Linux-Misc Digest #633, Volume #26               Mon, 25 Dec 00 00:13:02 EST

Contents:
  Re: folder size (phil)
  Re: fsck does..boot doesn't (phil)
  Re: Microsoft Shares Tumble. Is LINUX to blame? (Roger Blake)
  Re: DVD software for Linux yet? (Roger Blake)
  Re: how to detect when a CDROM is loaded? (phil)
  Re: Can't find library as user (Ellen Geertsema)
  Please help.  modules & kernel & pcmcia (Eachep)
  Re: Can't find library as user (Ellen Geertsema)
  Re: Kill this thing - how? (phil)
  Re: Kill this thing - how? (Jean-David Beyer)
  Re: Burnt CD Quality? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
  Re: New Motherboard ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
  Install KDE2.0.1 over KDE1.1 (dad)
  Re: ELF and Motif (Jonathan Jefferies)
  Re: Microsoft Shares Tumble. Is LINUX to blame? (Carl Fink)
  Re: Install KDE2.0.1 over KDE1.1 (Srihari Vijayaraghavan)
  Re: DVD software for Linux yet? (Hartmann Schaffer)
  Re: Can any1 tell me why I can't print postscript ? (Bryan Hoyt)
  Re: print prob's (Bryan Hoyt)
  Re: The disadvantage of the 'fmt' program (Bryan Hoyt)
  Re: Upgrade to rpm 4.0 has problems (Bryan Hoyt)
  Re: Xwrapper on Xfree4.0.2 (Vincent Zweije)
  Re: Kill this thing - how? (Floyd Davidson)
  Re: Mount /tmp in swap (phil)

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (phil)
Subject: Re: folder size
Date: 25 Dec 2000 02:13:51 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

marc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Does anyone know a way to get the size of a folder and all its 
> subfolders even if it's very small let's say less than 100k. usualy I 
> use du but it doesn't work well if the folder is too small.

du -skh /path/to/folder
Phil.

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (phil)
Subject: Re: fsck does..boot doesn't
Date: 25 Dec 2000 02:16:43 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Brian Goodyear -[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]- spewed forth 
the following lines of wisdom:
>I added another disk (actually replaced an existing one) and now boot
>stops with the dreaded "fsck failed" after "/usr/bin/find does not
>exist".
>
>After logging on as root, I am able to "e2fsck -f -b 8193 /dev/sda hda
>hdc hdd and using Partition Magic eveything seems fine.  But no boot.
>
>At that same prompt I can change to each directory on each drive and see
>the files
>EXCEPT /mnt  and /usr.  Does that mean that /usr has dissappeared and
>that is the cause of the problem rather than an fsck problem?

Yup, that seems exactly your problem, however it's very strange that a boot
sequence is relying on the use of /usr to actually boot and fsck, sounds like
the old Solaris problem where /bin was linked to /usr/bin which wasn't mounted
when going into single user mode if /usr was on a seprate partition.

I presume the disk you replaced contained /mnt and /usr ... ? 
Phil.

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Roger Blake)
Subject: Re: Microsoft Shares Tumble. Is LINUX to blame?
Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2000 01:34:00 GMT

On Fri, 22 Dec 2000 19:10:45 GMT, Harlan Grove <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Probably not. PC sales are down compared to last year - no Y2K panic
>buying anymore. If PC sales are down, then so would be bundled Windows

That's probably the bulk of it. However, more and more businesses and
individuals are tired of Microsoft's shoddy products and arrogance.

At our office we are, as a matter of company policy, ditching Microsoft
products to the extent possible.  Our goal is to be Microsoft-free with
the exception of a few systems running specialized software that is
Windows-only. Everything else out of Redmond goes in the dumpster.

We have already been using Linux and OpenBSD for various server functions
for some time, have recently replaced Microsoft Office with Star Office,
and are now starting to replace Windows with Linux on the desktop. New
servers will be Linux or BSD based.

Admittedly it has not been easy, weaning users off of MS Office and Windows
is kind of like getting junkies off of crack cocaine...

-- 
  Roger Blake
  (remove second "g" and second "m" from address for email)

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Roger Blake)
Subject: Re: DVD software for Linux yet?
Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2000 01:39:53 GMT

On Sat, 23 Dec 2000 23:45:54 GMT, E J <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I hope the DeCSS software is finally legal to use on Linux.
>I would like to watch my DVD on Linux box.

While I sympathize, for the life of me I really can't figure out
why anyone would want to sit in front of his or her computer to watch
a movie. Makes no sense to me whatsoever. (Then again I'm not a fan
of digital media in general. Frankly I don't even have a CD player
in my HiFi set.)

-- 
  Roger Blake
  (remove second "g" and second "m" from address for email)

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (phil)
Subject: Re: how to detect when a CDROM is loaded?
Date: 25 Dec 2000 02:46:03 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Tom Hoffmann -[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]- spewed forth 
the following lines of wisdom:
>>... but if the user inserts an audio CD ...
>
>audio CD? What script would you want to run against an audio CD?

I'm not sure why you guys are really lost on this? Sounds to me like he just
wants to have an auto-play like in Windows (for whatever his own reasons are).
This would probably mean having to use ioctl calls to check whether there's a
CD in the drive, these were relatively new functions, not sure if they still
exist.
I think you're going to have to delve into C to do this one, might wanna have
a look at the Workman code, it does this checking for you.
Phil.

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ellen Geertsema)
Subject: Re: Can't find library as user
Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2000 02:13:31 +0000 (UTC)
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

On Sun, 24 Dec 2000 14:47:23 -0700,
Bob van der Poel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>       bob$ xmcd
>       xmcd: can't load library 'libxalflaunch.so.0'
>
>The library does exist, and it's permissions seem to be okay:
>
>       bob $ ls /usr/lib/libxalfl* -l
>       lrwxrwxrwx    1 root     root           22 Dec 10 07:44
>/usr/lib/libxalflaunch.so.0 -> libxalflaunch.so.0.0.1*
>       -rwxr-xr-x    1 root     root         5304 Oct  3 16:20
>/usr/lib/libxalflaunch.so.0.0.1*
>
>So, could a library calling this be the problem??? Any ideas
>appreciated!
>
>BTW, xmcd uses:
>
>       [root@localhost xmcd]# ldd /usr/bin/X11/xmcd
>        libXt.so.6 => /usr/i486-linux-libc5/lib/libXt.so.6 (0x40015000)
>        libX11.so.6 => /usr/i486-linux-libc5/lib/libX11.so.6
>(0x40053000)
>        libc.so.5 => /usr/i486-linux-libc5/lib/libc.so.5 (0x400e5000)
>        libSM.so.6 => /usr/i486-linux-libc5/lib/libSM.so.6 (0x401ae000)
>        libICE.so.6 => /usr/i486-linux-libc5/lib/libICE.so.6
>(0x401b6000)

Looks like xmcd is linked against libc5, but libxalflaunch.so might be
linked against glibc (check with ldd).  You might need to install a
libc5 version of libxalflaunch.so in /usr/i486-linux-libc5/lib/ , and
then run ldconfig ...

Hope this helps,

Ellen
-- 

Ellen Geertsema               "All my life I wanted to be someone;
[EMAIL PROTECTED]            I guess I should have been more specific."
                                                   -- Jane Wagner


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Eachep)
Crossposted-To: linux.debian.user,comp.os.linux.portable,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Please help.  modules & kernel & pcmcia
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2000 02:15:26 GMT

[Sorry if you've already seen this.]

Details below.

I'm running slink (I'll upgrade soon, but it's happy now), and I'm
having a bit of a problem understanding what's going on with my home
built kernel and pcmcia and modules.

Am I supposed to rm pcmcia-cs before installing my custom rebuilt
module package?  Is a new pcmcia-cs installed when I install my new
modules .deb?

My concern is that all connectivity disappears when I lose pcmcia
modules, which could make it ugly to recover.

I used make-kpkg to build a kernel-image.deb and modules-image.deb,
and apt-get tells me to use -f on pcmcia-cs, which fails to resolve
the problem.

If pcmcia-cs isn't reinstalled with my modules-image.deb, where do I
find one that will match my custom kernel and modules?

I've also gone into dselect to put the bunch of them on hold, and
dselect just (figuratively speaking) beeps at me.

Thanks for any suggestions you might offer.


  ---------------------------------
  
  
topquark |root| /usr/src_ apt-get dist-upgrade
Reading Package Lists... Done
Building Dependency Tree... Done
You might want to run `apt-get -f install' to correct these.
Sorry, but the following packages have unmet dependencies:
  pcmcia-modules-2.0.36: Depends: pcmcia-cs (= 3.0.5-10) but \
            3.0.5-10.slink.1 is installed
E: Unmet dependencies. Try using -f.


topquark |root| /usr/src_ dpkg -i \
     pcmcia-modules-2.0.36_3.0.5-10+Custom.6.0_i386.deb
(Reading database ... 20688 files and directories currently installed.)
Preparing to replace pcmcia-modules-2.0.36 3.0.5-10+Custom.5.0 \
     (using pcmcia-modules-2.0.36_3.0.5-10+Custom.6.0_i386.deb) ...
Unpacking replacement pcmcia-modules-2.0.36 ...
dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of pcmcia-modules-2.0.36:
 pcmcia-modules-2.0.36 depends on pcmcia-cs (= 3.0.5-10); however:
  Version of pcmcia-cs on system is 3.0.5-10.slink.1.
dpkg: error processing pcmcia-modules-2.0.36 (--install):
 dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
Errors were encountered while processing:
 pcmcia-modules-2.0.36

topquark |root| /root_ dpkg -l | egrep pcmcia\|kernel
ii  kernel-headers- 2.0.36-3       Header files related to a specific Linux ker
ii  kernel-image-2. Custom.7       Linux kernel binary image.
ii  kernel-package  6.05           Debian Linux kernel package build scripts.
ii  kernel-source-2 2.0.36-3       Linux kernel source.
ii  pcmcia-cs       3.0.5-10.slink PCMCIA Card Services for Linux.
ii  pcmcia-modules- 3.0.5-10+Custo PCMCIA Modules for Linux (kernel 2.0.36).
ii  pcmcia-source   3.0.5-10.slink PCMCIA Card Services source.


-- 

 Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced.
     TopQuark Software & Serv.  Contract programmer, server bum.  
    [EMAIL PROTECTED] Give up Spammers; I use procmail.

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ellen Geertsema)
Subject: Re: Can't find library as user
Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2000 02:18:45 +0000 (UTC)
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]


Oops, I noticed that it does run when you're root.  Do normal users
have read and execute permissions in /usr/lib?  Do they have an
alias that points to a different version of xmcd?  (try "which xmcd",
both as root and as a normal user)

Ellen
-- 

Ellen Geertsema               "All my life I wanted to be someone;
[EMAIL PROTECTED]            I guess I should have been more specific."
                                                   -- Jane Wagner


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (phil)
Subject: Re: Kill this thing - how?
Date: 25 Dec 2000 03:30:47 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Jean-David Beyer -[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]- spewed forth 
the following lines of wisdom:
>How do you kill a process on a D state without rebooting?

pstree or ps jax and find the PPID (parent process ID) and kill it.
Phil.

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From: Jean-David Beyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Kill this thing - how?
Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2000 21:59:52 -0500

phil wrote:
> 
> Jean-David Beyer -[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]- spewed forth
> the following lines of wisdom:
> >How do you kill a process on a D state without rebooting?
> 
> pstree or ps jax and find the PPID (parent process ID) and kill it.
> Phil.

I do not dare: it is init (pid 1).

-- 
 .~.  Jean-David Beyer           Registered Linux User 85642.
 /V\                             Registered Machine    73926.
/( )\ Shrewsbury, New Jersey
^^-^^ 9:55pm up 20 days, 6:42, 2 users, load average: 2.24, 2.07, 2.04

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Burnt CD Quality?
Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2000 11:13:09 GMT

David <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: Just a thought would be to upgrade to Xcdroast 98alpha8. Another would
: be to try burning one at a slower speed if you haven't already. 

Na, it's the player. Some have trouble playing CDRs. Sometimes 
cleaning the lens helps.
Also since there are varations in refectivety between the various
brands of CDRs, another brand may work.

Happy Xmas,
Friedhelm

-- 
Microsoft is NOT the answer. Microsoft is the Question.
The answer is: "NO!"
===================================================================
Friedhelm Mehnert,  Berliner Allee 42,  22850 Norderstedt,  Germany
phone + fax: +49-40-5236562        email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
===================================================================


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: New Motherboard
Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2000 11:16:19 GMT

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
: Probably a thumb question:
: Do I have to reinstall linux after a motherboard-change?

Depends, where the differences are. :-)
Usualy not.

You have to make some severe changes to your configuration.
Keep a rescue disk handy.

Happy Xmas,
Friedhelm

-- 
Microsoft is NOT the answer. Microsoft is the Question.
The answer is: "NO!"
===================================================================
Friedhelm Mehnert,  Berliner Allee 42,  22850 Norderstedt,  Germany
phone + fax: +49-40-5236562        email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
===================================================================


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From: dad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.x
Subject: Install KDE2.0.1 over KDE1.1
Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2000 22:36:06 -0500

How do I install KDE2.0.1 over KDE1.1.2.  Whenever I try with the U or F
option I receive errors about library dependencies for KDE1.1.2 and when
I try -ivh I get errors about file conflicts with the KDE1.1.2
installation.  I have tried to remove KDE1.1.2 and get dependency
errors.

I need help, I have RH6.2 and installed qt2.2.1 and libmng 0.9.2.


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From: Jonathan Jefferies <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: ELF and Motif
Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2000 21:23:03 -0800

Dances With Crows wrote:
> 
> On Sun, 17 Dec 2000 21:04:52 GMT, Jack Kaufmann staggered into the Black
> Sun and said:
> >The site for a program I wanted to download told me that I must have
> >ELF and preferably should have Motif.  Can anyone tell me anything
> >about these?  Thanks.
>

> Motif is a set of GUI widgets.  Motif stuff was fairly standard for X
> programs for a long while, but Motif was non-free for a long time and
> has largely been superseded by GTK+ and QT in the Linux/BSD world.
> There is a free implementation of Motif called LessTif, but it doesn't
> quite work with everything.  HTH,

Actually I "THINK" LessTif has been superseded by open MOTIFF
which you can download from the "OpenSource??" foundation.
Sorry but I don't have the URL here at home. It is the latest
Motif.

J.

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Carl Fink)
Subject: Re: Microsoft Shares Tumble. Is LINUX to blame?
Date: 25 Dec 2000 03:52:19 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

On Mon, 25 Dec 2000 01:34:00 GMT Roger Blake <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>At our office we are, as a matter of company policy, ditching Microsoft
>products to the extent possible...

Would it violate confidentiality to name your employer?
-- 
Carl Fink               [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I-Con's Science and Technology Programming
<http://www.iconsf.org/>

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From: Srihari Vijayaraghavan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Install KDE2.0.1 over KDE1.1
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.x
Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2000 15:27:01 +1100

dad wrote:

> How do I install KDE2.0.1 over KDE1.1.2.  Whenever I try with the U or F
> option I receive errors about library dependencies for KDE1.1.2 and when
> I try -ivh I get errors about file conflicts with the KDE1.1.2
> installation.  I have tried to remove KDE1.1.2 and get dependency
> errors.
> 
> I need help, I have RH6.2 and installed qt2.2.1 and libmng 0.9.2.
> 
Hello,

You need to un-install all the kde*, qt*, libmng* and flex* rpms first. 
Yes you will come across many dependency issues, then you need to 
un-install those conflicting rpms first, and continue on.

If you manage to remove all the above mentioned packages, then installing 
KDE 2.0.1 is really a one line command ie, # rpm -ivvh *rpm

You are likely to face KDE start-up issues, but you can get plenty of clues 
from /var/log/messages, and solve all of them.

-- 
Thank you,
Hari.

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Hartmann Schaffer)
Crossposted-To: alt.video.dvd,alt.video.dvd.software
Subject: Re: DVD software for Linux yet?
Date: 24 Dec 2000 20:04:03 -0500

In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
John Hasler  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Deherrr writes:
>> They reverse-engineered it!  The technique of deniability is called
>> "clean-roomed".  One (non-compaq employee)/contractor looks at the actual
>> code from a dump of the BIOS...

not quite sure, but i think you are wrong with your description how
clean room cloning works.  afaik the reimplementation team cannot work
from either the source code or a description of the source code they
are trying to emulate.  all they can work with is a description of the
functionality.  the second team can check whether what they produce
actually duplicates what the original code implements, but the
implementing team must be prevented from any "contamination" by
knowing anything about the original code

>I have an IBM book titled _Technical_ _Reference_ _Personal_ _Computer_.
>The first edition of this book became available within months of the
>release of the IBM pc.  It contains a BIOS source listing as well as
>complete schematics, timing digrams, and specifications: all the basic
>information needed to build a pc.  I did not have to sign any kind of NDA
>to buy this book: I just forked over $39.95 (or somesuch).  It would have
>been extremely foolish of Compaq not to use this book.  As subsequent
>events have proven, Compaq is not managed by fools.
>
>Some of the earliest clone manufacturers (Columbia, for example) didn't
>bother with the clean-room technique.  They just ripped off the IBM BIOS.
>IBM eventually threatened them with lawsuits, but by then alternatives were
>available.

the point was that the ibm bios was copyrighted, so nobody could use
it without getting permission from ibm.  if somebody wanted to
duplicate the functionality of a pc without buying a licence to use
the ibm bios they had to get a clone that actually duplicated the ibm
bios'es functionality.  afair, in the early pc days there were a few
almost pc clones (dec comes to mind) that didn't succeed because the
bios was not compatible with ibm's

hs

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bryan Hoyt)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux.mandrake
Subject: Re: Can any1 tell me why I can't print postscript ?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2000 04:31:21 GMT

Who ever said Peter T. Breuer couldn't write what follows?:
>Does *not*? I don't know what he has. I need the result of the first

Oops... Yes, I meant 'Does *not*'!

>It does. I can't make those checks for him. I can't spend time
>hypothesizing possible scenarios that might or might not fit his
>situation. I need facts.
>
>What he has said is "my car doesn't work properly", and what we are
>discussing is "his garage door is stuck".

I'm sorry. I think I must have misinterpreted what you said.

-- 

Bryan Hoyt
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.crosswinds.net/~artmusic

===================================

Old musicians never die, they just decompose.

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bryan Hoyt)
Subject: Re: print prob's
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2000 04:31:23 GMT

Who ever said ailsalogue couldn't write what follows?:
>I have a HP deskjet 320 on the parallel port using Debian.
>When I use it, it prints the first line and starts the next line at the end
>of the first line
>
>eg
>
>%testprint
>               % nextline...............
>                                             %nextline.............
>
>All I can print is the first few lines and then it want's a new piece of
>paper.
>I have tried looking at the printcap file but that hasn't shed any light.
>
>Can anyone help me with this problem or specify the correct settings in
>the relevant file?
>
>any help will be appreciated

Your problem is that Unix text and DOS text format is different. Unix text
has only a newline character at the end of the lines, and DOS requires a
linefeed. So does your printer. Basically you need to search the document
for newline characters, and replace with newline+linefeed.

Find out, if you can, where your print filters are located. Try
/usr/lib/<something_like_aps_printfilters>
I've never used aps before so I don't know what to do, but I think most
print filters take stdin and output stdout. In CUPS they take a filename
or stdin. Try adding something like:

cat - | sed -e 's/$/'echo -ne '\r''/g'

to the ascii to printer filter.

-- 

Bryan Hoyt
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.crosswinds.net/~artmusic

===================================

[It is] best to confuse only one issue at a time.
                -- K&R

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bryan Hoyt)
Subject: Re: The disadvantage of the 'fmt' program
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2000 04:31:27 GMT

Who ever said Bob Tennent couldn't write what follows?:
>You should do this kind of thing in an editor, so you can select which
>sections to re-format.  If you want more flexibility, you should look for
>a program called par:
>
>       par is a filter which copies its input to its output, changing all white
>       characters (except newlines) to spaces, and reformatting each paragraph.
>       Paragraphs  are  separated  by protected, blank, and bodiless lines (see
>       the TERMINOLOGY section for definitions), and  optionally  delimited  by
>       indentation (see the d option in the OPTIONS section).
>
>       The latest release of Par is available on the Web at:
>
>       http://www.cs.wustl.edu/~amc/Par/
>
>Bob T.

Awwww... Beautiful! Great program! Does everything I wanted and more! Thanks!

-- 

Bryan Hoyt
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.crosswinds.net/~artmusic

===================================

[It is] best to confuse only one issue at a time.
                -- K&R

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bryan Hoyt)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,alt.linux
Subject: Re: Upgrade to rpm 4.0 has problems
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2000 04:31:28 GMT

Who ever said Chet Vora couldn't write what follows?:
>Also, the reason I was trying the upgrade was that gnorpm was giving me "only
>packages with major nos <= 3 are supported by this version of RPM" when trying

        This is the catch 22 of catch 22's. I have NOT been able to find an
rpm of rpm 4.0, that was packaged with rpm <= rpm 3. I cannot compile the
source for lack of hard drive space.
        It's understandable for a distribution like RedHat to have it's rpm
4.0 rpm packaged with rpm 4.0, since that distribution (7.0) is based on rpm
4.0, AFAIK. But even on rpm.org, the upgrade was packaged with itself
seemingly. Any light?

        On a similar subject, and a slightly more understandable catch 22, I
have not been able to find a version of dpkg packed with anything other than
dpkg. Except source. (See above for why I don't want source.) Does anyone
know of a tar.gz binary of dpkg? Or an rpm binary?

-- 

Bryan Hoyt
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.crosswinds.net/~artmusic

===================================

[It is] best to confuse only one issue at a time.
                -- K&R

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From: Vincent Zweije <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.x,linux.redhat.misc
Subject: Re: Xwrapper on Xfree4.0.2
Date: 24 Dec 2000 13:53:53 +0100

* Followups to comp.os.linux.x and linux.redhat.misc only

In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, John Hanson
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

||  I upgraded my RH 7 X implementation to 4.0.2 and now all non-root
||  users must use Xwrapper instead of startx.  This is all fine and dandy
||  but now when running Xwrapper, the X server starts but there is
||  nothing on the screen except dots and one X.
||
||  All users used to run Helix-gnome and I would like to get that back
||  again.  Anyone know how to do this?  What config file does Xwrapper
||  use?  I can't find any information on this.

Xwrapper is a wrapper around X, the X server.  As such, it is a
replacement for X, and not for startx.

Startx starts an X server plus a client session.  You must make startx
use Xwrapper, where it used to use X.

Good luck.                                                    Vincent.
-- 
Vincent Zweije <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>    | "If you're flamed in a group you
<http://www.xs4all.nl/~zweije/>      | don't read, does anybody get burnt?"
[Xhost should be taken out and shot] |            -- Paul Tomblin on a.s.r.

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From: Floyd Davidson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Kill this thing - how?
Date: 24 Dec 2000 19:03:48 -0900

Jean-David Beyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>phil wrote:
>> 
>> Jean-David Beyer -[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]- spewed forth
>> the following lines of wisdom:
>> >How do you kill a process on a D state without rebooting?
>> 
>> pstree or ps jax and find the PPID (parent process ID) and kill it.
>> Phil.
>
>I do not dare: it is init (pid 1).

Why not?  It won't kill the D state process (what have you got
that shows up as D, anyway?), but it won't do much of anything
else either.

-- 
Floyd L. Davidson         <http://www.ptialaska.net/~floyd>
Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska)                 [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (phil)
Subject: Re: Mount /tmp in swap
Date: 25 Dec 2000 06:10:59 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

* Tong * -[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]- spewed forth 
the following lines of wisdom:
>$ mount
>/ on /dev/dsk/c0t0d0s0 read/write/setuid/largefiles on Tue Dec 19 21:56:18 2000
>/usr on /dev/dsk/c0t0d0s6 read/write/setuid/largefiles on Tue Dec 19 21:56:18 2000
>/proc on /proc read/write/setuid on Tue Dec 19 21:56:18 2000
>/dev/fd on fd read/write/setuid on Tue Dec 19 21:56:18 2000
>/export/home on /dev/dsk/c0t0d0s7 setuid/read/write/largefiles on Tue Dec 19 21:56:20 
>2000
>/tmp on swap read/write on Tue Dec 19 21:56:20 2000
>
>$ uname -svpr
>SunOS 5.6 Generic_105181-20 sparc
>
>See the last line "/tmp on swap"? Heeheehee, guys, got to think about
>it, 'cause Linux shouldn't be too much different from Unix. well,
>hopefully it is not, :-)

It is at kernel level and especially in fs type places as well ;)
tmpfs is the filesystem Solaris operates by default. If you actually look at
yuor /etc/vfstab (equiv of /etc/fstab under Linux) you'll see something along
the lines of
swap - /tmp tmpfs ... 

swap being the device, it's not fschk'd and /tmp being the mountpoint. The
Fs-type is tmpfs which isn't available under Linux. I know there have been
discussions in these newsgroups before and kernel-dev list IIRC about
specialized filesystems for temporary storage, but nothing as yet has
developed for Linux.
There are plus's and minus's for it, you're saving space, but you can't get
parallel activity on swap and /tmp, leaving you with less than adequate
performances when the system is under a heavy load, compared with a system
with a "real" /tmp filesystem.
Phil.

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