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Now hold it there,

I can understand a few people whining about computer illiterates and 
MS, but calling them idiot -by describing their behavior idiocy, is 
completely outta line. I built my  computer myself, used to have 4 
OSs on my custom box and consider myself an advanced user if not 
accomplished one, but unlike you all, I don't think every computer 
user has to be computer literate.

Computer are nothing more than devices that supposed to make the life 
easier just like your car does. You get in your car start the engine 
and drive, you don't give damn about inner workings of a diesel 
engine. Infact most drivers can't tell the engine from the battery. 
Cool thing is they don't need to. Who gives a damn!!! They just drive 
the thing and when the thing get screwed up they take the damn thing 
to garage and have it fixed. And that's how/why technicians get paid. 
Most of you are computer professionals I believe, you should respect 
this fact, it is those idiots who are paying your salary.

I personally, looking at the current state of linux, don't see any 
use of it for an average computer user. The reason MS sells is that 
they make their OS so even an idiot can make use of it and use it. 

Why are you people so much concerned about an OS which you'll never 
use? If you think Windows sucks, don't use it. That is 
understandable. But why complain about it? I don't like Windows95/98 
myself(check my sig.) because I find them incomplete, as in my 
opinion a complete OS should have features like being multiuser, a 
web and ftp server and all other networking capabilities, -which 
admittedly Win95/98 are missing. But NT on the other hand, has that 
great GUI interface that linux people were not able to get even close 
to yet and not all that terrible, at least have a http/ftp server 
built-in and buncha other networking stuff.

I think the needs should be the number 1 concern here. Why is it you 
want a computer? What are you planning to do with it? What are your 
and your companies needs? The answers to these questions should lead 
a computer user to correct OS, and for the rest of us it is 
Win95/98/NT. If you're going to do some word processing, surf the 
web, need multimedia capabilities, home entertainment etc., it is 
Win95/98 you're looking for. If you have some programming/networking 
needs and want a more stable OS go for NT. As these 3 OS are now 
industry standards, supported by all (major)hardware companies out 
there, and there are sh*t load of software available for these. 
Win95/98/NT answers the needs of most computer users that's why they 
have an awesome market share, esp. in home computing.

Only if your needs are so special, if you need something more 
configurable (therefor not pre configured), if you think you have 
guts and knowledge to get it done, get it work; then go for linux. 

I also think that we all should face the fact that it is only 
computer hobbyists(commonly referred as geeks) and computer 
professionals who have enough time to deal with linux. The rest of us 
want to get the things done without spending great deal of time. 
Because -well it may be hard to understand for some of you but, the 
time is most expensive for some.

Thank you,

Jerome Tan wrote:

> Good opinion! I agree! :) You are right that that is where 
Microsoft
earns
> there money, they use to earn them from the idiocies of the 
computer
user.
>
> One of the common idiocies of the people is their preference for
feature,
> ease of use over reliability, quality, and strenght of the OS. I 
admit
I'm
> one of them who also fall in the victim's category.
>
> [Jerome Tan]
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>
> >I think that statement should be qualified:
> >More people are knowledgable "of" computers: that is true.
> >However, in the past, the average user of a computer had more
knowledge
> >"about" the computer they were using.  They had to be.
> >The current state is sad indeed: Many users of computers have no 
idea

> >"about" the computer they use.  It's actually COMMON to find 
people
> >who have no idea what a directory is, or the difference between
> >RAM and hard disk space.  And these people actually USE and OWN
> >computers!
> >
> >In other words, five/ten years ago things may have looked like 
this:
> >85%: people who didn't use computers
> >14%: people who used computers, and actually knew stuff about
> >     computers (ie: knew more than just how to start programs)
> >1%:  people who used computers, but didn't know much about them
> >
> >Now it looks morelike this:
> >40%: people who don't use computers
> >20%: people who use computers, and actually knew stuff about
> >     computers (ie: knew more than just how to start programs)
> >40%: people who use computers, but didn't know much about them
> >
> >THESE NUMBER ARE FICTICIOUS, but they illustrate the trend
> >that seems to be growing.  More people using computers, but a 
smaller

> >percentage of computer users who know what they are doing.
> >
> >I suppose this is to be expected in a society where people will 
save
> >money for a month, only to spend it on a device that programs 
their
> >VCR.  Actually spending an hour reading the manuals that came with
> >the VCR is never a consideration.
> >
> >This is where MicroSoft shines: They've designed a system that
> >let's you use a comuter without really knowing ANYTHING about
> >computers.  The problem with such a sustem is that Win 95/98/NT
> >is designed not with the intent of being
> >powerful/versitile/efficient/etc., but rather with the intent
> >of keeping novice users from shooting themselves in the foot.
> >It's the other users who get screwed.
> >
> >Take my parents.  They own a P-200MMX, running Win95.  When they 
have

> >a problem, they call me.  And it's a damn good thing that they 
have a

> >son who knows computers, because M$ tech support would have put 
them
> >in the poor house by now!
> >
> >>
> >> I agree with you that an average computer user don't know what
video card
> >> they have, they only know to complain when things go wrong or 
see
an
> error.
> >> That's why, many people think Linux is not for everyone.
> >>
> >
> >I agree, Linux is not for everyone.  I have never seen a system 
that
> >allowed novice users the simplicity that they need, yet gave the
> >so-called power-users the abilities they need.
> >
> >>
> >> I chose to think differently, if Linux is COMPLETELY or ALMOST
> customizable,
> >> we can customize one for those people, at least, we increase the
market
> >> range of Linux and more software will be ported for Linux. Don't
you
> think
> >> so?
> >>
> >
> >Agreed.  that is why different distributions exist.  From the
power-user
> >distibutions (like debian), to the buisness-targeted distributions
> >(like Caldera).
> >
> >
> >Bryan Scaringe
> >



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