Linux-Misc Digest #517, Volume #26 Sun, 10 Dec 00 22:13:02 EST
Contents:
syslogd reset (stroller)
Re: BTTV and Sound Support ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: cdrecord - CD Writer (Dances With Crows)
Re: The best SQL server (Dances With Crows)
Newbie makes blunder with diald! ("David Quinn")
Re: Considering Linux. Advantages over Solaris? Which version? (Scooter)
Re: Linux Scripting (Neil Cherry)
Re: Error mounting floppy, it says /dev/fd0 not a block device. (David)
Re: Considering Linux. Advantages over Solaris? Which version? (ray carpenter)
Re: Considering Linux. Advantages over Solaris? Which version? (Dances With Crows)
Re: Considering Linux. Advantages over Solaris? Which version? (Noble Pepper)
Re: Considering Linux. Advantages over Solaris? Which version? ("Garry Heaton")
Re: Considering Linux. Advantages over Solaris? Which version? ("Garry Heaton")
Re: The best SQL server ("WME")
Re: Considering Linux. Advantages over Solaris? Which version? ("Garry Heaton")
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From: stroller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: syslogd reset
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 23:57:19 GMT
hi,
syslogd seems to keep resetting all my /var/log/* files like messages
or secure etc.
i can't find the cron/at/? command that is sending the message to
syslogd to reset. can anyone tell me where this is being set?
the reset seems to happen every week but there is nothing in
cron.weekly to make this happen.
here is what is in /var/log/messages today
Dec 10 07:51:56 centurion syslogd 1.3-3: restart.
Dec 10 07:51:56 centurion syslogd 1.3-3: restart.
Dec 10 07:51:56 centurion syslogd 1.3-3: restart.
Dec 10 07:51:56 centurion syslogd 1.3-3: restart.
Dec 10 07:51:56 centurion syslogd 1.3-3: restart.
i'm running redhat 6.2
appreciate any feedback.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: BTTV and Sound Support
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 00:10:21 GMT
Eric Wyles <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Adam,
> Thanks for the suggestion, but I think it is due to lack of drivers. Yes, I
> can get sound under Windows. FYI, I have the card connected through the CD
> audio channels of my sound card.
> The bttv module in linux does try to load everything I need, but it fails
> when it tries msp3400. I checked the card and couldn't find any msp3400
> chips on the card, so I think my sound needs to come from some other driver.
> Any other ideas?
Nothing comes to my mind... I'd suggest taking a look at the V4L
website: http://roadrunner.swansea.uk.linux.org/v4l.shtml
and the pages for the bttv driver:
http://www.thp.uni-koeln.de/~rjkm/linux/bttv.html
You might want to try getting in touch with the authors of the driver to
see if they've ever heard of those chips you mentioned.
Adam
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dances With Crows)
Subject: Re: cdrecord - CD Writer
Date: 11 Dec 2000 00:13:23 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[followups set]
On Sun, 10 Dec 2000 22:03:02 GMT, Sean W Gaiser staggered into the
Black Sun and said:
>I am trying to install an HP CD-Writer to my Redhat Linux 6.2 machine.
>I have downloaded cdrecord package but I am have some problems
>installing it. When I run cdrecord -scanbus, it tells me It is unable
>to open the SCSI port. I need to load those modules. I can't find any
>good documentation on where to find these modules, how to compile them
>if I need to, and which files to configure to have them load up.
>
>Any information, and pionters in the right direction would be much
>appreciated.
http://linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/CD-Writing-HOWTO.html tells you everything you
need to know.
Search the NG mentioned in this msg's FOllowup-To: line for "CD-Writer"
for shorter explanations. I've posted at least one or 2 in the past 6
months, and so have others. On a modern distro, it's often as simple as
booting with "linux hdX=ide-scsi" and doing "modprobe ide-scsi" before
using cdrecord. Check http://deja.com/home_ps.shtml or the HOWTO first
if you have any further questions.
--
Matt G|There is no Darkness in Eternity/But only Light too dim for us to see
Brainbench MVP for Linux Admin / Workin' in a code mine, hittin' Ctrl-Alt
http://www.brainbench.com / Workin' in a code mine, whoops!
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dances With Crows)
Subject: Re: The best SQL server
Date: 11 Dec 2000 00:13:24 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>On Sun, 10 Dec 2000 19:40:10 GMT, WME staggered into the Black Sun and said:
>> Define "better" first. MySQL is optimized for the case where most
>> queries are just SELECTing and not UPDATE or INSERTing. MySQL is
>> supposed to be faster in general than other database engines, but that
>> may not be as true as it was. Postgres has transactions, which are beta
>> in MySQL. There was an article on Slashdot recently that discussed the
>> question of whether Postgres or MySQL was better, and it generated a
>> whole lot of flamage.
>My question should've been, why is MySQL more popular?
>By the way, does MySQL have a GUI (an MS-SQL style or so)?
MySQL is incredibly easy to install. rpm -Uvh mysql*.rpm and you're
set. (Unlike Oracle, which requires a brain-damaged Java frontend that
segfaults all the time.) PHP and Perl have nice functions for accessing
MySQL databases. For some time, MySQL was faster than Postgres for many
things. All these things helped MySQL get popular.
MySQL is a *database engine*. In keeping with the Unix tradition of
making reasonably small components that can interact with other
reasonably small components, it doesn't have (many) non-essential
things bundled with it. It ships with a command-line SQL interpreter,
of course, but if you want a GUI frontend, check Freshmeat for "GUI
MySQL". It's browser-based and probably requires PHP+Apache to be
installed as well; think it's called "pgsqladmin" but I could be wrong.
HTH.
--
Matt G|There is no Darkness in Eternity/But only Light too dim for us to see
Brainbench MVP for Linux Admin / Workin' in a code mine, hittin' Ctrl-Alt
http://www.brainbench.com / Workin' in a code mine, whoops!
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From: "David Quinn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Newbie makes blunder with diald!
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 00:12:28 -0000
I just thought I'd share my lastest linux blunder with you.
Having setup diald (or so i thought) I ran it an it dialed my modem. I
heard a voice on the other end of the phone so switched the modem off. I
then checked the messages log to see what had happened. It showed my modem
dialling '999111999' - I had forgotten to change the phone number in the
connect script.
It then occurred to me that here in the UK, dialling 999111999 would connect
you to 999, i.e. our emergency services! So I picked up the phone to check
that it had hung up, only to find the emergency services on the other end
trying to get a reply from me, clearly thinking something has happened to
me!
Trying to apologise to them for a piece of misconfigured software calling
them while someone may be dying on the other line is a humbling experience
and not one I would wish anyone to repeat, although for all I know people
have made the same mistake before.
If you're about to setup diald (or any other software that uses your
modem) - CHECK THE PHONE NUMBERS!!!
PS: If any of you have anything to do with developing communications
applications, please use a blank entry for your default phone numbers -
where did 999111999 come from?
Regards
David Quinn
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From: Scooter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Considering Linux. Advantages over Solaris? Which version?
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 19:13:03 -0500
Garry Heaton wrote:
> I want to run a UNIX flavour in order to optimise Perl development. Is Linux
> easier to use than Solaris? I saw Red Hat 7 listed at �120 which isn't
> exactly "free" as the open source movement suggests. On the other hand I
> don't want to install an inferior version of Linux just because it's
> cheaper/free. Is Red Hat worth the money? Which other Linux versions are
> worth considering and what are the trade-offs?
>
> Thanks
>
> Garry Heaton
If you are willing to forego Red Hat support, you can purchase the same Red Hat
distribution from a competing site such as www.cheapbytes.com at vastly reduced
prices -- about 2 to 3 pounds if I am figuring the exchange rate correctly.
This is legal, due to the terms of the Gnu Public License. Of course, you will
not receive technical support from Red Hat unless you purchase their official
product.
Re. ease of use vs. Solaris, I cannot speak to that as I have only worked a
couple of months in a Solaris environment, and only development at that -- no
system adminstration.
Best of luck.
Scott F. Williams
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Neil Cherry)
Subject: Re: Linux Scripting
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 00:22:30 GMT
On Sun, 10 Dec 2000 23:30:08 -0000, DJohnson wrote:
>I wrote a scipt in Linux and either I don't know how to get it to execute
>or I've written it wrong. The script is below. Thanks
>count=0
>for i in `ls -l`
>do
>if [ -d $i ]
>then
>count=`exp ^ $count +1`
>fi
>done
>echo $count
I'll assume you want to count directories, first the "if [ -d $i ]"
needs a " ; " (not the space before, I like to put the then after it
so I add another space). Next I have no idea what exp is. If it's expr
then you'll need to man page it and see what else you're doing wrong.
--
Linux Home Automation Neil Cherry [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://members.home.net/ncherry (Text only)
http://meltingpot.fortunecity.com/lightsey/52 (Graphics)
http://linuxha.sourceforge.net/ (SourceForge)
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From: David <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Error mounting floppy, it says /dev/fd0 not a block device.
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 00:24:23 GMT
Evan Panagiotopoulos wrote:
>
> I type the command: mount -t vfat /dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy and I get the error,
> "mount: /dev/fd0 is not a valid block device."
> How do I mount the floppy?
>
> --
> Evan Panagiotopoulos
> Technology, Library and Media Director
> Poughkeepsie City School District
vfat is usually used for a windoz hard drive partition.
Try: mount -t msdos /dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy
OR: mount -t ext2 /dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy
--
Confucius say: He who play in root, eventually kill tree.
Registered with the Linux Counter. http://counter.li.org
ID # 123538
Completed more work units than 98.885% of seti users. +/- 0.01%
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From: ray carpenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Considering Linux. Advantages over Solaris? Which version?
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 17:30:54 -0700
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Sun, 10 Dec 2000 23:55:03 -0000, "Garry Heaton"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I want to run a UNIX flavour in order to optimise Perl development. Is Linux
>easier to use than Solaris? I saw Red Hat 7 listed at �120 which isn't
>exactly "free" as the open source movement suggests. On the other hand I
>don't want to install an inferior version of Linux just because it's
>cheaper/free. Is Red Hat worth the money? Which other Linux versions are
>worth considering and what are the trade-offs?
>
Gary,
You can download most linux distro's over the web. Problem is; the
distros are so darn big thaat you need a fast link to do it. Your
best bet is the buy the GPL version of your favorite distro - one of
the best places I have found is http://cheapbytes.com (there are a
number of companies offering low cost distros on CD's).
You'll find that all of the standard distros (redhat, debian,
slackware and SUSE are quite capable of what you want to do. I think
of all these, slackware is the best distro for hard core
developers/hackers.
In my eyes, linux is a true unix. You can do just about anything with
linux that you can do with solaris, sco, aix or any other 'nix. There
are a few significant differences between linux and other unixes --
documentation and help from a knowledgable installed user base. In my
eyes, these two things give linux a large advantage over any other
'nix.
Just my .02.......
Ray
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dances With Crows)
Subject: Re: Considering Linux. Advantages over Solaris? Which version?
Date: 11 Dec 2000 01:04:28 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Sun, 10 Dec 2000 23:55:03 -0000, Garry Heaton staggered into
the Black Sun and said:
>I want to run a UNIX flavour in order to optimise Perl development. Is Linux
>easier to use than Solaris?
It's basically Unix under the hood. The GNU utilities are the default
(and often, the only) ones available for Linux, which at least saves you
the step of getting+building+installing them under Solaris. Instead of
CDE, Linux usually has KDE or GNOME as the desktop environment running
on top of X. Both have their good points.
Administration of a Linux system is *different* from a SOlaris system,
but it's not overly hard to adjust, since it's all Unix under the hood.
Many things behave like BSD instead of SysV, which can throw people off,
since the init script layout is SysV (except on Slack) but you get used to
the little weirdnesses. (Let's not get into the /devices vs. /dev
thing....)
>I saw Red Hat 7 listed at �120 which isn't
>exactly "free" as the open source movement suggests. On the other hand I
>don't want to install an inferior version of Linux just because it's
>cheaper/free. Is Red Hat worth the money?
RedHat's X.0 releases often qualify as "inferior versions". $120 sounds
awfully high to me! If you know someone with a RedHat CD and a CD-R(W),
have them burn you a copy. Cost=$2, and the GPL allows it. Or go
through http://cheapbytes.com/ though overseas shipping can take a few
days and pump the price up to about $20....
>Which other Linux versions are worth considering and what are the
>trade-offs?
(this is a very superficial view!)
RedHat: Used by lots of people. Buggy .0 releases. Weird "user
private groups" thing. Stable once you've learned its idiosnycrasies.
Seems to be aiming at the server end.
SuSE: Popular in Europe. Comes with everything plus the kitchen sink.
Puts some things in weird places. Not bad for either server or desktop,
once you've customized it a bit.
Mandrake: Easy to install, optimized for 586 or better i386 processors.
Concentrates on the desktop end of things.
Debian: Bloody nifty packaging system. Caters to Free Software
purists.
Slack: "The Real Man's Linux". Barebones yet highly customizable, caters
to people who really know what they're doing.
--
Matt G|There is no Darkness in Eternity/But only Light too dim for us to see
Brainbench MVP for Linux Admin / Workin' in a code mine, hittin' Ctrl-Alt
http://www.brainbench.com / Workin' in a code mine, whoops!
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From: Noble Pepper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Considering Linux. Advantages over Solaris? Which version?
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 19:21:52 -0600
Garry Heaton wrote:
> I want to run a UNIX flavour in order to optimise Perl development. Is
> Linux easier to use than Solaris? I saw Red Hat 7 listed at �120 which
> isn't exactly "free" as the open source movement suggests. On the other
> hand I don't want to install an inferior version of Linux just because
> it's cheaper/free. Is Red Hat worth the money? Which other Linux versions
> are worth considering and what are the trade-offs?
>
> Thanks
>
> Garry Heaton
>
>
>
I have never seen a distro over $50 here in the colonies, Mandrake 7.2 was
$30 when I looked this morning. I would be glad put one in the post for a
nominal fee (1 keg of mild perchance?).
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From: "Garry Heaton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Considering Linux. Advantages over Solaris? Which version?
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 00:56:12 -0000
Just checked "cheapbytes" but the Standard Edition of Red Hat 7 was listed
at $29 = �21 plust $23 = �16 shipping. Where did you see the �2/3 offer? Are
there any European/UK sites which offer similar deals?
Thanks Scott
Garry
"Scooter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Garry Heaton wrote:
>
> > I want to run a UNIX flavour in order to optimise Perl development. Is
Linux
> > easier to use than Solaris? I saw Red Hat 7 listed at �120 which isn't
> > exactly "free" as the open source movement suggests. On the other hand I
> > don't want to install an inferior version of Linux just because it's
> > cheaper/free. Is Red Hat worth the money? Which other Linux versions are
> > worth considering and what are the trade-offs?
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Garry Heaton
>
> If you are willing to forego Red Hat support, you can purchase the same
Red Hat
> distribution from a competing site such as www.cheapbytes.com at vastly
reduced
> prices -- about 2 to 3 pounds if I am figuring the exchange rate
correctly.
> This is legal, due to the terms of the Gnu Public License. Of course, you
will
> not receive technical support from Red Hat unless you purchase their
official
> product.
>
> Re. ease of use vs. Solaris, I cannot speak to that as I have only worked
a
> couple of months in a Solaris environment, and only development at that --
no
> system adminstration.
>
> Best of luck.
>
> Scott F. Williams
>
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From: "Garry Heaton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Considering Linux. Advantages over Solaris? Which version?
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 00:59:23 -0000
Sorry Scott, just found the other Red Hat offer listed above.
Regards
Garry
"Scooter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Garry Heaton wrote:
>
> > I want to run a UNIX flavour in order to optimise Perl development. Is
Linux
> > easier to use than Solaris? I saw Red Hat 7 listed at �120 which isn't
> > exactly "free" as the open source movement suggests. On the other hand I
> > don't want to install an inferior version of Linux just because it's
> > cheaper/free. Is Red Hat worth the money? Which other Linux versions are
> > worth considering and what are the trade-offs?
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Garry Heaton
>
> If you are willing to forego Red Hat support, you can purchase the same
Red Hat
> distribution from a competing site such as www.cheapbytes.com at vastly
reduced
> prices -- about 2 to 3 pounds if I am figuring the exchange rate
correctly.
> This is legal, due to the terms of the Gnu Public License. Of course, you
will
> not receive technical support from Red Hat unless you purchase their
official
> product.
>
> Re. ease of use vs. Solaris, I cannot speak to that as I have only worked
a
> couple of months in a Solaris environment, and only development at that --
no
> system adminstration.
>
> Best of luck.
>
> Scott F. Williams
>
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From: "WME" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The best SQL server
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 02:47:26 GMT
I should go with the crowd then. I'm already burnt from using Slackware
instead of redhat. Every answer on the net favors Redhat.
: )
>
> MySQL is incredibly easy to install. rpm -Uvh mysql*.rpm and you're
> set. (Unlike Oracle, which requires a brain-damaged Java frontend that
> segfaults all the time.) PHP and Perl have nice functions for accessing
> MySQL databases. For some time, MySQL was faster than Postgres for many
> things. All these things helped MySQL get popular.
>
> MySQL is a *database engine*. In keeping with the Unix tradition of
> making reasonably small components that can interact with other
> reasonably small components, it doesn't have (many) non-essential
> things bundled with it. It ships with a command-line SQL interpreter,
> of course, but if you want a GUI frontend, check Freshmeat for "GUI
> MySQL". It's browser-based and probably requires PHP+Apache to be
> installed as well; think it's called "pgsqladmin" but I could be wrong.
> HTH.
>
> --
> Matt G|There is no Darkness in Eternity/But only Light too dim for us to
see
> Brainbench MVP for Linux Admin / Workin' in a code mine, hittin' Ctrl-Alt
> http://www.brainbench.com / Workin' in a code mine, whoops!
> -----------------------------/ I hit a seg fault....
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From: "Garry Heaton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Considering Linux. Advantages over Solaris? Which version?
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 02:59:29 -0000
Thanks Noble. Just seen a GPL site www.linux123.co.uk offering 5-CD Red Hat
7.0 copies in the UK for only �10 + �1 postage. Can't believe it! Next post
will probably be an installation question.
Thanks all.
Garry
"Noble Pepper" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:911a7o$q17$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Garry Heaton wrote:
>
> > I want to run a UNIX flavour in order to optimise Perl development. Is
> > Linux easier to use than Solaris? I saw Red Hat 7 listed at �120 which
> > isn't exactly "free" as the open source movement suggests. On the other
> > hand I don't want to install an inferior version of Linux just because
> > it's cheaper/free. Is Red Hat worth the money? Which other Linux
versions
> > are worth considering and what are the trade-offs?
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Garry Heaton
> >
> >
> >
> I have never seen a distro over $50 here in the colonies, Mandrake 7.2 was
> $30 when I looked this morning. I would be glad put one in the post for a
> nominal fee (1 keg of mild perchance?).
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