Linux-Misc Digest #302, Volume #26 Mon, 13 Nov 00 17:13:01 EST
Contents:
Re: is linux good for graphic design? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Memory leak? (Andreas =?iso-8859-1?Q?K=E4h=E4ri?=)
X server crashing all of a sudden looking for 'fixed' font... (Jeff Pierce)
Re: retreiving mail and news from isp (Darren Wyn Rees)
Re: kernel 2.3.99-pre9 compile problem ("Mark")
Re: problem with screen ("Chicken")
Re: Can't see, blind man walking, HELP. Where's the door? ("Chicken")
Re: LinkSys betrayed us! Poor prospects for Linux. (David)
Re: Memory leak? ("ne...")
clock confusion (Lori Holder-Webb)
X-Windows trys to start and then crashes (mike)
Re: Linux/UNIX=Windows ("Stuart D. Gathman")
Help Replacing libraries (Bill Moseley)
Re: True GTK+ will eliminate Qt in next few years? (Matthias Warkus)
Re: True GTK+ will eliminate Qt in next few years? (Matthias Warkus)
Re: True GTK+ will eliminate Qt in next few years? (Matthias Warkus)
Re: Memory leak? (Greg Engel)
Re: True GTK+ will eliminate Qt in next few years? (mlw)
Re: retreiving mail and news from isp (Eduardo Chappa)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: is linux good for graphic design?
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 10:00:10 +0000
Take a look at http://www.linuxartist.org (or .com?)
Doug Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I would do anything to drive bill into the ground. So I want to use linux.
> Is it any good for doing graphic production? And do I need a special
> version of all my software to use it on linux?
> --
> Posted via CNET Help.com
> http://www.help.com/
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Andreas =?iso-8859-1?Q?K=E4h=E4ri?=)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.security,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Memory leak?
Date: 13 Nov 2000 21:13:08 +0100
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Greg Engel wrote:
>Andreas K�h�ri wrote:
>
>> Is this a real memory leak or are you viewing "buffered" and "cached"
>> memory as "unavailable"?
>
>top shows the following:
>
>> 2:56pm up 23:18, 5 users, load average: 0.10, 0.05, 0.15
>> 77 processes: 76 sleeping, 1 running, 0 zombie, 0 stopped
>> CPU0 states: 1.3% user, 1.2% system, 0.0% nice, 96.3% idle
>> CPU1 states: 2.0% user, 0.4% system, 0.0% nice, 97.0% idle
>> Mem: 255312K av, 227232K used, 28080K free, 0K shrd, 13920K
>> buff
>> Swap: 248996K av, 12K used, 248984K free 133448K
>> cached
>
>It's the "Mem used" section that was bothering me as it steadily grows from
>72MB up to this 230MB value that you see here. Perhaps I'm just watching
>my cache fill up?
>
>-Greg
>
As I expected, you should add those 13920K+133448K to your mental
picture of the approx. amount of memory being available for use (that
makes it approx. 175448K free and 79864K used as it is in the
screenshot above).
Maybe if you think of it like this: "28080K free" means 28080K is just
wasted.
/A
ps: Why is the shared memory at 0? It ought to be higher... Are you
using a test/hacked kernel?
--
Andreas K�h�ri, Uppsala University, Sweden (until 1:st of Dec. 2000)
========================================================================
"If you leave now, you're going to miss the real experience."
-- Richard M. Stallman, Stockholm 1986. Visit www.gnu.org
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Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 16:22:57 -0500
From: Jeff Pierce <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: X server crashing all of a sudden looking for 'fixed' font...
I have been running Linux and X for about 6 years and after using 2.0.36
forever I download the Slackware 7.1 and build a new system disk get X
running, etc. Do to other things I took that disk out and ran my old
system for a while.
Ok, I go back and put the new disk in and boot. No problem. Type startx
and the xserver fails saying it cannot locate default font fixed in the
font path. Well, there never has been a 'fixed font' in the path, nor is
it in the font path on my previous system.
Why all of a sudden is the server complaining about it???
--
Jeff Pierce
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From: Darren Wyn Rees <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.os.linux,alt.os.linux.dial-up,alt.uu.comp.os.linux.questions,linux.redhat.misc,linux.redhat.ppp
Subject: Re: retreiving mail and news from isp
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 20:26:10 +0000 (UTC)
In alt.os.linux.dial-up Benjamin Autin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> How do you get your email
fetchmail & postfix to fetch mail;
procmail to filter it, mutt to read it.
> and newsgroups from your ISP in Linux?
suck & INN; and tin to read the news.
--
Darren Wyn Rees [EMAIL PROTECTED]
ASK your ISP to ADD the NEW england.* Newsgroups
http://www.england.news-admin.org/accessfaq.html
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From: "Mark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: kernel 2.3.99-pre9 compile problem
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 14:23:23 +0600
In article <8u742g$rr8$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "roundman"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I am trying to compile the above kernel on a RedHat 7.0 system with all
> updates installed, and received the following errors:
>
> make[2]: Entering directory `/usr/src/linux-2.3.99/arch/i386/lib' gcc
> -D__ASSEMBLY__ -D__KERNEL__ -I/usr/src/linux/include -traditional -c
> checksum.S -o checksum.o checksum.S:238: badly punctuated parameter list
> in #define checksum.S:244: badly punctuated parameter list in #define
> make[2]: *** [checksum.o] Error 1 make[2]: Leaving directory
> `/usr/src/linux-2.3.99/arch/i386/lib' make[1]: *** [first_rule] Error 2
> make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-2.3.99/arch/i386/lib' make:
> *** [_dir_arch/i386/lib] Error 2
>
>
> What do I need to do to fix this?
>
> Bob Full
>
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.
Go to this page...
http://www.redhat.com/support/docs/gotchas/7.0/gotchas-7-6.html#ss6.1
There you will find the answer :-)
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From: "Chicken" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: problem with screen
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 21:33:24 +0100
Well - maybe.
WHERE did you put those commands in the rc.local file ?
you see, every terminal is only available for general command execution
AFTER a user has logged in, so normally speaking, only daemons and commands
that specifically program the terminal (like mingetty)
understand how to write to an un-opened terminal (a terminal is _not_ a
prompt !)
So, yes - i would suggest putting these things in a /root/.screenrc file -
but that still doesn't load screen on startup! you'll have to load it (in
either /root/.bashrc or /root/.profile) - then and only then will it run on
a connected terminal when the root user logs in - else who is using the
screen program?
It _may_ be possible to run the screen program from a startup script (like
init) but i don't know linux that well..
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From: "Chicken" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Can't see, blind man walking, HELP. Where's the door?
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 21:36:25 +0100
No, nobody can 'come in and tell you what the name of the file' IS...
like good 'ol windoze, your _monitor_ limits the resolutions your OS can
handle, so check if you set the right monitor type & make etc. _before_
upping the resolution
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From: David <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: LinkSys betrayed us! Poor prospects for Linux.
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 14:37:17 -0600
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> >
> > could SOMEBODY pls. provide a step-by-step approach to this
> > problem...dont want to give up on linux. not just yet...
You don't say what linksys card you have so this may or maynot work.
Some of the lines below may be wrapped due to email so read carefully.
This works for me on a redhat system.
To Recompile Tulip Module
To compile the module you will need to log in as "root", or "su" to
root.
You can download the latest version of the Tulip.c driver from one of
the links below, or copy it from the Linksys disk that came with the
ethernet card:
http://www.linksys.com/support/support.asp?spid=25
ftp://ftp.scydld.com/pub/network/tulip.c
Next you need to add a directory named "inet" to /usr/src/linux/net
with the following command:
mkdir /usr/src/linux/net/inet
Then copy the tulip.c module into the inet directory with this:
cp /path/to/tulip.c /usr/src/linux/net/inet/
First you remove the old module.
rm -f /lib/modules/kernel_version/net/tulip.o
In order to be able to compile the module you need to be in the inet
directory. This can be done with the following command.
cd /usr/src/linux/net/inet
Use one of the commands below depending on what is needed by your
system.
Be careful of typo errors, they will cause the compile to fail.
1.) To compile the Tulip module, issue the command below, it must all be
on one line:
gcc -DMODULE -D__KERNEL__ -I/usr/src/linux/net/inet -Wall
-Wstrict-prototypes -O6 -c tulip.c `[ -f
/usr/include/linux/modversions.h ] && echo -DMODVERSIONS`
2.) For a dual processor system, compile it with the command below, it
must all be on one line:
gcc -D__SMP__ -DMODULE -D__KERNEL__ -I/usr/src/linux/net/inet -Wall
-Wstrict-prototypes -O6 -c tulip.c `[ -f
/usr/include/linux/modversions.h ] && echo -DMODVERSIONS`
Once compiled you need to install it as follows:
To install the new
cp tulip.o /lib/modules/kernel_version/net
You need to add the "tulip" module to /etc/conf.modules using the
correct device (eth0, eth1, etc...).
alias eth0 tulip
Now update the "modules.dep" file by issuing the following command:
depmod -a
>From this point most of the time all that is needed is to restart the
network for the new module to be activated. You can do this with the
following:
/etc/rc.d/init.d/network restart
If you want to check it prior to restarting the network, you can issue
the command below and then check /var/log/messages for any errors.
modprobe tulip.o
The module is installed correctly, if no errors appear in the logs.
If you tested the install you need to unload it from the kernel with the
command and then restart the network:
rmmod tulip.o
--
Confucius say: He who play in root, eventually kill tree.
Registered with the Linux Counter. http://counter.li.org
ID # 123538
Completed more work units than: 98.805% of seti users +/- 0.01%.
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.security,comp.os.linux.setup
From: "ne..." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Memory leak?
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 20:51:11 GMT
On Nov 13, 2000 at 14:58, Greg Engel eloquently wrote:
>Andreas K�h�ri wrote:
>
>> Is this a real memory leak or are you viewing "buffered" and "cached"
>> memory as "unavailable"?
>
>top shows the following:
>
>> 2:56pm up 23:18, 5 users, load average: 0.10, 0.05, 0.15
>> 77 processes: 76 sleeping, 1 running, 0 zombie, 0 stopped
>> CPU0 states: 1.3% user, 1.2% system, 0.0% nice, 96.3% idle
>> CPU1 states: 2.0% user, 0.4% system, 0.0% nice, 97.0% idle
>> Mem: 255312K av, 227232K used, 28080K free, 0K shrd, 13920K
>> buff
>> Swap: 248996K av, 12K used, 248984K free 133448K
>> cached
>
>It's the "Mem used" section that was bothering me as it steadily grows from
>72MB up to this 230MB value that you see here. Perhaps I'm just watching
>my cache fill up?
There's nothing wrong. When you boot the system and start
using programs, they get loaded into memory until all memory
is used up. Then swap gets used. This is why if you load, close
and reload an app, the reload is quite fast. As it is, it seems
your system is trying to make good use of it's ram and still has
some way to go.
--
Registered Linux User # 125653 (http://counter.li.org)
Pretend to spank me -- I'm a pseudo-masochist!
3:46pm up 22 days, 23:37, 10 users, load average: 0.09, 0.10, 0.05
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From: Lori Holder-Webb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: clock confusion
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 15:00:27 -0600
OK. I'm running gnome on RH 6.2 and the clock applet on the panel isn't
providing the correct time. It runs slow but not too badly. OTOH,
after 8 months, it's at least 20 minutes slow. :(
I stuck a command in my crontab invoking rdate to grab the time from the
atomic clock. Now when I type "date" it gives me the correct time and
date. However, the clock applet display in the gnome panel is still
wrong. I've looked through the documentation (such as I could find) but
haven't been able to answer the following:
1. Where does this applet grab the time from? Clearly it's not the
same place as the 'date' command, as the two yield different results on
this machine.
2. How can I make the applet display the same time as the 'date'
command does?
Appreciate any help, it's a Small Thing but makes such a big difference
when one has to trot off and hold classes...
Thanks
Lori
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From: mike <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: X-Windows trys to start and then crashes
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 21:19:03 GMT
Hi,
I am running Redhat 6.1 on a 386 type machine a NexGen 586, I am
told.
The error message I get is the following
-FontTransocketUNIXConnect: can't connect" errno = 111
failed to set default font 'unix/:-1'
Fatal server error:
could not open default font 'fixed'
X connection to :0.0 broken (explicit kill or server shutdown)
Thanks
Mike
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From: "Stuart D. Gathman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux/UNIX=Windows
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 16:14:53 -0500
Steve Wolfe wrote:
> I dunno, Netscape for linux can bring the machine to a halt that can only
> be solved by the power switch. I'm not bashing Linux, just being realistic.
This does not technically halt the machine - just the X server. At
home, I keep a dumb terminal connected to a serial port to correct
netscape crashes. (I also enjoy using dumb terminals.) At work,
telnetting in from another machine does the same thing. Admittedly,
this is not ideal when you don't *have* another terminal or another
machine. However, almost all X server crashes will still let you press
Ctrl-Alt-Backspace to kill the X server and restart it.
What Linux needs is a button somewhere that is monitored at a low level
and cannot be overridden by the X server and that means "the X server
has gone haywire - kill it".
This won't help Windows, because the GUI is inseparable from the kernel.
--
Stuart D. Gathman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Business Management Systems Inc. Phone: 703 591-0911 Fax: 703 591-6154
"Microsoft is the QWERTY of Operating Systems" - SDG
"Confutatis maledictis, flamis acribus addictis" - Mozart background
song
for a Microsoft sponsored "Where do you want to go from here?"
commercial.
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From: Bill Moseley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Help Replacing libraries
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 12:31:52 -0800
I need a quick primer on how to update a library.
Maybe what I really need to understand is how to make .so libraries. Or
dependencies, or why I'm not on some beach in the tropics instead.
I started by trying to install the Perl GD module. It's not building
for reasons I'm not sure about. It seems like SuSE's installed libjpeg
or libgd is out of date.
So, I'm now trying to install an updated version of libgd from source on
my SuSE 6.3. libgd and libjpeg were already installed on my machine, so
it seems like I'm having conflicts between different versions.
I can build libjpeg from source without any problem. (more details can
be found at http://x73.deja.com/threadmsg_ct.xp?AN=692526026 )
It was suggested to me to use my distribution's package program (Yast,
which I assume is a front-end to rpm) to remove the libgd and libjpeg.
I've done that, but the libaries are still on my machine:
ll /usr/lib/libj* libgd.*
178188 Nov 8 1999 /usr/lib/libjpeg.a
16 Nov 13 12:16 /usr/lib/libjpeg.so -> libjpeg.so.6.0.1
16 Nov 13 12:16 /usr/lib/libjpeg.so.6 -> libjpeg.so.6.0.1
156416 Nov 8 1999 /usr/lib/libjpeg.so.6.0.1
196888 Nov 10 17:04 libgd.a
So I assume there some dependencies that's keeping those from being
removed -- even though YaST tells me that it was removed. Argh.
I can manually delete the libjpeg.so* files and build libjpeg from
source, but I'm unclear how to make the .so files from the source. If
there are other programs that use the libjpeg.so* libaries then I'd
think I'd need to replace them.
Frankly, I'm just plain confused and this all seems much more difficult
than I know it is. As someone that likes to build from source, I'm not
that hot on either rpm or big linux distributions.
Can anyone help?
--
Bill Moseley
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus)
Subject: Re: True GTK+ will eliminate Qt in next few years?
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 20:15:58 +0100
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It was the Mon, 13 Nov 2000 01:31:03 +0000...
...and Garry Knight <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I understand that Borland Inprise have done some kind of deal with
> Trolltech to incorporate QT into their Kylix project, but don't quote
> me on it as I've forgotten the details. There should be something about
> it somewhere on their site. If Kylix takes off maybe it will breathe
> new life into QT.
Kylix is also getting GNOME support (GTK+ support, that is). At least
I think that's what'll happen, since Borland are pondering to release
the Kylix source code to the GNOME Foundation.
mawa
--
explanolution, n.:
The pseudo-scientific contortions that culty science-fiction shows
must go through to explain why all the alien races look the same,
the real reason being the show had a low budget in the sixties.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.linux.x,comp.unix.solaris
Subject: Re: True GTK+ will eliminate Qt in next few years?
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 20:18:09 +0100
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It was the Sun, 12 Nov 2000 17:29:06 -0600...
...and Erik Funkenbusch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> There is a C++ wrapper for GTK+ called GTK--, but so far it hasn't seemed to
> gain much acceptance.
That's because it's been moving too fast to be adopted; the API kept
changing all the time as more and more GNOME features were
encapsulated using the proper C++ mimics. At the beginning, Gtk-- and
Gnome-- were hardly more than a wrapper that turned GTK objects into
classes. Now it does namespaces, inheritance, it has libsig++ which
wraps signals cleanly, it does overloading etc.
Alas, soon Gtk--/Gnome-- will move again as the GNOME 2.0 platform is
introduced. Hopefully then it'll be at some kind of final point.
mawa
--
explanolution, n.:
The pseudo-scientific contortions that culty science-fiction shows
must go through to explain why all the alien races look the same,
the real reason being the show had a low budget in the sixties.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.linux.x,comp.unix.solaris
Subject: Re: True GTK+ will eliminate Qt in next few years?
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 20:18:47 +0100
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It was the 13 Nov 2000 00:09:55 +0100...
...and Paul Seelig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> But above all, users as well as programmers have won, because the
> silly flamewars regarding Qt/GTK+ have become obsolete with Qt's
> GPL'ization. It's not the toolkit, man, it's the *apps*!
>
> And both Qt-based KDE1.x/2.x and GTK+-based GNOME seem to be quite
> popular and healthsome among users/programmers. I guess this looks
> luckily more like a double win-win situation for *both* toolkits.
I couldn't agree more.
mawa
--
Face it, Bill Gates is a Persian cat and a monocle away from being
a villain in a James Bond movie.
-- Dennis Miller
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From: Greg Engel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.security,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Memory leak?
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 16:16:54 -0500
Many thanks to those of you who responded -- I'm relieved to see that I was
just missing the boat. ...and it's nice to have a better understanding of
the inner workings of this thing to boot.
Sincerely,
Greg Engel
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From: mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.linux.x,comp.unix.solaris
Subject: Re: True GTK+ will eliminate Qt in next few years?
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 16:38:53 -0500
James Hutchins wrote:
>
> Remember how Motif became the darling and crowded out all of its
> competitors within very few years? Is that what will happen with GTK+ and
> Qt?
>
> I was about to switch from Motif to Qt, but have gotten advice from
> several sources suggesting Qt failed to get adopted as the darling of the
> unix community and GTK+ has succeeded, so Qt will not be around, or will
> be a hanger-on.
>
> Seems like when a tool doesn't "win", all kinds of things happen, like
> ancilliary tools don't get developed for it, it isn't kept up with new
> developments, good books about it (and about using various tools in
> conjunction with it, like databases, graphics libraries, etc.) don't
> appear, etc.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> Jim
I have looked at both gtk and qt, I am amazed that gtk is not ridiculed
more.
The one thing I think is silly about the current open source mentality
is that many of them, particularly the gnome people, are passionately
anti-c++. I do not understand why. The whole gnome infrastructure seems
to go through hoops to accomplish what C++ gives you for free, and
despite arguments to the contrary, C++ can do all the neat and efficient
things that C can do, the same way. So, using C++, as a C with classes,
would have made the whole gnome project much more robust and readable.
Why they had to implement their own object oriented class environment in
C, when the same compiler could compile C++ code, just seems silly. I
can think of no rational, reasonable argument for their decision. I
would love to debate that with someone, but I have yet to hear any
defensible reasoning.
I wouldn't put one minute's worth of code towards the GTK. QT/KDE is
better.
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From: Eduardo Chappa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.os.linux,alt.os.linux.dial-up,alt.uu.comp.os.linux.questions,linux.redhat.misc,linux.redhat.ppp
Subject: Re: retreiving mail and news from isp
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 13:34:24 -0800
*** Benjamin Autin ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote on Nov 11, 2000:
:) How do you get your email and newsgroups from your ISP in Linux? This will
:) aid me very much when I need help as I don't always have to reboot to
:) Windows to get answers.
Use Pine, Pine allows you to retrieve mail from any POP/IMAP server. Get
Pine from http://www.washington.edu/pine/.
--
Eduardo
http://www.math.washington.edu/~chappa/pine/
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