Linux-Networking Digest #773, Volume #9 Mon, 4 Jan 99 05:13:38 EST
Contents:
Re: One Way Cable Modem Setup (Jerry Gardner)
Re: Help! Suck problem (Jerry Gardner)
Re: NFS and Win98 ("Thomas Bendler")
This ongoing flame-fest (Moriarty)
Re: Anyone doing Dial-On-Demand? (Chee Choon Cheng (remove "removethis" to e-mail
me))
Re: US modem in UK machine says "NO DIAL TONE" (Ben Elliston)
Clear Netscape Cache (Arthur Chiu)
Re: NT 4 and network problems (Thing)
Re: Help! 2 NICs, 1 router - can ping external NIC from net, can't ping router
("Neil Robinson")
Squid diagnostics and konfiguration (Rolf Meinecke)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jerry Gardner)
Subject: Re: One Way Cable Modem Setup
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 08:25:14 GMT
On Fri, 1 Jan 1999 17:28:40 -0500, William Borland wrote:
>Somewhere I seem to need the connection (binding??) between the 28.8
>outgoing and the cable modem incoming data. This in turn needs to get back
>to the rest of the network either by some magic via the hub or more probably
>via a second eth card (using IPmasq).
The June 1998 issue of Linux Journal has an article about configuring
cable modems under Linux. One of the configurations discussed is
one-way cable.
--
Jerry Gardner | "Bill Clinton has all the steely resolve resolve
[EMAIL PROTECTED] | of a kamakaze pilot on his 37th mission."
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jerry Gardner)
Subject: Re: Help! Suck problem
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 08:25:14 GMT
On Sun, 03 Jan 1999 15:28:50 +0000, Mark Roberts wrote:
>I'm using suck to pull news articles onto a local news server using its
>get.news.rnews script.
>
>During it's download of articles, just after it has worked out how many
>articles to download, I get the message
>
>Can not open /var/lib/news/history, Skipping
What news server are you running? History is simply an ASCII file
containing a record of current and recently expired articles. Perhaps
whatever server you're running either doesn't use a history file, or
it keeps it in a different place.
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From: "Thomas Bendler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: NFS and Win98
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 09:14:56 +0100
Hello Jonathan,
I think in your case it's a little bit difficult. IMHO there is no
NFS-server for win98 for free. So you say Samba works fine, try out to
export a share (directory) on the linux box to your win98 box. After this I
would edit the Systemdienst under win98 and insert a command that copy my
new files in the Samba share every four hours or something like that. The
Linux box can now backup the directory using as a share for win98.
regards Thomas
Jonathan <"jfondow @sprintmail.com> @sprintmail.com>> schrieb in Nachricht
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>I am new, so please bear with me. I have SuSE 5.3 installed on one box
>and win98 on another box, on a home network. I want to be able to mount
>a directory that is on the win98 box so that I can run a cron job to
>back up the directory and write off to tape on the Linux box. I am
>running Samba with no problem. Any help/ideas would be greatly
>appreciated. TIA
>
>
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From: Moriarty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
linux.redhat.install,comp.os.linux.questions,comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: This ongoing flame-fest
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 02:22:42 -0600
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hey all...
I personally like to read this and other Linux related newsgroups for the
same reasons many of your others do: To learn from one another and help one
another, if we are able of course... Unfortunatly, there is now a flame-fest
going on in this thread, and personally, I wish it would stop.
I am not attempting to flame anyone on either the majority users or DG's
side... I am just trying to clear the air... I mean, for many of us, USENET
is more than just newgroups... USENET is a way of life... And, like in the
real world, it is usually better for us to get along and become productive,
than to always be angry and everything get destroyed in a heartbeat...
To DG: I read your first post (the initial post that started this) that
requested help from the members of these groups. I was going to respond to
you, but I first (like usual) read the other people responses to your
responses and, to be honest with you, after re-reading all the posts of this
thread over and over again, I fail to understand why you are so upset with
us. In my opinion (and I'm sure yours and others will have differing ones), I
think many other people at first tried to help you find the easiest, least
time-consuming way to solve your original problem. To be honest with you, I
am all for the idea that one can log on to the net at any time and download
either patches, updates, or the whole smoe of the Linux OS for free. The fact
that it was originally made available by Mr. Torvaldes in the source code
format for free under the GPL is what has enable others and myself to legally
enhance and modify these sources and re-distribute them back on the net so
that others, in whatever way they can, can benefit from the total sum of our
collective knowledge. Now, Mr. DG, I have collaborated with Microsoft before
on several projects and beta testing surveys, and I personally can tell you
the frustration I felt when I needed to re-format my Windows partitions and
do a complete re-install because of some renegade thread in a program which
screwed it all up. I don't know about you, but if the only way you could
restore Windows was to make a disk which has just the proper software, tools,
and drivers on it to just connect to your ISP, and then make the FTP
connection each and every time the system dies, I think you would get rather
tired of repeating this task over and over again... I mean, a good complete
software on Linux, in my opinion is over 500+ MB, and the basic Windows 98
stuff is around what, 240 MB or so? And then, after you have spent the time
required to download the software, then have to spend the time waiting to
install it, you may be looking at several hours (based on the transfer
figures you gave us at 500 MB/2 hours), and having a CD copy, in my humble
opinion, would be a heckuva lot easier to keep on hand then to have to keep
repeatedly downloading over and over again. When the earlier posters
suggested that you make a purchase of one of the various CD-ROMS available,
they were not trying to insult your intelligence, or take away your rights as
an Internet user - they (and I) were just speaking from the experience that
years of tinkering and hassles of trying new things out has taught us. I
believe one gentleman suggested you go to the Cheapbytes website
(http://www.cheapbytes.com) and purchase the Linux distrubution for $1.99
(w/Total shipping charges it comes to around $8.50 or so in US Dollars)...
I honestly believe that these people were not trying to pick on you or start
a fight or deny you anything which you feel you are entitled to. I believe
that they were under the impression from your posts that you had some past
familarity with Linux (RedHat Distributions in particular) and were ready to
make the switch from Windows 9x as your primary OS to Linux. (I myself got
that same impression after reading your initial posts based on how you were
wanting to set up your hardware per your descriptions)... The reason why they
told you to buy the premade CD-ROM was to save you both time and money - I
mean, didn't you yourself say that you didn't want to shell out the cash to
get a CD-ROM burner? No offense to you, but in my opinion, $1.99 + shipping
is *MUCH* *MUCH* cheaper than several hundred dollars for a *good*
CD-ROM burner... I think maybe you mistook these other peoples posts as being
critical of you, when in fact (in my opinion) they were actually trying to
save you some grief... Now, be honest with us here - when you first got to
the point in your self-taught education, how many times did you get to the
point where a re-install of Windows 9x was necessary? Several I bet. Now, it
is true, both of my opinion and of several millions of Linux users (and
Microsoft also, according to their in-house memos) that Linux is far more
stable an environment (especially for development and Net applications) than
Windows 9x / NT, but we also realize that nothing is ever perfect and that
there is always the possibility of a crash or a major bug popping up where a
re-install of all systems maybe necessary. Now do you see why having a backup
CD-ROM would be desireable? I mean, all your drives are wiped: So, you would
have to 1. Set up Windwos 9x all over again. 2. Install the Internet FTP
software 3. Configure the Net stuff 4. Dial-up/Connect and FTP all those
hundreds of MB all over again... 5. Reboot and setup Linux... 6. Configure
everything that you lost in the crash... 7. Fix every little minor detail you
may have missed... And so on and so on... With a CD-ROM, you could take a
good two hours off of this process... Maybe you don't run a website (or maybe
you do), but I know that there are many on USENET who also double as
webmasters and such, and if the servers are down, then they are losing
money... Are you with me so far?
Now, personally, I have no opinion on how you get your money or what you
choose to do with it. if it is your money and you earned it, then you have
ever right to do with it as you see fit. Same with what you choose to do with
your hardware and/or software you already own or already buy... If you were
to decide to go out and buy a K7-500 Mhz CPU in 6 months or so, I would say
more power to you, and I would support you in any way possible (as well as be
secertly envious :) The type of people who run OSes like Linux are the type
of people who like to tinker, problem-solvers and developers who like to get
in and get their hands-dirty with new software and hardware, to push the
technology envelope to the extreme (or as extreme as they can get)... In my
opinion, if I am starting out on something brand new, and there is someone
who obviously is more knowledgeable about it than me on it, I am most
*defintely* going to try and learn from them or ask them their advise... I
don't have to agree with it or do what they say... Nothing says that you are
obligated to what the members of this group suggest... (It is your money,
your hardware, and your software, and your time, after all) We will not be
offended in any way as long as you respect our rights to our opinions...
Hopefully, most of the time we are right, or can point you in the direction
to a place (A website, for example) where you can find it on your own... But,
like all things in life, sometimes we are wrong... But remember, the
USENET is for anyone who has any ideas at all to come and participate and
share what both the newer people are looking for, as well as gain experience
from the people who have more knowledge and familarity... But remember, at
any time you are free to stop logging into your NNTP server... You don't have
to post... There will always be people who will disagree on anything with
you, no matter what the subject... The fact that we are able to form
different opinions independently from anyone else is what probably seperates
humankind from the lesser species on the planet... You know what I mean? You
came on this group posting a problem, and we responded (or at least some of
us did) - I'm not quite sure why you became so upset... I am at a lost as to
why this thread even got started and continued...
Maybe you are a natural-born troublemaker... These people do exist.
But, since I know nothing about you, and I have never met you or encountered
you in my personal life to the best of my knowledge, I am going to treat you
with the same respect and dignity that I would give any person either on here
or in the real world... But, once you abuse that trust that people given you,
then it is usually *very* difficult, if not impossible, to regain what was
lost, and build again from there...
All I ask that before you launch your newsreader and flame me to the ends of
the Earth for this post, is that you try to see my side of it - our side
maybe? - and realize that nobody was trying to tell you what to do... On the
net, nobody knows anything about anybody else until you yourself tell us, and
there are lots of ways that people can tell traits in other people... Please
also realize that many of the people on the USENET have been *very* longterm
Internet users (I myself have been online for over fifteen years now) and
while we may be set in our weird little ways, on most technical topics, we do
know what we are talking about... Take it from those who know, and maybe you
will save time, money, resources, and maybe even more importantly, make some
new friends... Of course, and I am only going to say it once, you screw
around with the wrong people, and it is quite possible that you will not be
logging on for soem time without *quite* a bit of effort...
DO YOU UNDERSTAND? Thank you. :)
I hope that DG and anyone else who reads this message will send me some
feedback on this, whether good or bad... I welcome all opinions - good, bad,
indifferent, or completely new fresh ones... :)
Thank you for your time and for your attentive patience... Take care, and
have a good day...
Moriarty
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chee Choon Cheng (remove "removethis" to e-mail me))
Subject: Re: Anyone doing Dial-On-Demand?
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 08:49:31 GMT
On 3 Jan 1999 18:19:23 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] () wrote:
Firstly, thx for the reply. 8)
According the Mini-HOWTO, the demand-dial support in the kernel will
be removed. Is that still true? If I do make it work now using diald,
will an upgrade of kernel later break the config?
>Hi,
>
>I set up demand ppp the other day with the newest ppp 2.3.5 and kernel 2.0.36.
>It took a little bit of tweaking. Basically what you need to do is:
>
>1) make sure you have a ppp kernel module thats 2.3.5 and supports
> the 'demand' option. It seems that some of the newer distributions
> somehow have the 2.3.5 deamon but the 2.2.0 module (I did).
>2) also, the 'make kernel' of the 2.3.5 pppd source incorrectly chooses not
> to replace ppp.c because of file dates of kernel 2.0.36.
> So I did that by hand.
>3) Now ppp.c brings you to the free(skb) declaration error. To compile, it
> must be changed to the two-parameter version of the macro.
>
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From: Ben Elliston <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: US modem in UK machine says "NO DIAL TONE"
Date: 04 Jan 1999 09:12:49 +0100
Chris Rankin <net.bellsouth@{no.spam}rankinc> writes:
> Hi,
> I have tried to install an old 33.6 Kbps modem into an even older UK
> machine. The card goes in; I use isapnp and setserial to put the thing
> on COM4, IRQ 5, port 0x2e8; I tell pppd to use /dev/ttyS3; the phone
> line IS plugged in. This is what I see in my message log:
> The modem seems to be talking to the motherboard OK, so is there some
> subtle difference between the phone-jacks on each side of the Atlantic?
There can be subtle differences in the dial tone signal that will
cause modems to do this in other countries.
Try using the lowest set of response codes (ATX0, perhaps?) and if it
prevents the ``NO DIALTONE'' message, your modem should dial "blind".
Ben
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From: Arthur Chiu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Clear Netscape Cache
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 16:50:12 +0800
I try:
Edit -> Preferences -> Advanced -> Cache -> Clear Disk Cache
in NS 4.07 but it does not do the job. Why? Can I do it manually? How?
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From: Thing <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: nz.comp
Subject: Re: NT 4 and network problems
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 22:06:57 +1300
actually running netbeui seemed to speed the network up, wierd a MCSe said so
and it seemed to be faster once setup.......more wizardry i guess
Thing
Tim Sutherland wrote:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Grant Black wrote:
> >On Wed, 9 Dec 1998 18:30:00 +1300, "Thing"
> ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>4) Removed NetBEUI and just now run TCP/IP on all machines, this seems to
> >>have speeded up the network considerably.
> >Probably a good idea just to run IP (except you need IPX for Quake
> ><g>)
>
> Off topic, but Quake supports TCP/IP. How do you think so many people play
> Internet Quake without software such as Kali?
>
> --
> The trouble with opportunity is that it always comes disguised as hard work.
> -- Herbert V. Prochnow
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From: "Neil Robinson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Help! 2 NICs, 1 router - can ping external NIC from net, can't ping router
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 09:20:20 +0100
Mark Vandersteen wrote in message ...
>Neil Robinson wrote in message <76olvo$dv6$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>>I am running RH5.2 and have set up a firewall machine with all of the
>>essential options enabled and then recompiled the kernel. I have an inside
>>network on eth0 (192.168.2.0) and my external connection to the router is
>on
>>eth1 (193.123.234.146). The router is at 193.123.234.145. From the
in-house
>>192 network I can ping both of the ethernet cards on the firewall machine,
>>but I can't ping the router. The current rules are (just to try and get it
>>to work) accept as default on the -F -I and -O areas.
>>
>>Has anyone got any pointers they can throw at me before I completely tear
>>out my hair <g> ?
>
>
>The IP address 192.168.2.0 is a network address and cant be assigned to
eth0
>except with route. You need to use a number 192.168.0.x where x is a number
>from 1 to 254 as 0 is the network number and 255 is the broadcast number
>assuming you are using 255.255.255.0 as the netmask for your internal
>network have a look at the Net-3 howto and ip-subnetworking mini-howto for
>more info on this :)
>
>Mark Vandersteen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Powered by Linux ! Obsessed with women !
>The thoughts here are not necessariy mine !
>
>
The addresses I supplied in both cases were those of the networks, not the
cards themselves. The eth0 card is at 192.168.2.60 and the eth1 card is at
193.123.234.146. The router is at 193.123.234.145. The internal network has
various addresses in the 192.168.2.1-100 range. I have a feeling the problem
is in routing, not in any other place. Any clues here?
Ciao, Neil
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From: Rolf Meinecke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Squid diagnostics and konfiguration
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 10:19:04 +0100
Hello everybody,
I am working in a small company using an ISDN dialup for our LAN to
connect to the internet. However we have got the impression, that the
squid is dialling out too often, thus raising our expenses.
Can anybody show me a good strategy to find out, what is going on in
that system? (which logfiles do I have to look at?)
When looking at /var/spool/squid/logs/access.log, how can I tell, which
requests were served from the cache and which have led to a dial up?
thanks in advance,
-rolf
PS: a CC: of your reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED] would be nice, since
incoming news are flaky sometimes. (At least it has been once, and I
missed half of a thread)
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