Linux-Misc Digest #168, Volume #27 Mon, 19 Feb 01 23:13:02 EST
Contents:
gdm configuration (Leonard Evens)
Re: Looking for something Linux (Jean-David Beyer)
Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else (Bloody Viking)
Re: Is my server sending information to Redhat? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: fastest SCSI CDROM drive (Robert Heller)
Re: Running from CD-ROM? (Grant Edwards)
Re: Shell access for windows users? (P Stein)
Re: Size of LINUX (Hartmann Schaffer)
how to upgrade the linux to a new version? ("pengxiang zhou")
Words of great wisdom ("Ron Rice")
Re: Rebuilding a source RPM with modified source (Mladen Gavrilovic)
Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else (Aaron Kulkis)
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From: Leonard Evens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: redhat.general
Subject: gdm configuration
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 19:55:52 -0600
I just recently upgraded a computer from a version of RedHat 5.X
to RedHat 7.0. I've upgraded several other computers to 7.0,
but not usually starting with so early a version.
I've noticed some strange behavior which I would like to track
down. To start, I couldn't change a password as root until
I ran pwconv, which had not previously been run on that computer.
Anyone know why? Secondly, the login screen shows kde as the
choice of desktop, but one can opt to choose gnome or something
else insteda by expanding the menu. I've managed to change the
default choice to gnome for some users but I'm not sure what I did.
Also, the path even for root involves some kde stuff.
If I don't use gdm but run startx from level 0 I get the path set
in .bash_profile.
Any hints about where I can find information about configuring
gdm? I checked in /usr/share/doc/gdm* and the README file there
told me to look at README.install, which wasn't there?
--
Leonard Evens [EMAIL PROTECTED] 847-491-5537
Dept. of Mathematics, Northwestern Univ., Evanston, IL 60208
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From: Jean-David Beyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Looking for something Linux
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 21:20:04 -0500
"Peter T. Breuer" wrote:
>
> Jean-David Beyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > either. I could have left out KDE, since I like GNOME/Enlightenment
> > better (another minor disagreement I have with Peter), but left it
>
> I've simply never been able to work out how to resize windows in gnome.
> Choose resize from the menu, and the cursor changes shape OK. Go to a corner
> or edge with it and nothing happens. So give up and click, and it reverts
> to normal.
I wonder what version of GNOME/Enlightenment you are using. I am
using the following stuff:
valinux:jdbeyer[~]$ rpm -qa | grep XFree
XFree86-libs-3.3.6-20.2
XFree86-xfs-3.3.6-20.2
XFree86-3.3.6-20.2
XFree86-100dpi-fonts-3.3.6-20.2
XFree86-75dpi-fonts-3.3.6-20.2
XFree86-ISO8859-2-1.0-9
XFree86-SVGA-3.3.6-20.2
XFree86-devel-3.3.6-20.2
XFree86-doc-3.3.6-20.2
valinux:jdbeyer[~]$
valinux:jdbeyer[~]$ rpm -qa | grep gnome
gnome-audio-1.0.0-8
gnome-libs-1.0.55-12
VAgnome-2.3-2
VAgnome-conf-1.0-4
acroread-gnome-menus-4.05-2.2
gnome-audio-extra-1.0.0-8
gnome-core-1.0.55-12
gnome-core-devel-1.0.55-12
gnome-games-1.0.51-4
gnome-games-devel-1.0.51-4
gnome-libs-devel-1.0.55-12
gnome-linuxconf-0.25-2
gnome-media-1.0.51-2
gnome-objc-1.0.2-6
gnome-objc-devel-1.0.2-6
gnome-pim-1.0.55-1
gnome-pim-devel-1.0.55-1
gnome-users-guide-1.0.72-1
gnome-utils-1.0.50-4
pygnome-1.0.51-1
pygnome-libglade-0.6.4-1
sawmill-gnome-0.24-3
switchdesk-gnome-2.1-1.3
xmms-gnome-1.0.1-4
valinux:jdbeyer[~]$
valinux:jdbeyer[~]$ rpm -qa | grep enlightenment
enlightenment-0.16.4-2
enlightenment-conf-0.15-9
valinux:jdbeyer[~]$
What I run is a an Enlightenment theme called VAmetal (provided by
VA Linux Systems), but it looks quite a bit like the stuff on my
straight Red Hat 6.0 system. For the drawing of the stuff inside a
window, I picked a theme called Basic. (Looks kind-of like Microsoft
Windows, but they have one even more like that called Redmond 95
that I choose not to use.) At the top right of each window are three
circles (instead of Microsoft squares) One with _, one with a
rectangle, and one with an X. The _ iconifies the window. The
rectangle one does different things depending on which mouse button
you use, but the left one either expands the window to occupy the
entire screen, or puts it back to normal. The x one will close the
window if you left-click it, and if you right click it, it will kill
the process with a -9 (or something like that). Grabbing a side of a
window with the left mouse button allows changing the width, the
bottom or top allows changing the height, and a corner allows both
at once. IIRC, these features did not work when I was running fvwm
or lesstif (I forget which, or maybe they go together; I forget.
That was with Red Hat Linux 5.0, where the things in the top right
were there but did not work.)
Also, if you right click on the top bar of a window, you get a menu
with lots of options.
>
> Whaaaaat?
>
> What else can I do except move or click? Drag? It seems to revert at first
> click.
You can drag if you left-click the top bar of a window and slide the
thing around, then release the left mouse button.
If you do not get this kind of stuff, I would be glad to e-mail you
the rpms you ask for, but at 56.6k or less, you would probably be
better off getting the stuff from Red Hat or VA Linux.
You probably know these, but just in case:
http://www.redhat.com/apps/download/
http://www.valinux.com/software/vaload/6.2/?session_hash=6fedd0c8ff766b45d963fbb71a5ec590
>
> There's probably more I can't do, but that's the point I give up at. And
> since making the windows and fonts the right size is event zero in my desktop
> life, goodbye gnome :-).
>
> > on my machine because I have a few other users on my machine and I
> > expect that they might like to use KDE. To start with, however, you
> > might wish to leave out GNOME/Enlightenment AND KDE AND the entire X
> > Window System and run your GNU/Linux system the way we used to run
> > UNIX: Command line interface only. You might wish to choose which
>
> He might!
>
> > choice); I happen to use bash. Likewise, there are a bunch of text
> > editors around; I happen to use emacs, but it might be easier to
>
> I was about to say "gnome is probably intelligible to emacs users".
> Is this true?
I would suppose so, but I am not an editor fanatic. I would think
that whichever screen manager you use first is the best unless it is
really bad. I think even a Windows user could use
GNOME/Enlightenment if someone set it up for them.
>
> > start with vi (and many people never switch from vi; some things are
> > easier in emacs, some things are easier in vi. So I use both at one
>
> Sure ... people always call on me to do particular things with vi that they
> can't do easily in emacs .. like reformat spreadsheets.
The thing that annoys me most about emacs is that I have never
figured out how to do something like this vi command:
1,$g/pattern1/s/pattern2/complex thingie, a function of stuff found
by pattern2/
So I do those things in vi (or sed sometimes, when appropriate).
>
> > # hosts.deny This file describes the names of the hosts which are
> > # *not* allowed to use the local INET services, as decided
> > # by the '/usr/sbin/tcpd' server.
> > #
> > # The portmap line is redundant, but it is left to remind you that
> > # the new secure portmap uses hosts.deny and hosts.allow. In
> > particular
> > # you should know that NFS uses portmap!
>
> > ALL : ALL
>
> ALL : ALL except 127.
>
> Nicer.
>
Perhaps so, if you like the parsimonious approach (as I usually do),
but I did not do that with my machines. My policy is that nobody can
do anything if I say ALL : ALL in hosts.deny. I never put anything
else in it. That way I know that, unless my /etc/inetd.conf file is
messed up, that only and exactly those specified in my hosts.allow
are allowed into my machine (that is, if my servers all go through
inetd, which not all do, unfortunately, and that no-one falsifies
the sender IP address, which some do).
--
.~. Jean-David Beyer Registered Linux User 85642.
/V\ Registered Machine 73926.
/( )\ Shrewsbury, New Jersey
^^-^^ 8:55pm up 22 days, 5:22, 4 users, load average: 1.07, 1.17,
1.26
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bloody Viking)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else
Date: 20 Feb 2001 02:25:48 GMT
Steve Mading ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
: Regardless of *why* this is the case, it was pushed for many
: years (when I was being taught grammar) as *the only* correct way.
: I know that this has changed recently. I chose this example on
: purpose because it was one that was less controversial (the decision
: to drop the illogical usage has already gained public acceptance).
: Had I picked a grammer rule that was still in use today, people wouldn't
: have been as likely to see the wisdom in deliberately spurning it.
I have my own spelling and grammar quirks. For example, I tend to use British
spelling or certain nonamerican slang. A special case is newsgroup or site
names where you have to avoid adding characters to it like a dot. For example,
I may write something like "the alt.destroy.microsoft newsgroup"
In real life, I spell and use grammar as I do online, which means some papers
at work contain my British spelling. And I refer to the last letter of the
alphabet as a _ZED_, not a "zee".
--
FOOD FOR THOUGHT: 100 calories are used up in the course of a mile run.
The USDA guidelines for dietary fibre is equal to one ounce of sawdust.
The liver makes the vast majority of the cholesterol in your bloodstream.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Is my server sending information to Redhat?
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 02:41:47 GMT
"Ernest" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Holy Smokes! What's this crap about? This is the kind of BS that
> Microsoft pulls. Is it time to begin refering to Redhat as the
> Microsoft of the Linux community? Do all versions of Redhat 7 behave
> in this way, or is it just the server? I'm really bothered by
> this. I know that Redhat is trying to be corporate but is it also
> trying to be big brother?
> Does SuSE "feature" this same security breech?
How typical.
Any time RHAT does _anything at all_, the _first_ reaction of a
sizable population of trolls is to draw whatever parallels to
Microsoft that they can make up.
It is quite clear that RHAT can never do _anything_ right.
-> If they install a process that looks for security updates and other
such bug fixes, they're obviously "doing a Microsoft" by being Big
Brother.
-> If they _don't_ have a process that makes it easy to pull security
updates and such, they're obviously "doing a Microsoft" by not
bothering to provide fixes on a competently timely basis.
They'll get bashed if they do this; they'll get bashed if they don't.
They got rightly bashed for the GCC 2.96 debacle. They got a rightly
blackened eye on early adoption of GLIBC 2, but _for the wrong
reasons_. (They forgot to observe that GLIBC 2.0 was _specifically
billed_ as "experimental.")
--
(concatenate 'string "cbbrowne" "@acm.org")
http://vip.hyperusa.com/~cbbrowne/xwindows.html
"Usenet is like a herd of performing elephants with diarrhea; massive,
difficult to redirect, awe-inspiring, entertaining, and a source of
mind-boggling amounts of excrement when you least expect it." -- Gene
Spafford (1992)
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From: Robert Heller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: fastest SCSI CDROM drive
Date: 19 Feb 2001 20:35:56 -0600
John Hunter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
In a message on 19 Feb 2001 14:42:58 -0600, wrote :
JH> I'm looking for a recommendation for the fastest/best for the price
JH> SCSI CDROM drive. I noticed on pricewatch that the IDE drives go up
JH> to 72x and the SCSI ones only go to 40x. Why is this? Are the SCSIs
JH> competitive because of the faster bus?
These Nx numbers for CDROM drives are somewhat deceptive. These are
*instantaneous* transfer rates and are a function of rotation speed. There
are two major gotchas for ALL CDROM drives:
1) It is not reasonable to spin up a CDROM and *leave it spinning*
indefinitely (like a hard drive). Because the CDROM is a removable
device and because of the *mechanical* constraints this is just not
possible. Also, there is this *Law*, enacted (no repeal possible), by
this dude Newton, which precludes instantaneous transition from a
stationary CDROM to one spinning at 40x or 72x times normal speed, so
there is a large (huge at 72x) spin up latency.
2) CDROM drives are not like hard disks and don't use the 'Wide/Fast'
interface (either ATA/Dma66 or SCSI-3). Thus the continuous data
throughput is limited. Yes, while a 72x IDE CDROM can *burst* a
*small* file at 72x (after several *seconds* spent spinning up), it
cannot sustain this for long, so the larger the file the *slower* the
*average* transfer rate, down to about 4x for IDE. SCSI CDROM drives
will bottom out at about 8x (the SCSI bus is better than PIO IDE).
Faster drives can possibly be worse -- spin up (several seconds), start
bursting, flood bus, spin *down* (several seconds), wait for bus to
clear, spin up again (several *more* seconds), start bursting again,
flood bus again, spin down *again*, wait for bus to clear, etc.
Bottom line: for serious transfers, anything above about 4x for IDE and
8x for SCSI is effectively silly. About as useful as a formula-one
race car during rush hour bumper-to-bumper traffic or even in *normal*
downtown traffic: wait at traffic light, stomp on the gas when light
goes green, race one block, slam on the brakes at the red light there,
sit there waiting for the green light, note that the guy with the GEO
Metro going 25-30mph gets to the light just as it is turning green,
every time, which makes you look like a total idiot (as you fund some
Arabian prince's daughter's wedding). Yes, a bright-red sports car is
flashy, but it won't get you there any faster than a GEO Metro.
Oh, the reason SCSI CDROMs stop at a lower 'x' factor is because the
people who *buy* SCSI are not the sort of idiot who will buy a silly
fast car and live in downtown New Your City. The *only* reason even 40x
SCSI CDROM drives even exist is because 8x CDROM base mechanics are no
longer available, not because there is any real reason to make 40x SCSI
CDROM drives.
JH>
JH> Seeking recommendations and links to reviews, etc...
I'd ignore the 'x' factor and look instead at price vs. MTBF ratings
(higher speed drives have a *lower* MTBF -- all of the high-speed spinning
up is rough on the bearings and motor).
JH>
JH> I'm working under RHL 6.2.
JH>
JH> I will be transferring very large files (1 at approx 600MB) or a small
JH> number (10 at 60MB each).
JH>
JH> Thanks,
JH> John Hunter
JH>
JH>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Grant Edwards)
Subject: Re: Running from CD-ROM?
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 03:02:58 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Grant Edwards wrote:
>I'd like to set up some Linux systems (manufacturing stations) to boot and
>run from CD-ROM. I can think of two ways to run from CD:
I found a very good write-up of building a system to run from CD at
http://www15.big.or.jp/~yamamori/sun/tech-linux-2/index_e.html
Any other references would also be welcome.
--
Grant Edwards grante Yow! I am NOT a nut....
at
visi.com
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From: P Stein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Shell access for windows users?
Date: 20 Feb 2001 03:05:42 GMT
Matt O'Toole <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I want to give shell access to some Windows users. I dont want to use
> telnet. Is there a free ssh client available for Windows?
> Matt O.
I use Tera Term Pro, with the TTSSH plugin. You can get it from
<http://www.winfiles.com> and probably other download sites as well. It
works under Win98 and Win2000.
--
If one studies too zealously, one easily loses his pants.
-- A. Einstein.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Hartmann Schaffer)
Subject: Re: Size of LINUX
Date: 19 Feb 2001 22:13:36 -0500
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Grant Edwards wrote:
> ...
>Engineering is about cost vs. benefit.
>
>Building a bridge that's four times as strong as it needs to be is not a
>good design. You've incurred extra cost with no extra benifit.
>
>You've used up resources and money that could have been spent on something
>else (another bridge, for example). Engineering is about being able to
>figure out how strong a bridge needs to be (with a safety margin) and build
>it that strong. Not stronger, not weaker.
the problem is to determine what actually is required (like that roof of the
hockey arena in new england that caved in because the amount of snow in one
winter by far exceeded what is usually expected in that area)
hs
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From: "pengxiang zhou" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: how to upgrade the linux to a new version?
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 03:15:02 GMT
Hi,
I am using SuSE Linux 6.4, and I want to update it to version 7.1 by
downloading the file from ftp.suse.com. But I am not sure how I can install
the new version based on my old version without deleting my old stuff, could
anyone give some directions?
Thank you very much!
perry
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From: "Ron Rice" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Words of great wisdom
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 03:17:49 GMT
Of course I think I'm right. If I thought I was wrong, I'd change my
mind.
Michel "Walken" LESPINASSE
Development Engineer at Wind River Systems
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From: Mladen Gavrilovic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Rebuilding a source RPM with modified source
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 03:25:31 GMT
Thanks for pointing me in the right direction, I'll give it a whack as
soon as I get a chance.
Regards,
Mladen
Robert Lynch wrote:
>
> Mladen Gavrilovic wrote:
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I was wondering if anyone knows how to rebuild a source RPM with the
> > code in the /usr/src/redhat/SOURCES directory... I know that you can
> > rebuild it with the code in the package with "rpm --rebuild
> > <package>.src.rpm", and that you can put the tar.gz into
> > /usr/src/redhat/SOURCES with "rpm -Uvh <package>.src.rpm".
> >
> > However, I would like to untar/unzip the code in SOURCES, change it,
> > then use that code in the RPM installation. How do I do this? Do I
> > need to tar/gzip the directory again or can RPM read it directly?
> >
> > Regards,
> > Mladen
>
> The way you want to do it goes against the "philosophy" of
> "pristine source" as stated by Edward Bailey in his book "Maximum
> RPM". Instead you might do this:
>
> -install the source rpm: rpm -iv some-src-rpm.src.rpm
>
> -cd to /usr/src/redhat/SPECS and unpack and "prep" the sources:
> rpm -bp some-src-rpm.spec
>
> -cd to ../BUILD and make a copy of the src directory
>
> # ls
> src-123 src-123.orig
>
> -change the src in src-123 and rebuild it by hand til you get
> what you want
>
> -make a patch file, I think the incantation is:
>
> diff -uRN src-123.orig src-123 > ../SOURCES/my_own_patch
>
> -add your patch to the spec file:
>
> Patch0: ...
> ...
> PatchN: my_own_patch
> ..
> %patch0 -p1 ....
> ..
> %patchN -p1 -b .my_own
>
> I might have missed some steps or screwed up the syntax, but I
> think you get the idea.
>
> Bob L.
> --
> Robert Lynch-Berkeley CA USA: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== NOTE:
> **New address! Please CHANGE your addressbook listing.***
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From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 22:34:55 -0500
Robert Surenko wrote:
>
> In comp.os.linux.misc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > On Fri, 16 Feb 2001 17:57:50 GMT, Robert Surenko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>In comp.os.linux.misc Ian Davey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>
> > [deletia]
>
> > Then again, you are blathering about an historical even that
> > was caught on tape and who's firsthand witnesses are still
> > living.
>
> Yes, but the experiment can not be repeated. In your previous
> blatherings you claimed that the only way something can be known
> is the Scientific Method, and it's reliable because the event can
> be repeated.
You don't have to repeat the shooting...all you need to do is exhume
the body.
>
> Are you willing to say that there are other methods to "know" something
> except for the Scientific method. If so, how?
>
> Will we know that JFK was shot until the last witness dies and then
> we officially un-know it?
>
> > OTOH, it would not shatter my sanity to find out that it was
> > all a load of hooey. I'm more worried about whether or not a
> > CRT will suddenly electrocute me or if the wings of a 727
> > will rip off.
>
> Me either, although I would have to change my old "historical fact"
> that can't be proven with the Scientifc Method to something else.
>
> Perhaps this, How do we know the American Revolutionary War happened?
>
> No tapes, no living witnesses.
>
> > Here, you are only criticising a field of study (not necessarily
> > even a science) that most of the hard line materialists here
> > would themselves call "weak at best" anyways.
>
> But that's the point, A Materialists claims that the Scientific
> Method is the only way to know something.
>
> > --
>
> > Finding an alternative should not be like seeking out the holy grail.
> >
> > That is the whole damn point of capitalism.
> > |||
> > / | \
>
> --
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> - Bob Surenko [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> - http://www.fred.net/surenko/
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 22:36:57 -0500
Robert Surenko wrote:
>
> In comp.os.linux.misc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > On 16 Feb 2001 23:36:41 GMT, Steve Mading <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>In comp.os.linux.advocacy Robert Surenko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>
> >>: That's why Materialism is hopelessly flawed. We all know that JFK
> >>: was shot, but can't repeat the experiment. How do we go about
> >>: proving a historical event.
> >>
> >>WTF does that have to do with materialism?
>
> > Whether or not JFK was shot or not is a question of history.
>
> > The techniques of historians are not the subject of this discussion.
>
> I though we were disscussing how does a person "know" something?
>
> Many have claimed that a repeatable experiment is the only way.
>
> I've given an example of a fact that can not be repeated and can't
> be proven with the Scientific Method.
Are there not OTHER experiments which could allow us to determine
if Kennedy was shot or not?
Say,...exhuming the body.
I'm QUITE sure that the skull will demonstrate it beyond a doubt.
>
> > --
>
> > Freedom != Anarchy.
> >
> > Some must be "opressed" in order for their
> > actions not to oppress the rest of us.
> >
> > |||
> > / | \
>
> --
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> - Bob Surenko [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> - http://www.fred.net/surenko/
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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