I understand your discomfort. Unfortunately for me, you also happen to be
right.
Oh well ....
John Baskette
ex. 4385
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> From: Ray Olszewski[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2000 11:02 AM
> To: Baskette, John
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: WinZip Split Files
>
> John --
>
> After looking at the site http://www.research.att.com/sw/tools/uwin/, I
> find
> myself very uncomfortable with your recommendation. I read your posting
> (quoted at the end of this message in full) as endorsing the use of this
> AT&T software in violation of its license. You wrote:
>
> >... you can download it and use it for free for
> >research, educational or evaluation purposes. I view my occasional use
> as
> >falling into those catagories.
>
> Which one? According to the materials at the Web site you listed:
>
> "evaluation" is limited to a 90-day license, not "occasional use"
>
> "educational" applies to "users at educational institutions". Even
> if you are one (I wouldn't guess it from your e-mail
> address), members of this list in general are not.
>
> "research" is undefined anywhere that I can find, but I'd be
> interested in seeing an explanation of how you
> interpret "occasional use" as "research", particularly
> the example of "occasional use" that you offer in your
> message. What are you "researching"?
>
> Free and Open Source software are good things, but in using them, we
> should
> not slip into the notion that anything available for download is free for
> all possible use, or that it is ethical either to ignore the terms of
> license agreements or reinterpret their words to suit our convenience.
>
> This package is not "free" and, in my opinion, should be used only in ways
> consistent with its license ... and as I read the license, that does not
> include "occasional use". I do not want to get into an extended debate,
> but
> I do want to be clear that I am uncomfortable seeing recommendations on
> this
> list, or on any list I participate in, to disregard the terms of license
> agreements (except insofar as those terms themselves violate the law).
>
> It is worth noting that *portions* of the package are derived from Open
> Source programs and, hence, are covered by the GPL. The included version
> of
> "gzip" is one of them, but neither "cat", "split", nor "tar" are mentioned
> in that context.
>
> People wanting honestly free Windows versions of Unix utilities might want
> to start by getting the CygWin package that ports major portions of the
> Unix
> API to Windows environments, then gathering some of the packages that have
> been ported using the CygWin .dll . All of this material **is** covered by
> the GPL, hence legimitately usable for "free" by anyone. I didn't see
> either
> "cat" or "split" mentioned by name, but they may be parts of the
> "binutils",
> "fileutils", or "shellutils" packages. (If not, here's an opportunity for
> a
> programmer who supports Open Source to port these apps.) "tar" is
> mentioned
> specifically as included.
>
> Relevant URLs are:
>
> http://sourceware.cygnus.com/cygwin/
>
> ftp://ftp.sunsite.utk.edu/pub/cygwin/latest/
>
> http://www.hirmke.de/software/develop/gnuwin32/cygwin/porters/Hirmke_Micha
> el
> /GNUWin32-links.html
>
> At 09:56 AM 1/26/00 -0800, Baskette, John wrote:
> >Here is a possiblity for you:
> >
> > http://www.research.att.com/sw/tools/uwin/
> >
> >This is a version of the Korn shell written for windows (written by David
> >Korn who wrote the original). It supports most unix commands and
> utilities
> >including gzip, split and cat.
> >
> >It is not "free software," but you can download it and use it for free
> for
> >research, educational or evaluation purposes. I view my occasional use
> as
> >falling into those catagories.
> >
> >I used it recently to sneaker net some binaries I got off the net from a
> >windows box I use at work. I was able to tar and gzip the files, split
> them
> >using split, and write them to floppies. My Red Hat 6.1 distribution
> came
> >with the mtools package. I used the mtools command mcopy to read the
> files
> >off the floppies, then used cat to join the file pieces together.
> >
> >If you went this route, you would need to unzip the files and used gzip
> >instead.
> {prior message deleted]
>
> ------------------------------------"Never tell me the odds!"---
> Ray Olszewski -- Han Solo
> Palo Alto, CA [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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