for the same reason I do: I have a dialup AOL account as a
> backup to my cable modem (actually, it's someone else's account... she's
> just gracious enough to give me a screen name to use), and I'd like
> to be able to use it when away from home.  It IS a national ISP, after
all.
> Oh, well... guess I'll just stick to locating a free ISP... :)

You'd be surprised at who uses AOL, often for the reasons just stated.
Also, since it is so mass-market, it's sometimes necessary to be able to
work with clients who use it.  I doubt the typical Linux user has much in
common with the typical AOL user, but there are probably still jillions of
potential AOL/Linux users out there.

Also, I wonder how long AOL will stay with Internet Explorer as the basis
for its browser.  I wonder if they're working toward using Mozilla/Netscape
(hey, they own Netscape).

Matt O.




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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher Browne)
Subject: Re: tar to tape >2GB
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 00:01:37 GMT

Centuries ago, Nostradamus foresaw a time when Crni Gorac would say:
>Is it possible to use tar to backup files on tapes with capacity
>2GB.  If yes, what would be the command?

GNU tar will do the job quite nicely, on those platforms on which it
is compiled either with native "64 bit" file support, or with the LFS
option.
-- 
(concatenate 'string "cbbrowne" "@" "hex.net")
<http://www.ntlug.org/~cbbrowne/linuxkernel.html>
"Motto for a research laboratory: What we work on today, others will
first think of tomorrow." -- Alan Perlis

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From: D.Kreft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Problems compiling kernel
Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 23:57:40 GMT

In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,

> No, Documentation/kbuild/commands.txt says:

*D'oh!*

Thanks for the correction, Paul. Funny thing is that I just got out of a
HP class on linux security and the instructor was also misinformed about
what "bzImage" really means.

Sorry for propogating misinformation!

-dan



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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David C.)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: what's up with Sun?
Date: 06 Sep 2000 20:10:53 -0400

"Raz A Mattazz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> Only in big server RAID systems is SCSI superior to IDE.

You see an advantage any time you access multiple devices at once.  IDE
can not access both devices of a single channel simultaneously.  SCSI
can.

Of course, in RAID systems, this kind of parallel access happens all the
time.  In non-RAID situations, it will depend on what kind of
applications you're running.

> Even advanced home users have no other reason to buy SCSI but for the
> sake of attaching up to 15 units and thus saving IRQs on their PCs.

This is not a minor detail.  My PCs have no free IRQs in them.  As a
matter of fact, I routinely have to disable one or both IDE interfaces
in order to have enough for the devices that I actually use.

Being able to add new devices without consuming any more IRQs is of
critical importance to me.  Especially when a large number of devices
are present.  My main PC has two hard drives, a Zip drive, a CD-ROM and
a tape drive.  It will soon be getting a CD-RW as well.  I have this all
on two SCSI busses - it could have been one bus, but I don't want the
Ultra-Wide hard drive to be slowed down by the non-Ultra devices.

Could I do all this with IDE?  Probably.  I'd need to add a third IDE
controller to the system, though.  And I'd have to arrange the devices
so that the devices that typically get used simultaneously (like hard
drive and tape drive) do not attach to the same interface.

> Another point may be if you want to be able to move your harddisks
> between the PC, Sun, MacIntosh etc. Then SCSI is to prefer. Otherwise,
> for home and small business use, there's really no need or advantage
> in using SCSI. Expensive controllers and more hard to find and
> expensive harddisks, for what? A queved command advantage that you
> have no noticable use for in any "normal" computer use.

You and I have very different definitions of "normal".

My normal computer use involves running 10 or more apps at once.  On
many occasions, several will be accessing my disk drives at once.  SCSI
definitely improves overall performance in these situations.

And the controllers are not _that_ expensive.  Sure, Adaptec has some
that sell for $350.  They also have less expensive models.  And you can
get good quality controllers from other vendors for the same price that
an ATA/66 or ATA/100 card sells for.

> SCSI is grossly overhyped.

Yes.  But that's no reason to underhype it in response.

-- David

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From: "Peter T. Breuer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: what's up with Sun?
Date: 7 Sep 2000 00:00:49 GMT

In comp.os.linux.hardware Raz A Mattazz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

: "Fred Nastos" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
: news:8p5giq$m1q$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
: manufacturers of harddrives have the (mechanically) same
: harddisk in an ATAPI version and in a SCSI version. Such "twins"
: perform equally. Only in big server RAID systems is SCSI
: superior to IDE. Even advanced home users have no other reason

Believe me, scsi makes a huge difference on my (ide + scsi)
P2 450MHz 128MB workstation. I can actually type and get a process
back from swap at the same time!

             total       used       free     shared    buffers     cached
Mem:        128316     118244      10072      39976      26768      40196
-/+ buffers/cache:      51280      77036
Swap:       258008      24444     233564

  2:00am  up 46 days, 11:54,  1 user,  load average: 0.92, 0.28, 0.15

: SCSI is grossly overhyped.

Nonsense. A response from a person who isn't trying to load netscape
while quitting staroffice all on their IDE transport, perhaps? It's
worth every penny to my nerves.

You know it makes sense ...  8-)

Peter

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From: Hammer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: how to mount a drive during start-up?
Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 00:15:41 GMT

I hear ya.

In article <8p6ivg$rd0$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
  "Peter T. Breuer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hammer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> : In article <8p6c4c$pd8$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> :   "Peter T. Breuer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> :> Hammer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
[snip]
> : me... that make you feel better??
>
> No .. I honestly don't know and don't care. I don't have some kind of
> inferiority complex - tho' I'll happily argue with you about anything.

I'd have never guessed :)

[snip]
> !! Well, you have plenty of experience of msdos systems, and I am sure
> you never saw an owner or group field in any of them. You're not at
> all surprised by an msdos file system lacking those attributes.  You
> are surprised by your own new realization of that.  You also have
> to think about its consequences ...

Now this does amuse me in the more traditional sense ;).  I obviously
know  a FAT file system does not have these constructs - neither
conceptual nor physical.  However, I *ASS*umed the vfat fs driver would
account for that absence via an abstarction, to keep this very type of
scenario from coming up.  There are all sorts of judgements which may be
made about that ASSumption, but it does not deserve an admonishment,
IMO, even from the "informed" person such as yourself (I don't mean that
sarcastically, either).

[snip]
> Well, I know what you mean. You did know it, but were not aware that
> you knew it. Uncodified (unsymbolized) knowledge is just data,
> not knowledge.

Agreed.

[snip]
> If it were a truly hostile manner, I'd have come over and shot you.

hehe.  I'm 5 days into quitting smoking... I welcome death at this
moment :) (j/k, obviously)  Real mental pain.

[snip]
> Sorry for the insult. You are plainly not stupid. After an
> accumulation
> of listings of natural consequences of facts (you could have
> deduced the facts from the responses you saw) insinuated as
> being irrational misprogrammings, I boiled over.

Been there.  I understand.

[snip]
> : issue, which (understandably) fails.   If I "cp" it in a shell, it
works
> : fine despite the error.  Just ignore it??  Thanks.
>
> mc (midnight commander original) also happily tolerates the situation.
> It's a bug introduced during the addition of a g to the prograsm name.

gotcha.  Thanks.  Cheers Peter.

-=hammer


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From: Jim Bell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: aus.computers.linux
Subject: Loopback Device Creation
Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 10:14:20 +0930


Hi,
I need to create an arbitrary number of loopback devices on the fly.  I
then want to mount filesystem images on these devices.  /dev/loop[0-7]
are not enough.

So far, I can create the device fine, but when I use losetup the command
says
Device Not Found error.  When I list the /dev dir, the device is there,
so I presume the kernal doesn't know or like my new device. I have
rebooted since creating the device (not necessary, but Windows habits
die hard!).   Any suggestions would be appreciated.

Below is what I'm doing so far. (Redhat kernal 2.2.5-15)

Thanks in Advance,
Jim.
--
[root /dev]# mknod  loop8  b  7  8
[root /dev]# chown   root:disk   loop8
[root /dev]# chmod  660   loop8
[root /dev]#  losetup   /dev/loop8  fileSystemImage
/dev/loop8: No such device
[root /dev]#



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From: "D. Abuan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Brother HL-1030 Printer Driver??
Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 01:01:38 GMT

Just bought this Brother HL-1030 printer but forgot
to check the hardware compatiblity list... Does anyone
have any solution to get this thing working???

thanks again





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