Linux-Networking Digest #65, Volume #12 Sat, 31 Jul 99 00:13:46 EDT
Contents:
Re: Web Server Behind a Firewall (Greg Leblanc)
Re: Repost: DNS failure and sendmail? (Neil W Rickert)
Re: 2 ppp's / 2 isp (Wisquatuk)
Getting Authorization for web access ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Firewall forwarding NetBios? (Alex Harrington)
Re: startup disk (Stefan Bauer)
Re: Does Linux do PPPOE? (Clifford Kite)
Re: Connecting 2 linux boxes with X-over cable ("Tony C")
Re: My latest networking problem (Stefan Bauer)
Re: WinNT need samba client? (Stefan Bauer)
samba won't start at boot (Gerald Pollack)
Re: ipchains not recognized by 2.2.5 kernel? (Chip Buck)
SIOCSFIFLAGS: Resource temporarily unavailable - Ethernet card problem (Sriram
Mudulodu)
SMC1211tx PCI nic does not work !! HELP PLEASE. ("John N")
Connect to Windows NT over telephone line ("Zoltan Perhacs")
having problems with leafnode (I think) (B'ichela)
Re: ARP /PROXY ARP - mapping IP's to MAC's (Wisquatuk)
Re: Multiport NIC ("Michael Faurot")
Re: route ? (Bernd Eckenfels)
Printing to a Netwok printer. (Steve Walker)
Re: Linux box as gateway for local network (Stephen Satchell)
Re: Networking Problem ("Fr�d�ric Bernard")
Re: NIS Help Please ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Connecting 2 linux boxes with X-over cable (Rod Smith)
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From: Greg Leblanc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Web Server Behind a Firewall
Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 01:22:11 GMT
The short answer is YES! The long answer is to read some of the
howto's. I'd explain it, but I don't have mine up and working quite
yet, so I'm not quite sure on specifics. If you're running the 2.2.x
kernels it should be much easier than with the 2.0.x kernels. I think
the place I saw most of that was in the IP-Chains HOWTO. That's one of
my projects for this weekend, so if I find it again as I build my 486
into a router/bridge this weekend, I'll let you know.
Greg
In article <ZDmo3.30$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"Sam Fineberg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I have a home network with several systems behind a Linux firewall
which is
> running IP Masquerading. I was wondering if it is possible to expose
a web
> server behind the firewall (without exposing its bogus IP address).
I.e.,
> can I forward traffic to port 80 on the firewall server to port 80 on
a
> machine with a different IP address behind the firewall?
>
> Thanks,
> Sam
>
>
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From: Neil W Rickert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.mail.sendmail
Subject: Re: Repost: DNS failure and sendmail?
Date: 30 Jul 1999 15:46:41 -0500
Farhad Farzaneh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>My machine is named birdie.ulogin.com. When I send myself mail to this
>address, the mail fails with the following message:
>Jul 27 22:33:09 birdie sendmail[12651]: WAA12649:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED], ctladdr=root (0/0), delay=00:00:00,
>xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=esmtp, relay=ns.ulogin.com., stat=Deferred: Name
>server: ns.ulogin.com.: host name lookup failure
>but I believe the dns is setup correctly as:
You believe wrongly. Your dns setup is broken.
According to the root nameservers, the authoritative nameservers for
your zone are 'ns.ulogin.com.' and 'DNS1.SNFC21.PACBELL.NET.'. But
neither of these provided authoritative responses.
When you start your nameserver, it is probably giving (or logging)
error messages. You need to followup on those errors.
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From: Wisquatuk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: 2 ppp's / 2 isp
Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 01:04:17 GMT
Ron Bombard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Question: If I have 2 isp accounts, 2 modems, 2 telephones, 2 ppp
> interfaces (one for each isp acct)......
>
> is there a way to use the both at the same time. to say... balance the
> load between the two ppp interfaces....
*grin* Actually, you just used the exact right words -- 'balance the
load'. What you're looking for is Serial Line Load Balancing, I
believe. I've no experience in this field, but logically, barring any
kinda odd difficulties, it would seem to be the kinda thing you're
after. Take a look at the NET-3-HOWTO (at
http://sunsite.unc.edu/pub/Linux/docs/HOWTO), under section 6.2.
Hope this helps. :)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.admin
Subject: Getting Authorization for web access
Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 01:52:06 GMT
I have a Linux 5.1 server setup as gateway to the internet. I have
multiple Windows and Linux workstations which exist inside my local
LAN. I have a firewall implemented on the gateway server. I would like
to have the users to launch there web browser and before getting access
outside the firewall, That they get prompted for a user ID and
Password.
How can I set this up and or is there a program that will allow me to
provide such a task?
Would it be better to upgrade to RH 6.0?
The program if one exist, should be Open Source however will consider
paying a fee.
Thanks
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From: Alex Harrington <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.security
Subject: Re: Firewall forwarding NetBios?
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 21:15:14 +0100
It just works here using ipfwadm. - I can see other computer's SMB
shares on the internet just fine from my Win95 box passing through my
Linux box.
Johannes Hettig wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I�ve got a Problem with my Linux-Firewall. I am in a large Domain with
> my NT-maschine behind a Linux Firwall.
>
> NT-Comp----------------Linux-Firewall--------------Domain------------gateway
>
> 129.168.12.78 abc.cdf.bla.251
> abc.cdf.bla.xxx abc.cdf.bla.254
>
> The firewall works with ipfwadm and masquerading. I want to access the
> other computers of the domain via SMB, but this does not work. I
> noticed that my NT-workstation sends the UDP packets concerning NetBIOS
> (Port 137-119) to the Broadcast address of its net. But they are not
> masqueraded and routed though I have all TCP and UDP Ports open.
> Thanks for any help
>
> Joe
>
> Reply-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 09:06:49 +0200
From: Stefan Bauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: startup disk
Try dd on linux. (dd if=<input file> of=<output file>
in your case
dd if=/dev/fd0 of=/tmp/startup.image
insert new floppy
dd if=/tmp/startup.image of=/dev/fd0
Stefan
christos karayiannis schrieb:
>
> I tried to create a second copy of my startup disk using the diskcopy
> utility from DOS. It is the only one I know that copies disks sector by
> sector. I didn't make it - I took a message illegal operation or something.
> Is there another way to make it from Windows or Linux ?
>
> christos
--
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Netsolution GbR mbH
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From: kite@NoSpam.%inetport.com (Clifford Kite)
Subject: Re: Does Linux do PPPOE?
Date: 30 Jul 1999 16:00:45 -0500
Andre M. (Mike) Maloney ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
: I just had DSL installed and my ISP is using PPPOE. My ISP is
: Earthlink. So, if their claim to be the fourth largest ISP in the USA
: is true, this will probably come up again.
It looks that way.
: Are there any PPPOE clients for Linux?
: I've tried an AltaVista search, but didn't come up with anything
: useful.
Here is the only PPPoE link for Linux I know about:
http://www.nts.com/products/enternet_ds.html
It's commericial software. I'd be interested in knowing whether any
Linux PPPoE GPL project exists.
--
Clifford Kite <kite@inet%port.com> Not a guru. (tm)
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From: "Tony C" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Connecting 2 linux boxes with X-over cable
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 19:05:45 -0700
While I agree that proper net etiquette is to not post jpgs to a non-binary
news group I am wondering why all you people that bitch about it don't get a
news reader that doesn't download message contents until you specifically
ask it to? If Microsoft has done anything right it's that Outlook Express
will only give you the message headers until you specifically ask it for the
message contents, thereby putting you in control of what gets downloaded and
what doesn't.
Furthermore, IMHO, it's equally as bad to post off-topic bitches and gripes
to the newsgroup when you could have easily sent the offender a private
email. (Which is exactly what I have done here so I guess we are all a bunch
of low class slobs!)
TC
Gene Heskett wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>Unrot13 this;
>Reply to: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>Gene Heskett sends Greetings to paul-bernice ;
>
>Do NOT post 130kb jpegs to a newsgroup where the rest of the world has
>to pay by the minute to download your ego stuffer.
>
>Cheers, Gene
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Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 09:12:08 +0200
From: Stefan Bauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: My latest networking problem
You have to remove the sam-ending in your hosts.sam in the windoze. The
sam-file is just an example.
Stefan
Hiawatha Bray schrieb:
>
> Turns out my inability to ping was related to a NIC conflict. I put in a
> PnP 3Com NIC and now my Linux box is definitely on the network. Time to set
> up Samba. Only...
>
> I can't ping my Linux box from the PC by using the Linux box's nickname. I
> can ping by typing in the IP address...that works fine. But when I type
> "ping nickname" I get nothing. I put the nickname in a HOSTS.SAM file on my
> Windows machine and in /etc/hosts on the Linux box. Why ain't it working?
> Thanks!
--
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Netsolution GbR mbH
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Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 09:46:17 +0200
From: Stefan Bauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: WinNT need samba client?
Lindoze 2000 schrieb:
>
> I'm trying to setup samba so that my windoze can share files with
> linuze.
> Do I need a special samba client for windoze? sort of like a translator.
No
> or does samba actually make it self visible to NT?
Yes, when configured correct and running.
--
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Netsolution GbR mbH
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From: Gerald Pollack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: samba won't start at boot
Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 02:49:15 GMT
I'm using samba (2.04b) for file sharing between my linux system (RH
5.2, 2.2.2) and a Windows95 VMware guest. I'm unable to get samba to
start at boot. The following error appears in /var/log/samba/log.smb:
[1999/07/30 22:25:18, 0] lib/util_sock.c:open_socket_in(709)
bind failed on port 139 socket_addr=192.168.215.1 (Cannot assign
requested address)
If I start samba after booting, everything works fine. It occured to me
that perhaps some other service, required by samba, was being started
only after samba during the boot sequence, but this doesn't appear to be
the case; I boot to runlevel 3, and the only entry in /etc/rc.d/rc3.d
with a higher number than the link to /etc/rc.d/init.d/smb is the link
to rc.local. I've tried starting samba as the last statement in
rc.local, but I still have the same problem.
Any suggestions?
Thanks,
--
Gerald Pollack
Dept. of Biology, McGill University
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From: Chip Buck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: ipchains not recognized by 2.2.5 kernel?
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 12:27:59 -0400
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Ok, I have installed the 2.2.10 kernel. This has unfortunately created
other difficulties.
My network cards are recognized and show up in ifconfig, but they will
not handle any traffic
( this is true for both cards, the internal network and external ). I am
sure this is due to something I have left out
of the kernel, but I don't know what. I've been playing with this since
my last post.
On the good side ipchains commands do respond, so ... If I can only get
the NIC's talking as well as with
my old 2.2.5 kernel then I'll be in business.
Suggestions Please !!
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From: Sriram Mudulodu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: SIOCSFIFLAGS: Resource temporarily unavailable - Ethernet card problem
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 14:20:49 -0700
> Hi,
>
> I have a netgear 10/100 Mbps PCI card on HP pavilion PC. It seems to
work
> fine with Windows.
>
> With Linux the card is detected at boot time. When I type 'ifconfig', it
> does not show the config for eth0. ('ifconfig eth0' however shows it).
> When I try 'ifconfig eth0 up' the following message is seen :
>
> SIOCSFIFLAGS: Resource temporarily unavailable.
>
> I tried reinstalling Linux but it doesn't work.
> (The same card works on another machine with Linux on it)
If you know how to fix, please do e-mail me.
Thanks a lot,
Sriram
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From: "John N" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: SMC1211tx PCI nic does not work !! HELP PLEASE.
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 23:01:27 -0400
Need help please,
I very "green" in linux, being a DOS/WINDOWS believer for a long
time... my SMC1211tx PCI nic card does not work. I've downloaded the source
code for this driver from smc for this nic card, but I do not know how to
make it all work.
Can you please HELP thanks a mil...
John Nunez
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From: "Zoltan Perhacs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Connect to Windows NT over telephone line
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 14:53:52 +0200
Can someone tell me how can i connect from my linux box
to a windows nt server over a modem and use its shares ?
I'm looking for detailed informations.
Thank you !
Zoltan Perhacs
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (B'ichela)
Subject: having problems with leafnode (I think)
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 16:15:08 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I am having a problem. Every sinced I switched my hostname to
my dynamic domain name. Pinkrose.dhis.org. and installed leafnode
1.10b2 No one on my system can get news out past www.remarq.com! That
service is who my ISP outsourced its news to. My Uplink never uses
passwords and the news articals DO get posted but then they don't seem
to go farther than that machine. I cannot seem to find any replies to
any of my postings or questions.
If anyone has ideas I sure could use a few. If anything it
will tell me that the news articals are going somewhere.
--
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=========================================================================
Y2K appears to be the Baby Boomers mid-life crisis, and it has the
potential to be a dandy.
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From: Wisquatuk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: ARP /PROXY ARP - mapping IP's to MAC's
Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 02:13:01 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I want to "hard code" the MAC address into my Linux system, to avoid
> the ARP problem.
I think what you want to do is to use the 'arp' command on the Linux
box to store the entry in the ARP cache, using the -s option. As long
as you don't specify the temporary flag, it should be permanent, I
think. :)
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From: "Michael Faurot" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: Multiport NIC
Date: 30 Jul 1999 23:55:26 GMT
In comp.os.linux.hardware [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
: In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
: Ron Black <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
:> I would like to develope a router/gateway/firewall
:> system using a linux box.
:>
:> The ideal system would have up to eight network interfaces.
:> I am aware of an adaptec ana 62044 multiport nic. Will this,
:> or a similar product, work under any version of linux ?
:> If so, is it possible to get two such devices working ?
: Go check out http://www.znyx.com/ for other adapters. We
: manufacture PCI and CompactPCI multiport adapters with up
: to eight ports.
I was looking at the Zynx cards awhile back and was wondering if
they'll work okay with a 2.0.35 kernel running with RedHat v4.2?
--
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From: Bernd Eckenfels <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: route ?
Date: 30 Jul 1999 21:29:09 GMT
Marc Schuette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref
> Use Iface
> 192.1.1.0 * 255.255.255.0 0
> 0 0 0 eth0
> I would like to change this entry to use 192.1.1.254 as the gateway
> address for the 192.1.1.xxx network. how would i do this? thanks.
It does not make sence to use a gateway for a network which is in that
network. Since you need a route to the gateway before you can add a rute
through this gateway. Setting the route will be like this:
route add -net 192.1.1.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 gw 192.1.1.254
But as i said this does not make sence. Yu should write down how your
network looks like. Perhaps you need a host ro ute to the gateway:
route add -host 192.1.1.254 dev eth0
route add -net 192.1.1.0 gw 192.1.1.254
Greetings
Bernd
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Steve Walker)
Subject: Printing to a Netwok printer.
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 21:12:59 GMT
I have a small ethernet network at home with an HP LaserJet 4Plus with
a JetDirect card installed. I have managed to get my Mac and Windows
(via JetDirect software) to print to the HP. How do I set up Linux to
print to it.
I have read the How-to on printing and Networking, but have been
unable to put the two together.
Is the PrintCap file something to do with the Network printing?
Thanks for any response.
Steve
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Subject: Re: Linux box as gateway for local network
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Stephen Satchell)
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 21:51:58 GMT
I'm running Red Hat 6.0, and I elected to do all my stuff out of rc.local
instead of mucking with the network-settings scripts. So I leave
FORWARD_IPV4=false, then do the echo thing to the /proc/.../ip_forward
file so that I can have my chains set up before turning on forwarding.
Because I'm running both ADSL and ISDN to the same ISP, I have some funny
stuff in my routing tables that need to be set up to keep both
happy...and also to set up the administrative domain on the untrusted
side of the network. <sigh>
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Anthony Valentine) wrote in
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>Arjan,
>
> A common mistake is to forget to set ip_forwarding to on. In RedHat
> 6.0
>(may be different in
>other dists) you do this by changing the following line in
>/etc/sysconfig/network
>
>FORWARD_IPV4=false
>change to:
>FORWARD_IPV4=true
>
>This will take effect at reboot. For an immediate change, do the
>following:
>
>echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
>
>This will not last after a reboot unless you change the
>/etc/sysconfig/network file.
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From: "Fr�d�ric Bernard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Networking Problem
Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 04:52:18 +0200
>>I am helpless.. and have no solutions until yet.. It's obvouisly a stupid
>>newbie problem...
>
>You are stubborn. You are not helpless.
>
8-)) Yes, sorry, that's what i was thinking ! sure not helpless..
You know what ?
IT WORKS !!!
I can't tell exactly were was the problem, but finally i took a brand new
card from my personnal computer ,
a D-LINK DFE530TX and with the help of some existing messages on here (again
some from you!) I quickly was able to ping all machines on the network...
Sure Netbios is over Tcp/ip.
But i'm not finished with everything... cause i used a NE2K-PCI module
because not seeing the via-rhide module in the linuxconf list,
once i compiled (gcc with all arguments, then make config, make dep... if I
try then make zlilo, it stops with errors telling me that the kernel is to
big.... is it normal ?)
Anyway, the NE2K module works with the card even if it is probably not an
optimal solution (i mean ping is not as fast as on other machines...)
Finally, the 3C509 combo and the 3C900 Combo-PCI never worked , and the
EtherExpress PRO100 was never recognized by Linux.. in fact i discovered
that the PRO100A seems not to be supported.. only the "B" revision... and
guess what.. I have only "A" 's....;))
I think i will post my results as an indeoendant message on here, especially
to thank everyone who took some time for helping me..
Thanx anyway to you Vidar !
fred
>Tcp/ip and 'netbios over tcp/ip'?
>
>(I suspect if not so, maybe netbeui ore somthing else 'win-only' is
>set to handle it.)
>
>But still, if you are connected to a hub (not switc) which gives you a
>link, tcpdump should show traffic. Switching hub's (one 100Mbps side
>and one 10Mbps side) could give you silence, but still, you should se
>broadcast-messages.
>
>>I am helpless.. and have no solutions until yet.. It's obvouisly a stupid
>>newbie problem...
>
>You are stubborn. You are not helpless.
>
>Mvh Vidar Andresen
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: NIS Help Please
Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 03:14:10 GMT
I've set that the /etc/sysconfig/network file. It still gives me the
error.
In article <Zf8o3.21947$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"Robert Hurst" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Have you set domainname?
>
> domainname <name_of_NIS_domain>
>
> Just type domainname and see if it returns its string. If it is not
set,
> ypbind will not work.
>
> You can have it set automagically upon reboot from the
/etc/rc.d/rc.sysinit
> script by adding a line in the /etc/sysconfig/network file:
>
> NISDOMAIN="name_of_NIS_domain"
>
> Good luck.
>
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Rod Smith)
Subject: Re: Connecting 2 linux boxes with X-over cable
Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 03:16:25 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In article <933387014.21361@cacheraq001>,
"Tony C" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> While I agree that proper net etiquette is to not post jpgs to a non-binary
> news group I am wondering why all you people that bitch about it don't get a
> news reader that doesn't download message contents until you specifically
> ask it to? If Microsoft has done anything right it's that Outlook Express
> will only give you the message headers until you specifically ask it for the
> message contents, thereby putting you in control of what gets downloaded and
> what doesn't.
Many people configure their systems to download entire newsgroup contents
at off hours, then read it locally. On non-binary newsgroups, this
generally reduces online time compared to reading while online, but
posting big binaries can reverse that tendency.
I don't happen to be one of these people (I don't pay for my net access by
the minute), but I understand the concern.
> Furthermore, IMHO, it's equally as bad to post off-topic bitches and gripes
> to the newsgroup when you could have easily sent the offender a private
> email. (Which is exactly what I have done here so I guess we are all a bunch
> of low class slobs!)
Often true, but OTOH, if nobody complains PUBLICLY about large binary
posts, others might not realize it's a Bad Thing. A public gripe or two
every now and then, even if off-topic, can head off far worse in the
future.
That said, this WILL be my last posting on this topic in this thread.
--
Rod Smith
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