Linux-Misc Digest #932, Volume #26 Fri, 26 Jan 01 23:13:02 EST
Contents:
Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else (Charlie Ebert)
Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else (Craig Kelley)
Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else (Timothy J. Lee)
Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else (Mark Bratcher)
Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else (Mark Bratcher)
Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else (Mark Bratcher)
Re: How to return to Gnome GUI (Dances With Crows)
Re: how to listen to web radio ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: rpm ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Can you use "DOS" Extended ASCII in Linux ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: undoing an rpm? (Dave Brown)
Re: make menuconfig (Dave Brown)
Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else (John Hasler)
Re: Help with Bash Alias (Robert Canright)
Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else (drumvudu)
how do I mount my tape drive? ("Darren and Marla Welson")
Re: $/.bashrc aliases question... (Guy Parry)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Charlie Ebert)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else
Reply-To: Charlie Ebert:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 01:52:06 GMT
In article <94sh8j$c9c$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Steve Mading wrote:
>In comp.os.linux.advocacy Steve Withers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>: G'day
>
>: I've been following developments closely on this.
>
>: It appears that sometime this year all new Microsot software will need
>: to be registered....or it will cease to function.
>
>Well, they *claim* that this will only be an option, not a
>requirement - there will be two payment methods for software,
>the traditional buy it all up-front style, and the pay-as-you-go
>style (with automatic updates). The registration is just for
>the pay-as-you-go style. Of course I have about 0 trust in
>Microsoft to stick to this claim...
>
>: This may offer OS alternatives like Linux a huge toe in the desktop
>: door. With more and more homes being networked and having multiple PCs,
>: how many home and small business users are going to be forced to pay up
>: and stop using the "One CD fits all" approach they use today?
>
>: In my own case.....I would have to upgrade 7 home PCs every year for
>: both Windows and MS Office.....to the tune of lots of dosh per annum. As
>: it is, I now have 3 of those systems on Linux...and quite happily.
>
>: But some of my family members are reluctant to give up Windows. I may
>: have to suggest to them that they pay for it in future....as I will only
>: be paying for Linux software from 2001 onward.
>
>: It is intersting that the US produced Windows......the country with
>: one-party (two faction) politics has also given us no choice on the
>: desktop. While politically diverse Europe with multi-party, proportional
>: systems as the politcal norm, has given us Open Software and Linux....
>
>False. While it is certainly true that open software is much more
>internationally developed than Microsoft software is, the GPL was
>done in the US, the FSF (GNU) is centered in the US. Without the
>existance of GNU, Linux wouldn't have been started. The Linux kernel
>was started by a Finn who since then has moved to California,
>and today there are still a large number of US people involved,
>including "Maddog" Hall (unofficially the second in command after
>Linus, I would guess). The infamous RMS is in the US and started
>at MIT. The Gnome project was started by a Mexican. Enlightenment was
>started by an Australian, KDE was started by (I think) Germans.
>The opensource world is diverse and not US-centric, but definately
>has a *lot* of US people in it. It just doesn't have the
>disproportionate amount of US representation we are used to seeing
>in other areas. The US only accounts for 5% of the world's population,
>and so it's not surprising at all that it doesn't account for the
>majority in a system where anyone in the world can have a hand in
>participating. *No* single country has a majority of developers in
>the opensource world and that's the way it should be.
>
>
>: Sort of the illusion of freedom (US politics) vs the reality of freedom
>: (European politics - outside Britain).
>
>: There is an underlying cultural thing operating here somewhere...... :-)
>
>: Steve
>
The main reason why just about all the software and high-technology items
originate from the U.S. is we are free.
That's the bottom line.
Yet when you get into a discussion about Microsoft and it's monopolistic
powers, the definition of the U.S. get's blurred.
Charlie
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From: Craig Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else
Date: 26 Jan 2001 18:55:07 -0700
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (.) writes:
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Craig Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (.) writes:
>
> >> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Harlan Grove <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Maybe there's a good reason for literacy tests after all.
> >>
> >> Perhaps. But ill put my verbal SAT score up against yours or anyone
> >> elses, any time.
>
> > You mean << I'll >> and << else's >>? ;)
>
> No, I meant exactly what I typed. See dejanews for my multiple arguments
> for the granular use of capitals and contractions in informal prose.
I hope you didn't use it on the SAT then.
(And if we did institute literacy tests for voting, that could have
cost you your "right" right there.)
--
The wheel is turning but the hamster is dead.
Craig Kelley -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.isu.edu/~kellcrai finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP block
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Timothy J. Lee)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (this is a valid address for a limited time)
Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 02:28:38 GMT
In article <i4mc6.779$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Erik Funkenbusch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Activation doesn't require you to give any information, other than a one way
>hash code (similar to PGP public keys) generated from your hardware
>configuration.
What happens if part of the hardware of the computer is replaced by
a different component? E.g. suppose someone decides that s/he wants
to have the fancy new video card or whatever?
--
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Timothy J. Lee
Unsolicited bulk or commercial email is not welcome.
No warranty of any kind is provided with this message.
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From: Mark Bratcher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else
Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 02:40:05 GMT
Mig wrote:
>
> Thaddeus L Olczyk wrote:
>
> > On 26 Jan 2001 18:56:19 GMT, Steve Mading
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Don't forget the kernel was based on the Minix kernel written by
>
> Nonsens
>
> > Tanenbaum. I believe he was American.
>
> He is Dutch
>
Sorry to disagree, but Steve is correct. See
http://www.cs.vu.nl/~ast/home/faq.html.
Tanenbaum himself states: I was born in New York and grew up in White
Plains, NY. I went to Amsterdam as a postdoc and have sort hung around
ever since.
So he _was_ indeed a native born American and didn't move out until his
post-doc years.
Being smug usually requires a little research. ;-)
--
Mark Bratcher
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Escape from Microsoft's proprietary tentacles: use Linux!
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From: Mark Bratcher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else
Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 02:44:46 GMT
"." wrote:
>
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Harlan Grove <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > As for corrupt legislators, vote 'em out. "Oh but those nasty evil
> > corporations give so much money for TV ads." Tough. Go door to door if
> > you believe in something. Get others to do the same. Incite the
> > electorate. Don't bitch & moan. Tom Foley, then the Speaker of the US
> > House of Representatives, should have had a safe seat in congress, but
> > he was voted out in 1994 (not saying that was a good thing or not). It
> > can be done, but it does take work.
>
> Bullshit.
>
> As has been shown beyond the shadow of a doubt in the latest elections
> in the united states, your vote DOES NOT COUNT.
>
> Happy dreamworld,
>
> -----.
Sour grapes? You sound like your guy didn't get in. ;-)
Your vote does indeed count, there are just particular counting rules in
the electorate system which everyone doesn't seem to mind until an issue
like the last one comes up.
If you don't think your vote counts, then it shouldn't bother you to not
vote next time around while I go ahead and vote because that's what I
want to do.
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From: Mark Bratcher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else
Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 02:54:21 GMT
Mig wrote:
>
> Thaddeus L Olczyk wrote:
>
> > On 26 Jan 2001 18:56:19 GMT, Steve Mading
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Don't forget the kernel was based on the Minix kernel written by
>
> Nonsens
>
> > Tanenbaum. I believe he was American.
>
> He is Dutch
>
> --
> Cheers
Sorry to disagree, but Steve is correct. See
http://www.cs.vu.nl/~ast/home/faq.html.
Tanenbaum himself states: I was born in New York and grew up in White
Plains, NY. I went to Amsterdam as a postdoc and have sort hung around
ever since.
So he _was_ indeed a native born American and didn't move out until his
post-doc years.
Cheers to you. ;-)
--
Mark Bratcher
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Escape from Microsoft's proprietary tentacles: use Linux!
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dances With Crows)
Subject: Re: How to return to Gnome GUI
Date: 27 Jan 2001 03:00:02 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Sat, 27 Jan 2001 04:31:26 +0300, NG_lurker staggered into the Black
Sun and said:
>How can i return to Gnome GUI? After configuring xf86config in console
>(to fix display corruption) i rebooted and all of a sudden im staring
>at the login: prompt. Ctrl+Alt+(F1-F6) dont work, even Alt+F7. How can
>i check if my Gnome display is fine now?
You're in a non-graphical runlevel, where everything is started except
X. You can start up your preferred desktop environment by logging in
and entering "startx", or you can edit /etc/inittab and look for a line
that says something like
id:2:initdefault
Then change the number to 3 (SuSE) or 5 (RedHat and derived). No need
to reboot, you think you're running 'Doze here? "init 3" or "init 5" as
root will kick X into gear then and you can do your thing.
--
Matt G|There is no Darkness in Eternity/But only Light too dim for us to see
Brainbench MVP for Linux Admin / Workin' in a code mine, hittin' Ctrl-Alt
http://www.brainbench.com / Workin' in a code mine, whoops!
=============================/ I hit a seg fault....
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: how to listen to web radio
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 16:21:42 GMT
richard noel fell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: Aha, so that is what was missing. I tried xmms, but find no man
: pages. Is there
: a help page somewhere?
: Thanks,
: Dick Fell
Another one is mpg123.
Regards,
Friedhelm
--
Microsoft is NOT the answer. Microsoft is the Question.
The answer is: "NO!"
===================================================================
Friedhelm Mehnert, Berliner Allee 42, 22850 Norderstedt, Germany
phone + fax: +49-40-5236562 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: rpm
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 16:27:05 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
: My Linux administrator left. I need to put on an rpm file. Where can
: I find a 'How-to' on doing this?
Start with typing "man rpm" and/or "rpm --help".
Regards,
Friedhelm
--
Microsoft is NOT the answer. Microsoft is the Question.
The answer is: "NO!"
===================================================================
Friedhelm Mehnert, Berliner Allee 42, 22850 Norderstedt, Germany
phone + fax: +49-40-5236562 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Can you use "DOS" Extended ASCII in Linux
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 16:58:36 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
: OK,
: First off, I have read the man pages for ascii, iso_8859_1 (section 7
: on both). I've looked up information on setlocale. And looked up
: information on the setfont and consolechars programs in Linux.
: My background is, I am porting an old legacy application from SCO/pSOS
: to Linux. It will only be run in Linux. And it will only run in US
: English. We do our language conversions internally.
OK...
Type on the commandline:
<CTRL v> ESC)U
that is; hold down the controll key while typing the letter v;
then press the escape key; then ) and then capital U.
Ignore the complaints about "command not found". :-)
This sets the "second char set" to the PC char set.
Now you can switch to it with <CTRL N>.
Same procedure: ctrl v capital N.
To switch back to iso-latin 1:
<CTRL O>
This works only at the console, not in an xterm.
It is possible to do the switching from a script.
Haven't tried from a C-program, but should work also.
Regards,
Friedhelm
--
Microsoft is NOT the answer. Microsoft is the Question.
The answer is: "NO!"
===================================================================
Friedhelm Mehnert, Berliner Allee 42, 22850 Norderstedt, Germany
phone + fax: +49-40-5236562 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Dave Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: undoing an rpm?
Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 03:02:35 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>...
> According to a recent Security announcement I need to add an rpm. When
> I downloaded it and ran rpm -Fvh name.rpm it told me I needed another
> rpm first.
The -F option only installs the package if a lower level package is
already
installed.
> Can I trust this in terms of telling me what I need for what version
> I'm running for what hardware I'm running, etc? Are the rpm's that
> generic that they can go on any type of system for any version?
>
> The flavor I'm running is Mandrake 5.3, but on the Mandrake page where
> I went to get the rpm it doesn't even show a 5.3 version. It starts
> with 6.0. Am I safe to put a 6.0 rpm on a 5.3 installation?
Mandrake 5.3 sounds old, considering it's currently at 7.2. If the 6.0
package is a Mandrake package, you might get away with it. But the
versions
of dependent packages may not be sufficient to permit that.
> Can I quickly, easily remove an rpm if something doesn't work right
> after the installation?
If the dependencies are not met, it won't install, so no worry about
removing it.
If something "installs", then "rpm -e <pkgname>" will remove it.
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From: Dave Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: make menuconfig
Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 03:05:48 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> I installed the kernel in Easy Linux in SuSE Linux
> and in GoLinux but >>make menuconfig<< does not work
> in /usr/src/linux.GoLinux and Easy Linux said >>command
> not found<< and SuSE Linux said >> no rule to make menuconfig<<
> Do I have to install further
> packages?
It sounds like you don't have the "make" program installed on GoLinux
or Easy Linux.
In the SuSE case, you may not have "kernel-sources" installed, perhaps
only "kernel-headers". In which case the Makefile for kernel
compilation
is not present, and make will not find the menuconfig target/rule.
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From: John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else
Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 02:20:32 GMT
Grant Edwards writes:
> Now, if somebody would compare Bill Gates to Hitler, we can officially
> declare this thread deceased.
Hitler was a much better public speaker than Bill Gates is.
There. I compared them. Ok?
--
John Hasler
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Dancing Horse Hill
Elmwood, Wisconsin
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From: Robert Canright <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Help with Bash Alias
Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 03:17:54 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Dan Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hey--
>
> I'm in a class where my teacher reccomends using tcsh, so all her
> material is based on the fact that you're using tcsh. I was already
> using Bash, and I prefer to stay that way, so I asked her if I could.
> she said only if I could get this one command to work that is part of
> her required environment for us.
>
> She wants a command that is an alias that will change the directory
and
> then do an ls. It is called 'cdl'. I need to be able to do 'cdl
> mydir' and have it switch to that dir and then ls inside it. I've
tried
> alias cdl='cd;ls', but it does not work.
>
> Can a Bash guru help me out?
>
> Thanks!
>
> --Dan
You did
alias cdl='cd;ls'
but how does this alias process a variable as in
cdl mydir?
I do something like
alias cdl='cd \*!;ls'
but all my crib sheets are at work. Give it a try. The
backward slash is an escape character. Don't let the purists
get you down. I do stuff like this all the time with the c-shell.
And there's nothing wrong with using the c-shell for your command
line work. On the other hand, I do all my scripting with Bourne
shell if I can. Then I use KornShell if I need more. And I use
Perl scripts as a last resort (oh, quit gasping, I have not blasphemed).
Good luck.
-- Robert
Sent via Deja.com
http://www.deja.com/
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
From: drumvudu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else
Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 03:38:29 GMT
On 26 Jan 2001, Craig Kelley was alledged to have proclaimed:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (.) writes:
>
> > In comp.os.linux.advocacy Harlan Grove <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > Maybe there's a good reason for literacy tests after all.
> >
> > Perhaps. But ill put my verbal SAT score up against yours or anyone
> > elses, any time.
>
> You mean << I'll >> and << else's >>? ;) <--that is hilarious...drum
>
> We just need better election equipment. Jeb Bush's primary goal right
> now is to upgrade all the counties in Florida, so he can wipe the egg
> off his face. Even in remote states like Idaho, we're re-vamping the
> entire system before the next congressional election.
>
> --
> The wheel is turning but the hamster is dead.
> Craig Kelley -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> http://www.isu.edu/~kellcrai finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP block
>
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From: "Darren and Marla Welson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.questions,comp.os.linux.redhat,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: how do I mount my tape drive?
Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 03:53:18 GMT
I am adding a tape drive to an existing AHA-1542 SCSI controller. I have
one HD already configured and working, but I cannot figure out how to access
my tape drive. I have tried:
mount -t ext2 -r /dev/sdb /mnt/tape
mount -t ext2 /dev/tape /mnt/tape
but no go. Is it possible I will need to recompile my kernel? I have added
the SCSI card since I installed RH6.2.
darren welson
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Guy Parry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: $/.bashrc aliases question...
Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 14:55:02 +1100
Okay, I tried
export BASH_ENV=$HOME/.bashrc
. $HOME/.bashrc
in my .bash_profile, and it just gets me a message saying:
bash: ./home/pargoo/.bashrc: No such file or directory
I am REALLY confused...
On 25 Jan 2001 05:07:41 -0900, Floyd Davidson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
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