Linux-Misc Digest #474, Volume #27 Thu, 29 Mar 01 10:13:02 EST
Contents:
Re: The differences between Ash and Bash (Jonathan Kamens)
Help, Services running but cant type in a password to login? ("T.C.")
Re: What is the size of Linux 2.4.1 Kernel (Alumne FIB - MARC COLL CARRILLO)
Re: What is the size of Linux 2.4.1 Kernel (mlw)
Mapping block number to file? What's b0rken? (Kai =?iso-8859-1?q?Gro=DFjohann?=)
Re: What is the size of Linux 2.4.1 Kernel (Michael Heiming)
Re: SMC Ultra with Debian 2.2 (Stephen Cornell)
Re: Mapping block number to file? What's b0rken? (Kai =?iso-8859-1?q?Gro=DFjohann?=)
Error message when mounting Novell volumes ("Thomas Schachtner")
Re: Windows ME and Windows 98 and Linux comp. ("Jeremy Paiz")
Re: Mapping block number to file? What's b0rken? ("Eric")
Large File Problems... ("Fred Pishotta")
Re: A fatal error to get back the system (Lee Allen)
Re: system.map (Michael Heiming)
Re: Kernel panic--urgent ("Sudhakar R.")
Re: Migrating from PMMail mail client to Linux (Richard Kimber)
Re: The differences between Ash and Bash (Young4ert)
Re: PCMCIA problem for a newbie ("Davide Bianchi")
qpopper 3.0 problem ("Wong Ching Kuen Frederick")
Re: ssh to linux/unix from windows (Lee Allen)
Pine ignores /etc/mail/gericstable (Alex Fitterling)
Re: Pine ignores /etc/mail/gericstable ("Wong Ching Kuen Frederick")
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jonathan Kamens)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.admin,comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Re: The differences between Ash and Bash
Date: 29 Mar 2001 13:17:03 GMT
(Removed bogus "comp.os.linux.development" newsgroup from Newsgroups
line.)
Ash does not have most of the functionality that bash has. It's
pretty much a pared-down Bourne shell, whereas bash has all kinds of
functionality which didn't exist in the original Bourne shell.
The point of ash is to give you a small, fast shell without all of
bash's baggage, e.g., so that you can put a shell on a floppy rescue
disk that won't take up tons of space that you need for more important
functionality.
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From: "T.C." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,linux.redhat.misc
Subject: Help, Services running but cant type in a password to login?
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 09:15:39 -0400
Hi,
I have a redhat linux 6.2 box (with no patches/updates as I am using it to
test some scripts etc) that I am using to route packets between 3 different
networks and act as a firewall as well.
The network / ipchains etc all setup great, the only problem now is that
when I try to logon as root, it just sits there ... FOREVER? It just hangs
at the login.
It doesnt matter what I put for a username at the console, it hangs, and
wont even let me add a password.
This is not the first bizzare happening with this box. A couple months ago
when I was working on the scripts, I logged in, then tried to run pico and I
got the "incomplete terminfo entry" error.
By adding this to my profile it fixed it:
EXPORT=linux
Mind you im no linux expert AT ALL and am totally lost.
Is there a way I can get around this? Please dont shoot me for saying this,
but like a safe mode for windows? I will try interactive startup, but I
have NO clue why the console wont let me type in a password?
Thank you all so much for your help
Trent
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From: Alumne FIB - MARC COLL CARRILLO <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Re: What is the size of Linux 2.4.1 Kernel
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 15:20:14 +0200
The compressed file is about 20 Mb. Once uncompressed, it can grow up to
100 Mb.
Alan Po wrote:
> Dear all
>
> Would you tell me the size of Linux 2.4.1 kernel? Is it very large?
>
> Thanks a lot
>
> Alan PO
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From: mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Re: What is the size of Linux 2.4.1 Kernel
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 08:35:51 -0500
Alan Po wrote:
>
> Dear all
>
> Would you tell me the size of Linux 2.4.1 kernel? Is it very large?
>
> Thanks a lot
>
> Alan PO
Do you mean built, source, or for download?
It is between 20 and 30 meg to download.
It extracts to a very large source tree, over 100 meg.
When building, the object files take a lot of space.
A bootable kernel file can be less than a 1meg. A full blown working kernel
with all the modules compiled, can be about 15-20 meg in the
/lib/modules/2.4.xxx.
--
I'm not offering myself as an example; every life evolves by its own laws.
========================
http://www.mohawksoft.com
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kai =?iso-8859-1?q?Gro=DFjohann?=)
Subject: Mapping block number to file? What's b0rken?
Date: 29 Mar 2001 15:34:01 +0200
When I run `dump' on my partition, I get errors such as the following:
/----[ excerpt from: dump 0f - /dev/hda5 > /dev/null ]
| DUMP: read error from /dev/hda5: Input/output error: [block 9244490]: count=3072
\----
This looks rather scary. Is there a way for me to find out which file
this block belongs to?
And, more important:
What is broken here? I went to single user mode and ran `fsck -f -y
/dev/hda5' but that didn't find any errors. Do you have any idea what
might be the problem? Loose cables (unlikely, since I got less than
ten errors for the whole 8 GB file system)? Faulty disk?
kai
--
Be indiscrete. Do it continuously.
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Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 15:35:45 +0200
From: Michael Heiming <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: What is the size of Linux 2.4.1 Kernel
Alan Po wrote:
>
> Dear all
>
> Would you tell me the size of Linux 2.4.1 kernel? Is it very large?
What do you mean?
Size of the source tarball?
Check www.kernel.org, which size the latest source tarball has.
Size of a compiled kernel?
Depends on your setup/module use, I would suggest compiling one and check.
You may want to read the Kernel-HowTo available on www.linuxdoc.org.
Michael Heiming
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From: Stephen Cornell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: SMC Ultra with Debian 2.2
Date: 29 Mar 2001 14:38:08 +0100
Marek Bromberek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I was just wondering if enybody had the same problem with SMC Ultra
> ethernet card as I did.
I had a problem with one of these cards in Debian, because it
incorrectly mis-identifies itself as a Western Digital Elite16, and I
was trying to use the module for that (wd, IIRC) rather than the
correct SMC driver. Unfortunately, I can't remember precisely what I
did, and the machine is currently inaccessible (keyboard buggered, no
network access), so I can't check precisely what I did, but I seem to
remember that, when I selected the correct module (in the modules.conf
file), it worked perfectly without having to specify IRQs etc. I
found out about this problem in one of the Ethernet Howtos.
HTH,
Stephen.
--
Stephen Cornell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel/fax +44-1223-336644
University of Cambridge, Zoology Department, Downing Street, CAMBRIDGE CB2 3EJ
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kai =?iso-8859-1?q?Gro=DFjohann?=)
Subject: Re: Mapping block number to file? What's b0rken?
Date: 29 Mar 2001 15:39:55 +0200
On 29 Mar 2001, Kai Gro�johann wrote:
> When I run `dump' on my partition, I get errors such as the
> following:
>
> /----[ excerpt from: dump 0f - /dev/hda5 > /dev/null ]
>| DUMP: read error from /dev/hda5: Input/output error: [block
>| 9244490]: count=3072
> \----
>
> This looks rather scary. Is there a way for me to find out which
> file this block belongs to?
I now ran `debugfs /dev/hda5' with results like this:
/----
| debugfs: icheck 9244490
| Block Inode number
| 9244490 <block not found>
\----
Same for all other blocks. Not very promising. What's the story?
kai
--
Be indiscrete. Do it continuously.
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From: "Thomas Schachtner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Error message when mounting Novell volumes
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 15:39:06 +0200
Hi there,
When I try to mount a Novell volume in my office I always get an error
message which says: "ncpmount: No referrals (-634) in nds login".
Who knows where this error comes from?
I am using S.u.S.E. Linux 7.1 with Kernel V.2.4
Thank you for your help in advance!
Tom
--
You will be assimilated. Resistance is futile.
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From: "Jeremy Paiz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.windows-me,alt.windows98,comp.os.ms-windows.misc,comp.windows
Subject: Re: Windows ME and Windows 98 and Linux comp.
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 08:58:16 -0500
"Sam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:vHmw6.1781$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> ME isn't nearly as full of security holes.
>
oh, isn't it. everytime i compile programs in msvc++6.0 on my win-me box i
have to DISABLE norton anti-virus, otherwise the system will crash.
disabling anti-virus software: if that isn't a security hole, i don't know
what is.
along those lines, in the 6 months that i have been at my current job, 3
viruses have hit the windows machines here and caused alot of damage. guess
how many have hit non-windows machines. zero.
>
> ME isn't buggy, it's the type of people who can't seem to read
installation notes.
>
what would the installation notes tell you? "beware, this os is highly
unstable ... we forgot to debug it ... expect to crash your system on every
session."
--
________________________________________________________________________
JEREMY M PAIZ
Software Engineer
Research & Development Division
Welding Technology Corporation
24775 Crestview Court
Farmington Hills MI 48335-1507
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Web: http://www.weldtechcorp.com
Phone: (248) 477-3900 x3362
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From: "Eric" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Mapping block number to file? What's b0rken?
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 16:06:04 +0200
> > When I run `dump' on my partition, I get errors such as the
> > following:
> >
> > /----[ excerpt from: dump 0f - /dev/hda5 > /dev/null ]
> >| DUMP: read error from /dev/hda5: Input/output error: [block
> >| 9244490]: count=3072
> > \----
> >
> > This looks rather scary. Is there a way for me to find out which
> > file this block belongs to?
>
> I now ran `debugfs /dev/hda5' with results like this:
>
> /----
> | debugfs: icheck 9244490
> | Block Inode number
> | 9244490 <block not found>
> \----
>
> Same for all other blocks. Not very promising. What's the story?
>
try the badblocks command.
Sounds like some blocks have gone bad.
Eric
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From: "Fred Pishotta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Large File Problems...
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 09:09:22 -0500
Hi,
In another posting session I received help [thanks, folks] figuring out
why I was having problems with files greater than ((2^31) - 1) bytes.
That is: linux wouldn't create them. I now know that this historically
relates to the 32 bit Intel architecture, and that the linux 2.4 kernel
addresses this matter by implementing a 64(?) bit filesize discriptor,
as does an LF patch to earlier versions.
So I grabbed the sources for the 2.4.2 kernel, built myself a shiny
new one, and brought it up in the context of my RH 7.0 distribution.
Seems to work fine to a point. I can now do things like create
big files with commands like "cat file1 file2 file3 > file4" and
the os doesn't complain, but other things do. "more file4", as a
trivial example, will complain about the file size and fail to do
it's thing. "gunzip file.Z" works, though, when the resulting file
"file" would exceed the ~2G limit (not sure about when file.Z is
bigger than 2G). "vi fileb" fails (and deletes fileb!) if fileb is > 2G.
So clearly the problem is not fixed by simply having an LF kernel.
It must extend down into other packages. My question is:
How can I get a handle on the extent of the problem? Is anyone producing
a LF compliant linux distribution at this point? RedHat "wolverine"
(which I have tested) is not. Obviously to do so is going to involve a
compliant glibc and a lot of recoding/recompiling of tool packages.
What about FreeBSD? (I'm starting to get dizzy.)
Why, you may ask, do I want to deal with files that big? We want
to port some genome database technologies (e.g. the NCBI's BLAST
package [ http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/blast/ ]) that works with other unix
architectures (e.g., SPARC/Solaris) over into the much more cost-effective
Intel/linux. (Interestingly enough, they "have" a linux port, but it only
works with the smaller databases, not the big ones like the Human Genome
Database.) I suppose we could spend the big bucks on a more commercial
big-biz solution, but such a port would be a tremendous boon to molecular
biologists world-wide. We're interested in taking on such a project,
if we can understand its scope and depth, and determine that we would not
drown in the process.
Any thoughts?
-- Fred P.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Lee Allen)
Subject: Re: A fatal error to get back the system
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 14:23:47 GMT
On Thu, 29 Mar 2001 16:40:36 +1000, arasu
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
At the LILO: prompt enter:
linux runlevel 3
This will start your system in text mode. Then you can try to fix
whatever is broken in X.
-Lee Allen
>Hello to all,
>
>I have installed linux 1, redhat version 7.
>I tried to change the monitor settings by Xconfigurator.
>I could not change it successfully, and somehow I tried to
>reboot.Now is the problem. I get the following message
>on the terminal and I could not get the gnome desktop
>windows.
>
>******************
>According to /var/run/gdm.pid, gem was already running,
>but seems to have been murdered mysteriously.
>
>INIT: id"x" respawing too fast: disabled for 5 minites.
>
>**************
>Now it is hanging. I tried reset, reboot again. same error.
>
>Can any one help me to solve this,?Thanks
>
>-arasu
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Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 16:25:33 +0200
From: Michael Heiming <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: system.map
Wong Ching Kuen Frederick wrote:
>
> what is the use of the file /boot/system.map?! after compiling a new kernel,
> should i copy this file to /boot as well?!
Yes, you should, it's the first place klogd looks for this file.
> without this file, my system
> still reboot with no problem.
For more info about system.map read:
man klogd
and (comes with the kernel sources):
Documentation/oops-tracing.txt
Good luck
Michael Heiming
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From: "Sudhakar R." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Kernel panic--urgent
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 09:27:17 -0500
> > no where / was residing, 8 was now renumbered to 5. I rebooted the system
> > without modifying my /etc/lilo.conf to reflect the new partition number
> > that / was assigned by fdisk.
> >
> > Invalid session no. or type of track
> > Kernel panic: VFS: unable to mount root fs on 10:08
>
> Are you sure it said 10:08 ???
> That's not a HDD major.
sorry, that was 03:08
> at the liloprompt "linux root=/dev/hda5"
> (or where-ever the root FS is)
This worked and I cud get the system up and running. I then used fdisk
under dos to create the logical drive on the FAT32 patition. Unfortunately
this seems to have messed up my entire system 'coz when I rebooted Windows
says all my FAT32 partitions on the logical drive are not formatted and
it looks like I've lost all files in them. Also when I reboot under
linux I get the folowing error after a few initial messages
Warning: unable to open an initial console
Kernel panic: No init found. try passing init= option to kernel
Could you please tell me how I can go about recovering my linux and
windows partitions.
Thanx for your time. I appreciate it very much.
-sud
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From: Richard Kimber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Migrating from PMMail mail client to Linux
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 15:32:29 +0100
Robert Morelli wrote:
> 2. Convert to a Linux based email client. Granted, Linux email
> clients don't impress, but at least one thing is sure, it can't get
> any worse than it is now. If I understand right, there are basically
> three standards for email storage in use under Linux. I'd need to
> convert my PMMail archives to one of those standards. Ideally,
> someone might have already written some software to do that.
> Short of that, maybe someone more knowlegeable than me could
> give me some pointers. I know how to program, but I don't know
> anything about any email storage standards.
I converted to kmail. It's not great, but it's OK. Unfortunately you also
have to have much of the core of kde too (i.e. it's not a stand-alone
package, as far as I know).
There is a utility to convert to kmail format. It's called mh2kmail and I
think I got it from the kmail website. A search will turn it up - that's
how I found it.
- Richard.
--
Richard Kimber
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.psr.keele.ac.uk/
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From: Young4ert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The differences between Ash and Bash
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.admin,comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.help
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 14:23:53 GMT
Jonathan Kamens wrote:
> (Removed bogus "comp.os.linux.development" newsgroup from Newsgroups
> line.)
>
> Ash does not have most of the functionality that bash has. It's
> pretty much a pared-down Bourne shell, whereas bash has all kinds of
> functionality which didn't exist in the original Bourne shell.
>
What about tcsh?
> The point of ash is to give you a small, fast shell without all of
> bash's baggage, e.g., so that you can put a shell on a floppy rescue
> disk that won't take up tons of space that you need for more important
> functionality.
>
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From: "Davide Bianchi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: PCMCIA problem for a newbie
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 09:43:45 -0800
"@@@" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:d3xw6.62$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> OK, I need some help here. I have gotten far enough where I _think_ I have
> the PCMCIA card manager up and running.
<ZAP>
> Has anyone setup one of these before. Any idea where it is going wrong?
To me looks fine... what's your problem ??
Davide
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From: "Wong Ching Kuen Frederick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: qpopper 3.0 problem
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 22:55:33 +0800
i set up qpopper in my suse 7.0 (i compile it from source). without it, i
can check mail with pine. when i attempt to user outlook express client to
check email, the authentication passed, but it fail to retrieve email. (just
report zero message). my mail is stored at /var/spool/mail and there is also
a link of /var/mail to /var/spool/mail. can anyone give me some suggestion
to debug it?! thank you very much.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Lee Allen)
Subject: Re: ssh to linux/unix from windows
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 14:55:57 GMT
VNC is great for this:
http://www.uk.research.att.com/vnc/
On Wed, 28 Mar 2001 17:06:08 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Martin
Gregorie) wrote:
>On Sun, 25 Mar 2001 20:24:17 -0500, "ThanhVu Nguyen"
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>>hi,
>>
>>is there a freesource program that allows me to telnet or connect to a
>>linux/unix machine and be able to run X on it ? I know Hummingbird's
>>Exceed can do it but its' a commercial program ?
>>
>
>Assuming that you want to get X-term access from a PC running Windoze,
>to get the full X functionality on your desktop you need to run a full
>featured X-server under Windoze. Xfree86 is probably not what you
>want, as its essentially an X-server that runs under Linux and IIRC
>has no Win incarnation. Both the the references deal with the full
>desktop and graphical thing:
>
>http://www.rahul.net/kenton/xsites.html
>http://www.netsarang.com
>
>The first reference is a list of X-related URLs. The second
>(Netsarang) isn't free but it is a relatively cheap eXceed workalike.
>I haven't tried it yet, but its on my 'to do' list.
>
>===================================
>
>If you only need a text window, take a look at the following stuff:
>
>http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/
>http://hp.vector.co.jp/authors/VA002416/teraterm.html
>
>Putty (the first reference) is small and free. It will do the trick if
>you just need text windows - it does not support a desktop or
>graphical displays, but does have builtin support for ssh as well as
>telnet protocols.
>
>Of course, if all you need is telnet, you can't go wrong with TeraTerm
>(second reference).
>
>
>
>--
>gregorie | Martin Gregorie
>@logica | Logica Ltd
>com | +44 020 76379111
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From: Alex Fitterling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Pine ignores /etc/mail/gericstable
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 16:58:26 +0200
Hello,
has got anyone a glue, why pine is ignoring my sendmail configuration
with genericstable enabled.... through pipe ( echo ........ | mail
someone@x,y ) I can send mail the correct way, everything is working
well: the outgoing sender gets transformed into new (specified) one.
In meanwhile pine still sends mail using wrong sender name, what's
wrong ? ..has anyone a hint on this ?
Thank you.
-- A. Fitterling /
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "Wong Ching Kuen Frederick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Pine ignores /etc/mail/gericstable
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 23:03:45 +0800
pine has its configuration file and not related to sendmail anyway. look for
the option in pine.
"Alex Fitterling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ���g��l��
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Hello,
>
> has got anyone a glue, why pine is ignoring my sendmail configuration
> with genericstable enabled.... through pipe ( echo ........ | mail
> someone@x,y ) I can send mail the correct way, everything is working
> well: the outgoing sender gets transformed into new (specified) one.
>
> In meanwhile pine still sends mail using wrong sender name, what's
> wrong ? ..has anyone a hint on this ?
>
> Thank you.
>
> -- A. Fitterling /
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
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