Linux-Networking Digest #831, Volume #11 Thu, 8 Jul 99 22:13:37 EDT
Contents:
Re: pppd scripting and diald ("David L. Nicol")
Re: Why not C++ (toto)
DHCP ("Drew Northup")
Re: Could Microsoft Cheat On The New Mindcraft Benchmark? ("Chad Mulligan")
Parallel Linux Text Database Cluster ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Could Microsoft Cheat On The New Mindcraft Benchmark? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Could Microsoft Cheat On The New Mindcraft Benchmark? ("Chad Mulligan")
Re: NT mount to Linux-Net Use. (Brad Felmey)
Could someone run me through the steps ("Macca")
Re: Why not C++ (Nathan Myers)
Re: Could Microsoft Cheat On The New Mindcraft Benchmark? (Jason O'Rourke)
Re: DHCPd and WINS: possible? (Bernd Eckenfels)
Re: ypbind fails on NIS server (John Bell)
Re: Could Microsoft Cheat On The New Mindcraft Benchmark? (Donovan Rebbechi)
Re: Linux modem frame errors (Clifford Kite)
Re: Could Microsoft Cheat On The New Mindcraft Benchmark? (Jason O'Rourke)
Re: Could Microsoft Cheat On The New Mindcraft Benchmark? (Christopher Browne)
Question about Linux and resolv.conf ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: NutScrape problem. . .-( (Leonard Evens)
Re: subnetmask (function) / Funktion der Subnetmask (M. Buchenrieder)
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From: "David L. Nicol" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.comp.linux.isp,alt.os.linux.dial-up
Subject: Re: pppd scripting and diald
Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 00:05:57 +0000
And current pppd supports a "demand" option to replace
the use of diald
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From: toto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.development.system
Subject: Re: Why not C++
Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 20:15:37 -0700
Mike McDonald wrote:
> You think delete() is quick?
Compared to using a garbage collector--yes, very much so. Plus, keep in
mind, garbage collector doesn't eliminate the need to release memory,
all it does is do it automatically. It may be using the same delete or a
similar mechanism.
--
len
if you must email, reply to:
len bel at world net dot att dot net (no spaces, ats2@, dots2.)
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From: "Drew Northup" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: DHCP
Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 23:09:09 GMT
I need to use DHCP to connect to a university network for the summer. I'm
using ZipSlack 3.5 or 3.6 on a PCG-F160 without X-windows through a Linksys
PCMCIA network card (NE2000). Any ideas?
Drew Northup, N1XIM
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "Chad Mulligan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
omp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.infosystems.www.servers.unix,comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: Could Microsoft Cheat On The New Mindcraft Benchmark?
Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 17:23:50 -0700
"Bob Taylor" wrote in message ...
>In article <7m07l7$lgm$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> "Fredrich P. Maney" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> In comp.infosystems.www.servers.unix Anthony Ord <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>>
>> [deletia]
>>
>>: What was this about the attitude of US posters?
>>
>> Maybe it has something to do with the amount of material and personnel
>> that the US put into the effort compared to the rest of the world.
>
>Quite. The U.S. out produced all our allies *combined*. My father
>worked at a *small* shipyard during the war producing Liberty
>ships. That *one* yard peaked at delivering 4 ships *per day*. The
>U.S. armed forces peaked at about 14 million.
>
The number of British troops outnumbered the US troops in Normandy 6-6-44
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Parallel Linux Text Database Cluster
Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 23:38:50 GMT
What would be the most useful clustering scheme in terms of hardware
utilization? I suppose that ultra low latency is not critical, so Fast
Ethernet is probably suitable. Is a shared memory scheme necessary for
searching a text index? I don't have much experience with parallel
programming, so I don't know if I need to be looking at Beowulf with
PVM/MPI or a TTL_Papers implementation. Any insights or resource
pointers are greatly appreciated.
Joe.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To:
omp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.infosystems.www.servers.unix,comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: Could Microsoft Cheat On The New Mindcraft Benchmark?
Date: 8 Jul 1999 23:46:25 GMT
In comp.os.linux.misc Fredrich P. Maney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
= I am not debating that, never have, never will. I said, and I'll keep it
= simple for you, "... how many US troops died? .... it was more than your
= entire country." Now, where in there do I ever mention the US Civil War
= or compare the number of US dead in WWII with the Civil War?
I'd love to know where you got the idea that WWII cost the USA millions of
lives though.... >*snigger*<
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From: "Chad Mulligan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
omp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.infosystems.www.servers.unix,comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: Could Microsoft Cheat On The New Mindcraft Benchmark?
Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 17:27:55 -0700
Paul D. Smith wrote in message ...
>%% [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Anthony Ord) writes:
>
> ao> Canada was involved, India was involved, Japan was involved, China
> ao> was involved, the Soviet Union was involved, South Africa was
> ao> involved, Australia / New Zealand were involved - and it was a
> ao> mainly European war...
>
>When I said "European", I was including Russia. Australia/New
>Zealand/Canada went wherever Britain went.
>
>As for Japan/China, until Dec, 1941 that was almost a separate, regional
>war. Even though there were various treaties and non-aggression pacts
>between Japan and the other players, most nations were _not_ at war with
>Japan before that, including Britain. Also Canada, Poland, South
>Africa, Australia, New Zealand, etc.
You did know that the US Navy and Marines were very active in china in this period.
The Japanese sank the US Gunboat Panay in 1937. Roosevelt imposed massive economic
sanctions against Japan as a result.
>
>Between Dec 7, 1941 and Dec 13, 1941, all those countries (and more)
>declared war on Japan, and in addition the U.S., the Central American
>countries, Cuba, and a few others declared war on Japan _and_
>Germany/Italy.
German and Italy declared war on the US not the other way.
>
>There's an argument to be made that this mushrooming of the conflict in
>the space of less than a week, "choosing up sides" as it were, is the
>real start to the _world_ war. Whether it would have been called a
>"World War" if none of those things had happened is something we'll
>never know.
>
>I actually don't agree with the original assertion; I've always felt
>that WWII started on Sep. 1, 1939, no later than Sep. 3, 1939. That's
>the beginning of the conflict that directly grew into WWII, with no
>intervening peace, so it's all WWII to me. But that's just MHO.
>
>All I was trying to say was that the original poster wasn't saying that
>no war exists unless the U.S. is a party to it (which was the ridiculous
>comment made in a followup), or even necessarily that no world war
>exists unless the U.S. is involved, although some would make that
>argument (would we still call it WWII if Great Britain hadn't been
>involved, for example? Maybe, maybe not. Does it matter? I can't for
>the life of me see how.)
>
>I'm done.
>
>--
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Paul D. Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Network Management Development
> "Please remain calm...I may be mad, but I am a professional." --Mad Scientist
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> These are my opinions---Nortel Networks takes no responsibility for them.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Brad Felmey)
Subject: Re: NT mount to Linux-Net Use.
Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 00:33:13 GMT
On Thu, 08 Jul 1999 23:12:28 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted:
>We are trying to use Net Use to mount to our Linux machine from a NT
>machine so that we can make a backup of the Linux box. We get an error
>saying that the machine is not allowed to connect to the Linux box. I
>have included the machine in the /etc/hosts file, and edited the
>hosts.allow and hosts.deny but still no luck. Am I right to assume
>that we need to use Samba? Do we need to create an user account for
>the NT machine on the Linux machine? Any good docs out there that
>could help.
You will need Samba to get your NT and Linux boxes talking to each
other.
Of course, you could just FTP from the NT machine into the Linux box
and just suck everything that way. <g>
--
Brad Felmey
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From: "Macca" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Could someone run me through the steps
Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 17:06:42 +1000
Hi im a newbie,
on installing a network card (D-Link DFE 530TX) in linux and making it run
properly and connecting it to the net
i have only got a via-rhine.c file and don't know how to use it
--
Sincerley Yours,
Brendan James McKenzie
we're sorry for the delay;
your call is still in the
queue and will be answered
shortly
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Nathan Myers)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.development.system
Subject: Re: Why not C++
Date: 8 Jul 1999 17:38:40 -0700
david parsons <o r c @ p e l l . p o r t l a n d . o r . u s> wrote:
>Nathan Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>NF Stevens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Nathan Myers) wrote:
>>>>
>>>>... the C++ compiler can optimize [template] code better than you
>>>>can [code] by hand in C, because it knows more about expressions
>>>>than you can tell the C compiler.
>>>
>>>The fact that templates expand to C++ code means that
>>>_templates_ cannot improve the efficiency of code.
>>
>>But C++ templates _don't_ expand (macro-like) to C++ non-template code.
>
> That is, I hope, a feature of an implementation, not the language;...
Optimization is a feature of implementations. We are discussing
optimization. David, please post where you have something meaningful
to contribute. Random noise helps nobody.
> ... Templates are very very sophisticated #defines
I can spot a troll when I see one. You only expose your own ignorance
with glib zingers like this.
--
Nathan Myers
[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cantrip.org/
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jason O'Rourke)
Crossposted-To:
omp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.infosystems.www.servers.unix,comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: Could Microsoft Cheat On The New Mindcraft Benchmark?
Date: 8 Jul 1999 18:06:54 -0700
Robin Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Harber = Harbour
HARBOR!
--
Jason O'Rourke [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.jor.com
'96 BMW r850R
last dive: June 13th, Pescadero Wash Rocks (Carmel), 46 mins at 64ft max
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From: Bernd Eckenfels <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: DHCPd and WINS: possible?
Date: 9 Jul 1999 00:54:30 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I'm trying to get my Linux DHCPd server to supply a WINS address to
> a subnet... and I can't figure out how. Read all the docs I
> could get my hands on, did Altavista searches on both the web
> and newsgroups... to no avail. Is this even possible?
perhaps you should have tried the man page?
dhcpd-options(5) dhcpd-options(5)
option netbios-name-servers ip-address [, ip-address...
];
The NetBIOS name server (NBNS) option specifies a list
of RFC 1001/1002 NBNS name servers listed in order of
preference. NetBIOS Name Service is currently more
commonly referred to as WINS. WINS servers can be
specified using the netbios-name-servers option.
Greetings
Bernd
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From: John Bell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: ypbind fails on NIS server
Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 19:56:47 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Owen Beckley wrote:
>
> RedHat 5.2 on generic Intel box.
>
> The NIS startup scripts in /etc/rc.d/rc3.d are as follows:
>
> S13ypbind@ S65ypserv@ S66yppasswdd@
>
> Question: Shouldn't ypserv be started before ypbind?
>
> /etc/yp.conf:
> ypserver localhost
>
> ypbind fails to bind because it can't contact the server. Even if I let
> the system sit for several minutes after ypserv starts, ypbind never
> binds.
>
> If I restart ypbind, it then binds fine.
>
> Does anyone else out there expect their NIS server to also run ypbind.
> The Solaris machines I've worked on in the past all started ypserv first
> and then ypbind.
>
> Thanks,
> Owen Beckley
If you are self-referencing the machine (i.e. if you
want the machine to point to itself for the NIS
maps under ypbind), then you will want to make sure that
ypserv starts before ypbind. I have a couple of machines
setup like that - works well.
Have fun,
--
John Bell - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.vignette.com
Sr. System Administrator - Vignette Corporation
Parturiunt montes, nascetur ridiculus mus. - Horace
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donovan Rebbechi)
Crossposted-To:
omp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.infosystems.www.servers.unix,comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: Could Microsoft Cheat On The New Mindcraft Benchmark?
Date: 8 Jul 1999 21:15:15 -0400
On 8 Jul 1999 16:28:22 GMT, Fredrich P. Maney wrote:
>In comp.infosystems.www.servers.unix Jon Skeet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Well considering that outside of Japan, to my knowledge the US and
>Canada are the only places where Baseball is played. The governing
Also played in Australia, though cricket has the lions share of popularity.
I think ( but aren't sure ... have to ask my g/f ) that they play baseball
in parts of China.
--
Donovan
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From: kite@NoSpam.%inetport.com (Clifford Kite)
Subject: Re: Linux modem frame errors
Date: 8 Jul 1999 19:55:51 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
: In article <7m34lo$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
: kite@NoSpam.% inetport.com (Clifford Kite) wrote:
: > BTW you may need a better UART than a 16550A when you get the full
: > 128k ISDN going. I don't know what the UARTs for the Cyber board are
: > though, maybe they _are_ better.
: The programming documentation says that the UART is a 16C550.
OK there are only two other things I can come up with that might be
germane.
The 16C550 uart might truly be a 16550 uart and so is buggy (the 16550
was rapidly replaced by the 16550A). Or it might be a 16550A uart and
because the documentation isn't precise you configured it as a 16550
rather than a 16550A. This last is not as far out as one might think,
such documentation as came with my serial card refers to it's uart as
16C550 in one place and 16550 in another but the one port that's used
is configured as a 16550A. Moreover the uart for my internal modem is
described as a 16550 uart when fact is that it has to be a 16550A uart
since it's configured that way with setserial and works fine. The modem
itself is a 33.6k and would not perform well with anything less than a
16550A .
The other thing that comes to mind is a clouded memory of a post that
solved some problem by turning off pppd Van Jacobson compression with
the option novj. In the same vein it might be worthwhile to try turning
off Compression Control Protocol with the option noccp. VJ compression
is distinct from CCP compression.
: But I'm binding together 2 56K channels, not 2 64K channels.
I guess I don't know ISDN very well, I thought you got 144k and could
use 128k for data with the other 16k a control channel.
--
Clifford Kite <kite@inet%port.com> Not a guru. (tm)
/* Those who can't write, write manuals. */
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jason O'Rourke)
Crossposted-To:
omp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.infosystems.www.servers.unix,comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: Could Microsoft Cheat On The New Mindcraft Benchmark?
Date: 8 Jul 1999 18:08:32 -0700
I R A Aggie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>What part of 9.2 million >> 300,000 are you having difficulty
>understanding? Your statement doesn't stand up to scrutiny very
>well.
Which part of combat+civilian casualties was so hard for you to figure
out.
That said, one source suggests that combat + civilian deaths in England
was closer to 400k.
--
Jason O'Rourke [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.jor.com
'96 BMW r850R
last dive: June 13th, Pescadero Wash Rocks (Carmel), 46 mins at 64ft max
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher Browne)
Crossposted-To:
omp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.infosystems.www.servers.unix,comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: Could Microsoft Cheat On The New Mindcraft Benchmark?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 00:59:48 GMT
On 8 Jul 1999 16:28:22 GMT, Fredrich P. Maney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In comp.infosystems.www.servers.unix Jon Skeet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>[deletia]
>
>: What does where it was invented have to do with anything? It's still
>: incredibly silly to call a competition in one country a World Series. I
>: really don't see what its invention has to do with anything...
>
>Well considering that outside of Japan, to my knowledge the US and
>Canada are the only places where Baseball is played. The governing
>bodies of Baseball are in the US, most of the players/teams/fans
>are in the US. Seems to make perfect sense to me that the World
>Series (the pinnacle of baseball) would be played in the US.
Yet another example of Not Remembering History.
The World Series is not called the World Series because of any
international standing, but rather because of the name of the original
*sponsor* of the World Series.
Of course, most of the people who would remember that from having been
present at early instances of the "World Series" are likely to be dead
now, which makes it fair game for historical revisionism...
--
REALITY is a policy phased out early in the Eisenhower administration.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] <http://www.hex.net/~cbbrowne/lsf.html>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Question about Linux and resolv.conf
Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 01:16:24 GMT
Hi,
I have a small network, 2 Linux boxes and 1 Win NT box. One of the
Linux boxes connects to the internet and then via ipmasquerading, all of
the other boxes can get to the internet.
Here's the problem,
I set the other Linux box up to have a default gateway of the machine
that connects to the internet. /etc/resolv.conf looks like this:
search mydomain.com (not an internic registered domain name)
nameserver xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx
nameserver xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx (these are my ISP's dns servers)
If the first Linux box is not connected to the internet and someone
using the second Linux box opens netscape to read a local html page,
Netscape will hang for a really long time or not come back at all
(usually just hangs probably after a time out).
This is very annoying. If I remove the nameservers from the file it
doesn't happen but then the second box can't use the internet until the
nameservers are put back in.
I'm certain I've misconfigured something - the systems are set up like I
have a persistent connection to the internet which I don't. Any ideas
what I can change to make this problem go away?
TIA,
Nicci
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From: Leonard Evens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: redhat.networking.general,redhat.general
Subject: Re: NutScrape problem. . .-(
Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 19:55:21 -0500
Timothy Dixon wrote:
> On 8 Jul 1999 17:30:54 GMT, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >After hastling with pppd,kppp, and finally getting non-root users the
>
> >ability to dial out, now Netscape 6.1 doesn't see the connection.
>
> >I dial out, make the connection with my ISP, click on netscape and get an
>
> >error message like I'm not connected.
>
> >Anyone know anything about this?-|
>
> How long after completing the connection are you trying Netscrap?
> I've found that Netscape sometimes reports no dns (or similar message
> suggesting a dead net link) for up to a minute after I dial; even
> after fetchmail (which refers to my mail server by name) has
> downloaded my mail. I've not had time to look into it as of yet.
>
> The work around is to just wait a couple or three minutes after
> establishing the connection.
Try
tail -f /var/log/messages
This will show what is happening as pppd attempts to connect.
To get out, use Ctrl-C.
Also, does the problem apply only to netscape? Can you
ping any other machine for example to see if your network
is active? If you can ping a numerical IP address but not
a symbolic address, you haven't set up your machine so
it knows about the nameserver. This goes in
/etc/resolv.conf, but I think you can set it up using linuxconf.
--
Leonard Evens [EMAIL PROTECTED] 847-491-5537
Dept. of Mathematics, Northwestern Univ., Evanston, IL 60208
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Crossposted-To: de.comm.protocols.tcp-ip
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (M. Buchenrieder)
Subject: Re: subnetmask (function) / Funktion der Subnetmask
Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 22:11:05 GMT
[Newsgroups: line drastically trimmed, F'Up set]
[If your ISP's newsserver _still_ carries a group "col.questions", then
please spank its admin for not properly maintaing the server(s). This
group was deleted years ago.]
[posted & mailed]
"Phil" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>Hallo
>(deutsche Version weiter unten!)
[...]
>Ich m�chte gerne wissen, f�r welchen Zweck die Subnet Mask verwendet
>wird. Die IP-Adresse grenzt ja das Netz (Netzteil) ein, oder nicht?
>[z.B.
> 192.168 .0.80
> (Netzanteil)(Hostanteil).
>]
Kann sein, muss aber nicht. Wo die Netzadresse anfaengt wird durch die
Netzmaske festgelegt.
>F�r was wird die genau Subnetmask ben�tigt. Was unterteilt sie?
Um bei deinem Beispiel zu bleiben:
192.168.0.80 mit Netmask 255.255.255.0 bildet ein class-C Netzwerk
mit 254 Hostadressen (.1 - .254) .
192.168.0.80 mit Netmask 255.255.0.0 bildet ein class-B Netzwerk
mit dem Adressbereich 192.168.0.1 bis 192.168.255.254 , also
65534 Hostadressen.
Ein Subnetz koennte z.B.
192.168.0.80 mit 255.255.255.128 als Netzmaske sein. Das wuerde
obiges class-C Netzwerk in 2 Haelften teilen, und der Host mit der .80
Adresse waere dann in einem Subnetz mit allen Hosts im Adressbereich
192.168.0.1 bis 192.168.0.126 (Hostadressen). Details siehe RFC1878 .
Michael
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