Here is my 2c worth seeing I initiated the original post,
I want to thank Dennis for replying, as otherwise I would not have found out
about his product. I did not consider it spam, as I did actually ask for the
info. i.e. it was not unsolicated.
After I evaluated teh product I will be using Linux regardless of whether BSD is
better or not, as I know Linux and have no experience on the other. If the
product does what it states then I will be more than happy and save myself $14K
AUD (price of packeter).
Thanks for everyones help & lets not start an OS flame war especially with two
decent OS's (hey NT I could understand ;-)....please....
Stephen Eaton
Dennis wrote:
> At 08:53 AM 5/15/99 -0400, you wrote:
> >
> >Denis,
> >
> >Ingress processing for Linux now is available for Linux. Still being tested.
> >Measurement tools etc are also in the works. Your noise contribution
> >on this list is going to be very limited, Soon.
>
> LOL..now available..still being tested. Just like bridiging, x.25 and lots
> of other things that dont work. You are smudging the os by announcing that
> things are available that are unusable by anyone with real needs. That is
> one of my points. Every time someone gets something "kind-of working" its
> becomes a feature of the OS.
>
> >
> >Now in regards to BSD: If Linux was so useles, why are you
> >bothering with drivers for Linux?
>
> Its not useless. What is wrong with you dopey people? Its just a lot more
> work to do the same things and more likely to have things that dont work
> well. Our linux drivers work very well. There are lots of people running
> linux system s than need T1 and T3 cards. It can be made to work...but if I
> was starting from scratch and didnt have experience with either one, I'd
> chose BSD. People who switch to BSD rarely go back. Its just a cleaner O/S.
>
> >You might refer to the consistency in BSD as stability; some of us
> >look at it as lack of progress. You are still stuck with mbuffs,
> >for example.
>
> Yes I do. People with T3 lines can't afford to wait 6 months for gateD to
> stop being flakey.
>
> You think skbuffs are an improvement? Lets attach every piece of info we
> can to the buffer and pass it around. And when are they gonna add chaining
> to sk_bufs so you dont have to allocate enormous receive buffers for large
> MTUs? Pretty efficient to allocate a 5000 byte buffer because you might get
> an occasional large frame on a serial line. mbufs are only slower when
> chaining is used, and now chaining is only used when necessary. skbufs are
> an amateurish concept and break the rules of layered networking. sk_bufs
> were the major cause of instability in 2.0 kernels.
> >
> >For the interested: The June issue of the Linux Journal has an article
> >on IP Bandwidth Management (that I wrote). It might shed some light
> >on what is available on 2.2
> >Also, the Ottawa Linux Symposium will feature a tutorial on how to
> >use these features. A live setup (and hopefully some of the tools freely
> >available then) will be part of the demo. Sign up at: linux.achilles.net
>
> What is available is irrelevent. You have to be a linux hacker to get it to
> work, and thats the point. People dont want to dick around with the os for
> days to get it to work. At some point, perhaps the stuff in linux will be
> as effective as our ET/BWMGR, but it will never be as easy to use or
> install or as useful to a specific target group as ours is.
> >
> >Thanks for providing the inspiration, Denis. Maybe this will inspire you
> >to shift your strategies.
>
> LOL...selling to hackers like yourself has never been a "strategy"...guys
> who would rather spend hundreds of hours struggling with experimental code
> rather than pay $495. for a proven commercial product are nobody's "target
> market". When you've got 3500 hosts limited in production environment then
> you can talk. And by the time you do, I'll be 10 steps ahead of you.
>
> There's lots of "bandwidth manager" products that dont work very
> well...writing articles and producing commercial quality products are two
> different animals, my friend.
>
> Dennis
>
> Note the 2 "n"s jammmal. :-)
>
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>
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>
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