Linux-Misc Digest #491, Volume #27 Sat, 31 Mar 01 06:13:01 EST
Contents:
Re: Windows ME and Windows 98 and Linux comp. (Andrew DeFaria)
PHP - images, PS fonts: libt1 returned error -2 ("forge")
Re: Tips: Debian is very good (= (Michael Perry)
Re: system.map ("Eric en Jolanda")
Re: system.map (Michael Heiming)
Re: bzip, rpm files in Windows ("muzh")
Re: Reinstalling Win98 on a dual boot system ("Glitch")
Re: Formatting a partition in Linux? ("Glitch")
Re: Reinstalling Win98 on a dual boot system ("Glitch")
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From: Andrew DeFaria <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: alt.windows-me,alt.windows98,comp.os.ms-windows.misc
Subject: Re: Windows ME and Windows 98 and Linux comp.
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 23:26:20 -0800
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Steve Lamb wrote:
> On Thu, 29 Mar 2001 20:39:40 -0800, Andrew DeFaria <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> Gotta love people posting in anything other than ASCII.
>
> >Looks like ASCII to me! :-)
>
> Sorry, don't consider multi-part MIME "ascii" since it can include other things like
>HTML, binaries, or in your case, a vcard. None of which is considered scrictly ASCII.
Regardless of what you consider, it is ASCII! :-)
> >> I don't. If you looked at any given person's day you'd find that there is
> >> a lot of time spent doing nothing.
>
> >This is not the same as "most people rarely do anything productive".
>
> Sure it is, worded slightly differently.
Sure you can malign the words anyway you want to, however most rational people know
the difference.
> >Sure, for each single occurrence the amount of time is small. But it adds up.
>
> Touch luck.
No it's not "touch" [sic] luck - it's reality! Get used to it! :-)
> >Some people do not want to be bothered with the silly rules that others make
> >up for their own convenience.
>
> And? Their inconvenience somehow overrides social standards?
Exactly! Perhaps you're getting it!
> Hey, I'm as Libertarian as the next, well, Libertarian, but at least I understand
>that when you enter a society you should learn and abide by that society's standards
>or suffer the consiquences.
To a point. And the point is where it makes sense. Where it doesn't make sense people
refuse to abide by silly and arbitrary rules. You're just seeing the effect of that
and, unfortunately for you, it seems to bother you so. Bummer.
> >Some people have better things to do than to scroll around and trim postings.
> >Listen, for you and I, trimming postings is a snap. But for many, many others
> >it does take a lot of time and effort.
>
> This statement is based on the very suspect premise that their time is somehow more
>valuable than the multitude of people who will waste timw downloading & reading their
>crap and more than the cost to transmit and store that crap. Sorry, no one's time is
>worth that much.
Sorry but to them it is demonstrable that they believe their time is indeed worth that
much.
> That is why those "silly rules" are in place.
Those silly rules are in place because they made sense - but in the 60's. Hey it's the
21st century! :-)
> Don't like it, tough, suffer the consiquences.
There are no consequences that I am suffering. Seems like you're suffering some
consequences but only because you wish to remain in the past. Again, bummer (for you).
> Just so happens that those consiquences are just like in real life. You get people
>telling you the proper way to behave and until you heed their advice you'll continue
>to get it along with a load of shunning, insults and outright abuse.
Yes some people are always assholes no matter what. I know this and accept this. Big
deal.
> All of which, IMHO, are justly deserved since, unlike many of the rules and taboos
>in real world societies, there are concrete reasons why these rules are in place that
>are easily explained and only one who is intentionally attempting to be rude would
>ignore them.
Yeah, right. I bet you wish these horseless carriages are just a fad too! History is
full of such nay sayers. Again, big deal.
> >Everybody values things differently. Part of being polite is to recognize
> >that while you may not value it, it may be very valuable to somebody else.
> >Forcing your viewpoint of what is valuable or not on others, and lambasting
> >them for their choices of what is valuable to them is by itself rude and
> >inconsiderate.
>
> Not when one positions can clearly be demonstrated to have a far larger consiquence
>upon what is being measured. The top-poster is lazy and saves maybe 1 minute of time
>on even a large post from not trimming. All the people who transmit that message far
>outweigh that minute.
In nanoseconds, mind you.
> All the people who then go on to read it far outweigh that minute. All the people
>who then need to puzzle over what the hell they were replying to outweight that
>minute.
Does it really take you a whole minute to recognize a top post?!? I don't think so.
Most news readers allow you to skip the remaining post with a single keystroke.
Contrast that with how many keystrokes are requires to scroll to the bottom then
scroll up to find where the bottom poster started.
> Hell, just all the extra time propigating it to all the hosts that will carry it I
>dare say will exceed that minute!
Maybe a minute's worth of CPU time. Given that why the hell are we arguing?!?
> I'm sorry, but when someone comes in and flat out says, "My time is more valuable
>then ALL of yours COMBINED" they are being rude and inconsiderate and those who are
>pointing out their mistake are clearly in the right.
In the right in your mind! There are really not that many more in the set of "all of
yours combined". There are really only a small amount of people who this really
bothers. You happen to be one of them. Bummer.
> >No it is not relevant. People place more value on their time than to spend it
> >painfully trimming things just to make you happy.
>
> No, it is relevant.
Not to them, which is my point.
> They are abiding by proper behavior. If they don't have the time think of all the
>free time they'll have not reading newsgroups.
Huh?
> >Because it is easy for them. Have you ever watched a person who types with
> >two fingers searching for where the next letter is? Hey, to me playing guitar
> >is easy. But I've been doing it for a while. I do recognize that for most
> >people playing guitar is very difficult. You think everybody types like you.
> >Your wrong!
>
> Irrelevant.
No exactly relevant.
> Even a two-finger hunt-and-pecker (my father) can pick up the mouse, mark text, hit
>del and continue on. Laziness and lack of trying is no
> excuse for bad manners, period. Didn't your mother teach you that?
It's irrelevent what my mother taught me or whether or not people are being lazy. I'm
just telling you what is. Accept it or not. Regardless of what you think it is what it
is, and fighting it is futile. However you are perfectly welcomed to bang your head
against this wall even if you refuse to believe that the wall is there.
> >Ah it's an "America, love it of leave it" attitude. You are the shining
> >example of tolerance and understanding I see. You can continue to look at it
> >as an excuse. I'm just trying to tell you what is. You can continue to ignore
> >reality if you like.
>
> It is you that can continue to ignore reality.
No reality is exactly what you are experiencing. I have no control of it. I'm just
trying to assist you in understanding why you are seeing what you are seeing.
> You are arguing against bad behavior as a whole.
This doesn't even make any sense!
> Surely if I were to come over to your house, open the fridge, start eating a bowl of
>jello that you were wanting for later you'd be put out. But, hey, I don't want to
>abide by your "silly rules", my time is valuable. I'm hungry and that jello looked
>tasty. Oh, and the frozen pizza would be nice and filling. I'll leave you with the
>week old chinese
Again, the Internet is not at all equivalent to my house!
> Go ahead, I dare you to try to tell me that is somehow different than
> being rude online. Please. I'm begging you.
OK I told you. My house, my private property is not at all similar to the Internet,
which is much more like a public park than a private residence. Now if you wish to go
to a public park and behave in a manner you see fit, but in a manner which I wouldn't
see as fit, I would merely observe your behavior and perhaps say "What an asshole"
however I would not walk up to you and insist that you abide by my arbitrary rules.
However change that to my house, my private property in which you need my explicit
permission to enter and I would then attempt to enforce my arbitrary rules, precisely
because it is my house. But on public property I would not feel just in enforcing my
arbitrary rules on you. Do you understand the difference?
> I don't think anyone would say that the above paragraph was anything but rude. Why
>is it? Because I am presuming my time is worth more than something of value to you.
>Namely your privacy, your property. IE, for no other reason because I felt like it,
>I went and deprived you of something of worth.
Again you're making no sense here!
> >It is an agreement by a bunch of people long ago. As such I would think that
> >there are some who do not agree.
>
> It is an agreement by many, many people developed over the years. In
> fact, the RFC documenting those guidelines was published in 1995. Whether or not
>people /now/ disagree with it has no bearing on the matter.
Sure it does. Life moves onward. So should you.
> I don't agree with the idea of having a dress shirt and tie to wear to work.
Nor do I. But many people used to and some still do.
> It is one of those social guidelines that has come about.
Very much like the RFC, which is my point.
> I can either abide by it, or I can buck it. If I buck it I better be fully prepared
>for the consiquences. That's the facts, Jack.
Yes and in some circumstances abiding by it makes sense and in other circumstances it
doesn't. Generally the circumstances are concerned with the ownership or dominion of
the environment. The Internet is by definition public, open, free and anarchistic.
> >The Internet is not a restaurant. Top posting is not the same as burping, etc.
>
> Yes, top posting is the same as rude and inconsiderate behavior in any
> other venue.
No it isn't. Not any more than a restaurant is the same as a bathroom or a house is
the same as a public park. Things are different. Get used to it.
> >Similar social conduct and conventions of behavior have been established in
> >many social situations. And they are constantly changing and being challenged
> >as society changes.
>
> Yes, but there is a difference there and here.
Please explain your point.
> >Be they long hair of the 60's, strange clothing, body piercing, work attire,
> >school uniforms, etc. We have seen many times that many of the "rules" or
> >conventions are not necessary and that people want to be free to express
> >themselves. I mean don't you often here of the concept often mentioned with
> >the internet of information freedom, etc. Why then do you hold so steadfastly
> >to such restrictive and relatively arbitrary rules of conduct?
>
> Because they have quantifiable reprecussions to others. All of the above do not.
>Top-posting is rude BECAUSE... I've outlined those reasons. In each case you're
>costing people time, space, or both far in excess in any saved from being lazy and
>rude.
What, like $0.03 or so? Hey I'll send you a check! :-)
Top posting is not the problem that you are complaining about. Non trimming is the
problem you are talking about. And I see tons of waste caused by non trimming by top,
bottom and inline posters. Hey I agree with you - people should trim the fat. However,
I, unlike you, do not spend a lot of my time bitching at people for not trimming.
Inform them in a nonjudgmental, non bitchy manner and you might be able to get more
people to agree with you.
> My ear being pierced doesn't have a negative impact on my job performace.
Huh? What does this have to do with anything? Oh, I see, you're trying to relate
fashion styles with relevance and wastefulness. Again, I was only pointing out to you
that society often makes very arbitrary rules that others in society just refuse to
conform to. I agree sometimes such rules have some merit. But again it is demonstrable
that sometimes people, regardless of the utility of the rule, will simply not obey it.
In such cases the wise man will adapt and the ignorant man will just rant and rave.
Which do you want to be?
> >Try being less sarcastic!
>
> Try getting a clue.
I have a clue. Many of them. Again, try being less sarcastic and less bitchy and
perhaps more people will listen to what you have to say. Hey, it's just friendly
advice. Take it or leave it. It's up to you.
> Reasons why vcards are stupid. We already got this. As I said, go to a singles bar
>if you want to hand out personal information blindly to strangers.
> --
> Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your
> ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls.
My vcard is not very much unlike your "signature". I can say the same thing of your
signature "I've already got this". And "I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your
main connection to the switchboard of souls" is totally irrelevant and unnecessary!
There's no real difference here except that my vcard is longer and has some structure
to it that your new reader doesn't understand. Bummer.
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From: "forge" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: PHP - images, PS fonts: libt1 returned error -2
Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 09:36:09 +0200
Hi...
I am generating images using PHP and type 1 fonts.
Sometimes T1lib doesn't work:
Warning: libt1 returned error -2 in /WWW/test.php on line 14
What is error -2 ? How can I solve this problem ?
Chris
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Michael Perry)
Subject: Re: Tips: Debian is very good (=
Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 07:57:32 -0000
On 30 Mar 2001 16:55:20 -0500, John Brock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>As I remember the rap on Debian was that they spend so much time
>testing everything that they are always way behind everyone else
>in terms of having the latest and greatest stuff. Is this still
>true?
>
so, take a cruise of www.debian.org and visit the unstable tree. I run
unstable here on a few systems. Unstable is nice. The other nice thing is
that others want choice. They may want a stable distribution so there is
potato. Others may want a semi-stable and tested distribution and there is
testing. Then others like to play. For them Sid exists. A friend
remarked a few days ago "unstable is stable". Perhaps that is true. I have
been religiously upgrading unstable to the bleeding edge and it just plain
works.
Name another distribution that gives you three different playgrounds. :)
--
Michael Perry
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "Eric en Jolanda" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: system.map
Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 10:33:32 +0200
> > If you don't know what it's for, you don't need it.
> > Don't bother with that file yet, just leave it where it is.
> > (You could use it for debugging, if you must know)
> >
> > Eric
> >
> >
>
> typically people who query a newsgroup like to get their questions
answered
> in full and as accurately as possible. what you've basically told him is,
> "if you don't know what an alternator is, your car doesn't need it." why
> reply, if you're not going to help? the only thing you've done is leave
him
> even more confused than before.
once more: please read.
I told him exactly what it was for, and that he doesn't need it.
I have no clue on what an alternator may be, try the Dutch word, perhaps
then I know what you mean, but if you must make a car analogy: I told him
that an analysis tool to check the composition of the exhaust gasses is
useless for him, if he doesn't know what it's for, or how to use it.
Eric
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Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 10:44:38 +0200
From: Michael Heiming <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: system.map
green wrote:
>
> Question what do you do if you have multi versions of kernels ? e.g. 2.2,
> 2.4, different configs etc.
>
> System map can't match all.
That's right,
cp /usr/src/linux/System.map /boot/System.map-<kernel ver>
and the kernel will know, wich one to use, or you get in
/var/log/messages:
Warning: /boot/System.map has an incorrect kernel version.
But the System will run, as Peter T. Breuer posted to this thread.
Michael Heiming
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From: "muzh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: bzip, rpm files in Windows
Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 20:48:11 +1200
I know Winzip can deal with .gz and .tar.gz files -- not sure about
.bzip2 or .rpm, though --
I believe .rpm uses a similar compression to .tar.gz -- so winzip might
be able to make something of it --
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Dennis Rasey"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Mon, 22 Jan 2001 12:24:25 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Thaddeus L
> Olczyk) wrote:
>
>>OK. Sorry to bring up "the other platform", but since bzip and rpm are
>>Linux tools I feel this forum is appropriate. Are there any tools out
>>there that will allow me to view bzip and rpm files on Windows, similar
>>to WinZip?
> Thad,
> There's a program called Power Archiver
> (http://powerarchiver.efront.com/)
> It says it'll do bzip2 (I have no idea what the difference between bzip
> & bzip2).
> It does not mention RPM's though.
> Hope this helps.
> Dennis
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From: "Glitch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Reinstalling Win98 on a dual boot system
Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 02:40:23 -0500
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"Roger Levy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Okay, I run a dual-boot RH7.0/Win98 system on a single harddrive
> (FIPS-partitioned Windows/boot/swap/Linux), and boot with LILO. I seem
> to have screwed up something important on the Windows side so I'm
> planning on reinstalling Windows. However I seem to remember that this
> can be dangerous for the Linux system. In particular I seem to recall
> that LILO can get cavalierly wiped out during a Windows reinstall, but I
> can't find any hard information on the topic.. Anyone have experience
> with this and/or know what I need to watch out for?
>
LILO is put onto the MBR of the hard drive. When you install Windows it
ungraciously puts its own boot loader there w/o asking you if u want it
there, thus overwriting LILO. Go ahead and install Windows but have
rescue disk handy for Linux so you can boot into Linux. Once you reach a
linux prompt just run /sbin/lilo and that will put LILO back onto the
MBR.
Any reason why you sent this to the .portable newsgroup?
hth
brandon
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From: "Glitch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Formatting a partition in Linux?
Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 02:45:04 -0500
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "KCmaniac"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Thanks Juergen for you response:
>
> Juergen Heinzl wrote:
>
>
>> dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda1 bs=512
>
> What is /dev/zero?? Is this supposed to mean write zeros as standard
> input to sda1, 512 bytes at a time? Again what is /dev/zero?
>
>
>> You can use mkswap, too but then you'd have to change the partition
>> type first.
>
> This seems rather cumbersome in that you mean I would have to use fdisk
> and change the device ID to Linux swap or 82 and then use mkswap on it?
> Then change the ID back to Linux Native or 83?
>
if the partition will be a swap partition why would u convert it to type
83 after running mkswap? Forego the last changing of the type. Don't
forget the swapon command to make teh swap partition active though.
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From: "Glitch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Reinstalling Win98 on a dual boot system
Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 02:49:32 -0500
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"Roger Levy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Okay, I run a dual-boot RH7.0/Win98 system on a single harddrive
> (FIPS-partitioned Windows/boot/swap/Linux), and boot with LILO. I seem
> to have screwed up something important on the Windows side so I'm
> planning on reinstalling Windows. However I seem to remember that this
> can be dangerous for the Linux system. In particular I seem to recall
> that LILO can get cavalierly wiped out during a Windows reinstall, but I
> can't find any hard information on the topic.. Anyone have experience
> with this and/or know what I need to watch out for?
>
> Thanks in advance for any advice.
>
>
> Roger Levy
>
LILO is put onto the MBR of the hard drive. When you install Windows it
ungraciously puts its own boot loader there w/o asking you if u want it
there, thus overwriting LILO. Go ahead and install Windows but have
rescue disk handy for Linux so you can boot into Linux. Once you reach a
linux prompt just run /sbin/lilo and that will put LILO back onto the
MBR.
Any reason why you sent this to the .portable newsgroup?
hth
brandon
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