Linux-Networking Digest #906, Volume #9 Sun, 17 Jan 99 03:14:14 EST
Contents:
Not quite as simple as the HOWTO would make one think ... (Guy Stalnaker)
Re: External ISDN adapter - Does it need to use mlppp? (David Heinzinger)
Re: Samba and "Sendmail" on a notebook (Peter W)
Re: ip masquerading and icq (Paul)
Dhcp-2.0b1pl6 Problems (Philip Wall / Wild Card)
Hostname changes after PPP connection (Paul Wehmeier)
SOS SOS SOS HELP HELP HELP SOS SOS SOS ("CRASH")
Re: NT to Linux 'find computer' problem. ("greyman")
Re: in.ftpd ("greyman")
Re: FTP Shutdown, how to restart ("greyman")
Re: [Q] 3c905B TX using DHCP (Jason)
IMAP/POP and sendmail question? ("Colin Stefani")
DNS, Named 4.1, Named 8.2 (Jordy Leduc)
Linux Networking (Yiqing Liang)
Re: ip-masquerading (Bart)
Redhat Linux 5.2 Sendmail slow to authenticate sender address
([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Hackers used my linuxserver be hacked gateway How to fixing? (Jayasuthan
[VorHacker])
Re: Netgear RT328 Config? No Support from Bay Networks! (Brian Wallingford)
Allied Telesyn NIC support (AT-2500?) (Pekka Savola)
Re: Need TCP/IP routing guru assistance (root)
Re: This is Linux, not Windows, so why not superior flexibility AND idiot-friendly?
(root)
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From: Guy Stalnaker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Not quite as simple as the HOWTO would make one think ...
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 23:06:58 -0600
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sorry to weight you all down, but I need help getting netatalk up and
running.
1. I have a 486, 16Mb RAM, 500M hard drive, Linux Slackware 3.6, kernel
2.0.35, compiled by me yesterday to get enet card and confirm appletalk
support
2. I have a 3Com enet card, 3c507, that the kernel correctly finds when
it boots up:
3c507.c:v1.10 9/23/94
eth0: 3c507 at 0x300, 00 60 8c 5a d9 d3, IRQ 10, external xcvr, memory
0xd0000-0xd3fff
3. I'm running on UMSDOS, but all is well (due to harddrive issues).
4. I get a lot (nearly three pages worth) of "unresolved smybol(s)"
errors when the boot process gets to "Updating module dependencies for
Linux 2.0.35" even after "make modules" and "make modules_install"
(which, BTW, I did not do before I restarted with the new kernel, but
have subesquently done, such action having no effect on the errors).
5. SLIP and PPP modules load.
6. Daemons syslogd, klogd, portmap, inetd, lpd, mountd, nfsd and
sendmail all load without error
7. The box is currently in a DHCP network environment. I downloaded and
installed the dhcpcd daemon, and it works (that is, ifconfig reports
that the dhcp server provides the box with an IP/IP gateway/Netmask and
I can use lynx, for example, to connect to remote sources). There are
problems, however. I cannot use DNS services, though the dhcp daemon
clearly knows that they exist (thus I can use lynx to connect to an site
via IP [using the IP numbers rather than the name], but I cannot connect
using the name. ncftp will not connect to any site. I can ping the
linux box using its assigned ip.
8. I followed the netatalk HOWTO to download and install netatalk,
without success.
9. I edited the Makefile per HOWTO instructions, adding the DSHADOWPW
flag, commenting out the PAM and DES lines (I have a Slackware install
and I read the HOWTO to say that I don't need them).
10. TCP Wrappers was already installed.
11. The netatalk compile fails at link time looking for: rpcsvc. This
directory is clearly in /usr/include.
12. So I downloaded the compiled archive and did a make install
13. No errors.
14. I copied the appropriate files to the appropriate places
(/usr/local/atalk)
15. I ran rc.atalk.bsd and go no errors.
16. The box does NOT show up in my Mac's Chooser anywhere (either under
AppleTalk zones or as an item in any zone I can see; Q: exactly *where*
ought the Linux box to show up in the chooser? as an AppleTalk Zone?).
17. I went back and added information to the asdf.conf file. No change.
18. I *can* ping out from this box to an IP. I *cannot* ping to a named
ip (eg., ping bagend.doit.wisc.edu results in an "unknown host" error,
ping 128.104.19.110 get the expected results).
19. I have started netatalk this way:
rc.atalk.sysv start
and gotten no response, no error, and nothing in the Chooser of my Mac.
I typed this:
/usr/local/atalk/etc/afpd -F /usr/local/atalk/etc/afpd.conf
and got no errors.
BUT,
I CAN do an IP connection through my Mac's Chooser (the dhcp served
ip I can find via ifconfig), *but*, I cannot log in with the only
non-root user account on the box (my personal account). I CAN connect
as guest (and the connection shows up as buckland, the box's name), but
no volumes show up in the box to which I can then mount.
Comments or suggestions are *greatly* appreciated. BTW, all that I want
this linux box for is to be a print server for an Apple LaserWriter
Select 310 printer on a small household hub/network. It will do NOTHING
else (no ppp, slip, novell).
Regards,
Guy S.
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J. Guy Stalnaker
DoIT-Emerging Media Tech. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
1210 W Dayton St Rm 4212 wk. 608.263.8035
Madison WI 53706 fax 608.263.3846
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From: David Heinzinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Re: External ISDN adapter - Does it need to use mlppp?
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 06:09:54 +0000
I have never heard of mlppp...... To get my ta to work I have to lift
up the phone on one of the lines to connect. I know I have all my name
servers and stuff right because they work perfectly on one B channel.
Please HELP!
--
Dave.
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From: Peter W <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Samba and "Sendmail" on a notebook
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 00:05:21 -0500
Daniel Hogan wrote:
> I have my notebook computer configured to browse the internet using a
> network. When I take this computer off the network and to boot it up, it
> takes forever. It always stays on Sendmail for about 10 minutes and Samba
> for about 30 minutes. Is there anyway to shorten the timeout wait?
Put valid hostname in /etc/hosts for 127.0.0.1. Make sure you have a domain in
/etc/resolv.conf
HTH,
-Peter
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From: Paul <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: ip masquerading and icq
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 05:42:39 +0000
Chris Eng wrote:
>
> hello all,
>
> i have a machine set up with redhat 5.1, kernel 2.0.35 running
> ip masquerading. just about every application i use (web, ftp,
> telnet, realaudio, aol instant messenger, etc) has worked fine
> without any intervention on my part.
>
> icq ALMOST works. it connects, i can send and receive messages
> from people (haven't tried it with files yet), but it refuses
> to allow me to use the chat feature! it just times out waiting
> for the other party to respond. or vice versa. has anybody
> experienced this problem or found a way to fix it?
>
> do i need to use ipautofw? i have read a lot of pages that
> say you have to install ipautofw to do a lot of the things that
> i can already do without it, so i thought maybe the ip masq
> support in newer kernels made ipautofw obsolete.
>
> any help would be appreciated (please cc to my e-mail if at
> all possible -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]).
>
> thanks,
> chris
Yeah, you have to use ipautofw to forward some ports to your windows box for ICQ.
I think ICQ wants at least 11 ports (could be 7, I forget). You can find out when
you setup ICQ to use the ports you have assigned it. If you need more info / help,
feel free to ask me.
Paul Laufer
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From: Philip Wall / Wild Card <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Dhcp-2.0b1pl6 Problems
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 17:05:18 -0600
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I'm running Slackware 3.4, kernel 2.0.36 on a laptop. I'm trying to
use ISC's dhcp-2.0b1pl16 on this machine for the extra scripting I can
do in the DHCP client itself for setting up routes and IP's on networks
I attach to that don't have a DHCP server.
Problem I'm having is that with the 2.0 client all I see are
"send_packet: Network is unreachable" errors on networks that I know
have DHCP servers. Mind you I've tried the .70 client on this same
machine and it works flawlessly. But I do need the extra scripting power
of the 2.0 software.
Does anyone have a working dhclient-script script that will set the
proper routes so that the software will work correctly? Or is there
something obvious I am missing?
The 2.0 server software works well without a hitch. I have a linux
DHCP server running the 2.0 software serving 95/98 and NT machines with
no problems.
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Handle:Wild Card
e-mail:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Thought of the day:
Disc space -- the final frontier!
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Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 00:24:20 -0600
From: Paul Wehmeier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Hostname changes after PPP connection
I have been runnign Redhat 5.0 (and Netcfg) to get a ppp connection.
Recently, I noticed that my hostname changed from "localhost" to
"slip-xx-xxx-xxx-xx" (the x's represent the dynamicIP address that my
service provider has assigned to me. The first problem I noticed was
that I couldn't start a second application until I logged out and back in
again. Then the new hostname would appear on my shell prompt. Later I
noticed mail delivery problems. Fetchmail would pull in mail but when I
opened up my MUA (Pine 3.96) there was nothing there. Sendmail would
complain about returned mail. Here are a few of Sendmail's messages:
Returned mail: local configuration error
Config error: mail loops back to me
I never had hostname or mail problems before. I should mention that I
upgraded my Kernel to 2.0.36-1 and pppd to 2.3.3-2. I know the problem is
due to something I did but due to time factors, I'm not sure exactly what
it is. Any suggestions would be appreciated
Paul Wehmeier
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From: "CRASH" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: SOS SOS SOS HELP HELP HELP SOS SOS SOS
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 14:42:24 -0000
Hie there,
I am a newbie to Linux and is having difficulty to configure
my Linux to enable networking.
My system is a 166MMX PC installed with Slackware 3.4
I tried to perform the following to eable networking :
1. did "make config" in the /usr/src/linux directoryafter I have su to
the superuser root.
2. After completing the configuration, proceeded to set the dependencies
within the kernel and clean out old object modules by typing "make dep" then
"make clean" after the first one has been completed
3. Next I then compiled the kernel by typing "make zImage"
What bothered me is what I saw in the last few lines of the output at the
end of the compilation which goes as follows
"Root device is (3,2)
Boot sector 512 bytes
Setup is 4336 bytes
System is 560 KB
System is too big
Make [1]:***[zImage] Error 1
Make [1]:Leaving directory '/usr/src/linux-2.0.30/arch/i386/boot'
Make :***[zImage] Error 2 "
4. Install the 'newly compiled kernel' by typing "make
modules_install" . The output then output was that THE FILE REQUIRED IS
MISSING. ( something about *.o)
CAN ANYONE GIVE ME A CLUE WHAT IS GOING ON. I BADLY WANT TO USE LINUX AND
REMOVE WINDOW95 FROM MY SYSTEM.
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From: "greyman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: NT to Linux 'find computer' problem.
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 21:05:32 +1000
Rich Mycroft wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
[snip]
>a login and get back the message "\\linuxserver is not accessible. The
>account is not authorized to login from this station." Clues please.
You need to setup encrypted passwords in samba. In my version of samba doc
files there is one called ENCRYPTION.txt which gave me all the stuff I
needed. I think that you will need a recent version of samba to handle NT
OK.
>Another little issue. Do a "shutdown -h now" on the linux box and it hangs
>after displaying "shutting down gpm mouse service" , which then leaves me
>with no way out (that I know of) other than to turn the damn machine off.
>This causes disk checks when I reboot - and I'm VERY nervous about having
to
>do this.
It sounds like you have an AB switch for monitor, keyboard and mouse. If you
switch to another machine then back, the gpm mouse services 'loses' the
mouse and all it needs is some mouse movement to get it going during
shutdown.
Greyman
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "greyman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: in.ftpd
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 20:56:49 +1000
Get the wu-ftpd-....i386.rpm file from the redhat site. It will then install
in.ftpd
Greyman
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
PhilBurt wrote in message ...
>I installed RedHat 5.0 on an 80 mb hard drive, just so I can run a simple
>server to run e-mail, telnet, ftp, etc. Simple stuff. I chucked out as
>much stuff as possible and it all fit. Except for some reason, ftp doesn't
>work. I must have missed it in the install somewhere. I looked and there's
>/usr/sbin/in.telnetd and /usr/sbin/in.fingerd, BUT there's no
>/usr/sbin/in.ftpd. I assume that's why ftp doesn't work. (ftp to this
>machine, ftp out works fine) Where can I find in.ftpd so I can install
>that on it's own, rather than going through the install again? I had to
>remove my cd-rom drive to add another hard drive for the /home filesystem,
>so I don't have a cd-rom to use anymore! What and where do I install what
>to get ftp to work?
>
>***Please e-mail me directly when replying!***
>
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
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From: "greyman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: FTP Shutdown, how to restart
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 21:11:39 +1000
/etc/rc.d/init.d/inet restart
This restarts the inet superserver which launches in.ftpd
Greyman
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
M. Wijtkamp wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>I did, stupid me, ftpshut and the ftp server is shutdown but how do I
>restart it?
>
>(running RH5.1 and WUFTP)
>
>
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From: Jason <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [Q] 3c905B TX using DHCP
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 23:41:38 -0700
Chang Cheng Chao wrote:
> I had been unsucessfully trying to get this card working under Red Hat 5.2
> for a week now. The card is detected at boot time but I just could not
> connect to any place. When I do a telnet, it complains about Host Name
> Lookup failed. I know it has to do with the DNS servers so I put in
> nameserver xxx.xxx.xxx.x
> nameserver xxx.xxx.xxx.x
> entries into resolv.conf After that when I do a telnet or trying to
> connect to Internet, it will wait for maybe a minute before complaining
> Host Name Lookup failed. Any ideas what might be wrong?
>
> Another question. What exactly is DHCP and do I have to specify name
> servers, routes, gateway and IP information when I'm using DHCP?
>
> Does anyone out there knows any site that has the newest pre-compiled
> module, 3c59x.o, for RH 5.2. I tried to compile 3c59x.c myself but hey
> it gives a few compiling errors. Thanks in advance.
>
> Chang
here it is.
http://cesdis.gsfc.nasa.gov/linux/drivers/vortex.html
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From: "Colin Stefani" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.mail.sendmail
Subject: IMAP/POP and sendmail question?
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 22:47:03 -0800
I am setting up a mail/dns/dhcp Linux server for my office and need a bit of
advice. Our office is about 60 people running mixed unix, mac and pc's, (all
client machines will be used to only retrieve mail, i.e. not as relay hosts
or anything). We have a dual ISDN for internet access. I am interested in
setting up both POP and IMAP for mail retrieval by the machines on the LAN.
So my mail server needs to be set up so that the client machines on the
network can get their mail from it via pop and imap. Now, since I am not a
mail expert and am trying to learn a little something here I have a few
questions: what is a common, or popular configuration for getting a Linux
machine to act as a POP/IMAP server? How does sendmail interface with this?
I realize sendmail is the agent for handling the uucp and/or smtp
connections of delivering and sending mail. But is there any software needed
additionally to use the system as a central POP/IMAP machine? I will pleed
ignorance in this area. So if you have maybe set up or currently administer
a small LAN with a basic email server in this configuration, please email me
with your suggestions. Any help is greatly appreciated.
Thank you,
Colin Stefani
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From: Jordy Leduc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: DNS, Named 4.1, Named 8.2
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 01:45:19 -0500
<!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en">
<html>
Hello..
<p>I had DNS working before when I was using Redhat ver 3.x, It had the
older version of BIND. I have set it up the same, I noticed now it is reading
the file named.conf, instead of named.root It is not working, what other
changes am I missing?
<p>Thanks
<br>
<p>Jordy Leduc
<br>
<br> </html>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Yiqing Liang)
Subject: Linux Networking
Date: 17 Jan 1999 06:59:14 GMT
I am trying to setup networking for my Linux system, which is a kind of
old Slackware. I have done everything in setup/configuration and
netconfig. But I still have problems:
(1) When I run neetstat -i, it does not show the line of "eth0".
(2) When I run netstat -r, it does not shpw loopback line and default
line
(3) When I ping this host, I got error message saying "Network
unreachable"
Would apprciate if anyone can help.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bart)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.alpha
Subject: Re: ip-masquerading
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 08:28:48 +0100
Hi all
I am experiencing the same problem on RH 5.1 / Noname. The suggested lines
below are not working either...
I thought it had to do with too small packets from ipfwadm for (certain
versions of?) glibc...?
Anyone have a clue?
Bart
>
> Here what I have, because I use 192.168.1.1 as my local gateway
>
> ipfwadm -F -a m -S 192.168.1.0/16 -D 0.0.0.0/0
>
> I assume (below) should work
>
> ipfwadm -F -a m -S 192.168.0.0/16 -D 0.0.0.0/0
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.mail.sendmail
Subject: Redhat Linux 5.2 Sendmail slow to authenticate sender address
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 07:29:56 GMT
Linux Networking Question
Title: "Sendmail slow authenticating addresses"
From: nwaltham
I have redhat line 5.2 and have noticed a problem. If I am in standalone ue no
ethernet card and no ppp connecting, sendmail accepts messages for local
delivery rather fast. I have set up DNS and it all works fine. However if
someone dials in with a PPP connection (the ip it uses is in the DNS)
authentication of the address given in mail from: seems very slow, more
han a minute. Whats it doing? Can I stop it so it goes much faster?
Thanks in advance,Nicholas Waltham
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From: Jayasuthan [VorHacker] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Hackers used my linuxserver be hacked gateway How to fixing?
Date: 16 Jan 99 07:10:00 GMT
Natta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Internal hacker ?.... is a hard stuff ..Get rid of their account. Or chmod and chown
telnet or other network application. Which lead to worst case later. ipfwadm
application will come handy but it will enforce entire system user.
: My Linux server connect to the net but have some one use IMAP and Telnet
: port hacked to another .For best protect How to do?
: Thank you so much
: Best regard
: Natta
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Crossposted-To: comp.dcom.isdn,comp.protocols.tcp-ip,comp.dcom.sys.cisco
From: Brian Wallingford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Netgear RT328 Config? No Support from Bay Networks!
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 22:06:48 GMT
On Fri, 1 Jan 1999, Dale Miracle wrote:
: I have a RT328 I am not using it to connect to my ISDN to my network. I
: would scrap the Netgear program and telnet in to the router. When you
: telnet in you get a menu that is easier to use and doesn't crash like
: their software does. I have called their tech support and they had me
: use the telnet instead of the config program. I just telneted to my
: router and saw these menu options (i don't have these configured because
: I use it to dial out with, not to have someone dialin). 11. Remote Node
: Setup 14. Dial-In user setup 15. SUA Server setup.
Also, the Netgear folks have a .pdf which covers configs and debug which
is reasonably thorough. The console GUI is self-explanatory and is
suitable for many applications, but the CLI's context-help is lacking -
there are some useful commands documented in the pdf. Give them another
ring & ask for it - if need be, email me privately & I'll try to dig it
up.
In general, we've been very happy with this box as CPE & have retired the
unnecessarily expensive Pipe-50's in favor of it.
Sorry for the horribly off-topic (for .cisco) reply.
-Brian
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Pekka Savola)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Allied Telesyn NIC support (AT-2500?)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 08:09:19 GMT
I'm planning to buy a couple of Allied Telesyn's NIC's;
AT-2500 Fast Ethernet PCI 10/100 mbit/s autosensing with full duplex.
There might be a problem though: I don't know if it's supported. The
Allied Telesyn webpage tells me only AT-2000 (its NE2000 -clone card)
is supported, none of the rest are. That information could easily be
old, too. Also, Donald Becker mentions that Linux has support for
almost all PCI cards in market since Sep 98
(http://cesdis.gsfc.nasa.gov/linux/drivers/).. And Win98 has support
for it built-in, and it certainly was in market half a year ago..
For all I know, the cards might have a chip that is supported, even if
AT-2500 (or any other AT-xxxx, for that matter) wasn't specifically
mentioned.
So, is any one of you using Allied Telesyn NICs or know something
about their driver status.
Pekka Savola [EMAIL PROTECTED]
"But today's truth need not be tomorrow's. The watcher had seen
truth change a hundred times between a single sunrise and sunset.
More than once he had changed it himself."
- Robert Jordan: A Crown of Swords
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From: root <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Need TCP/IP routing guru assistance
Date: 16 Jan 1999 00:46:43 +0100
Brian McCauley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Sim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >
> > [root@P350 /root]# traceroute www.netscape.com
> > traceroute: Warning: Multiple interfaces found; using 192.168.0.254 @
>
> This is a well known bug in traceroute. Use -s 0.0.0.0 to suppress
> this bug. Did you try a Usenet search on "traceroute multiple
> interfaces"? No, I thought not.
>
>
Not actually a `bug'. There is the option -i to select the interface
you want to traceroute from, e.g. traceroute -i eth0 www.netscape.com etc.
Your -s 0.0.0.0 solution is valid for unixes which don't offer the -i
option. One example might be FreeBSD.
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From: root <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.portable,comp.os.linux.powerpc,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: This is Linux, not Windows, so why not superior flexibility AND
idiot-friendly?
Date: 16 Jan 1999 00:34:27 +0100
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (MalkContent) writes:
Don't forget that Linux is not *JUST* another os. It's not DOS, not
Windoze,
not MacOS, not OS/2. It's a UNIX clone.
The difficulty in learning to use linux is due to your lack of
knowledge
on UNIX. Believe me there are people you have been using (unix) machines the
past decade and have more trouble learning windoze than other i386 Unix
clones, for instance.
Most of the Linux people (especially those who don't have experience
with
other unices) tend to think it's just an alternative, very stable O/S. The fact
is that Linux - and Free / Net / Open BSD, and Solaris, and ... too - is
indeed stable, because it has been built on the Unix architecture which in
turn has been developing and maturing for almost 25 years now.
Because of the unbreakable link of Linux and the Unix environment,
no matter how simple the OS installation maybe, one must try to learn
the way it works in order to use it effectively.
Even if we had an X-Environment full of little programs doing
everything
(such as mounting and unmounting the cdrom), there would be plenty of cases
where we would be left stuck without being able to do anything. The same thing
happens to windows users who haven't searched the trickier aspects of Windows
administration (the control panel for example).
Those people tend to be happy users for 90% of the time they use
their computer, however when hell breaks lose (which has happened at least
one time to every windoze user, let me assure you) one must be quite
proficient with the old DOS ways as well as other not so user-friendly
methods (Safe mode for example). On those cases, as another guy in this thread
pointed out, those people call their IS senior who does the hard work.
In any case, the effort to make Linux more user friendly must
continue. However, as long as operating systems get more and more
complex and powerful, there will be more effort required from the part
of either the user or the administrator in order to maintain the system.
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