Linux-Networking Digest #871, Volume #10 Thu, 15 Apr 99 16:13:37 EDT
Contents:
kppp and Netscape ("Kranas John")
Re: why so many people want to install 2 network card? ("D. C. & M. V. Sessions")
Re: NT faster than Linux? (David Damerell)
Mail routing ("Jon Dean")
Re: Linux server & "hotfix" (Gustin Kiffney)
Re: 2 IP addresses on the same NIC??? ("Arne B. Olsen")
Linux on a NT-network ("Robert Horlings")
Re: Routing problem (J�n Gu�mundsson)
CHAP dialup... how?? (Paul Corrigan)
Re: smbmount used to work (Bruce Edge)
Re: smbmount problem (Bruce Edge)
rpc.rstatd daemon looping in inetd.com and terminating. cannot "rup". same for
rusersd. ("Alain Coetmeur")
PPP won't hangup? (CompWiz)
$$ - Redhat 5.2 - NT - Cablemodem (Bert Bulder)
Re: Help with 3C905-TX (Jon Barnett)
Re: Wingate + Linux (Kevin Martin)
Re: DNS - for yu (yugoslav) top-level-domain (Sabri Berisha)
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From: "Kranas John" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: kppp and Netscape
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 21:23:59 +0300
I am a newcomer in linux and I have a problem
with kppp and netscape.
While I am able to set up a PAP connection with my ISP (with kppp )which
works fine with ping, kftp etc, but when I start Netscape 4.5
cant connect to no addresses. I suppose I have a routing problem.
Please help.
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From: "D. C. & M. V. Sessions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: why so many people want to install 2 network card?
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 15:07:14 +0000
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Luca Filipozzi) wrote:
> > In article <7f3uim$5i3$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > says...
> > > Besides learning reason, does installing 2 network card really increase
> > > the network performance?
> > I think most people are installing a second network card so that they can
> > set up a firewall/router.
There are certainly special cases (such as a 10Mb/s cable modem
and a 100Mb/s network, our situation) where it can make a huge
difference.
That aside:
> ...but in answer to the question you *actually* asked (rather than the one
> you probably *meant*, which Luca just answered :), installing two network
> cards *can* increase performance in some situations. If you are running two
> different network-intensive processes (such as, say an NFS client and an HTTP
> server) it might boost performance two bind each to a different interface.
> This is presumably due to different ways of utilizing network buffering space
> and interrupts from the device(s). I suspect that it may also increase
> performance with a dual-processor machine (which will usually perform
> *better* in single-processor mode with regards to networking on one device),
> but I don't know enough about how SMP works to say that for sure.
>
> Does anyone know enough about how device communication works down on the
> assembly level (where SMP does its magic) to field that question? It's my
> understanding that SMP works by alternating processors between every
> instruction (the "S" as in "Symmetric" in SMP), and that device I/O on a
> single network card doesn't allow itself to be "split" in this way (meaning
> only one processor, getting half the clock cycles, is able to talk to the
> card). Is this correct, and would it be possible (either by chance or
> intention) to have each processor handle I/O to one of two cards?
Dunno the details of SMP implementation, but there's no real reason why
each thread shoudn't be on a different processor regardless of the
number
of network cards.
Where extra cards come in REAL handy is when you have a
bandwidth-limited
system. PCI has a traffic limit of about 1Gb/s, and even a modest
200MHz
CPU can keep ahead of quite a few 10baseT ports without strain. Even a
100baseTX card isn't likely to gag out a moderately fast CPU, and adding
the extra interrupts will actually help with the scheduling.
--
He either fears his fate too much, or his deserts are small,
That puts it not unto the touch to win or lose it all.
D. C. & M. V. Sessions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David Damerell)
Crossposted-To: linux.samba,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: NT faster than Linux?
Date: 15 Apr 1999 16:44:35 +0100 (BST)
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
MJ Ray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>David Damerell wrote:
>>My guess is that the results were obtained by being extremely adept in
>>setting up WinNT (presumably with advice from the sponsors on how
>>precisely to optimise for this benchmark) and not at all adept at
>>setting up Red Hat. Screwy kernel configuration, perhaps?
>I don't know, but their Apache configuration looks like it will
>impose a fairly low limit on number of clients in their test.
As I interpret it, that configuration does not encourage Apache to have
more than one 'spare' Web server process around; not really a suitable
approach for a dedicated high-load Web server with gobs of memory.
--
David/Kirsty Damerell. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
CUWoCS President. http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~damerell/ Hail Eris!
|___| You bought a mask: I put it on: you never thought to ask me if I wear
| | | it when you're gone. The Sisters of Mercy: When You Don't See Me.
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From: "Jon Dean" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Mail routing
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 20:22:31 +0100
Can Someone tell me how I can configure POP3 mail boxes on a Red Hat 5.2 box
to be accessed by Win98 boxes. And also download messages via a dialup
internet connection.
Thanx,
Jon Dean
E-mail - [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Gustin Kiffney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux server & "hotfix"
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 18:35:57 GMT
[posted+mailed]
Linux doesn't have such a thing as far as I know.
Usually when you first make a filesystem you run badblocks on it to map out
any bad sectors found. Of course if you have a newer eide/scsi drive and
you see any bad blocks you better take that drive back since the controller
is supposed to remap bad blocks automatically.
The whole hotfix thing made more sense in the
era of 'dumb' drives and lack of fault tolerant drive systems. And most
people who are worried about bad blocks have some sort of raid setup (drive
mirroring, parity drives, etc.) which Linux does support. Usually when your
drive is going bad it's not just a matter of fixing a few bad blocks - pretty
soon all will be gone.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Novell Netware has a feature called "hotfix" that checks the integrity of
> data written to the drive and puts the data elsewhere if it appears that a
> sector is bad (and marks that sector as "bad"); NT has a similar feature, I
> believe. Does Linux have something like this or is there an add-on from
> somewhere? Thanks in advance for comments. David C.
>
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From: "Arne B. Olsen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: 2 IP addresses on the same NIC???
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 17:15:25 +0200
Look at :
http://metalab.unc.edu/LDP/HOWTO/NET-3-HOWTO-6.html#ss6.5
and there is the answer for u!
Javier Arregui <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:7f4vgr$ksk$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Hello!
>
> At work, the NT workstations in my department are configured with 2
> different IP addresses (1 NIC), and work with to 2 different NT domains
and
> networks (internal)
>
> For example, my PC has 195.77.122.221 and 208.22.36.88 as IP numbers, with
> 255.255.255.224 and 255.255.255.0 as masks. In NT, I can ping hosts in
both
> subnets (with only 1 ethernet card).
>
> I am trying to set up Linux in my computer with the same functionality,
but
> I only can configure eth0 with 1 IP address and its subnet.
>
> Is it possible to get this?? I hope have explained it right....
>
>
> Thanx in advance
>
> Javi
>
>
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From: "Robert Horlings" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Linux on a NT-network
Date: 15 Apr 1999 15:59:55 GMT
Hi,
I've just installed Linux SUSE 6.0, and I want to reach our LAN. We have a
NT4-server in our network, with 2 printers connected to it and a modem by
wich we can Internet. Now I want to know what programs I have to install,
and what files I have to configure so I can print and Internet. My ethernet
card is already set up.
So:
- What settings do I have to know
- Where do i have to fill in in Linux
- What programs do I have to install
I hope any1 can help me. I'm quite a newbie, so please as detailed as
possible
Robo
--
E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Ut desint vires, tamen est laudanda voluntas
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Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 15:32:49 +0000
From: J�n Gu�mundsson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Routing problem
Radovan Brako wrote:
> >#insmod eepro io=0x300 irq=9
> >
> >eth0: Intel 82595-based lan card at 0x300, 00:A0:C9:3B:A9:B7, irq 9,
> >10Base2
>
> Hmm, why don't you load it at boot time ?
I have been testing more than one IRQ settings although irq 10 is the
same that works with Win95
> Do you try to ping other hosts by name, or by IP ? If by name,
> it can be that just the name resolution is not working properly.
> If by IP, it means troubles
I ping by IP, not names..
>... Anyway, try running "tcpdump -n"
My Linux version doesnt have tcpdump, It is a Zipslack system wich I
have moved into a new partition.
> Is the medium
> detected correctly ? ifconfig reports 10Base2, which is thin
> coaxial cable.
That's right we are using thin coax.
> If still no luck, post the output of "ifconfig",
> "route -n", "arp -an", the version of the kernel, and any other
> relevant data ...
>
O.K. here it comes..
root#ifconfig
lo Link encap:Local Loopback
inet addr:127.0.0.1 Bcast:127.255.255.255 Mask:255.0.0.0
UP BROADCAST LOOPBACK RUNNING MTU:3584 Metric:1
RX packets:2 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
TX packets:2 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
Collisions:0
eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:A0:C9:3B:A9:B7
inet addr:157.157.168.204 Bcast:157.157.168.255
Mask:255.255.255.192
UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1
RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
Collisions:0
Interrupt:10 Base address:0x300
root#route -n
Kernel IP routing table
Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use
Iface
157.157.168.192 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.192 U 0 0 0
eth0
127.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.0.0.0 U 0 0 1
lo
0.0.0.0 157.157.168.254 0.0.0.0 UG 1 0 0
eth0
root#ping 157.157.168.252
root#ctrl-c
100% packet loss
root#ping 157.157.168.253
root#ctrl-c
100% packet loss
(I can ping my own macine at this point...)
arp -an
? (157.157.168.252) at <incomplete> on eth0
? (157.157.168.253) at <incomplete> on eth0
root#more /proc/ioports
0000-001f : dma1
0020-003f : pic1
0040-005f : timer
0060-006f : keyboard
0070-007f : rtc
0080-009f : dma page reg
00a0-00bf : pic2
00c0-00df : dma2
00f0-00ff : npu
0170-0177 : ide1
01f0-01f7 : ide0
02f8-02ff : serial(auto)
0300-030f : eepro
0376-0376 : ide1
0378-037f : lp
03c0-03df : vga+
03f0-03f5 : floppy
03f6-03f6 : ide0
03f7-03f7 : floppy DIR
03f8-03ff : serial(auto)
f000-f007 : IDE DMA
f008-f00f : IDE DMA
root#more /proc/interrupts
0: 60534 timer
1: 1553 keyboard
2: 0 cascade
8: 1 + rtc
11: 0 eepro
13: 1 math error
14: 4 + ide0
15: 2526 + ide1
root#uname -a
Linux jong 2.0.35 #67 Wed Oct 14 00:14:45 CDT 1998 i586 unknown
--
The idea that Bill Gates has appeared like a knight in shining armour
to lead all customers out of a mire of technological chaos neatly
ignores the fact that it was he who, by peddling second-rate
technology, led them into it in the first place. (Douglas Adams)
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Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 21:27:39 -0700
From: Paul Corrigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: CHAP dialup... how??
Hi,
As a total newbie to Linux; (RH 5.2); I am totally confused.
I have read; and thought I understood; the FAQ's, but am totally unable
to get my smachine to dial up my ISP, and make a connection!
I'm getting so frustrated that I'll probably go back to windoze if I
can't get it soon.
I'm sure I'm not the only person to have had this problem.
Can anyone help with detailed instructions?
My ISP (YNN.com) uses CHAP authentication, but their tech 'support' was
unable to help.
TIA
Paul
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From: Bruce Edge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.questions
Subject: Re: smbmount used to work
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 15:39:21 +0000
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> You can always make yourself a new samba rpm package wich includes
> smbmount/smbumount/smbmnt. Read the docs that comes with the tar.gz
> package.
> It is easily made :)
There's one here:
http://milkyway.thn.htu.se/~ds98rito/
-Bruce Edge
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From: Bruce Edge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: smbmount problem
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 15:41:39 +0000
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Check out
http://milkyway.thn.htu.se/~ds98rito/
They have a new samba rpm (2.0.3) which includes smbmount, and a samba
explorer like app too.
-Bruce Edge
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> On Wed, 07 Apr 1999 11:00:23 +0200, Rolf Niepraschk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >Hello,
> >
> >I have updated my samba to 2.0.3. Now the mounting no more work. I type
> >
> > smbmount //maria/a ~/a/
> >
> >and then I get the following prompt
> >
> >---------
> Reading the docs in the sources of Samba 2.0.3, they tell smbmount is not
> supported anymore. Who knows more ???
>
> -----------------------------------------------------
> Answers please in this newsgroup!
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
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From: "Alain Coetmeur" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.admin
Subject: rpc.rstatd daemon looping in inetd.com and terminating. cannot "rup". same
for rusersd.
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 16:43:47 +0200
on my linux nodes I am unable to make
rpc.rusersd and rpc.rstatd daemon work correctly
(they are used my rusers and rup).
I'm using suse6.0 distribution, or redhat 5.2
with respectiverly the associated nkitb or rusers/rstatd package.
on a redhat node I'v installed the las rstatd-3.031-2 and it seems to work better,
but the rusersd is from the last package rusers-0.10-8
and I see nothing to do.
I've noted that the defaut inetd.conf proposed to use the "tcpd"
tcp wrapper , but not using it make nothin better.
on a Suse 6.0 I've traced with tcpd
# inetd.conf entry:
rstatd/1-3 dgram rpc/udp wait root /usr/sbin/tcpd rpc.rstatd
here are some extract of the /var/log/messages
when I call rup
Apr 15 16:50:09 nikita rpc.rstatd[19357]: connect from 127.0.0.1
Apr 15 16:50:10 nikita rpc.rstatd[19359]: connect from 127.0.0.1
[... and so on 1 per second]
Apr 15 16:50:32 nikita rpc.rstatd[19399]: connect from 127.0.0.1
Apr 15 16:50:33 nikita inetd[191]: rstatd/rpc/udp server failing (looping), service
terminated
on one redhat note without tcpd,
with rusersd-0.10-8
#inetd.conf
rusersd/2-3 dgram rpc/udp wait root /usr/sbin/rpc.rusersd rpc.rusersd
I have:
when i call rusers and
then kill -HUP the inetd to reload the inetd.conf
Apr 15 15:52:37 honolulu inetd[273]: pmap_unset(100002, 2)
Apr 15 15:52:37 honolulu inetd[273]: pmap_unset(100002, 3)
Apr 15 15:53:22 honolulu inetd[273]: rusersd/rpc/udp server failing (looping), service
terminate
d
Apr 15 16:00:44 honolulu inetd[273]: pmap_unset(100002, 2)
Apr 15 16:00:44 honolulu inetd[273]: pmap_unset(100002, 3)
does anybody have some information or idea about this bug ?
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From: CompWiz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: PPP won't hangup?
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 14:46:27 -0400
Here's a dilemma (I won't bore you with too much detail), here's the
basics of what happens:
I have RH PPP set up in Linuxconf, and I can use ifup ppp0, etc. to
connect to the Internet, and it works fine.. But when I try to
disconnect, it doesn't budge. I have to physically kill the pppd process
to disconnect my modem. Any suggestions?
--
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================================================================
Thursday, April 15, 1999 - up for 6 hour(s) as of 12 AM
It's smart to pick your friends, but not to pieces.
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From: Bert Bulder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: $$ - Redhat 5.2 - NT - Cablemodem
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 14:52:57 +0000
Amsterdam - The Netherlands - I'll pay you for the solution.
Anyone (in or close to Amsterdam) able and willing to hook up an NT
workstation to a RedHat 5.2 Linux server that is connected to the
Internet through a cable modem.
I've had it. No way I can get this thing working.
Won't try to explain all the things I did sofar, only want to know if
there's somebody out there who did this before and is sure (s)he can do
this. I'll of course pay you if you get this working.
Just some specs:
2 NIC's in the Linux server (Compaq)
1 NIC in the NT workstation (HP Vectra)
Crossed UTP cable NT-Linux
Server connects to the internet just fine
Both NIC's in the server obviously want the same (DHCP) IP number ???
No 192.168.x.x local IP address possible on server. IP aliassing doesn't
bring the solution.
NT workstation never finds "Localserv"
The Linux server has to work as a mail server (batched SMTP to get and
forward the mail to some 600 members of a medical acupuncture society
here in the NL) and at the same time the server has to allow me to
connect to the net from the NT workstation to get my own mail and surf
the Net.
Again: I give up.
The unmasquarading of:
Bert Bulder, Amsterdam, NL
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jon Barnett)
Subject: Re: Help with 3C905-TX
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 14:01:37 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Matt Fotter
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I am wondering if I am having an issue with the 100Mb detection of the
>card. The RoadRunner cable modem and the hub I have it connected to are
>both 10Mb. Is there someway I can tell Linux to see the NIC as a 10Mb
>card? Is this even a reasonable solution to my problem?
It is difficult to determine whether you have a network card problem or not.
However, if your kernel is compiled with the network card support as a module,
you can edit /etc/modules.conf (or /etc/conf.modules depending on your
distribution - I can't remember what Redhat uses) and force the 10Mbps mode.
e.g.
alias eth0 3c59x
options 3c59x debug=1 options=0
See http://cesdis.gsfc.nasa.gov/linux/drivers/vortex.html for more
information. You may also need to use the code patches from this page (again,
I can't remember if 2.0.32 has the updated 3c59x code).
Your syslog should show something like the following, if everything works on
boot.
Apr 15 03:01:06 athena kernel: 3c59x.c:v0.99E 5/12/98 Donald Becker
http://cesdis.gsfc.nasa.gov/linux/drivers/vortex.html
Apr 15 03:01:06 athena kernel: eth1: 3Com 3c905B Cyclone 100baseTx at 0x6000,
00:10:4b:11:2c:07, IRQ 5
Apr 15 03:01:06 athena kernel: 8K byte-wide RAM 5:3 Rx:Tx split,
autoselect/10baseT interface.
Apr 15 03:01:06 athena kernel: Enabling bus-master transmits and whole-frame
receives.
If this is operating correctly, you should be able to run rrdhcpcd to obtain
an ip address for the interface.
e.g. rrdhcpcd eth0
And finally, login to the cable network (I think the roadrunner program is
rrlogind).
Hope that very brief description helps.
JonB.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kevin Martin)
Subject: Re: Wingate + Linux
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 19:05:34 GMT
In article <7f5dj5$qt6$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, it says "cyberjb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>need some help..... i want my windows box dialup and linux use it.... now i
>have the windows box with Wingate on it.. with the dns demon and gateway
>deamon on... when i type like ping ftp.cdrom.com on the linux box it dns's
>it but it ping it through.... it wont use the gateway for some resone.. can
>someone help?
Wingate doesn't pass pings, period, so that's not how you test it. Try
telnetting to the Windows box, or tell Netscape to use it as your proxy.
>if so email [EMAIL PROTECTED] i dont think i can get back on my news
>server
You asked it here, we answered it here. Sorry, that's just how it works.
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From: Sabri Berisha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
nl.burgerrechten,nl.internet.algemeen,nl.internet.misbruik,nl.internet.providers,nl.internet.www.ontwerp,nl.juridisch,nl.politiek,nlnet.misc,soc.culture.yugoslavia
Subject: Re: DNS - for yu (yugoslav) top-level-domain
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 20:03:27 +0000
[flup set to n.b., n.p., s.c.y]
Johan Wevers wrote:
>
> Sabri Berisha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >Why? They even close down their own radiostations (like B92,
> >http://www.xs4all.nl)
>
> Something I don't defend.
What do you defend? Your point of view is very unclear to me.
> >I've never heard of stories about Serbian women being raped by UCK
> >people. If they do so, I will be the first one to see them brought to
> >trial.
>
> Neither did I, but I did hear worse stories like then kicking out Serbs,
> already BEFORE this war started.
As I already referred to; I will be the first one to see them brought to
trial. Albanian or Serb. Warcrimes are the lowest form of agression
against humanity as it is.
> >So you want to say that the UCK burns down villages?
>
> Apparently they have no deed to.
Of course not. They (at least the most of them) are not warcriminals.
> >>I defend their right to tell their side of the story, just as the Albanians
> >>and all other parties in this conflict. Freedom of speech, you know.
> >
> >Why does Janmaat (dutch Nazi-like figure) keeps shouting that?
>
> I wouldn't call him a nazi-like person.
How would you call someone that is very often seen in the presence of
nazi's? He has been convicted several times for racism
> He probably does that because he is
> also a victim of politically-correct oppression of free speech.
Politically-correct is IMHO different from shouting bad things about
foreigners.
> His party
> has its website on a server in Texas where they take free speech in
> political matters more serious than here.
When I was a little Sabri I often shouted bad things to the big boy from
next door when he was very far from me so he could not out run me before
I was in my house. It's about the same thing here. IMHO Janmaat is just
a little luser.
> >Srbija is performing massmurder and deportation. One question: do you
> >*really* believe there were no kamps in Kosova (and WW-2)?
>
> I don't know about camps in Kossovo.
Oh noooo, you also did not know about Auswitsch too... Wir haben es
nicht gewuscht... Shame on you! Turn on CNN.
> As far as I know the Serbs reacted
> brutally on the continuous terrorist attacks of the UCK by trying to kick
> the Albanians out of Kossovo. I doubt they have any camps in Kossovo, they
> don't want to keep the Albanians but to get rid of them.
Ow sure... Somebody from Libia bombed an airplane. Lets nuke 'em.
> What this has to do with WW2 excapes me, except when you try a cheap trick
> to position me like a holocaust denier.
When you deny the serb camps, it's IMHO about the same thing as denying
the holocaust.
> >Like defending warcriminals
>
> More like telling that we are stupid to help one bunch of criminals to fight
> another bunch of them.
Who are the criminals here? The people who fight for their freedom or
the people who fight to suppress them?
> --
> ir. J.C.A. Wevers // Physics and science fiction site:
With ir. as a title, you defenatly should know better than what you show
the world right now.
--
Sabri Berisha
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