Linux-Networking Digest #632, Volume #12 Sat, 18 Sep 99 21:13:33 EDT
Contents:
Problem getting NIC card recognized (Ron Rattie)
Domains with Linux (Josh Gentry)
Re: Terminal Server-Help Please! (Paul Hustava)
*Some* web sites inaccessible through ipchains? ("David S. Rowell")
converting database file to passwd file (Josh Gentry)
Re: Can't compile pppd 2.3.9 (Clifford Kite)
Re: DSL & PPPoE (Jim Patterson)
Re: Domains with Linux (DanH)
ethernet crossover cables ("Michael A. Painter")
MARS_NWE Problem (Bob Castles)
Re: ethernet crossover cables (Jim Patterson)
Sample smb.conf file (Gaetano)
Re: can't locate module lo and eth0 (Bo Forslund)
Re: problem with 3c509 (Omegaman)
Re: problem with 3c509 (�yvind)
Re: Is remote GUI possible (Omegaman)
Re: Connect two computers directly via ethernet card (Omegaman)
Re: Telnet service on different TCP/IP port? (Omegaman)
Dual boot networked to dual boot (dkselich)
hybernation!! ("Sudip Sarbajna")
Re: Linux, NFS, and SAMBA (Omegaman)
Re: Domains with Linux ("Eugene")
RH6 - DHCPCD not running completion script ("Evan B. Ross")
Newbie Question ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: RH6 - DHCPCD not running completion script (Tom Eastep)
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From: Ron Rattie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Problem getting NIC card recognized
Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 13:42:49 -0700
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
All,
I have a "generic" Encore ESL-816-TB ISA NIC that for some odd reason
refuses to be recognized on startup. I need to use it to reach the
modem on my PowerMac(which I'm using right now) since I made a stupid
decision awhile back and put a winmodem in place of my old isa 28.8 card
: ( {gave the 28.8 to a relative..jeez} I've tried ifconfig, linuxconf,
netcfg...etc... Is there anything I can try short of recompiling the
kernel to get this to work...(I'll settle for straight ne2000 compatible
use...nothing fancy needed.)
Thanks in Advance,
Ron
--
"Macintosh: we may not get everything right but at least we knew the
century was going to end." Douglas Adams
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From: Josh Gentry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Domains with Linux
Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 14:40:13 -0700
Folks,
We are looking for somekind of domain authentication for
Linux, somewhat analogous to what an NT PDC does. We want a
Linux server to process workstation login scripts to
automatically authenticate users and mount the appropriate
file systems for that user.
For any given login event, file systems may have to be
mounted based on at least 2 criteria:
1. machine ID
2. User ID
Any ideas? We really want to migrate from Novell and NT to
Linux, but we must keep this functionality.
Josh
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul Hustava)
Subject: Re: Terminal Server-Help Please!
Date: Sat, 18 Sep 99 21:43:57 GMT
In article <7rlng8$kvv$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>Hi,
>I am hoping someone can help me with this. Basically I have a bunch of
>devices that are managed using serial cables only. I want to hook these
>devices to my ethernet network so I can telnet to them. Right now I
>have a couple of these devices plugged into a linux box and I use
>Minicom to talk to them, but I'd like something a bit more
>sophisticated. Basically what I want is the flexability of the
>Portmaster. I want to be able to assign a IP address to a serial port
>so that when I sit down at my PC (not the linux box) and I type
>telnet xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx it just takes me straight into the serial
>device. I've been looking for a while for something that does this and
>I have been very unsuccessful.
>
(Posted and Mailed)
termpkg-3.0.tar.gz
..and let me know how you got it working :)
Have a look at termpkg-3.0. Maybe we can help each other make some
sense of it :). I have a similar situation where I would like to
connect a number of PLCs via serial line to a Linux box, install
termpkg and allow applications like TCPWedge to grab data from
these connections, and pull them into a spreadsheet, or write a
file directly to disk. (whatever does the job)
I need to set this up so that the connection is always open. The
PLCs are constantly dumping delimited text. they're each connected
to it's own jug, bottle, or drum filler (beverage concetrate
manufacturing)
I am already doing this with a couple of old Lantronix terminal
servers, but we (they) recently found out that the terminal servers
are not Y2K compliant (feh! it's just encapsulated data streams,
give me a break) and we have to retire them.
I do know that:
The way this would work once it's connected is that each serial line
would get it's own socket under the terminal server's IP address.
TCPWedge would then go in and get what data it needs and hand it off
MS-Excel, or dump it right to a file.
--
Paul Hustava
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "David S. Rowell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: *Some* web sites inaccessible through ipchains?
Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 16:28:53 -0400
Greetings,
I have installed RH6.0 and ipchains. I have a dialup connection to connect
to my local ISP, and I use my Linux server as a gateway. ipchains is set up
using the "three line setup" from the howto.
Many sites are accessible from my Win98 client machine on my side of the
server, but some are not. The browser says "connection reset". When I try
to connect from a browser on the server, they work fine (presumably not
going through ipchains). This is a very consistent problem -- here's a
short list of problematic sites:
www.onsale.com
www.firstusa.com
netbenefits.401k.com
www.4cds.com
What kinds of things can I do to troubleshoot this problem? I am able to
ping these sites successfully, but when I traceroute them I usually get
"Request timed out" towards the end of the route.
Again, this is a problem on some sites, but not others. Any suggestions
would be greatly appreciated.
Thank you,
David S. Rowell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(yes it's a valid address -- don't remove nospam)
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From: Josh Gentry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: converting database file to passwd file
Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 14:36:03 -0700
Folks,
The project is to migrate a departmental file server from a
Novell box to a Linux box. We have a database record of all
the Novell users. We want to be able to output a file in a
format that a script will use to create a passwd file to
place all the user accounts on the Linux box. We have a guy
who says he can output the file from the database just about
however we want it, so the script is what we are looking
for. We want to run the script, giving it this file as
input, and get a passwd file out. Could be a shell script,
or I could see it bing a PERL script. Anyone have one, or
know where we could get one.
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From: kite@NoSpam.%inetport.com (Clifford Kite)
Subject: Re: Can't compile pppd 2.3.9
Date: 18 Sep 1999 15:16:15 -0500
David C. Churchill ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> All with no problems, however, when I run make I get the following error:
> sys-linux.o: In function `ppp_available':
> /usr/include/sys/stat.h:169: undefined reference to `makedev'
> make[1]: *** [pppd] Error 1
Adding
#include <sys/sysmacros.h>
to the end of the sys header list in pppd/sys-linux.c should make the
problem go away.
You can also get ppp-2.3.10 which came out Friday and doesn't have this
this little problem.
--
Clifford Kite <kite@inet%port.com> Not a guru. (tm)
/* I gave up on politics when no matter who I voted for, I regretted it.
* -- Pepper...and Salt, WSJ */
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From: Jim Patterson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: DSL & PPPoE
Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 22:13:57 GMT
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Michael Foster wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> I just got an ADSL modem and want to get it running on my Linux Server
> (Red Hat 5.2) so I can split the connection. My ISP is using PPP over
> Ethernet and does not support Linux yet. I've been able to get my
> server to split a regular modem connection, so I think I shouldn't have
> to do that much to change it. I've been using netconfig, which has a
> PPP option but it appears only to be set up to use a regular modem. Can
> anyone give me some pointers or references to documents that might
> help? Thanks.
I'm suprised to hear that your ISP isn't supporting PPPoE on Linux yet,
because they (Sympatico) apparently are in Ontario. However, maybe they are
just doing so "unofficially" as I don't think they officially support Linux
at all.
In any case, check out the news group sympatico.highspeed . There are also
some PPPoE FAQ pages. Here is one specifically for Linux:
http://sidhe.folkwolf.net/~chris/pppoe-howto
This one talks about kernel support for PPPoE in Linux, but it's still
strictly a development project from what I've seen:
http://www.ipsec.org/email/pppoe/0114.html
There is more general information about PPPoE, especially at Sympatico, on
Bob Carrick's PPPoE page at
http://www3.sympatico.ca/bcarrick/pppoefaq.htm
Hope this helps!
--
Jim Patterson
Nepean, Ontario
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From: DanH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Domains with Linux
Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 18:09:53 -0400
Josh Gentry wrote:
>
> Folks,
>
> We are looking for somekind of domain authentication for
> Linux, somewhat analogous to what an NT PDC does. We want a
> Linux server to process workstation login scripts to
> automatically authenticate users and mount the appropriate
> file systems for that user.
>
> For any given login event, file systems may have to be
> mounted based on at least 2 criteria:
>
> 1. machine ID
> 2. User ID
>
> Any ideas? We really want to migrate from Novell and NT to
> Linux, but we must keep this functionality.
You have not looked into UNIX that much. Logging into ANY box that has
home directories NFS mounted (automount) brings that person into his/her
home directory only.
Set other NFS mounted directories for group read/write and put the
appropriate people into the groups they're allowed to write to.
This way you only have one server that has the files. It shares the
files via NFS, every system mounts that directory and only the people
who have the right to write to it can. Single box to upgrade, not each
desktop.
Dan
--
UNIX - Not just for vestal virgins anymore
Linux - Choice of a GNU generation
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From: "Michael A. Painter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: ethernet crossover cables
Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 17:40:11 -0400
Does anyone know which wires i need to have reversed to make an ethernet
crossover cable. I tried the two td/rd wires but that did not work. Is
there another set of wires i need to cross or connect?
ps please email a response to this question to me
thank you
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From: Bob Castles <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: MARS_NWE Problem
Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 14:54:00 -0700
I would appreciate any help anyone can offer with this problem.
I recently decided to network my home. I bought a few Netgear ISA NICs
and one of their hubs. For the server, I got NWE. I'm using Slackware
3.6 with the 2.0.35 kernel and I load most everything, IPX included, as
modules. This seems to work fine, the card module is 'ne.o', eth0
appears to initialize properly. Make does not complain and I've
checked the files '/etc/nwserv.conf' and 'config.h' to see if any
changes seemed necessary and none seemed so, but then, I really don't
know what I'm doing. I set as much for automatic decection/modification
as possible. Make 'install' also goes fine. However, when I try to
start the server, I get a number of 'PANIC' messages. The first, and
most puzzing to me is 'SIGSEGV at pid xxx' . I was under the,
obviously mistaken impression that this signal would only occurr during
compilation. This is followed by :
'NWSERV 0:PANIC'
'NWSERV 0:CHILD died:Invalid argument'
'Child=NWBIND, result=-99'
and the server shuts down. Any ideas?
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From: Jim Patterson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: ethernet crossover cables
Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 22:20:21 GMT
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"Michael A. Painter" wrote:
> Does anyone know which wires i need to have reversed to make an ethernet
> crossover cable. I tried the two td/rd wires but that did not work. Is
> there another set of wires i need to cross or connect?
The easy way is to just buy them; most computer stores carry them now.
If you want to make your own, though, it should simply be a swap of transmit
and receive wires, that is, T+ with R+ and T- with R- . That translates to
wiring pin 1 to pin 3 (T+ to R+) and pin 2 to pin 6 (T- to R-). Worked for
me!
--
Jim Patterson
Nepean, Ontario
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Gaetano)
Subject: Sample smb.conf file
Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 23:41:17 GMT
Can someone send me a sample of there smb.conf file so that I may see
how its done. I have read the setup guide, but having trouble with its
application. I am familliar with networking and could probably figure
it out if I had a semplate to follow. I would appreciate it greatly
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From: Bo Forslund <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: can't locate module lo and eth0
Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1999 01:04:47 +0200
OK. Lets put it this way. Modprobe shall, according to the man page, handle
loadable modules automatically. The loopback and eth0 is NOTcompiled as modules,
and can never be found as they not are modules. They are allready forged into the
kernel. And as they are allready in the kernel they don't have to be automatically
loaded.
Both the loopback and eth0 works perfectly well. It just 100 extra lines into
/var/log/messages every reboot, that's all.
The question is, why tries the kernel to handle loadable modules that doesnt exist
automatically.
It is no serious problem. The boot is delayed one second or so, and the logs get a
couple of kilobytes bigger than necessary, that's all.
Bo
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From: Omegaman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: problem with 3c509
Date: 18 Sep 1999 18:41:38 -0500
"Ricardo Wagner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Autoprobe just looks at your card but that does not mean that you are free
> of an Interrupt conflict which seems to be the problem. Also...is your card
> correctly configured??, DMA, IO... speed..(100 mb not recommended for Linux)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Huh? That's not true. I run 100baseT works fine. Where did you get
this information or is this something specific about the 3C509? (Which
I think is 10baseT only card anyway) There are lots of cards that do
100baseT on Linux and have for some time.
> ...what sort of problems you have with your IP settings. You don't need a
> DNS to get the network running, just set your IP and netmask. The address of
> your proxy should be placed in your DEFAULT GATEWAY in linuxconf... keep
> on...
--
Scott Harney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
System Administrator - Fastband.com
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From: �yvind <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: problem with 3c509
Date: 19 Sep 1999 02:10:43 +0200
Omegaman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> "Ricardo Wagner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > Autoprobe just looks at your card but that does not mean that you are free
> > of an Interrupt conflict which seems to be the problem. Also...is your card
> > correctly configured??, DMA, IO... speed..(100 mb not recommended for Linux)
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> Huh? That's not true. I run 100baseT works fine. Where did you get
> this information or is this something specific about the 3C509? (Which
> I think is 10baseT only card anyway) There are lots of cards that do
> 100baseT on Linux and have for some time.
I have very big dificulties with my 3c 905B.
It shows up on the hub ass 100Mbit and vortex-diag -a shows:
Transceiver type in use: 100baseTX.
MAC settings: half-duplex.
...
And i only get 12 Kb/s from and to a machine with a Intel EE Pro 100 card.
I get good speeds to all the 10mbit clients. Even with a crossover cable
i get only 12 kb/s between them... If anyone have a solution to this i
would be glad =)
�yvind
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From: Omegaman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Is remote GUI possible
Date: 18 Sep 1999 18:53:45 -0500
Kees Sprangers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Steve Waldo wrote:
>
> > I'm maintaining a server remotely and sometimes wish I could run a graphical
> > program, such as linuxconf. Anyone know how this can be accomplished?
> >
> > Thanks.
> > --Steve
>
> On my own PC (runs X), I do a 'X -query <ip-adress or hostname>
> :<display-number>
> This starts up a new X session for another machine and so accomplishes that I
> can switch between the desktops of different machines with Ctrl-Alt-FunctionKey.
>
> I don't know if this is secure though.... (anybody?)
>
Nope. And it's probably overkill to do the whole desktop over a WAN
link. He just wants to run a single app. When I want to run an app
remote (this xemacs session is being run remotely this way) do:
ssh -f -X hostname program
Works well. Plus you get the added bonus of encryption and
authentication.
--
Scott Harney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
System Administrator - Fastband.com
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From: Omegaman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Connect two computers directly via ethernet card
Date: 18 Sep 1999 18:55:52 -0500
Slava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Hi ! if some one can explain to how can i connect two computers
> under linux RH 6.0
> (Two computers are connected via ethernet interface, i mean that network
> adaoters are installed on both computers ).
> My question is what should i do to continue ?
You need a crossover cable to connect the two. If you have BNC type
connectors you can use a single cable and terminators on each end.
Then read the NET-3 HOWTO to set up a network between the two.
--
Scott Harney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
System Administrator - Fastband.com
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From: Omegaman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Telnet service on different TCP/IP port?
Date: 18 Sep 1999 19:35:31 -0500
"R.A. Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
You may also want to consider using ssh for client logins rather than
telnet.
> You need to add your new port as a line in /etc/services, and probably
> in /etc/inetd.conf
> Take a look at the syntax there for other services, and simply make
> duplicate lines.
>
> =======================================================================
>
> On Wed, 15 Sep 1999, Mark R. Holbrook wrote:
>
> > Hello,
> >
> > I will be setting up a Redhat 6.0 Linux box within our LAN. Because
> > of requirements of other programs running on the LAN I cannot use the
> > standard TCP/IP port assigned to Telnet.
> >
> > How can I change the Linux Telnet service to listen on a different
> > port for logins?
> >
> > Thanks in advance!
> >
> > Mark
> >
> >
>
--
Scott Harney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
System Administrator - Fastband.com
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From: dkselich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Dual boot networked to dual boot
Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 17:52:04 -0700
I have two dual boot machines. They are already networked when both
machines are running Win98. I want to network them when one is running
linux and the other is running Win98. I also want to network them when
they are both running linux.
Does one of these machines have to be set up as a server and the other a
workstation?
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From: "Sudip Sarbajna" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: hybernation!!
Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1999 00:18:24 GMT
Hi
I am experiencing something awkward! Sometime after booting - the
networking apps like xterm,telnet,ping seem to freeze ( from the client pc
running win98) ! But the moment I do some activity( pressing <CR>) in the
console of the linux box they all come alive !!
As if it goes into some hybernation till any activity is registered in the
console. Has it something to do with the power managent stuff? To make sure
my linux box runs those network apps continuously I recompiled the kernel
and carefully answered 'no' to any kind of 'power management' related
configuration question during 'make config'. Still it is behaving the same!!
I disabled the pwer management options in the cmos set up also.
Can anybody throw some pointer?
Thanks in advance.
Sudip
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From: Omegaman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux, NFS, and SAMBA
Date: 18 Sep 1999 19:33:14 -0500
"James Puttick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Probably not. Why not do it directly, though? install samba on the
HP-UX box and use smbsh to "mount" it. Not perfect, but it will work.
> We have 3 computer systems: an old HP-UX (Unix) system (HP-UX version 6.5),
> a WinNT v3.51 system, and a Linux system (Red Hat release 5.2). Everything
> is running TCP/IP.
>
> We have some NT shares mounted by the Linux system (via SAMBA).
>
> We have some directories on the Linux system mounted by the HP-UX system
> (via NFS).
>
> Question: Is it possible to do a "double-redirection", so that the HP-UX
> system can mount a Linux file system, which is actually a WinNT share? We
> have tried several things, but have not got it to work properly.
>
> -- James
--
Scott Harney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
System Administrator - Fastband.com
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From: "Eugene" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Domains with Linux
Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1999 00:48:44 GMT
this depends on what the clients are. For Linux clients, you need to set up
NIS and NFS.
NIS takes care of authentication. All login names & passwords are stored on
the NIS machine (a la NT PDC or whatever the Novell equivalent is).
NFS is for mounting remote file systems.
You'll probably want both services to run on the same box.
The info is available at www.linux.org/help
If the clients are win95 or (insert another windoze) clients, you need to
set up samba. Samba runs on just about any Unix, and makes the box look like
an NT box (as far as windows clients can tell).
info & download: www.samba.org
Eugene
Josh Gentry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Folks,
>
> We are looking for somekind of domain authentication for
> Linux, somewhat analogous to what an NT PDC does. We want a
> Linux server to process workstation login scripts to
> automatically authenticate users and mount the appropriate
> file systems for that user.
>
> For any given login event, file systems may have to be
> mounted based on at least 2 criteria:
>
> 1. machine ID
> 2. User ID
>
> Any ideas? We really want to migrate from Novell and NT to
> Linux, but we must keep this functionality.
>
> Josh
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
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From: "Evan B. Ross" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RH6 - DHCPCD not running completion script
Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 20:46:59 -0400
I just upgraded from RH5 to RH6 and have gone through translating all my
ipfwadm rules to ipchains and it seems to work.
Except for one thing.
The dhcpcd daemon isn't running it's completion script. I tried putting
it in /etc/dhcpc just like the man page says, and I also tried using the
old -c option, but no luck either way.
My dhcpcd-eth1.info file is getting updated, so it looks like I'm
talking to the server.
Any ideas? Worst comes to worst I'll throw it into the crontab, I
suppose...
--
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evan AT eross.com Waltham, MA 02451
http://www.eross.com/evan NAR #73462
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Newbie Question
Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1999 01:05:22 GMT
I am trying to configuer SuSE 6.2 to connect to GTE WorldWind and am
getting nowhere.GTE does not support Linux so I quess I am on my own.
Accordint to the documentatio that I can find both in print and on the
Internet there is suppose to be a URL for a guy who works at GTE
http//:www.psilord.com
however there is nothing on that page except some graphics. There are
no links, hypertext or anything that even resembles a file.
Does any one out here run WorldWind using Linux? If so any pointers as
to how you set it up would be greatly appreciated.
Thanx Dave
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From: Tom Eastep <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: RH6 - DHCPCD not running completion script
Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1999 01:07:18 +0000
"Evan B. Ross" wrote:
>
> I just upgraded from RH5 to RH6 and have gone through translating all my
> ipfwadm rules to ipchains and it seems to work.
>
> Except for one thing.
>
> The dhcpcd daemon isn't running it's completion script. I tried putting
> it in /etc/dhcpc just like the man page says, and I also tried using the
> old -c option, but no luck either way.
>
> My dhcpcd-eth1.info file is getting updated, so it looks like I'm
> talking to the server.
>
> Any ideas? Worst comes to worst I'll throw it into the crontab, I
> suppose...
>
RH6 uses pump rather that dhcpcd -- pump does not support completion
scripts...
-Tom
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