Linux-Misc Digest #53, Volume #27 Thu, 8 Feb 01 02:13:03 EST
Contents:
problem mounting Zip (Rick)
Re: gnucash/g-wrap/guile problem (Glitch)
Getting started with Java ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: gnucash/g-wrap/guile problem (Glitch)
Re: New Mustek 600 III EP Plus Parport ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: IPTables doesn't work (nor IPCHAINS) for kernel 2.4.1 ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: problem mounting Zip (Dances With Crows)
Re: Ramen .Worm virus and SuSE 7.0 ("Benjamin Good")
Re: problem mounting Zip (E J)
How to remove LILO ? (Eric Chow)
Re: Stumped by random X freezes,slow system (Tim Roberts)
Re: Which distribution? (Steve Ackman)
Re: Getting started with Java (Steve Ackman)
Re: Linux not free anymore? (Geoffrey Tobin)
Re: "make" ("Tom Edelbrok")
Re: Linux not free anymore? (Geoffrey Tobin)
Re: Linux *Really* Takes Off Beginning May 2001 (Geoffrey Tobin)
Re: Linux *Really* Takes Off Beginning May 2001 (Geoffrey Tobin)
Re: How do I setup an HP 842C printer? (E J)
Re: Linux *Really* Takes Off Beginning May 2001 (Geoffrey Tobin)
Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else (Geoffrey Tobin)
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From: Rick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.powerpc,alt.os.linux.mandrake
Subject: problem mounting Zip
Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2001 22:16:23 -0500
I am having trouble mounting my Zip drive. This is mt fstab entry:
/dev/sda4 /mnt/zip auto user,noauto 0 0
When I try to mount /mnt/zip, I get a "must specify filesystem" error.
What am I doing wrong?
I have developed a workaround by having 2 fstab entries and using
usermount to mount the one with the correct filesystem, but this is a
kludge.
Any and all help appreciated.
--
Rick
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Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2001 22:30:12 -0500
From: Glitch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: gnucash/g-wrap/guile problem
David wrote:
> Glitch wrote:
>
>> hello,
>>
>> does anyone have a filed called require.scm that belongs to the
>> slib/guile 1.4 package?
>>
>> I downloaded gnucash. I had to end up downloading g-wrap as well. Then I
>> got errors
>> during 'make' for g-wrap about a .scm file. I thought i had to get a new
>> version of guile as that's the package that has other scm files. I
>> downloaded guile 1.4 but I
>> still don't have the file I need to 'make' g-wrap which is needed by
>> gnucash.
>>
>> Can someone send the file to my email or tell me where I can get it
>> since it wasn't included with guile? I got other scm files in the ice-9
>> directory, which is where slib is but not require.scm.
>
>
>
> The "require.scm" file is included in the "umb-scheme" package. At least
> on redhat 6.2
thanks. I got guile compiled and g-wrap now. But stupid Gnucash can't
find g-wrap. I got it to find the g-wrap-config file but it won't file
'g-wrap',whatever that would be. I put the whole g-wrap directory from
/usr/local/ in /usr/bin/ which is in root's path but still Gnucash is
too stupid to find it.
What the hell am i supposed to do? THere isn't a configure option to
specify where g-wrap was installed and I just moved the whole damn
directory to /usr/bin.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Getting started with Java
Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 03:14:13 GMT
Hi, I'm a newbie linux-programmer and think I should start Java. I've
heard it is the language of choice. I have experience with Windows
IDE's like VB and Borland C++Builder. First of all, is there any way to
compile Java so you don't need to have a Java interpreter installed? If
not, how are Java apps distributed? And is it hard to program GUI's?
Are there any IDE-type things to get me started easily? Any good
tutorials out there anyone has seen?
Thanks for all your help,
Jason
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Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2001 22:40:04 -0500
From: Glitch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: gnucash/g-wrap/guile problem
David wrote:
> Glitch wrote:
>
>> hello,
>>
>> does anyone have a filed called require.scm that belongs to the
>> slib/guile 1.4 package?
>>
>> I downloaded gnucash. I had to end up downloading g-wrap as well. Then I
>> got errors
>> during 'make' for g-wrap about a .scm file. I thought i had to get a new
>> version of guile as that's the package that has other scm files. I
>> downloaded guile 1.4 but I
>> still don't have the file I need to 'make' g-wrap which is needed by
>> gnucash.
>>
>> Can someone send the file to my email or tell me where I can get it
>> since it wasn't included with guile? I got other scm files in the ice-9
>> directory, which is where slib is but not require.scm.
>
>
>
> The "require.scm" file is included in the "umb-scheme" package. At least
> on redhat 6.2
any ideas why g-wrap requires a file that needs to be within it's own
directory tree but yet isn't included? I can see if the file was like a
library that belonged in say /usr/lib but require.scm needed to be
within 2 subdirectories of the g-wrap source. Why woudlnt the authors
provide the file with the rest of the source? that is stupid.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: New Mustek 600 III EP Plus Parport
Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 03:29:22 GMT
In article <93fihd$sbd$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> OK, I'm sure scanner questions get asked around here 500 time a day,
but I
> have one, and I need help. As in the subject line, I have a Mustek 600
III
> EP Plus parport scanner, that I picked up for 15 bucks. I wasn't sure
if it
> was supported in Linux or not, but for the price, I couldn't pass it
up.
> Turns out it is supported. I installed SANE 1.0.3 from my Mandrake
distro
> CDs, but still nothing. Everything I have seen on the web about the
SANE
> Mustek backend is in command line language, which I am very new at. Is
> there a newbie-ized way of setting up this scanner?
>
> Any and all help would be appreciated.
>
> Cubic Decimeter
Hey,
I have the same scanner on redhat 7.0. I didn't have too much of a
problem getting the OS to see the scanner with sane, but it doesn't work
at all. It clicks and makes noise but the scanning thing dosen't move at
all. One thing I have found out, since your using the parport, you have
to be root to use it. Oh yeah..the big thing...in the
/etc/sane.d/dll.conf file, the mustek_pp line is commented. you have to
remove it.
Good luck
Joe
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.security
Subject: Re: IPTables doesn't work (nor IPCHAINS) for kernel 2.4.1
Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2001 23:12:22 -0500
Tim Haynes wrote:
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mike Dowling) writes:
> > I confess that using modules here is probably the better if at all
> > possible, as I would not expect that I need this all the time,
> > permanently in the kernel.
>
> Indeed. Well, I'm the opposite: always as modules, never a problem in
> sight.
*Never a problem.* I hate you. I really hate you.:-) May you be cursed
to a lifetime of generating and using kernels using from only
precompiled proprietary binary object files.
> Alternatively, you could play with System.map and depmod -ae, and just find
> the kernel options required to resolve the missing symbols... But having a
> clean /lib/modules/ directory always helps.
Using modules is the way to go. However, I'm a hypocrit. When the stuff
hits the fan, I compile things directly into the kernel and pray to my
gods (hop on left foot twice, twirl, then spit) that make dep works.
Never a problem. I fart in your general direction.:)
Clyde
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dances With Crows)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.powerpc,alt.os.linux.mandrake
Subject: Re: problem mounting Zip
Date: 8 Feb 2001 04:34:44 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Wed, 07 Feb 2001 22:16:23 -0500, Rick staggered into the Black Sun
and said:
>I am having trouble mounting my Zip drive. This is mt fstab entry:
>
>/dev/sda4 /mnt/zip auto user,noauto 0 0
>
>When I try to mount /mnt/zip, I get a "must specify filesystem" error.
>What am I doing wrong?
Try "vfat". This is really the best filesystem to put on a general
purpose ZIP as they are used for data exchange among machines that may
include Doze and MacOS boxes. Everything can read VFAT.
>I have developed a workaround by having 2 fstab entries and using
>usermount to mount the one with the correct filesystem, but this is a
>kludge.
A common way of dealing with ext2-formatted ZIPs (why? ext2 makes
little sense on removable media; the UIDs don't map from system to
system, and permissions get in the way when you're trying to do lots of
data exchanging) is to fdisk the ZIP, partition it so there's one
partition on sda1, then mke2fs it. VFAT ZIPs almost always have the
filesystem on partition 4, while HFS ZIPs are not partitioned at all.
So:
/dev/sda4 /mnt/zip vfat user,noauto 0 0
/dev/sda1 /mnt/e2zip ext2 user,noauto 0 0
/dev/sda /mnt/maczip hfs user,noauto 0 0
HTH,
--
Matt G|There is no Darkness in Eternity/But only Light too dim for us to see
Brainbench MVP for Linux Admin / Workin' in a code mine, hittin' Ctrl-Alt
http://www.brainbench.com / Workin' in a code mine, whoops!
=============================/ I hit a seg fault....
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Reply-To: "Benjamin Good" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
From: "Benjamin Good" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Ramen .Worm virus and SuSE 7.0
Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 04:37:43 GMT
The Ramen worm checks for certain file information to find out if you are on
a redhat 6.2 or 7.0 system. It will not automatically attack other
distributions, but the others are right that if you have the vulnerable
versions of those packages, then you could get cracked.
"David" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Grant Edwards wrote:
> >
> > >I may be wrong but it isn't so much redhat as it is wu-ftpd, rpc.statd,
> > >and LPRng which are being exploited. Get any updates that Suse has and
> > >block port 111 if you don't need it. Also disable wu-ftpd & LPRng if
you
> > >aren't using them and use a firewall.
> >
> > The story I read said that the worm checked to see if the OS was
> > RedHat and that it didn't exploit non-RedHat systems.
>
> True, but if you are running the same version of the programs it is
> exploiting then it could possibly be turned on other distro's as well if
> the code was changed. Even a CRACKER might exploit it which would be
> worse yet.
>
> Care to risk it??
>
> --
> Confucius say: He who play in root, eventually kill tree.
> Registered with the Linux Counter. http://counter.li.org
> ID # 123538
> Completed more W/U's than 99.017% of seti users. +/- 0.01%
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From: E J <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.powerpc,alt.os.linux.mandrake
Subject: Re: problem mounting Zip
Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 04:28:43 GMT
# for mounting windows zip
/dev/sda4 /mnt/zip vfat user,noauto 0 0
=============or====================
# for mounting linux zip
/dev/sda4 /mnt/zip ext2 user,noauto 0 0
Rick wrote:
> I am having trouble mounting my Zip drive. This is mt fstab entry:
>
> /dev/sda4 /mnt/zip auto user,noauto 0 0
>
> When I try to mount /mnt/zip, I get a "must specify filesystem" error.
> What am I doing wrong?
>
> I have developed a workaround by having 2 fstab entries and using
> usermount to mount the one with the correct filesystem, but this is a
> kludge.
>
> Any and all help appreciated.
>
> --
> Rick
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From: Eric Chow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: How to remove LILO ?
Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 04:48:30 GMT
Hello,
Is it possible to remove LILO from other OS ?
I delete the Linux NAtive partition. And formated the hard-disk. But
when reboot, it still open the LILO, how can I disabled the LILO ?
Best regards,
Eric
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From: Tim Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.x,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Stumped by random X freezes,slow system
Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2001 21:08:36 -0800
Chet Vora <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>... There doesn't seem to be any pattern to the freezes. The one thing worth
>mentioning is that the system seems to be using the SCSI driver for the PCI bus.
>
>Relevant o/p of dmesg:
>-------------------------
>VFS: Mounted root (ext2 filesystem).
>ncr53c8xx: at PCI bus 2, device 0, function 0
Come on, that's silly. Your SCSI controller is a device ON your PCI bus.
That's all it means.
--
- Tim Roberts, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Providenza & Boekelheide, Inc.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Steve Ackman)
Subject: Re: Which distribution?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 23:59:01 -0500
On Thu, 8 Feb 2001 01:20:56 -0000, Chaz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Hi i want to install linux on a pc with 2meg of edo ram and a 386 25mhz cpu.
>The hard disk is 10meg. I would like to know what version/distribution i
>should install. Thanks in advance.
You can't run Linux in 2MB RAM. You need, at a bare minimum,
4MB of RAM. Check out several mini-Linuces which do not run
from a ram disk.
--
Steve Ackman
http://twovoyagers.com
Registered Linux User #79430
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Steve Ackman)
Subject: Re: Getting started with Java
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 00:15:13 -0500
On Thu, 08 Feb 2001 03:14:13 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Hi, I'm a newbie linux-programmer and think I should start Java. I've
>heard it is the language of choice.
Where did you hear that? Actually, Python is the language
of choice. It's faster, uses cleaner syntax, and coupled with
the default TkInter or the (better, IMO) wxPython, you've got
all the GUI you could want. Python is also cross-platform.
Python has been called THE language with which to learn OO.
The Red Hat install program is written in Python, so it's
already installed if you're running Red Hat. Type 'python'
at the command line and see if it's there. If so, then type
'idle' and see if you might have also accidentally installed
the so-called IDE.
If not, check out http://www.python.org, and put the notion
of Java on the shelf for some other day... (which, after you
get into Python, will likely never come. ;-)
--
Steve Ackman
http://twovoyagers.com
Registered Linux User #79430
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From: Geoffrey Tobin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux not free anymore?
Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 16:26:02 +1100
Steve Withers wrote:
>
> blah wrote:
> >
> > Most of us???? Since when did the USA comprise most of the world's English
> > speaking population?
> > *Most* people spell it 'harbour', so I guess he was, after all, following
> > the crowd.
>
> Debateable.
>
> 280 million Americans.
>
> 30 million Canadians.
> 60 million Brits.
> 3.5 million Irish.
> 20 million Australians (though they slavishly copy America for most
> things).
We led the Yanks in power outages due to electricity privatisation. :P
PitchBlack Inc: Yesterday Victoria, today California, tomorrow the
World?
> 4 million New Zealanders......I make it 125-ish million out side the US.
> 2 million in Singapore (mainly as a second language after Chinese)
Quite a few in (East and West) Malaysia too.
> 1 million in Hong Kong (as in Singapore....Cantonese is primary).
> 1 million throughout the Caribbean...at most.
> 1 million throughout Oceania (Fiji, Western Samoa...etc..)
>
> ......I make it 130-ish million who might use the British spelling
> outside the US.
>
> UNLESS you count India where millions more speak English as the "glue"
> that binds their 11-language country together. That's just the 11
> official languages....there are lots more.
Nigeria (100 M), South Africa (40 M), Zimbabwe, Zambia, Malawi,
Tanzania (including Freddy Mercury country - exotic Zanzibar),
Kenya, and one might be excused for being surprised at how many
Somalis speak perfect English, and many Ethiopians.
> British English has become "International" English......while the
> American version tends to be the US and it's colonies......(Guam,
> American Samoa, Puerto Rico, the Marshall islands and perhaps
> Panama..and - increasingly - Australia).
>
> If you count India, then "Harbour" wins.
OTOH, in about 1974, my school English teacher, Mr Corless, who was
English by birth, explained that the "-our" was introduced by the
Normans. Prior to 1066, the English used the Latin spelling "-or".
Since Latin has historic priority over French, by virtue of
inventing the words we're spelling, "-or" is correct.
--
Best wishes!
Geoffrey Tobin
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
WWW: http://www.ee.latrobe.edu.au/~gt/gt.html
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From: "Tom Edelbrok" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: "make"
Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 22:09:54 -0800
Got it figured out. I have a script that runs the "./configure" along with
various options. I used PICO for an editor to create the script and one of
the options lines was so long it wrapped to the next line. But when this
happens in PICO it becomes a new line rather than a part of the same line!
So when I ran the script the Makefile that got generated was size zero.
To fix the problem using PICO you can backspace from the wrapped line and it
then joins the previous line as a continuous line that goes off the screen
rather than two separate lines broken in the middle.
Tom
Nick Condon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Tom Edelbrok) wrote in
> <0cdg6.63099$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> It means "make" can't see a "Makefile" in your current directory; or
> possibly it exists but contains no targets, is not readable, etc. Have a
> look, is there a Makefile (or makefile or GNUmakefile)? What does it
> contain? What are it's permissions?
>
> My guess is you're probably in the wrong directory; the alternative is
> configure has for some reason failed to create a Makefile, and failed to
> say so.
>
> Anyway, make -d will tell you exactly what's going on, but it is a bit
> verbose, so try:
>
> make -d | grep Considering
>
> --
> Nick
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From: Geoffrey Tobin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux not free anymore?
Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 17:15:35 +1100
Steve Ackman wrote:
...
> What Libertarian, or libertarian, ever managed to
> screw up as badly as authoritarian governments?
False dichotomy. A philosophical libertarian can run
an authoritarian government: all they need is the Police,
the Courts, and/or the Armed Forces, the very three instruments
of coercion that you stated are acceptable to libertarians as
roles for the government.
Take away the Police, the Judiciary, and the Military, from the
government, and it won't have any power to do harm.
How about it, "libertarians"? Are you willing to require government
to forego its coercive powers?
The truth is, self-proclaimed "libertarians" are classic conservatives:
they believe in coercion to enforce taxation of the poor to subsidise
the rich. Example: Margaret Thatcher's Poll Tax.
> In Canada, air traffic control is run by private
> companies. They do a much better job than the FAA
> does in the States.
In Australia, we've trusted the airlines to manage their own
affairs in a deregulated environment. Result: they are
skimping on maintenance.
> Are those air traffic controllers regulated?
> Of course they are!
So you agree that they need to be regulated.
> The difference is
> that the air traffic control system in Canada is run
> by people who have a vested interest in performing
> efficiently. Government programs NEVER have that
> kind of incentive.
They could have. Employees of the govt could be paid
bonuses/penalties, and/or be given shares.
> >Regulation and restrictions are an institutional attempt to protect
> >people from their own ignorance.
>
> Unfortunately, you have it backwards. Regulation
> and restrictions are the forcing of institutionalized
> ingorance upon the individual.
This broad brush argument is totally futile. "Apples are good,
oranges are bad." It's completely unconvincing.
> Why should a woman who voluntarily feeds the poor
> be required to spend money to prevent grease fires
> when she never uses her stovetop?
Why should i have to pay rates to the local council to pave
road X when i only use road Y?
If you want a perfectly just system of taxation, be prepared
for a mountain of paperwork to document exactly what you do use,
when, and how much.
> > Regulations are the legal embodiment of
> >the solutions to problems that you are I may not even know exist.
>
> Regulations are the implementation of problems
> not forseen by the regulators. Forest fires started
> by the federal government when they ignore their own
> regulations about when and where to burn, for instance.
That proves that the regulations are good. So are we to
deduce that the Legislature is good, but the Executive is bad?
Oh, but we can't use that argument now that the political parties
have a different balance of power, can we?
> >But our ignorance doesn't mean they aren't there.
>
> Um... kind of by definition, wouldn't you say? Exactly!
> Ingnorance of the negative effects of regulation doesn't
> mean they aren't there.
Whereas we know accurately what the detrimental effects of
anarchy are.
But i momentarily forgot: libertarians only believe in
regulation of the poor. "Give me your poor, your hungry,
your destitute millions, and Uncle Sam shall lock them up."
That's when Uncle Sam isn't bombing thousands of urban and
rural poor in the supposed name of catching dictators that
Uncle Sam anointed in the first place. Panama: lest we forget.
> >Good regulations make our world, stable, prosperous and safe. Bad
> >regulations can be fixed when it becomes obvious the are bad.
>
> Bad regulation NEVER goes away. Each year there are
> between 45,000 and 100,000 new pages added to the Federal
> Register. We still pay the communications tax that was
> passed as a temporary measure to fund the Spanish American
> War!
Of course, and when libertarians remove regulations, they always
continue the ones that are hurdles to the average Joe. The only
regulations they delete are those that affect big corporations.
We've seen the "libs" in action, more than once, so we know
exactly what they're up to: the Corporate State.
> >No regulation at all is bad.
>
> Yes, that would be anarchy. I thought we were
> talking about legitimate functions of gov't vs.
> tyranny.
How can the people be free, when government has the
power of coercion?
> > ..at least in open, democratic societies. I do
> >not pretend to deal with dictatorship here.
>
> There's no such thing as an open democratic society.
> Greece probably came the closest, and it was largely
> the shortcomings of Greek democracy which the founders
> sought to address in creating the Republic they did.
The shortcomings of Greek (specifically Athenian) democracy
during its brief, interrupted years, were the lack of franchise
for women, and the disenfranchisement of slaves.
The US Republic, as founded, instituted neither of those
improvements.
It also fell short of the Athenian reality of direct
government, and still falls short of direct election
which many other countries properly implement.
> In modern times, "democracy", at its very nature, declares
> that the few are able to dictate to the many... and it's all
> done in the name of "serving the greater good."
By allowing government the power of coercion, through the Police,
the Courts, and the Military, libertarians ensure the continuation
of that dictatorship.
They are therefore bedfellows of Mao Tse-Tung, sharing his comfort
in the maxim that "Power grows out of the barrel of a gun".
> Paraphrasing Marx, "Whenever the road to communism is
> difficult, institute democracy, for that is but a single
> step away."
Nice try, but Marx didn't use your definition of communism:
he had in mind the sharing of goods in the community of the
early church.
--
Best wishes!
Geoffrey Tobin
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
WWW: http://www.ee.latrobe.edu.au/~gt/gt.html
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From: Geoffrey Tobin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux *Really* Takes Off Beginning May 2001
Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 17:35:48 +1100
Harlan Grove wrote:
>
> I can't wait until Microsoft starts charging by the CPU instruction.
Intel will want, and be entitled to, a _big_ cut of that excise.
--
Best wishes!
Geoffrey Tobin
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
WWW: http://www.ee.latrobe.edu.au/~gt/gt.html
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From: Geoffrey Tobin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux *Really* Takes Off Beginning May 2001
Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 17:37:31 +1100
Steve Withers wrote:
>
> From May 2001 all new Microsoft products will REQUIRE registration or
> they won't work.
What about people who aren't on the Internet, but buy Microsoft
products?
Won't they have a case to charge Microsoft for the period they legally
owned the product but were prevented from using it? (Accountants: read
"Opportunity Cost".)
--
Best wishes!
Geoffrey Tobin
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
WWW: http://www.ee.latrobe.edu.au/~gt/gt.html
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From: E J <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: How do I setup an HP 842C printer?
Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 06:26:27 GMT
Check HP again later.
See http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1003-200-4598294.html
HP also is working to make sure its large printer organization isn't
being left behind by the spreading
use of Linux. All the company's laser printers now are supported under
Linux, and HP will show a
new driver for its inkjet printer line as well.
Balma said HP hopes eventually to release the inkjet printer driver as
open source, meaning that--as
with Linux itself--anyone may modify and distribute the software. For
now, HP is working through
intellectual property issues that prevent such a move.
Manatee wrote:
> sfcybear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I know that Mandrake 7.2 now uses Cups which has more print drivers. But
> > HP has released drivers for 44 of the HP's printers (series: 600, 800
> > and 900). There is a good chance that HP has the print driver you need.
> > Go to HP and do a search for Linux printer drivers (don't use the
> > regular driver down load)
>
> I looked up the 842C and they only have Windows and Mac drivers. It is too
> bad they don't consider Linux to be part of the mix.
>
> --
>
> Manatee
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From: Geoffrey Tobin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux *Really* Takes Off Beginning May 2001
Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 17:48:12 +1100
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
...
> .. The ultimate "control" comes when the software doesn't even run on
> _your_ computer.
>
> The ".Net" thing, as well as the move towards "web-based ASP systems"
> (not the MSFT PHP-like "language," but the "run apps over the web"
> approach) prevents "piracy" altogether when the software runs on their
> computer and you never see any working code...
Will the Pentagon and NSA agree to process their data on corporate
owned hardware thousands of miles away? With all the risks of it
being tapped?
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Best wishes!
Geoffrey Tobin
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
WWW: http://www.ee.latrobe.edu.au/~gt/gt.html
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From: Geoffrey Tobin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else
Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 18:01:45 +1100
John Hasler wrote:
>
> cpw writes:
> > So what's Linus Torvalds? A Swedish speaking Finn or an American?
>
> An American, of course, but you should really ask him.
Oh goody, we can blame the USA for Rupert Murdoch now.
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Best wishes!
Geoffrey Tobin
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
WWW: http://www.ee.latrobe.edu.au/~gt/gt.html
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