Linux-Misc Digest #256, Volume #26                Tue, 7 Nov 00 09:13:01 EST

Contents:
  Trying to download symbolic links. ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
  How to set proxy server for lynx ("Y W Wong")
  Re: >2GB process memory (Wolfram Gloger)
  hda problems (Stephen Charlton)
  Re: Trying to download symbolic links. (Victor Rajewski)
  smb vs nfs (Victor Rajewski)
  Bookmark Manager ("mpierce")
  Re: smb vs nfs (Jean-David Beyer)
  Re: Video Driver (Raimondas)
  Re: hda problems (more info) (Stephen Charlton)
  Re: hda problems (Victor Rajewski)
  Re: hda problems (more info) (Svend Olaf Mikkelsen)
  [finger] wont show .plan nor .project remotely -- why? (John Bacalle)
  Re: Bookmark Manager (Stephen Charlton)
  Re: environment path problem ("Arthur H. Gold")
  Re: Trying to download symbolic links. ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
  HP Webjetadmin (Christoph Kukulies)
  Re: Trying to download symbolic links. ("Kilian A. Foth")
  Re: Why, ext2 don't need defrag (Robert Heller)
  Re: Linux/UNIX=Windows (NAVARRO LOPEZ, =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jes=FAs?= Manuel)
  Re: Linux/UNIX=Windows (NAVARRO LOPEZ, =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jes=FAs?= Manuel)
  Re: Trying to download symbolic links. (Robert Kiesling)

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Trying to download symbolic links.
Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 10:02:09 GMT

Hello

I am trying to download the files on the directory:
ftp://ftp.mvista.com/pub/CDK/1.2/cd/PowerPC/install/rpxlite/

All the included files are symbolic links. I need the links, not the
files linked. I tried with several browsers and ftp programs (on
Windows and Linux) and I can no get the files: one program hung,
another lists but not download, other downloads the file linked... No
one download the link.

Can it be done?

Thanks


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From: "Y W Wong" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: How to set proxy server for lynx
Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 18:18:15 +0800

Any one know that how to set proxy for lynx since I would like to use it in
my office's intranet.

Thanks,

Y W Wong




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From: Wolfram Gloger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.system
Subject: Re: >2GB process memory
Date: 07 Nov 2000 11:52:09 +0100

Andre Rohe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> we have a 2GB memory and 2GB swap-space machine here, and I would like
> to address about 3GB of memory in one process. We tried the standard Suse 7.0
> kernel and 2.4.0 test9 (we tried the 4GB and 64GB memory option).
> We never managed to malloc >2GB in one process.

Depending on the size of the chunks that you allocate, an upgrade to
glibc-2.1.97 (warning: that is a pre-release) or better to glibc-2.2
when it is released may help.  Alternatively, try setting
MALLOC_MMAP_MAX_ to a really large number (the default, 1024, may be
too little for you).

Note that 3GB will be the absolute upper limit for memory that you can
_address_ on Intel-Linux at the moment.  In practice, you will be able
to _allocate_ only somewhat less memory..

Regards,
Wolfram.

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From: Stephen Charlton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: hda problems
Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 10:59:50 GMT

I'm having problems with my primary hard drive under Linux (Mandrake 7.1).
All the permissions look fine when doing an ls -l so for example tmp is 
world readwritable. However in reality the system is unable to create 
new files (even as root) and when you try to create such files you'll 
get an error "unable to open file for writing". fsck shows up no problems.

This is on /dev/hda1 - /dev/hda3 works fine and so does /dev/hdd1

What do you think the problem is? Has the hardware failed, has some one 
hacked in and changed something? Is there anyway to find out for sure?

Thanks in advance.


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From: Victor Rajewski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Trying to download symbolic links.
Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 22:02:32 +1100

not certain, but I don't think so. It woould depend on the ftp server, but
I think its highly irregular to do so, and thus its
probably not implemented. do u know where the links are pointing to? if
so, why not just create the symlinks yourself? In windows at least, the
symlink itself would be useless.

> I am trying to download the files on the directory:
> ftp://ftp.mvista.com/pub/CDK/1.2/cd/PowerPC/install/rpxlite/
> 
> All the included files are symbolic links. I need the links, not the
> files linked. I tried with several browsers and ftp programs (on
> Windows and Linux) and I can no get the files: one program hung,
> another lists but not download, other downloads the file linked... No
> one download the link.
> 
> Can it be done?

chow

vik

[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.progsoc.uts.edu.au/~vik
PGP: http://www.progsoc.uts.edu.au/~vik/pgp.txt



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From: Victor Rajewski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
Subject: smb vs nfs
Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 22:08:34 +1100

heyheyhey

I have a small LAN at home (3 computers) in which I want to set up my
fast(ish) linux box as a fileserver for the other two to run linux off
(basically I want to export the /usr and /home dirs). in terms of speed
and reliability, is smb or nfs a better option? security is not much of an
issue as I trust my housemates (and they have physical access to the
computer anyway).

anything else worth considering?

vik

[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.progsoc.uts.edu.au/~vik
PGP: http://www.progsoc.uts.edu.au/~vik/pgp.txt



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From: "mpierce" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Bookmark Manager
Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 22:11:22 +1100

Does anyone know of a bookmark manager that can sync under LIN for
Netscape, Konqueror, Opera. 

I will settle on the first browser that can use flash and java other than
Netscape 4.7x series.

Please post and email me.
Marvin

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From: Jean-David Beyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Re: smb vs nfs
Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 06:25:22 -0500

Victor Rajewski wrote:

> heyheyhey
>
> I have a small LAN at home (3 computers) in which I want to set up my
> fast(ish) linux box as a fileserver for the other two to run linux off
> (basically I want to export the /usr and /home dirs). in terms of speed
> and reliability, is smb or nfs a better option? security is not much of an
> issue as I trust my housemates (and they have physical access to the
> computer anyway).
>
> anything else worth considering?
>
> vik
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> http://www.progsoc.uts.edu.au/~vik
> PGP: http://www.progsoc.uts.edu.au/~vik/pgp.txt

I run Samba to serve a Windows 95 box, but nfs to serve a (Red Hat) Linux
(6.0) box. Actually, those two boxen are the some machine, but sometimes I
run one OS on it and sometimes the other. There is a Linux client, smbclient
(IIRC) that can be a Samba client, but nfs is sure easier if both boxen are
Linux anyway. Why put the Windows overhead in there?

--
 .~.   Jean-David Beyer           Registered Linux User 85642.
 /V\                              Registered Machine    73926.
/( )\  Shrewsbury, New Jersey
^^-^^  6:20am up 13 days, 18:38, 3 users, load average: 2.11, 2.14, 2.09




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From: Raimondas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: 
alt.linux,comp.os.linux.admin,comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.redhat,comp.os.linux.x.video
Subject: Re: Video Driver
Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 13:44:10 +0200

look at messages that X server produces on start, with this description
you won't get any help.

try

# X -probeonly > x.log 2>&1

and then look at x.log with vi or whatever

Raimondas

K wrote:

> Has anyone got a clue on how to make a generic AGP video card with an
> SIS6326 chip. It's not a new card. The closest I can get is getting xwindows
> up to what is a blank screen, usually blue or green, and sometimes with a
> vertical line from top to bottom for the mouse.
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]


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From: Stephen Charlton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: hda problems (more info)
Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 11:44:56 GMT

The unable to open fie for writing message was produced by vi (vim) 
using any other program produces a "no space left on device" message 
even though df shows there's plenty of space available.

fdisk also shows some odd results 666666 blocks seems a bit of a 
suspicious number to me (dunno if it's always been that though) which 
makes me wonder if a hackers been messing about.

Anyway is there any way of restoring this hard drive to its former 
glory, I've got backups but there a few weeks old


Anyway FYI fdisk /dev/hda output:

    Device Boot    Start       End    Blocks   Id  System
/dev/hda1   *         1        83    666666   83  Linux
/dev/hda2            84       116    265072+  82  Linux swap
/dev/hda3           117      1500  11116980   83  Linux
/dev/hda4          1501      2096   4787370   83  Linux


df output:
Filesystem           1k-blocks      Used Available Use% Mounted on
/dev/hda1               656144    266512    356300  43% /
/dev/hdd2                 5365         2      5086   0% /test
/dev/hda3             10942480    700728   9685904   7% /usr


Stephen Charlton wrote:

> I'm having problems with my primary hard drive under Linux (Mandrake 7.1).
> All the permissions look fine when doing an ls -l so for example tmp is 
> world readwritable. However in reality the system is unable to create 
> new files (even as root) and when you try to create such files you'll 
> get an error "unable to open file for writing". fsck shows up no problems.
> 
> This is on /dev/hda1 - /dev/hda3 works fine and so does /dev/hdd1
> 
> What do you think the problem is? Has the hardware failed, has some one 
> hacked in and changed something? Is there anyway to find out for sure?
> 
> Thanks in advance.



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From: Victor Rajewski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: hda problems
Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 23:38:07 +1100

Firstly, check if the harddisk is physically in read-only mode.
# hdparm -r /dev/hda
will tell you (prolly need to login as root). This is unlikely to be the
case tho. There's also something in the hdparm docs that says it is
dangerous to _change_ this setting (should b OK to read it)

if thats not the problem, check if the filesystem is mounted in read-write
mode. If its mounted in ro (read-only) mode, the permissions will still
appear as tho u can write to them (as it just reports the flags of the
file, not the state of the fs). But u cannot write to them. check
/etc/mtab to see the way the fs is mounted, and maybe modify /etc/fstab to
mount it in rw (read-write) mode. 

The other possibility is that the filesystem itself is corrupt (unlikely
if it passed fsck), so it begins by mounting it rw, sees an error, then
remounts it readonly. the bootup msgs or logs may have some clues about
this.

On Tue, 7 Nov 2000, Stephen Charlton wrote:

> I'm having problems with my primary hard drive under Linux (Mandrake 7.1).
> All the permissions look fine when doing an ls -l so for example tmp is 
> world readwritable. However in reality the system is unable to create 
> new files (even as root) and when you try to create such files you'll 
> get an error "unable to open file for writing". fsck shows up no problems.
> 
> This is on /dev/hda1 - /dev/hda3 works fine and so does /dev/hdd1
> 
> What do you think the problem is? Has the hardware failed, has some one 
> hacked in and changed something? Is there anyway to find out for sure?
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> 
> 

vik

[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.progsoc.uts.edu.au/~vik
PGP: http://www.progsoc.uts.edu.au/~vik/pgp.txt




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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Svend Olaf Mikkelsen)
Subject: Re: hda problems (more info)
Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 12:51:17 GMT

Stephen Charlton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>fdisk also shows some odd results 666666 blocks seems a bit of a 
>suspicious number to me (dunno if it's always been that though) which 
>makes me wonder if a hackers been messing about.

>/dev/hda1   *         1        83    666666   83  Linux
>/dev/hda2            84       116    265072+  82  Linux swap
>/dev/hda3           117      1500  11116980   83  Linux
>/dev/hda4          1501      2096   4787370   83  Linux

This is as expected for a cylinder 1 to 83 partition at a 255 heads,
63 sectors disk:

(83*255*63-63)/2 = 666666
-- 
Svend Olaf

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Bacalle)
Subject: [finger] wont show .plan nor .project remotely -- why?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 12:53:29 GMT

This is weird, I notice that when I perform a finger locally I get a
different result then when I do it from a remote machine. Locally I can
see my .plan and .project files, from outside these are not shown, no
matter what options I use.

I was going to include my GnuPG key via .plan, but as things are no one
will see it on the Net. *harrumph!*

Try: 

   finger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   
and you'll get,

   > $ finger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   > [amphiprion.dyn.dhs.org]
   > Login: john                             Name: John Bacalle
   > Directory: /home/john                   Shell: /bin/bash
   > Office: 2B, +1-718-555-1212             Home Phone: +1-718-555-1212
   > On since Tue Nov  7 03:46 (EST) on pts/1 from :0
   >    1 second idle
   >      (messages off)
   > On since Tue Nov  7 03:46 (EST) on pts/2   1 second idle
   >      (messages off)
   > On since Tue Nov  7 07:16 (EST) on pts/3   4 minutes 39 seconds idle
   > No mail.
   > No Plan.
     ^^^^^^^

But there is a .plan and its mode is set a=r. So what's up? .project
exists too.
   
   > $ ls -l .plan
   > -rw-rw-r--   1 john     john           66 Nov  5 09:42 .plan
   > $ ls -l .project
   > -rw-rw-r--   1 john     john         1014 Nov  5 09:43 .project

Compare this to a local finger:

   > $ finger john
   > Login: john                                Name: John Bacalle
   > Directory: /home/john                      Shell: /bin/bash
   > Office: 2B, +1-718-555-1212                Home Phone: +1-718-555-1212
   > On since Tue Nov  7 03:46 (EST) on pts/1 from :0 (messages off)
   > On since Tue Nov  7 03:46 (EST) on pts/2   34 seconds idle
   >      (messages off)
   > On since Tue Nov  7 07:16 (EST) on pts/3
   > No mail.
   > Project:
   >   
   >   My .project file.
   >   
   > Plan:
   > 
   >   My .plan file.

So, why do they show up locally, but, not remotely?

   John

-- 
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(slrn:*v****:Tin) (Mutt:v*****:Pine) (Debian:v*****:RH) (GNU:v*****:OSI) N
I'm selling Cisco, CCNA|CCDA|MCSE  new books for sale at a big discount! Y
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From: Stephen Charlton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Bookmark Manager
Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 12:59:14 GMT

Don't know about a bookmark manager but if you just want another browser 
that's not Netscape 4.x then give Mozilla a go http://www.mozilla.org/

You can import you 4.x bookmarks into Mozilla if you want help in doing 
this then let me know.
mpierce wrote:

> Does anyone know of a bookmark manager that can sync under LIN for
> Netscape, Konqueror, Opera. 
> 
> I will settle on the first browser that can use flash and java other than
> Netscape 4.7x series.
> 
> Please post and email me.
> Marvin



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Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 00:23:30 -0600
From: "Arthur H. Gold" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: environment path problem

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> i am having problem with adding environment path to my RedHat Linux ,
> the shell that i am using is bash . the problem is when i tried export
> JAVA_HOME=/path/to/jdk it work but when i logout and login again the
> path is gone, how can i make the path permanent ? And also , when i add
> new parameter into the PATH environment with this command export
> PATH=$PATH:/jdk it work but again when i logout n login again the path
> is gone , how can i make the path permanent ? Please advice
> 
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> Before you buy.
Add the command to your .profile (see `man bash' for
details)

HTH,
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-- 
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for more info)
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again" -- Joseph Heller

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Trying to download symbolic links.
Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 13:24:34 GMT

After create two links manually, a person behind me told:"Who does the
work: you or the computer?"

There are two pages of links. I must search the real file directory and
then create the link in the actual directory. All would be more ...
comfortable? if the computer does the work.

Thanks anyway

In article <Pine.OSF.4.21.0011072154220.134649-
[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
  Victor Rajewski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> not certain, but I don't think so. It woould depend on the ftp
server, but
> I think its highly irregular to do so, and thus its
> probably not implemented. do u know where the links are pointing to?
if
> so, why not just create the symlinks yourself? In windows at least,
the
> symlink itself would be useless.
>
> > I am trying to download the files on the directory:
> > ftp://ftp.mvista.com/pub/CDK/1.2/cd/PowerPC/install/rpxlite/
> >
> > All the included files are symbolic links. I need the links, not the
> > files linked. I tried with several browsers and ftp programs (on
> > Windows and Linux) and I can no get the files: one program hung,
> > another lists but not download, other downloads the file linked...
No
> > one download the link.
> >
> > Can it be done?
>
> chow
>
> vik
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> http://www.progsoc.uts.edu.au/~vik
> PGP: http://www.progsoc.uts.edu.au/~vik/pgp.txt
>
>


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From: Christoph Kukulies <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: HP Webjetadmin
Date: 7 Nov 2000 13:37:43 GMT

Has anyone used HP WebJetadmin http://www.hp.com/go/webjetadmin_software
successfully under RH 6.1 and Netscape 4.7?

I cannot get created any queue. 

-- 
Chris Christoph P. U. Kukulies [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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From: "Kilian A. Foth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Trying to download symbolic links.
Date: 7 Nov 2000 13:51:03 GMT

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> After create two links manually, a person behind me told:"Who does the
> work: you or the computer?"

> There are two pages of links. I must search the real file directory and
> then create the link in the actual directory. All would be more ...
> comfortable? if the computer does the work.

Well, it probably can, with the right tool. Is there any regularity to
where the links should point? If so, you should use a shell command or
a perl one-liner, rather than forcing a browser to jump through hoops
outside its specified capabilities.

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From: Robert Heller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why, ext2 don't need defrag
Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 13:57:45 -0000

  [EMAIL PROTECTED],
  In a message on Tue, 07 Nov 2000 02:17:37 GMT, wrote :

c> Robert Heller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
c> >   [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul Lew),
c> >   In a message on Sun, 05 Nov 2000 17:36:15 GMT, wrote :
c> > PL> ??? SuSE 6.3 has the following msg:
c> > PL>      EXT2-fs warning: checktime reached, running e2fsck is recommended
c> > PL>      
c> > PL> Doesn't e2fsck also "defrag" a bit as well as checking the file-system?
c> > 
c> > No.  It just checks the file system.   The "EXT2-fs warning: checktime
c> > reached, running e2fsck is recommended" is not specific to SuSE.  It is
c> > a normal part of the EXT2-fs code.  
c> 
c> That's not 100% fair; supposing e2fsck finds problems, it may wind up
c> shifting the broken files around.
c> 
c> Mind you, I'm not sure that I'd count the ability to reorganize
c> _broken_ files to be a major benefit :-).  (Thus, it's only less than
c> 100% fair by a Very Slim Margin...)

This is not *specificly* defragmentation -- e2fsck is not intended to
defragment or optimize a file system.  It is meant to check for
problems and make some attempt to correct problems it finds.  The fact
that a possible correction (repair) *might* result in *effective*
'defragmentation' or 'optimization', is coincidental.

If e2fsck finds no problems or finds only 'trivial' ones (non-zero DTIMES and
such), it won't do ANY 'defragmentation' or 'optimization', even
coincidentally. 

c> -- 
c> (concatenate 'string "cbbrowne" "@acm.org") <http://www.ntlug.org/~cbbrowne/>
c> Rules of the Evil Overlord #61. "If my advisors ask "Why are you
c> risking everything on such a mad scheme?", I will not proceed until I
c> have a response that satisfies them." <http://www.eviloverlord.com/>
c>       






                                  
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From: NAVARRO LOPEZ, =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jes=FAs?= Manuel 
Subject: Re: Linux/UNIX=Windows
Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 14:03:25 +0100

Peter wrote:
> >
> Electronic  spreadsheets sold more computers than any compiler. There
> was a stage when 75% of the world's programmers were people writing
> Visicalc and Excel macros. Today there are more people learning
> JavaScript than C. I expect in the future a scripting language simpler
> than PHP will supplant JavaScript, Perl, Visual Basic for Word and
> Excel as the common language behind any application that displays
> data.
> 

If M$ wants so, you mean

- 
SALUD,
Jes�s
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From: NAVARRO LOPEZ, =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jes=FAs?= Manuel 
Subject: Re: Linux/UNIX=Windows
Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 14:01:11 +0100

Hi Peter:

Peter wrote:
> 
> .
> .
> >If you get to something like compiling and installing sendmail, mysql,
> >apache... you preferable
> >have to be a C/C++ programmer, like to read FAQs RFCs and spend a month
> >learning
> >protocolls and security systems (i might stretch it a bit, but you get the
> >picture).
> >
> >Don't get me wrong, i admire the people doing all those free applications
> >and i understand
> >they don't have all the time in the world to write big comprehencive
> >manuals, especially
> >for free, but nevertheless it's a problem.
> >
> >Mats
> >
> >
> I find the Windows NT binaries of PHP etc work well. The installation
> is simple for most. Apache is a little tricky because few people
> understand services. The problem is setting up a workstation to run a
> departmental Intranet or a test web site. Installing all the bits by
> hand requires a different knowledge set for each. There is not
> equivalent to a Microsoft Office CD.
> 

Meeeeck.  Untrue.  At least untrue to the same extent it is about
Windows.  Installing apps is just the same no matter what app is: either
untar/config/make config/install, or rpm -i or apt or deb (and usually
you can choose which method do you prefer), but always the same.  About
configuring, on a 'well-it's-just-running' it's a matter of reading just
a README, both Unix or Windows, have a well-tunned config takes deep
knowledge on what is involved both in Win and Unix.

> If the user switches to Mandrake 7 and clicks on Workstation, they get
> the GUI but not server apps like Apache. If they click Server, they
> miss out on the GUI. That is where the Mandrake help panels come in. I
> can work out what is missing and just run the installation process
> from scratch using the help panels to find out about custom
> installation. Just like NT and other operating systems.
> 

Well... so? You can either have some pre-configured 'profiles' with
Mandrake (I will add that the same goes with RH, Debian an others) or a
personalized install.  Well, where are the pre-profiles on windows??

> With NT, I can then alter the NT installation script to pre answer
> questions and burn a new CD. That new CD will automatically install on
> 100s of PCs with no problems. To do the same with Linux, you have to
> start with far more knowledge of Linux and people with that knowledge
> are in short supply.
> 

Yep.  But this is the same with Linux.  Why do you think Mandrake, RH,
debian, etc. can offer those pre-configured profiles, but becuse it is
possible to have pre-configured profiles???  At least I know how is this
done on RH: the tool is Anaconda: more or less the same those *.inf from
windows: you can go from the standard install process rigth from the
distro to the "push the power button and put this CD onto the reader and
go for a coffe".

> People like to show me their favorite distro of Linux install in 10
> minutes with only 3 questions. Great. Then something goes wrong. The
> fix up time is as long as with NT and there are fewer people with the
> knowledge.
> 

Uh?  These are new news to me.  To my knowledge an experience, when a
Win install goes well, goes well, when it goes bad, you are almost
always plain fucked.  On the other hand, except when hardware is not
supported (a big caveat, I recognize, since there's too many hardaware
not supported) you have always at least a starting point.

> 
> Linux will start winning the big race when a company can take one CD
> and roll out 1,000 workstations complete with GUI, StarOffice, a
> database, PHP, something equivalent to MS's Personal Webserver and
> something compatible with Powerpoint.
> 

OK, good news then: this can be done *rigth now*.

> I am hoping RedHat 7 has taken on all the good features of Mandrake 7
> and will combine that with regular updates. Once every 3 months would
> suit my needs.
> 

Geee.

> I use Solaris and Linux for web servers. Considering each server is
> serving around 80,000 workstations, the workstation market is far
> larger and more influential.
> 
> The mass market, the user of the future, works at about the level of
> PHP/Visual Basic/Excel macros so will not be able to resort to reading
> C code. They need the GUI apps to warn them disk space is running out
> and show them where the space went. That was where I started this
> discussion. What is the Linux equivalent of Diskeeper or Raxco?
> 

gtop? (for instance).

> I do not need the GUI apps but find them many times faster so will
> stick with NT Workstation until the right set of apps are Gnomed.


OK: this is about choice.
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SALUD,
Jes�s
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Subject: Re: Trying to download symbolic links.
From: Robert Kiesling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 14:05:23 GMT


> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > After create two links manually, a person behind me told:"Who does the
> > work: you or the computer?"
> 
> > There are two pages of links. I must search the real file directory and
> > then create the link in the actual directory. All would be more ...
> > comfortable? if the computer does the work.

I don't have a clue what you mean.  You start with a set of links
relative to one directory?  Or to multiple directories?  And
you want the result to be a HTML file in the target directory containing
the links relative to this other, original directory that contains files?  

If you're not into shell scripts, Perl would be the cheapest solution,
(of course.) :)

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