Linux-Misc Digest #303, Volume #26 Mon, 13 Nov 00 19:13:04 EST
Contents:
Re: Oracle 8i on RH Linux 7.0 ("Lamar Thomas")
Re: Fatal: Kernel /vmlinuz is too big (Paul Floyd)
Re: True GTK+ will eliminate Qt in next few years? (Chris J/#6)
Re: X server crashing all of a sudden looking for 'fixed' font... (sverre)
Re: how to remove file starting with - ? (Juergen Heinzl)
Upgrading kernel (From 2.2.14-5.0 to 2.2.17) (Kaybenn Sturas)
Re: CD -- Why do I have 30 kscd processes? (Dave Nash)
Re: True GTK+ will eliminate Qt in next few years? (Kjetil Torgrim Homme)
Re: Installing Linux (Hector Rivera)
Re: ethernet speed! ("Ernest N. Mamikonyan")
Re: X-Windows trys to start and then crashes (Lori Holder-Webb)
Re: True GTK+ will eliminate Qt in next few years? (Craig Kelley)
paging for the sake of fs cache (Olaf Zaplinski)
Re: how to remove file starting with - ? (Bill Unruh)
Re: Installing Linux ("Davor Buvinic")
Re: True GTK+ will eliminate Qt in next few years? (mlw)
Star Office 5.2 problems on Suse 7 ("D. M. Smith")
'Checking for new hardware' more instructive ?? (Jean-Philippe
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Re: Problem with netgroup in /etc/exports ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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From: "Lamar Thomas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Oracle 8i on RH Linux 7.0
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 14:14:00 -0800
Thanks for the info. Scott, I'll check it out. However, I don't see your
"first" post.
Lamar
"Scott Schaefer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> And if you read my first reply in this chain, you will get your
> answer ....
>
> This is a known problem on RedHat 7.x; Oracle installs and runs
> w/o problem on Redhat 6.x [assuming you meet minimum sys requirements,
> esp. memory] ... there may be workaraounds/fixed for v7.0 by now; see
> http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=18391
>
>
> Lamar Thomas wrote:
> >
> > I am using the "Oracle 8i for Linux Starter Kit" book and the Oracle CD
that
> > came with the book. I have read good things about the book on
"Amazon.com".
> > There is also an "Oracle 8i for NT Starter kit".
> >
> > However, that is where I got my error: "Initializing Database" (see my
> > first post in this chain).
> >
> > Lamar
> >
> > "Marco Shaw" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:p4lP5.2904$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > Yes:
> > >
> > > 1. otn.oracle.com where you can get a free account, and continue from
> > there.
> > > 2. Buy the Oracle Press/Osborne book: Oracle 8i for Linux Starter Kit
to
> > get
> > > the CD.
> > >
> > > Marco
> > >
> > > "Doug Holtz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > news:3a0d859e$0$99041$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > Where can I get Oracle for Linux? Is there a free download version?
> > >
> > >
> > >
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul Floyd)
Subject: Re: Fatal: Kernel /vmlinuz is too big
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 22:23:36 GMT
On Sun, 12 Nov 2000 11:21:48 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Hello, when I run "make zlilo" or "make bzImage ; lilo"
>I get the following error: Fatal: Kernel /vmlinuz is too big
>
>How do I solve this?
make bzlilo?
A bientot
Paul
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What's the point? The sharp bit on the end.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chris J/#6)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.linux.x,comp.unix.solaris
Subject: Re: True GTK+ will eliminate Qt in next few years?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 13 Nov 2000 22:27:00 -0000
James Hutchins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Remember how Motif became the darling and crowded out all of its
>competitors within very few years? Is that what will happen with GTK+ and
>Qt?
>
>I was about to switch from Motif to Qt, but have gotten advice from
>several sources suggesting Qt failed to get adopted as the darling of the
>unix community and GTK+ has succeeded, so Qt will not be around, or will
>be a hanger-on.
>
>Seems like when a tool doesn't "win", all kinds of things happen, like
>ancilliary tools don't get developed for it, it isn't kept up with new
>developments, good books about it (and about using various tools in
>conjunction with it, like databases, graphics libraries, etc.) don't
>appear, etc.
>
>Thoughts?
>
>Jim
Out of the two, from a user perspective, I prefer the look & feel of the Qt
widgets ... they just seem, well, "better" (for lack of a better word). I
can't describe this - it's just my own personal viewpoint, so sorry to the
GTK bods who may be interested in why - its summat I can't put into words.
I don't actually use wither Gnome (GTK) or KDE (Qt) mostly because I object
to flooding my own system with libraries galore that I'd use for only a
few apps, so can't speak for the look/feel of the desktops following on from
the above.
>From a programming perspective, I aggree with the other posters here; both
GTK and Qt win by being central toolkits in high-profile projects, and also
becuase they both target different languages (C and C++, respectivly).
Speaking of Motif ... I've not actually done any research (mostly because
this thoughts only just arrived within my skull) -- has any one considered,
or are there any libraries, that wrap Qt and/or GTK into Motif calls? I know
there's Lesstif, but generally speaking Motif widgets ain't pretty, and
again from a look/feel aspect, it seems a good idea. Having never had the
misfortune to write Motif code, I wouldn't know how hard it is to wrap the
Motif calls up.
Just my 2p,
Chris...
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (sverre)
Subject: Re: X server crashing all of a sudden looking for 'fixed' font...
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 22:33:42 GMT
On Mon, 13 Nov 2000 16:22:57 -0500, Jeff Pierce wrote:
>I have been running Linux and X for about 6 years and after using 2.0.36
>forever I download the Slackware 7.1 and build a new system disk get X
>running, etc. Do to other things I took that disk out and ran my old
>system for a while.
>Ok, I go back and put the new disk in and boot. No problem. Type startx
>and the xserver fails saying it cannot locate default font fixed in the
>font path. Well, there never has been a 'fixed font' in the path, nor is
>it in the font path on my previous system.
>
>Why all of a sudden is the server complaining about it???
>
...just a guess - is xfs running when you try to start X ?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Juergen Heinzl)
Subject: Re: how to remove file starting with - ?
Date: 13 Nov 2000 22:41:42 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Wayne Pollock wrote:
>Try:
> rm -i foo *
>The command line processing of optional arguments stops on the first
>non dash argument.
>
>-Wayne Pollock
>
>Thomas Ruedas wrote:
>>
>> By a silly glitch in a makefile, a file with a name beginning with a -
>> was created on my system. Does anybody know how to get rid of it? I
>> tried several combinations of rm with putting the filename in " or ',
>> masking it with a \ or using * etc. - nothing works, I always get an
>> error because the shell thinks that I want to pass an option to rm.
[-]
Or just rm -- -oops.
Ta',
Juergen
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From: Kaybenn Sturas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux
Subject: Upgrading kernel (From 2.2.14-5.0 to 2.2.17)
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 14:30:39 -0800
Greetings :)
I am trying to upgrade my kernel from 2.2.14-5.0 to 2.2.17. I am
running Red Hat 6.2 on a Pentium 166 Mhz MMX with 40Megs of RAM and a
1Gig ext2 partition set aside for linux.
I've gone through the make mrproper, xconfig, dep, clean, bzImage,
modules, and modules_install all while logged in as root and all without
error. I then modified my lilo.conf as follows so it included a new
section "linux2" for the new kernel Image:
boot=/dev/hda
map=/boot/map
install=/boot/boot.b
prompt
timeout=50
linear
default=linux
image=/boot/vmlinuz-2.2.14-5.0
label=linux
read-only
VGA=788
root=/dev/hda3
image=/usr/src/linux/arch/i386/boot/bzImage
label=linux2
read-only
VGA=788*
root=/dev/hda3
other=/dev/hda1
label=dos
* I was sure to include the option in the kernel to allow VGA consoles.
However I have tried commenting this line out with no change :(
I then ran /sbin/lilo -v to update the mbr.
Now when I try to load linux2 from the LILO: prompt I get:
Loading Linux .............
Then the screen goes black, however my HDD light blinks as if the kernel
is booting, I just can not see it :(. I can't change virtual terminals
and need to <ctrl><alt><del> to reboot the system. (I have tried logging
in and rebooting blindly but it dosen't seem to work).
I have read the kernel-HOWTO, the README file that came with the kernel
and many docs online (As well as searched usenet for similiar questions)
Have I left out a needed video driver?
Is there a way to log what is happening while my screen is black?
Any assistance is greatly appreciated :)
Thanks
Kaybenn :)
Note: Remove the NOSPAM to reply by email :)
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From: Dave Nash <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: CD -- Why do I have 30 kscd processes?
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 22:52:19 +0000
Bill Unruh wrote:
> >all. I have all these kscd
> >processes and I don't think
> >I need that many.
>
> Nope you do not. It is the CD player under kde. Have you been opening
> and then forgetting to close them?
>
In an older version (1.0?) the "exit" button didn't close it, only
minimized it. Then when you logged off KDE the session management saved
them all and started them next time. The problem is worse if you have it
in your Autostart, as then you get an extra one each time.
Dave
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From: Kjetil Torgrim Homme <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.linux.x,comp.unix.solaris
Subject: Re: True GTK+ will eliminate Qt in next few years?
Date: 13 Nov 2000 23:54:14 +0100
[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> The one thing I think is silly about the current open source mentality
> is that many of them, particularly the gnome people, are passionately
> anti-c++.
* No standards for name mangling, leading to backwards compatibility
horrors.
* Very hard to make bindings to languages other than C++.
* You can easily make a C++ binding for a C framework, so why not do
it the other way around?
The Unix ABI is based on C. Live with it.
Kjetil T.
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From: Hector Rivera <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,alt.os.linux.mandrake
Subject: Re: Installing Linux
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 17:59:24 -0500
Read this:
http://www.mandrakeuser.org/install/iboot2.html
If you use GRUB as your bootloader the 1024 cyl isuue is not a problem.
Also, I've heard the latest LILO versions doesn't have that problem
either
Etienne Laurin wrote:
>
> Greetings,
>
> I would like to install Linux (Mandrake Linux 7.2 to be exact) on my
> hard drive which is partitioned in multiple 2Gb partitions and
> considering that it would be installed on the third partition (an
> extended partition I think), it would be passed the 1024e cylinder. I
> would like to know if it is possible to install (and boot) Linux passed
> the 1024e cylinder. If it is not possible to boot Linux from ?so far?,
> could I still install it on that partition and boot from a floppy disk
> to bypass the 1024e cylinder problem. And if I boot from a floppy disk
> every time I wish to boot in Linux, I would like some to confirm me that
> it wouldn?t change anything if I do a fdisk /mbr to boot my Windows
> without having to go through LILO every time I boot my computer.
>
> Thank you.
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Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 17:58:51 -0500
From: "Ernest N. Mamikonyan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Subject: Re: ethernet speed!
My favorite program to monitor system resources is XOSView. Read the man
page and find out how to set the bandwidth for the network meter and
then you'll have a pretty good idea of what's going on.
--
Good Luck!
Ernie ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Anders Hanssen wrote:
>
> "Antony Mak" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Can anyone tell me how can I find out what speed is the ethernet card
> > running?
>
> You can try
> # ifconfig -a
>
> \anders
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From: Lori Holder-Webb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: X-Windows trys to start and then crashes
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 16:41:43 -0600
How much space is available on your disk?
mike wrote:
>
> Hi,
> I am running Redhat 6.1 on a 386 type machine a NexGen 586, I am
> told.
> The error message I get is the following
> -FontTransocketUNIXConnect: can't connect" errno = 111
> failed to set default font 'unix/:-1'
> Fatal server error:
> could not open default font 'fixed'
> X connection to :0.0 broken (explicit kill or server shutdown)
>
> Thanks
> Mike
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.linux.x,comp.unix.solaris
Subject: Re: True GTK+ will eliminate Qt in next few years?
From: Craig Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 13 Nov 2000 16:01:33 -0700
mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I have looked at both gtk and qt, I am amazed that gtk is not ridiculed
> more.
>
> The one thing I think is silly about the current open source mentality
> is that many of them, particularly the gnome people, are passionately
> anti-c++. I do not understand why. The whole gnome infrastructure seems
> to go through hoops to accomplish what C++ gives you for free, and
> despite arguments to the contrary, C++ can do all the neat and efficient
> things that C can do, the same way. So, using C++, as a C with classes,
> would have made the whole gnome project much more robust and readable.
>
> Why they had to implement their own object oriented class environment in
> C, when the same compiler could compile C++ code, just seems silly. I
> can think of no rational, reasonable argument for their decision. I
> would love to debate that with someone, but I have yet to hear any
> defensible reasoning.
I won't defend GTK, but the reason they used C is because when the
Gimp was started (around 1996, if I remember correctly), gcc was
horrible at C++ (if it could do it at all).
> I wouldn't put one minute's worth of code towards the GTK. QT/KDE is
> better.
I hope that the two projects merge in the future in a language less
sucky than either C or C++.
--
The wheel is turning but the hamster is dead.
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From: Olaf Zaplinski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: paging for the sake of fs cache
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 00:08:50 +0100
Hi,
my 2.2.17 SuSE 7.0 machine likes paging much - it puts ~20 MB into the swap
space just to keep fs buffers in RAM. How do I turn this off? The old 2.0.x
kernels did not have this counterproductive behaviour. Well, for servers
this might be okay, but how do I tune a 2.2.x kernel for workstation use? I
could not find any hint on the FAQs, HOWTOs...
TIA!
Olaf
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bill Unruh)
Subject: Re: how to remove file starting with - ?
Date: 13 Nov 2000 23:15:46 GMT
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Juergen Heinzl) writes:
]In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Wayne Pollock wrote:
]>Try:
]> rm -i foo *
]Or just rm -- -oops.
or rm ./-oops
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From: "Davor Buvinic" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,alt.os.linux.mandrake
Subject: Re: Installing Linux
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 19:14:18 -0300
Hi.
The "1024 cylinder limit" is not more a problem. The new version of lilo
that comes with Mandrake 7.2 can boot from anywhere.
Davor
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
"Etienne Laurin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escribi� en el mensaje
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Greetings,
>
> I would like to install Linux (Mandrake Linux 7.2 to be exact) on my
> hard drive which is partitioned in multiple 2Gb partitions and
> considering that it would be installed on the third partition (an
> extended partition I think), it would be passed the 1024e cylinder. I
> would like to know if it is possible to install (and boot) Linux passed
> the 1024e cylinder. If it is not possible to boot Linux from "so far",
> could I still install it on that partition and boot from a floppy disk
> to bypass the 1024e cylinder problem. And if I boot from a floppy disk
> every time I wish to boot in Linux, I would like some to confirm me that
> it wouldn't change anything if I do a fdisk /mbr to boot my Windows
> without having to go through LILO every time I boot my computer.
>
> Thank you.
>
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From: mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.linux.x,comp.unix.solaris
Subject: Re: True GTK+ will eliminate Qt in next few years?
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 18:29:39 -0500
Kjetil Torgrim Homme wrote:
>
> [[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>
> > The one thing I think is silly about the current open source mentality
> > is that many of them, particularly the gnome people, are passionately
> > anti-c++.
>
> * No standards for name mangling, leading to backwards compatibility
> horrors.
Not realy an issue. If one uses C binding for exported functions.
> * Very hard to make bindings to languages other than C++.
Not true.
extern "C" function(....)
What is the problem? Why is that hard?
> * You can easily make a C++ binding for a C framework, so why not do
> it the other way around?
Because C++ provides you with a rich set of object handling features.
Look at the GTK, it is a horrible mess of "C" pretending to be C++. Why
not use C++ in the first place?
>
> The Unix ABI is based on C. Live with it.
And can be called just find from C++. C++ is a "super set" that means it
does more than C, not less. There isn't anything that can be done in C,
that can't be done just as easily in C++, but the converse is not true.
--
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From: "D. M. Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Star Office 5.2 problems on Suse 7
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 23:36:12 -0000
Reply-To: "D. M. Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
If anyone can help resolve the following problem I'd be most obliged.
When I attempt to run Star Office 5.2 from the menu item or a desktop link
I merely get the splash screen loading then.....nothing, nada, zilch. I've
tried to repair
it using the local setup option and have even ventured into the murky depths
of YAST (Murky for a novice like me at least) and deinstalled and
reinstalled the entire package but the problem persists.
Furthermore, If I enter the command soffice at a command line the same
thing happens but I get the response: "aborted"
Anyone know what's going on here?
Thanks in advance fopr any replies.
Cheers.
Darren.
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From: Jean-Philippe =?iso-8859-1?Q?C=F4t=E9?= <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.harware,comp.os.linux
Subject: 'Checking for new hardware' more instructive ??
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 23:42:50 GMT
Hello,
I have problems with my Linux machine (AMD k6 running
RH7 and kernel 2.2.16): it just keeps on crashing, and then
reboots. Many of these crashes actually happen during the
boot process, when the system says 'Checking for new hardware'.
Is there a way of making this message more instructive, i.e.
to make it display the name of the actual hardware component
it is testing ?
Any help appreciated.
Thanks,
J-P
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Problem with netgroup in /etc/exports
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 23:54:43 GMT
In comp.os.linux.networking [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> In comp.os.linux.misc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> I set up NIS at home, here I *can* use netgroups in /etc/exports as
>> described in the man pages.
[...]
> It stopped working. I tried to set up another host, and it did not
Problem solved!
The problem was in my hosts map.
While trying to mount a directory exported to a netgroup, I noticed
that the error in /var/log/messages on the server said that a mount
request was denied to a different hostname than I expected.
It was refusing connections to non-canonical host names that I have in
the hosts map for some virtual web servers that I develop on.
Two solutions seem to work. I can put all the host names in the
netgroup, including the names of the virtual servers, or I can make
sure that all the host names are on the same line in the hosts map,
with the canonical name first. I'm doing that latter for now.
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