Linux-Networking Digest #143, Volume #10          Mon, 8 Feb 99 02:13:28 EST

Contents:
  Re: Modem sharing with Windows? (Brian Miller)
  Howto setup Modem? (Pratul K Agarwal)
  Re: Environment variable that shows current PPP address? (Luca Filipozzi)
  Re: Netcom & Linux PPP ("Eric Lan")
  Re: ipmasq and identd ("Sean Connolly")
  Re: ipmasq and identd (Luca Filipozzi)
  fetchmail question ("Eric Lan")
  Re: Environment variable that shows current PPP address? ("Quint Van Deman")
  Multiple NIC's bus arbitration problem ("Michael D. Schleif")
  Samba and Win for WG 3.11 ("Jess Canada")
  Re: Timy synchronization (Edmund Lian)
  Re: Environment variable that shows current PPP address? (J. Scott Berg)
  Ping problem ("Wes Hopkins")
  *****   FAQ for this NEWSGROUP   *****                        4715 
([EMAIL PROTECTED])
  NT Domain Help (drew)
  Re: Ping problem (Luca Filipozzi)
  Re: Firewall (Malware)
  Re: My ethernet adapter has moved to an another dimension! (Malware)
  Re: Kernel 2.2.1 (Malware)
  Re: IP address; physical location (Malware)
  Re: 2.2.1 Kernel + IP MASQ + Port Forwarding + PPTP (Malware)
  Re: route.conf against route command (Malware)
  Re: ipforwarding / masquarading (Malware)
  Re: Newbie and auto Dial-up (Malware)
  Re: 10base-T recommendation? (MikeF)

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From: Brian Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: Modem sharing with Windows?
Date: Mon, 08 Feb 1999 14:58:11 +1100

root wrote:
> 
> Hello everyone,
> 
> Another question to appease my Windows users . . . do you know of
> software (GNU or commercial) that allows a Linux connected modem to
> occasionally be commandeered by a Windows workstation for things like
> dialing into banks (much of the account software they provide only
> works with dialins).  Are there proxys or anything that you know of?
> 
> Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
> 
> Later, eh.
> 
> Marcel (Free Thinker at Large) Gagne
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Take a look at:

ftp://mirror.aarnet.edu.au/Linux/LDP/HOWTO/mini/Windows-Modem-Sharing.html

I haven't tried it, but it looks like it's what you are after.

Brian
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From: Pratul K Agarwal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Howto setup Modem?
Date: Sun, 07 Feb 1999 22:22:03 -0500

Hi,

I have installed Red-Hat 5.2 on my Laptop and am trying to connect to my
university using modem. I  have a windows partition and that connects to
university easily (so I know that the connection, modem card works). I
am new to Linux, can anybody help me by giving instructions how to use
my modem with Linux to connect to university.

Thanks!


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Luca Filipozzi)
Subject: Re: Environment variable that shows current PPP address?
Date: Sun, 7 Feb 1999 20:24:53 -0800

In article <gptv2.434$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
> Is there an environment variable that I can use with echo to tell me the
> current ip of the host??
> 
> Brady
> 
> 
> 
How about one of these...

1) if single-hosted machine (one NIC)

hostname -i

2) if dual-hosted machine (two or more NICs)

ifconfig eth0 | sed -ne 's/.*addr:\(.*\) Bcast.*/\1/p'

You can assign the result of these to an environment variable if you 
like.

Hope this helps,

Luca
-- 
Luca Filipozzi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

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From: "Eric Lan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Netcom & Linux PPP
Date: Sun, 7 Feb 1999 20:20:21 -0800

us,ppp,netcomName works for me. maybe you didn't edit /etc/ppp/pap-secrets?


Rob wrote in message <79lb26$k62$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>WTF is up with Netcom and PPP with Linux?
>
>In W95/98 DUN the netcom username is "#netcom_username"
>or you can use "us,ppp,netcom_username"
>
>Well this is fine in DUN, but when I try to connect my linux box to netcom
>the chat script fails.  Propbaly because the # makes the netcom_username
>into a comment.  I have no idea why the "us,ppp,netcom_username" fails, the
>log is below.  I have no problem with my other provider, its simple and
>works, but I want to have the ability to switch between my 2 ISP's
depending
>on who has better (less) lag...
>
>Feb  7 18:42:01 bushwood chat[794]: alarm
>Feb  7 18:42:01 bushwood chat[794]: Failed
>Feb  7 18:42:01 bushwood pppd[791]: Connect script failed
>Feb  7 18:42:02 bushwood pppd[791]: Exit.




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From: "Sean Connolly" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: ipmasq and identd
Date: Sun, 7 Feb 1999 23:20:44 -0500

    I've never had to do anything of the such.  What irc client are you
using though?  Whenever I had somone using mIRC it worked fine except for
DCCing.  Maybe the retrival setup option is wrong.   'course the last
version of mIRC I ever used was 3 something I believe.  ircII for life. =)

Sean

Luca Filipozzi wrote in message ...
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
>> I got ipmasq working on the linux box that has the ppp connection, and
>> can access the web and ftp now from my windows boxes on the lan, but I
>> cannot irc from the windows boxes.  The irc servers are not getting my
>> ident.  What do I need to check?
>>
>You need to run the ip_masq_irc module.
>
>--
>Luca Filipozzi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>



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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Luca Filipozzi)
Subject: Re: ipmasq and identd
Date: Sun, 7 Feb 1999 20:39:24 -0800

In article <EnWu2mxU#[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
says...
>     I've never had to do anything of the such.  What irc client are you
> using though?  Whenever I had somone using mIRC it worked fine except for
> DCCing.  Maybe the retrival setup option is wrong.   'course the last
> version of mIRC I ever used was 3 something I believe.  ircII for life. =)
> 
> Sean
> 
> Luca Filipozzi wrote in message ...
> >In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
> >> I got ipmasq working on the linux box that has the ppp connection, and
> >> can access the web and ftp now from my windows boxes on the lan, but I
> >> cannot irc from the windows boxes.  The irc servers are not getting my
> >> ident.  What do I need to check?
> >>
> >You need to run the ip_masq_irc module.
> >
> >--
> >Luca Filipozzi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
> 
> 
He's trying to IRC from his windoze box, not from his Linux box. IRC 
expects to be able to open a connection back to the client. But since the 
windoze box is masqueraded by the Linux box, the IRC server can't connect 
to the client. So, the ip_masq_irc module needs to be used in order to 
"help" the protocol through the masquerading firewall.
-- 
Luca Filipozzi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

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From: "Eric Lan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: fetchmail question
Date: Sun, 7 Feb 1999 20:35:51 -0800

hi all, i'm running redhat 5.2 and i'm having some trouble using fetchmail
to get mail from my dial in account. everytime i run fetchmail, it logs in
to my pop server ok, but hangs at the line that says something like reading
1 of 3 mail at popd.ix.netcom.com (700 bytes). after that i have to ^c to
get out or it stops there. can anyone point out what could be wrong?

don't know if this is relavent, but the system can send mail, but the return
address is incorrect,  ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) akira is the hostname i
put in /etc/sysconfig/network

thanks.



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From: "Quint Van Deman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Environment variable that shows current PPP address?
Date: Sun, 7 Feb 1999 23:37:38 -0500

If you are talking about your dialup host

the command ifconfig will give you the info you are looking for



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From: "Michael D. Schleif" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Multiple NIC's bus arbitration problem
Date: Sun, 07 Feb 1999 22:41:29 -0600

I have a Digital DECpc LPv+ 450d2 that I am trying to reconfigure as a
router.  I have two (2) identical ISA NIC's, as outlined below, that
function separately and also from a cold boot.  However, on warm reboot,
often the system locks up with the errors posted below.

The HOWTO hints at a `future' solution.  Possibly, I need spend money to
upgrade this PC?  Or, maybe I'm better off with two (2) different NIC's?

What do you think?  I want this router to run headless and automatically
come back up all on its own in all OS cycling circumstances.

NIC markings:
        HP PC LAN Adapter NC/16 TP
        (2100/1500T compatible)
        J2405-60001

Chip markings:
        AM79C960KC
        9609BPB B2

Setup:
        eth0
        I/O 0x300
        IRQ 5
        DMA 6

        eth1
        I/O 0x320
        IRQ 15
        DMA 7

Setup configurator:
        hpncset.exe
        110,881 bytes
        30May1996, 11:33:26 AM

HOWTO Source:
        Linux Ethernet-Howto, by Paul Gortmaker, v2.66, 6 July 1998

        ``One common problem people have is the `busmaster arbitration failure'
message. This is printed out when the LANCE driver can't get access to
the bus after a reasonable amount of time has elapsed (50us). This
usually indicates that the motherboard implementation of bus-mastering
DMA is broken, or some other device is hogging the bus, or there is a
DMA channel conflict. If your BIOS setup has the `GAT option' (for
Guaranteed Access Time) then try toggling/altering that setting to see
if it helps.

        ``Also note that the driver only looks at the addresses: 0x300, 0x320,
0x340, 0x360 for a valid card, and any address supplied by an ether=
boot argument is silently ignored (this will be fixed) so make sure your
card is configured for one of the above I/O addresses for now.''

LILO:
        append = "ether=0,0x300,eth0 ether=0,0x320,eth1"

        LILO: linux ether=5,0x300,eth0 ether=15,0x280,eth1

Error:
        ``eth0: Bus master arbitration failure, status 88f2.''
        ``Couldn't get a free page.....''
        ``/etc/rc.d/rc.M: Out of virtual memory!''
        ``Unable to load interpreter''

-- 

Best Regards,

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think we know.  The more I know, the more I know I don't know . . . "

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From: "Jess Canada" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Samba and Win for WG 3.11
Date: Sun, 7 Feb 1999 21:23:25 -0700

Hello,

I'm a newbie both to Linux and networking, but I wanted to look into setting
up a small network with a server running Linux and a few clients running
Windows for Workgroups v3.11 (they're 386s, so Win95 isn't really an
option).  I've read about how Samba can allow Win 95 clients to access a
Linux server, but is there a way to do this with Windows for Workgroups?

Thanks in advance,

Jess Canada
[EMAIL PROTECTED]



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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Edmund Lian)
Subject: Re: Timy synchronization
Date: Mon, 08 Feb 1999 05:03:01 GMT

On Sun, 7 Feb 1999 09:09:40 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Luca
Filipozzi) wrote:

>In article <79kglb$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
>> I have two time sync issues ...
>> 
>> 1. How do I configure the Linux box (server on our LAN) to get the time
>> from a time server via the Internet?
>Use xntp, a Network Time Protocol (ntp) client and server. Configure it 
>to connect to the Internet to get time. Configure it to broadcast the 
>time in your local subnet.


If you are on an occasionally connected dial-up connection, chrony
will work better for you than xntp. The former isn't as sophisticated
as the latter, but is also very easy to set up.

...Edmund.

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (J. Scott Berg)
Subject: Re: Environment variable that shows current PPP address?
Date: 8 Feb 1999 04:36:33 GMT

In article <gptv2.434$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Brady <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Is there an environment variable that I can use with echo to tell me the
>current ip of the host??

There will never be such an environment variable available the entire
system because pppd would have to create that environment variable,
and it is highly unlikely that the tty or program that you want to run
is a child of pppd.

You can do one of two things: ifconfig will output the address, and a
bit of processing with sed will get you the address.  Or, you can use
an ip-up script to write the address to a file somewhere (see the pppd
man page).

                                -Scott Berg


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From: "Wes Hopkins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Ping problem
Date: Mon, 08 Feb 1999 05:51:26 GMT

Hello all,

  I've been going nuts over this problem with "ping".  Somebody please
enlighten me.

 Here's the skinny:

  I can ping any machine on my local network (192.168...) any machine on my
ISP's network (@home) the
@Home network (24.112...) but why can't I ping other stuff like
www.microsoft.com (or microsoft's IP for that matter)

I've got my ISP's DNS severs set up in resolv.conf, and I'm able to use the
net through netscape, ftp,
telnet, etc... but for some reason, I cannot ping.

  Any suggestions?

  Wes
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]



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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: *****   FAQ for this NEWSGROUP   *****                        4715
Date: 6 Feb 99 13:23:23 GMT

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From: drew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: NT Domain Help
Date: Mon, 08 Feb 1999 00:12:44 -0500

I have RedHat 5.2 and would like to login to my school's NT Domain like
i do in Windows 95.  We have access to temporary storage servers, other
servers, and printers through the NT Domain.  How would ould i go about
configuring linux to be able to access the NT Domain?  And after that,
see other students' file servers like i would in Win95 network
neighborhood?  is it even possible?  thanks!
-drew

-- 
Andrew Eldredge-Martin  
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
======================
Haverford College
370 Lancaster Ave.      
Haverford, PA 19041
610-642-5581

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Luca Filipozzi)
Subject: Re: Ping problem
Date: Sun, 7 Feb 1999 22:05:47 -0800

In article <yXuv2.8497$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
> Hello all,
> 
>   I've been going nuts over this problem with "ping".  Somebody please
> enlighten me.
> 
>  Here's the skinny:
> 
>   I can ping any machine on my local network (192.168...) any machine on my
> ISP's network (@home) the
> @Home network (24.112...) but why can't I ping other stuff like
> www.microsoft.com (or microsoft's IP for that matter)
> 
> I've got my ISP's DNS severs set up in resolv.conf, and I'm able to use the
> net through netscape, ftp,
> telnet, etc... but for some reason, I cannot ping.
> 
>   Any suggestions?
> 
>   Wes
>   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> 
> 
One possibility: your ISP may not be allowing icmp packets through. This 
would be very odd, though.
-- 
Luca Filipozzi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

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From: Malware <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Firewall
Date: Sat, 06 Feb 1999 22:22:25 +0100

Hi Josh,

you wrote:
>     The firewall howto is great, and got me this far...but I'm stuck
> because it does not tell me what to do if I can ping the internet side
> of the firewall and not the internet (it just tells me that I have to
> have IP forwarding on to do so).  I have IP forwarding on, so I'm left

You have to enable masquerading. This could be done using the following
command:

/sbin/ipfwadm -F -p accept -m

The NET-3-Howto does mention http://www.hwy401.com/achau/ipmasq/ to have
more information about.

>     If I try to assign a gateway of 192.168.2.1 (which would be the
> firewall computer) route hangs, and I can do nothing over the network
> but ping.  Go figure.

Probably you just did use the wrong syntax and route does want to
resolve one of the words into a ip number which does not work and have
to timeout.

route add default gw 192.168.2.1

should work and accomplish what you want.


Malware

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From: Malware <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: My ethernet adapter has moved to an another dimension!
Date: Sat, 06 Feb 1999 23:00:42 +0100

Hi K.Hanssen,

you wrote:
> couldnt/wouldnt  detect my 3c509b-isa ethernet adapter when hardware was
> probed.
[...]
> The card is in PnP mode.

Setup the card to use a static configuration with the DOS-utility
delivered with the card or use the ISA-PnP-Tools for Linux to set it up
on every boot of Linux. I prefer the first method but it might cause
conflicts with other ISA PnP Cards under Windows but please do not ask
me why.


Malware

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From: Malware <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Kernel 2.2.1
Date: Sat, 06 Feb 1999 22:10:44 +0100

Hi Keith,

you wrote:
> order to compile kernel version 2.2.1.  I was previously using 2.0.35
[...]
> 1.  My routing table is screwed up, it has multiple entries in it and
> some of the entries are wrong.

It's probably caused by the automatic creation of the network routes. If
you add them again they will be there twice. For 2.0 kernels one did
need to add this routes. If some of the these network routes are wrong
then you have misconfigured one of your network interfaces.

> 2.  I can access the internet from the linux machine, but the other
> users cannot.
[...]
> Other than this, everything is fine.  I think if I can get the routing
> table fixed the rest may fall in place, I'm not sure.  I know that I

Yes, you should fix the routing first before trying to forward and
masquerade.


Malware

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From: Malware <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: IP address; physical location
Date: Sat, 06 Feb 1999 22:33:48 +0100

Hi Praveen,

you wrote:
> I need a reliable mechanism to do this which could atleast tell the city or
> state based on the IP address.

Known methods:

1. whois
2. a DNS record named LOC (see RFC 1712)
3. traceroute using the above methods for intermediate systems or using
names of cities appearing in the host-names of routers.


All this methods are inreliable as the wether may not be available for a
host or might return a wrong result. E.g. there is a commercial product
displaying a tracroute graphical on a globe and as soon as the route
goes via a gateway in Amsterdam/USA it will display it to went to
Amsterdam/NL without any step beetween and back to the USA in next step.



Malware

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From: Malware <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: 2.2.1 Kernel + IP MASQ + Port Forwarding + PPTP
Date: Sat, 06 Feb 1999 22:48:03 +0100

Hi Kenneth,

you wrote:
> ipchains. I also used masqing (it works fine). I then used ipmasqadm to
> forward web traffic from the Linux box to the WinNT IP and port. No luck...
> the attempted HTTP connection just timed out. This makes me think that
> either ipmasqadm doesn't work with 2.2.1 or I did something wrong.

Here it does work for a X11-connection. I call it as following:

/usr/sbin/ipmasqadm portfw -a -P tcp -L ${4} 6001 -R 192.168.2.2 6000

Where ${4} is substituted with the IP assigned dynamicly to me.


Malware

PS: All I have no idea about I just left out ;-)

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From: Malware <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: route.conf against route command
Date: Sat, 06 Feb 1999 23:11:30 +0100

Hi R. Denoire,

you wrote:
> As far as I know, one can insert a new route by adding the
> corresponding line into the file /etc/route.conf (SuSE 5.3). But
> again, using the route command (like route add ...etc) seems to work
> too.
> 
> I would like to know the difference. I am very curious because I have
> read different howto files but never found a hint about this issue
> (the *difference*).

route.conf is a configuration file special to the SuSE distribution.
Within the script /sbin/init.d/route the route command is called to
setup the routes based on the data in this config file.

> straightforward to me, while I cannot figure out where a new route
> goes when using the "route add" command (of course, one can always use
> route -n or netstat, but that is another story).

If you use the route command to add a route this route will only stay
aslong the system is up. Entering it into /etc/route.conf it will not
appear directly but only with the next start of the system. Use the
route command to see if the route is working and add it to
/etc/route.conf then.


Malware

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From: Malware <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: ipforwarding / masquarading
Date: Sat, 06 Feb 1999 23:06:31 +0100

Hi Steve,

you wrote:
> problem. However, I do notice that I have problems accessing certain websites
> - the main one being http://members.xoom.com and today I also notice
> http://www.hp.com is also not working. If I go to the main linux box I can
> access the site without any problem but accessing from one of the other local
> machines just results in the site timing out....

There are problems reported with masquerading and Path MTU discovery -
although I did not see one of the network-gurus confirming it. Set the
MTU of your uplink to 1500 if possible. It might help or not.


Malware

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From: Malware <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Newbie and auto Dial-up
Date: Sat, 06 Feb 1999 23:13:45 +0100

Hi David,

you wrote:
> I can manually dial my ISP as through system tools and used my ISP's DNS
> numbers and everything works fine.  How do I get it to run automatically
> especially for ther users like windows does?

Look into diald and/or the autodial feature of the pppd-2.3.5.


Malware

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From: MikeF <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: 10base-T recommendation?
Date: Mon, 08 Feb 1999 06:19:36 GMT

Christian Aasland wrote:
> 
> My experiences... at the bottom is the reason I will never buy cheap
> net-cards again:
> 
> Got a Linux running as  a router between 100TX, 10baseT (still working on
> this) and cable modem... The cards break down as:
> 
>     1. Cable-modem: 3Com 3c900 - PCI 10baseT. Works great! Uses the 3c59x
> "Boomerang/Vortex" driver. $42
>     2. 100TX: 3Com 3c905b - PCI 10/100. $49. Works great.
>     3. 10baseT - 3c509b - ISA, $29. Can't get it to work in Linux.
> 
> The fastest machine in the house has a DECnet (Linksys) 10/100 PCI card
> that has no bus-mastering or I/O offloading (like the 3c905c Parallel
> Tasking cards have). This machine also has the highest ping time when
> connecting to our server. The two 233mmx's running 3c905b's are in the
> 10-15ms range whereas the PII/350 with the Linksys is in the 33-40ms range.
> I haven't tried swapping cards yet, but considering that all machines are
> running Win98, voodoo and 128 megs ram, I'm pretty sure the cheap network
> card is the culprit. Based on this I wouldn't reccommend buying cheap cards
> to try and save a couple $$'s.
> 
> Just my $0.02 - take it for what it's worth!
> 

Here's my config:

srv: 486DX2 66, 40MB ram, generic isa ne2000 eth card, debian linux 2.0.36

Client1: 486DX4 100 40MB ram, pci dlink using tulip chip, win95b

Client2: 486DX2 66, 40MB ram, generic isa ne2000 eth card win95b

On my comp (client1) pinging my linux server (srv) takes 1-2 ms. Client1 to
client2 takes 2-3 ms.

I don't know if your network was in use, but if it wasn't, it would be pretty
sad for a 486 on 10baseT pings faster than a pentium on 100baseT!!

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