Linux-Setup Digest #87, Volume #19 Wed, 5 Jul 00 18:13:11 EDT
Contents:
Re: I am a newbie and I need help. (Oystein Johnsen)
Re: Some simple questions from an old timer. (C.J.)
Warning: unable to open initial console (Roelof Knibbe)
Re: Removing Users--How? ("David ..")
Re: read-only filesystem (Dennis Lee)
NOTHING COMPILES ("Stephen")
Re: IPCHAINS sample script for 3 NICS (Tom Eastep)
Re: new to linux ("R N \(Bob\) Hall")
Re: How to install with no CD-ROM ("Scott Watson")
Re: HP 8100i CDRW not working.... (Duane)
I need some step-by-step instructions on mounting a FAT partition (Computadora)
Re: The Big Dogs and the Tech Shitzus. ("Jeffrey Gudmann")
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From: Oystein Johnsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: I am a newbie and I need help.
Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 20:20:04 GMT
On Tue, 04 Jul 2000 23:53:10 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Bit Twister) wrote:
> Mandrake 7.0 is based on Redhat, has more utilities a much
> better installer. 7.1 seems a little too buggy.
Is it possible to get the mouse wheel function without having to
download and compile/install the whole 7.1 package? I run 7.0 at the
moment...
/\/\/\/\ Oystein Johnsen, [EMAIL PROTECTED] \/\/\/\/
/\/\/\/\ http://www.oystein.johnsen.com \/\/\/\/
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (C.J.)
Subject: Re: Some simple questions from an old timer.
Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 19:41:15 GMT
My only advice is to not be hesitant to compile your kernel. It is
surprisingly easy, especially if you have a fairly intimate knowledge of what
hardware is actually installed in your system. (From the rest of your post, it
sounds like you do.) In fact, I'd recommend recompiling anyhow to remove some
bloat from your kernel.
Read ALL of the following before doing any of this.
**Before you make a new kernel:
cd /lib/modules
cp currentversion/ currentversion.bak/ -R (where currentversion is the name
of the current modules directory.)
**Basic steps to compile a new kernel:
cd /usr/src/linux
make menuconfig (if you don't have Xwindows running)
or
make xconfig (if you do have X running)
(Choose what to support/not support in the kernel. I personally include
devices that I use a lot and that aren't likely to change soon inthe kernel.
I choose module support for devices that I have and don't use a lot, or that I
don't have installed just now, but am likely to use later. Finally, I leave
out support for anything I don't think I'll use at all... if you're wrong, you
can always recompile.)
make dep
make bzImage
make modules
**Installing your kernel.
(NOTE! This is the way I install mine.. I know there is a way to do it from
inside linuxconf, but I have never taken time to learn how. I couldn't tell
you which way is best, so you may want to look over the docs.)
make modules_install
cp /usr/src/linux/arch/i386/boot/bzImage /boot/newkernl
edit /etc/lilo.conf
COPY/PASTE the section for your current kernel (which should look something
like this)
image = /boot/vmlinuz-2.2.14 (may have different version)
label = linux
root = /dev/hda1 (may be on different partition)
In the new copy, change the image= and the label= lines like this:
image = /boot/newkernl
label = new
save the changed lilo.conf
run /sbin/lilo
to update the lilo on your system
**Testing your new kernel
reboot
at the LILO prompt, type
new
and press enter
Hopefully, if everything went well, you should boot up and all your devices
should work. (You'll probably get some messages about failed dependancies
during boot.)
**Cleaning up (Again.. this is what I do.. and isn't necessarily the best
way.)
delete your modules directory (you have a backup from the first steps listed,
right?)
rm /lib/modules/2.2.14-20 -R -f (substitute the correct version/dir name)
cd /usr/src/linux
make modules_install
cd /boot
make a backup of your old kernel (hey, why not)
copy the new kernel over the existing one...
cp newkernl vmlinuz-2.2.12-20 (again, version is probably different)
edit /etc/lilo.conf again and remove the section you added for /boot/newkernl
run /sbin/lilo one last time to update LILO
reboot and make sure it all works
OK, so it doesn't sound all THAT easy after looking at these steps, but I
suspect you'll have little/no trouble, especially if someone out there can
give the steps for using linuxconf to update the kernel after you compile it.
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Keith G.
Robertson-Turner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>So, the questions :
>
>1) ... I've been rumaging around looking for support for
>OnStream DI30 ( ide ) tape drives. I know they're
>supported but I'm hoping I won't need to recompile the
>kernel to achive this. Please tell me RH6.2 already
>supports this drive, whats the mount point ?
>Oh and some decent backup software ?
>Yes I've been to onstream.com.
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From: Roelof Knibbe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Warning: unable to open initial console
Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 22:59:14 +0200
HELP!
The other day my system crashed, so I could'nt shutdown properly.
Linux has'nt come back since. I use RedHat 6.0, with LILO dual boot.
It used to work fine.
I've tried several LILO options like:
linux single
linux root=....
linux /bin/sh
These options all produce the same error. I do not get a kernel panic
error.
It says:
....
VMS: Mounted root (ext2 filesystem) readonly
Freeing unused kernel memory: 60 k freed
Warning: unable to open an initial console.
I can boot with a rescue image. The other suggestion I found was to use
mknod (forgot the rest of the command). This didn't work either, it
coud'nt
find dev/tty1. I can mount the root however (dev/hdb1) or perform
e2fsck.
Does anyone have a suggestion?
Thanx
Roelof
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From: "David .." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Removing Users--How?
Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 15:54:24 -0500
Lorne Beckman wrote:
>
> Several helpful people wrote:
>
> >Try userdel
>
> Command not found.
>
> >Try: "/usr/sbin/userdel username"
>
> Command not found.
>
> >That is userdel not Userdel.
>
> Yes.
>
> >If you still cannot find then try a
> >locate userdel | grep userdel$
>
> Nothing.(Churns for an hour, I interrupt the process.) Should I wait
> longer? It's a 486-30 w/24 MB.
>
> >Is it a kernel version? Which distribution do you use?
>
> Kernel, yes. Slackware 2.0.0. I think? Hmmm, maybe I should write them.
>
> Any other suggestions?
On my system userdel is in the "shadow-utils" package.
--
Registered with the Linux Counter. http://counter.li.org
ID # 123538
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From: Dennis Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: read-only filesystem
Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 17:03:51 -0400
Colin Watson wrote:
>
> Dennis Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >I'm trying to setup a slackware 7.0 system with the root filesystem
> >mounted as read-only. I have /var and /tmp mounted on ramdisk. I've
> >modified /etc/fstab with the 'ro' option on the root filesystem. But the
> >system always boots up 'rw'. Does anybody know what's wrong?
>
> Could you show us the exact line from /etc/fstab, please, just in case
> something's slightly wrong there?
The exact entry reads:
/dev/hda3 / ext2 defaults,ro 0 0
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From: "Stephen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: NOTHING COMPILES
Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 14:33:55 -0700
I have just setup a redhat 6.1 full install
whats funny is that I have another machine (different hardware) with the
exact same
redhat 6.1 full install which everything compiles fine on.
I have tried compiling four different things on my new install and all four
fail. on the other machine all four programs compile fine. This is a FRESH
install, nothing done inbetween the install and compiling... what is the
world could be causing this? could the cd be currupt but still install
without errors creating currupt gcc g++ files? I dunno... PLEASE HELP..
I have inculded the readouts of three of the four compiling errors.
I ran "./configure" before "make" when nessisary... can never make it to the
"make install"
the four programs that failed are
wvdial-1.41
freeciv-1.11.0
ssh-1.2.27
linux-2.4.0-test2 (didnt include since its not a stable version yet)
below are the read-outs from the compiling errors
************** ssh *******************
al/lib -lutil
gcc -pipe -c -I. -I./gmp-2.0.2-ssh-2 -I./zlib-1.0.4 -DHAVE_CONFIG_H
-DHOST_KEY_FILE=\"/etc/ssh_host_key\"
-DHOST_CONFIG_FILE=\"/etc/ssh_config\"
-DSERVER_CONFIG_FILE=\"/etc/sshd_config\"
-DSSH_PROGRAM=\"/usr/local/bin/ssh1\" -DETCDIR=\"/etc\"
-DPIDDIR=\"/var/run\" -DSSH_BINDIR=\"/usr/local/bin\"
-DTIS_MAP_FILE=\"/etc/sshd_tis.map\" -D_GNU_SOURCE -g -O2
-I/usr/X11R6/include ssh-keygen.c
rm -f ssh-keygen
gcc -pipe -o ssh-keygen ssh-keygen.o log-client.o readpass.o rsa.o
randoms.o md5.o buffer.o xmalloc.o authfile.o cipher.o des.o arcfour.o
mpaux.o bufaux.o userfile.o signals.o blowfish.o idea.o -Lgmp-2.0.2-ssh-2
-lgmp -lnsl -lbsd -lcrypt -L/usr/local/lib -lutil
collect2: ld terminated with signal 11 [Segmentation fault], core dumped
make: *** [ssh-keygen] Error 1
[root@dimension ssh-1.2.27]#
*************** wvdial **********************
--> Making all in /root/wvdial-1.41/wvdial...
g++ $_R_CXXFLAGS -c wvdialer.cc
g++ $_R_CXXFLAGS -c wvdialtext.cc
g++ $_R_CXXFLAGS -c wvmodemscan.cc
g++ $_R_CXXFLAGS -c wvpapchap.cc
g++ $_R_CXXFLAGS -c wvdialbrain.cc
rm -f wvdial.a
ar q wvdial.a wvdialbrain.o wvdialer.o wvdialtext.o wvmodemscan.o
wvpapchap.o
ranlib wvdial.a
g++ $_R_CXXFLAGS -c wvdial.cc
g++ -g -o wvdial wvdial.o wvdial.a ../configfile/configfile.a
../streams/streams.a ../utils/utils.a
g++ $_R_CXXFLAGS -c wvdialconf.cc
g++ -g -o wvdialconf wvdialconf.o wvdial.a ../configfile/configfile.a
../streams/streams.a ../utils/utils.a
collect2: ld terminated with signal 11 [Segmentation fault], core dumped
make[1]: *** [wvdialconf] Error 1
make: *** [subdirs] Error 2
[root@dimension wvdial-1.41]#
************ free civ *****************8
gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I.. -I./../common -I./../ai -I../intl -g
-O2 -Wall -c stdinhand.c
gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I.. -I./../common -I./../ai -I../intl -g
-O2 -Wall -c unitfunc.c
gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I.. -I./../common -I./../ai -I../intl -g
-O2 -Wall -c unithand.c
gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I.. -I./../common -I./../ai -I../intl -g
-O2 -Wall -c unittools.c
gcc -g -O2 -Wall -o civserver autoattack.o barbarian.o cityhand.o
citytools.o cityturn.o civserver.o console.o diplhand.o gamehand.o
gamelog.o gotohand.o handchat.o mapgen.o maphand.o meta.o plrhand.o
ruleset.o rulesout.o sernet.o settlers.o spacerace.o stdinhand.o
unitfunc.o unithand.o unittools.o ../common/libcivcommon.a
../ai/libcivai.a ../common/libcivcommon.a ../ai/libcivai.a
collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
make[2]: *** [civserver] Error 1
make[2]: Leaving directory `/root/freeciv-1.11.0/server'
make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory `/root/freeciv-1.11.0'
make: *** [all-recursive-am] Error 2
[root@dimension freeciv-1.11.0]#
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Tom Eastep)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.security,comp.security.firewalls
Subject: Re: IPCHAINS sample script for 3 NICS
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 14:16:20 -0700
Thierry wrote:
>Can someone point me to an ipchains firewall script that supports for 3 NICs
>(1 for Internet, 1 for LAN and 1 for DMZ) ?
>
If you are going to masquerade both the LAN and the DMZ then look at:
http://seawall.sourceforge.net
-Tom
--
Tom Eastep \ Eastep's First Principle of Computing:
ICQ #60745924 \ "Any sane computer will tell you how it
[EMAIL PROTECTED] \ works if you ask it the proper questions"
Shoreline, Washington USA \___________________________________________
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From: "R N \(Bob\) Hall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: new to linux
Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 21:38:00 GMT
Look up the hostname command.
Also might be on a menu for administration if your pc has a graphical
desktop running. Should be able to do it several ways. Best to look in
man pages.
--
Regards, Bob, - Alberta, Canada
...learning to compute...slowly...
Don't forget to vote: http://members.icann.org/
"sylvain hutchison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
| Hi, I've got a very simple question, but might be simple in practice,
I
| want to change the name of my computer, cuz the guy that installed
linux
| for me entered the wrong name, so the IT guy asked me to change the
name
| of my computer, how do I do that without re-installing linux all over
| again??
|
| Thanks,
| Sly.
|
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From: "Scott Watson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: How to install with no CD-ROM
Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 17:43:04 -0400
Some stats I forgot. Distribution is RH 6.2
How do I mount the cd drive of my linux machine with the box I am doing a
fresh install on. I don't have samba or apache installed.
thanks.
"Peter Seabrook" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Easiest is to do a network install...
>
> Rawrite the network boot disks..
> copy contents of the cd to your drive temporarily (or just mount the cd,
but
> that'll be slower)
> connect your machine to his.
> boot his machine from the network boot disks, then ftp install from your
> machine... that's it!
>
> "Stanislaw Flatto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Scott Watson wrote:
> > >
> > > Okay, now I have done it. I told my girlfriend's father that he
should
> > > install linux as his mailserver as it would run on a 486. Me and my
big
> > > mouth! He gave me the PC and it doesn't even have a CD 486 33. (I
have
> a
> > > used 5 1/4 if anyone is interested) anyway, this is what I was
thinking
> for
> > > a workaround.
> > >
> > > Use my pc and rawwrite the rootdisk and bootdisk image onto a floppy
> drive.
> > > From there I should at least be able to boot his old klunker. Now my
> > > problem is how do I access the cd rom on my other pc using my internal
> > > network. My question is how do I access my cdrom on either my linux
box
> or
> > > win 98 from his freshly booted pc.
> > >
> > > Clear as mud!
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Scott
>
>
>
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From: Duane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.questions,comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Re: HP 8100i CDRW not working....
Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 13:49:55 -0700
Steve Martin wrote:
>
> OSguy wrote:
>
> > You need to recompile your kernel to add scsi emulation support and SCSI
> > support for CD drives. Cdrecord will then treat your CD as a scsi CD
> > device. Without that emulation, cdrecord will never see it. Read the
> > notes on the kernel compile carefully because you may have to remove the
> > ATAPI/ide CD support to keep from interferring with the SCSI emulation.
>
> I agree. In fact, if you're using SCSI emulation, there's no need at all
> to keep the IDE CD driver. IDE peripherals such as a Zip or a CD-RW
> will both show up as SCSI devices and can be accessed as such (I'm
> doing that here with both).
Which is something I have wondered about. Is there any advantage to
using the ide-cd driver? Speed perhaps? Is there any such thing as an
old CD drive that is not ATAPI? I think it would sure make life a lot
easier for the average Linux user if distributions just used ide-scsi,
and left ide-cd to people that wanted to configure it themselves.
--
My real email is akamail.com@dclark (or something like that).
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Computadora)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.questions,comp.os.linux.redhat
Subject: I need some step-by-step instructions on mounting a FAT partition
Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 21:55:31 GMT
I'm brand new to linux, so I apologize for myself in advance. I just
installed Red Hat 6.2 onto my system. I have a 20 gig drive, 10 gigs
devoted to windows 98 and 10 gigs devoted to linux. The installation
went ok, but I cannot figure out how to read files that are in my
windows partition in linux. My ISP uses a PPPoE client for the DSL
connections. The linux PPPoE client software is too big for a floppy,
so I need to download it from Windows 98 and bring it into linux.
Again, I am very new, so I really need step-by-step instructions on
how to do this... i'm using the GNOME XWindows system. If someone can
point me to anything on the web that's for total beginners it would be
much appreciated.
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From: "Jeffrey Gudmann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux.turbolinux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: The Big Dogs and the Tech Shitzus.
Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 22:03:19 GMT
Thomas
I accept and agree with the points you raise.
In my youth (!!!) I enjoyed fixing and tuning my old bomb of a car so that
it would get
me to University for 4 years. Looking back I think it was a "good" thing
that I scraped my knuckles in this fashion, cos I learnt a great deal about
motor vehicles. But I swore back then that when I could afford it I would
buy a car that just "worked" and didn't need constant mothering to keep it
alive. By comparison, my son (21) wouldn't know the difference between a
distributor and a differential because nowadays we want something that just
works out of the box. In addition, if you opened the hood of a current model
vehicle then 1) you wouldn't know where to start because its all
"computerised" and b) if you altered anything you would probably bugger it
up. But you accept this because it just "works" - until something does go
wrong and then you're really up the proverbial creek without a paddle.
My point ?
Well I think it this
1) Distros that are buggy or just poorly configured really annoy
Linux familiar people.
2) Distros that are buggy or poorly configured will cause a person
who is wondering about Linux and gives it try a lot of grief and
they
will run away after a bad experience with their tails between their
legs
yelling " Linux - no way".
You see, skill and knowledge on how to configure/tune Linux is a great thing
but if you start off with a rough edged product then that's really annoying.
It's a bit of a Catch 22 really - the more knowledge you have about
something then the more you become aware of its failings and inadequacies.
Conversely, the slicker a product becomes (eg Windows) then the more
complacent you become either don't want to or can't fix problems when they
arise. I just hope that Linux can attain that nice "middle ground"
wherever that is, and that's the big question).
Regards
Jeff
Well,
Thomas Nelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Linux does have rough edges on it still and you make several valid points,
but I
> really don't understand why many people think computers should not need
skill
> and knowledge to operate. Tuning a car, sailing a ship, wiring a house,
all
> require skill and knowledge to perform properly. Why are computers and
OSes
> (Linux/Windows/BeOS/Unix, etc) in a different category? If you don't want
to
> know about the engine of your car, take it to a mechanic. If you just want
to do
> canned activties (OfficeSuite stuff), buy a pre-installed system (Windows,
> Linux, whatever) so you don't have to deal with partitioning, etc. In
short, if
> you're going to dig under the hood, your going to scrape you knuckles now
and
> then, but you can make it purrr. As I understand it, the whole point of
linux is
> control over your environment. That requires skill and knowledge.
>
> Thomas Nelson
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> Jeffrey Gudmann wrote:
>
> > Mike
> >
> > To use a quaint Australian expression - GUTZ EFFORT !!!
> >
> > Your comments and suggestions make a lotta sense IMHO.
> > Particularly like the idea about the TEST MODE.
> >
> > I have been frigging round with linux for about 2 years now
> > and can sorta "find my way round". I would hate to think what would
> > happen to some poor sod who was only use to Win98 and got a copy
> > of a linux distro on a computer magazine, installed it, mistakenly chose
> > during the set up to format hda5 (containing all his/her important data
> > or backups) cos it seemed like a good thing to do) and then opted
> > to install the boot loader (lilo or worse still grub) to the MBR. Later
> > after
> > playing around with Linux decided to scrub the linux partition and
wondered
> > what had happened to the Win98 boot-up.
> >
> > This sort of scenario would really give Linux a BAD NAME.
> >
> > Call me a pedantic a*&#hole, but I like things that work, and work
properly.
> > I have lost count on the number of Linux distros I've tried.
> > You try another coz the one you're using is missing a certain feature,
then
> > you find another that has it but is missing something else and the
vicious
> > circle
> > begins - trying to find that elusive perfect Linux Distro!!
> > Then you settle on a Distro that's acceptable and subsequently make the
> > fatal error - upgrading or getting hold of the next version !!!! And
you
> > find out that things have changed in the next version (like the boot
> > loader is grub and grub alone now) or the latest version has been
> > rushed out and is as buggy as hell.
> >
> > Don't get me wrong - I luuv Linux - but, if Linux is going to succeed in
> > popularity,
> > then I believe that the Distro producers should get their act together
and
> > address
> > amongst other things the points you raise in your commentary.
> >
> > Ah, it feels better now that I've got that off my chest.
> >
> > Anyway, enjoyed reading your discertation. When can we expect
WarnerLinux
> > !!!!
> >
> > Jeff
> >
> > PS Who is Tatanya - (in best Homer Simpson voice) hhmmmmmmmmmm Tatanya
> > Oops, sorry - hope she's not your wife/partner - with a comment
like
> > that !!!
> >
> > Mike Warner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > TurboShitzu is a mess. Have any of you installed a minumum software
set
> > > and then gone in and tried to do the REAL install using turbopkg? Have
> > > you noticed that
> > >
> > > 1. There is no way to select EVERYTHING? That you have to go down the
> > > entire f--king list, checking the packages one at a time? Have you
> > > noticed that turbopkg erupts with a segmentation violation wile trying
> > > to install one of the network packages? EVERY TIME IN THE SAME PLACE?
> > >
> > > At least Mandrake has an EVERYTHING option on *its* package installer.
> > > Guess I'm not the only one that things its a NO-BRAINER.
> > >
> > > 2. Have you noticed that if you select writing the boot loader to the
> > > root partition that you have NO SUBSEQUENT OPPORTUNITY TO CREATE A
BOOT
> > > FLOPPY? Boy, what a bunch of friggin geniuses.
> > >
> > > About the only good thing I can say about TurboShitzu is that it
doesn't
> > > hose down any other partitions. Try the "rain" release of Storm--the
one
> > > given away in the June issue of Linux Magazine ("Storm" is Sudanese
for
> > > "shitzu"--honest). Yea, notice how the place you end up writing the
boot
> > > loader is buried in a menu option rather than being out front where it
> > > should be. Notice how, even if you write the boot loader to the root
> > > partition, it hoses the MBR on C: anyway. Thank god that, compared
with
> > > *these* wankers, I *AM* a bloody genius, so I was able to get the MBR
> > > back without reinstalling NT. Thank god for *them* that is, because
I'm
> > > quite capable of making a special trip right to their office door
where
> > > I would show them that it is in the long-term interest of their
personal
> > > physical well being that they pull their little pin heads out of their
> > > pukey little asses. Now where was I?
> > >
> > > Now I will give you the short course on how a CORRECT installation
> > > architecture should proceed.
> > >
> > > To begin with,
> > >
> > > - the initial installation is NOT the place to be installing monster
> > > software packages. How many of you have loaded down the platter with a
> > > gig of software only to find out that you can't boot? The *initial*
> > > installation should be concerned with ONE THING ONLY: creating
> > > partitions, setting up recovery mechanisms, and installing a
bare-bones
> > > bootable system. THEN, when you find that everything is copasetic, and
> > > you've actually logged-in and are grinning from pie-hole to ass-hole,
> > > NOW start installing the platter-busting mega-system. Fawk. Do I have
to
> > > do everything myself? Apparently.
> > >
> > > - Furthermore, the installation should have a TEST MODE that allows
you
> > > to simply create partitions and do a pseudo-boot into the root where
you
> > > would sit and be able to do nothing but reboot. After finding that,
yes,
> > > Margaret, I can create partitions and boot into them using whatever
boot
> > > system I HAVE ALREADY SELECTED, then and only then would the
> > > installation continue. In essence, the Installation would not be
> > > SEQUENTIAL; it would be DIRECT-ACCESS and have enough intelligence to
> > > know what has to be done before what.
> > >
> > > - The installation should be able to restore the system to the state
it
> > > was in just before the moment of installation. GUARANTEED. Installing
a
> > > linux system should be COMPLETELY WITHOUT RISK. Period f--king end.
> > >
> > > -- If you can't give a WRITTEN GUARANTEE that your distro will NOT
> > > NEGATIVELY IMPACT the current state of your box, then get out of the
> > > game. You got no business in it. You're a piss-ant. You can't run with
> > > the Big Dogs. You're a Tech Shitzu. Get off my leg.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > > --
> > > http://www.bigfoot.com/~warnerm
>
>
>
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