Linux-Setup Digest #105, Volume #19               Fri, 7 Jul 00 14:13:11 EDT

Contents:
  Helix GNOME update kills pager! (Chris Stump)
  Re: MWave sucks we are... (Rod Smith)
  Redhat 6.2 on headless sparc (Patrick Morin)
  printer prob (sylvain hutchison)
  Determining driver for ethernet card (Bill Heafey)
  Partitioning hints for server ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
  Re: Sendmail / Fetchmail resources (Dave Skolnick)
  Networking with linux ("Thanhvu Nguyen")
  Re: Eth0 delaying intializtion ("Thanhvu Nguyen")
  Re: CHAP auth + Linux don't work (Clifford Kite)
  RH6.1 supports IBM ATA/100 hard disk? (Jimmy)
  Re: RH6.1 supports IBM ATA/100 hard disk? (Hal Burgiss)
  Re: OpenLinux2.4 + Lucent "linmodem" problem (Edward Lee)
  how to change shell by root (Bo Yan)
  Re: Can't install Win98 after I've installed Linux. Help. (Vincent Dang)
  Linux ALSA SOUND HELP ("^_^")
  Re: Newbie!! How to install RedHat 6.2?? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
  Re: is there a port to windows media player? (Jaime Davila)
  changed system hostname ("Adam Lang")
  sndconfig error (Bob Chapman)
  Re: Eth0 delaying intializtion (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Rasmus_B=F8g_Hansen?=)
  Re: changed system hostname ("Adam Lang")
  Re: Newbie!! How to install RedHat 6.2?? (sylvain hutchison)
  Re: fetchmail problems (Chiefy)
  Re: kudzu,pcmcia and sound (David Efflandt)

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From: Chris Stump <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Helix GNOME update kills pager!
Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 09:56:06 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Greetings,

I recently installed the helix distribution of GNOME on my Red Hat linux
6.2 machine.  Everything was fine until last night when I used the
update agent.  I used the program to download and install a few packages
for my system (I couldn't tell you which ones, I don't exactly remember)
and then all of a sudden, afterwards, my GNOME pager (a.k.a. desk guide)
no longer pages.  Basically, there is no longer a grid on the pager that
allows me to page through desktops.  There is just one desktop, and when
I check the properties box, I can't seem to find anything to correct
this problem.   I read the GNOME user's guide too, but I still can't
find anything that helps--the option to have one desktop showing in the
properties box isn't checked.  I don't get it, could you please help
me?  Any advice is much appreciated =)

Thank you for your time and in advance to all who reply.


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Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Rod Smith)
Subject: Re: MWave sucks we are...
Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 15:14:47 GMT

In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
        Holly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Forget it ! It's a heap of junk- IBM used a lot in their pc's here
> and so did Gateway, who if anyone had problems Gateway ripped them
> out. I had one (IBM) and put Slack 3.6 on,did'nt take long to 
> "remove" the said card.

The Mwave is actually a pretty elegant piece of hardware. It's
essentially a DSP-based computer. (Mwave is NOT the same as a typical
lobotomized software modem, which relies on the host CPU to do much of
the work of handling the connection.) The trouble is that IBM's never
released adequate documentation to write complete drivers for it under
Linux or most non-mainstream OSs.

-- 
Rod Smith, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.rodsbooks.com
Author of books on Linux networking & multi-OS configuration

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From: Patrick Morin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Redhat 6.2 on headless sparc
Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 15:17:38 GMT

Hi,

        just upgraded my old classic from NetBSD to redhat 6.2. I don't have a
monitor or a keyboard on it, so I'm using and old Wyse terminal
(emulating a vt100) on it. Redhat was an easy install, but now I notice
that I can't send control-c, control-z or even a BREAK from the console.
This used to work on NetBSD. Is there anything I can do to get this
behavior back? Having to use the ON/OFF switch to stop a ping on the
console sucks! 


BREAK still works until SILO start. 


Patrick
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From: sylvain hutchison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: printer prob
Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 11:28:16 -0700

Hi there, I just got connected to the network printer this morning,
unfortunately I can only print the header page and nothig else, and
that's kind of a blow!!!!

Can someone tell me what did I do wrong, thanks, this is what I have in
my printcap:

# /etc/printcap
#
# Please don't edit this file directly unless you know what you are
doing!
# Be warned that the control-panel printtool requires a very strict
format!
# Look at the printcap(5) man page for more info.
#
# This file can be edited with the printtool in the control-panel.

##PRINTTOOL3## NCP
lp:\
        :sd=/var/spool/lpd/lp:\
        :mx#0:\
        :sh:\
        :af=/var/spool/lpd/lp/acct:\
        :lp=/dev/null:\
        :if=/usr/lib/rhs/rhs-printfilters//ncpprint:

hp4mv1:\
        :lp=:\
        :rm=jdo-server:\
        :rp=hp4mv1:\
        :mx#0:\
        :sd=/var/spool/lpd/hp4mv1:

# remote queue: hp4mv
# remote server: jdo-server






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From: Bill Heafey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Determining driver for ethernet card
Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 15:18:21 GMT

Hello,

I am new to Linux and FreeBSD.  I was wondering if someone could tell me
how to obtain the name of the driver for the ethernet card on a running
system ?

Thanks,

Bill


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Partitioning hints for server
Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 15:23:03 GMT

Hi all,
      I'm setting up a whole bunch of webservers using linux, and am
trying to get some advice on the best parition sizes for the job.  It'll
be a bunch of 1U rackservers running RedHat 6.2, Xfree, and the big
primary app will be Apache Stronghold.  We'll also be tossing on
OpenSSH, and the following addons from the custom install
Xwindows
          KDE
          Mail/WWW/News Tools
          Networked Workstation
          emacs
          Development
          Utilities

The boxes have about 20 gigs of hd on them, and we're looking to set up
separate partitions for /tmp, /var, /usr, /usr/local, and /home, as well
as lots of swap (we're looking at 256 Mb of RAM, but with all the SSL
traffic I've been thinking along the lines of 1024Mb of swap).  Please
let me know if you have any ideas on how to pull this off, and thanks in
advance for any help you might have to offer.

L.


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Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 11:31:54 -0400
From: Dave Skolnick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Sendmail / Fetchmail resources

I don't believe Sendmail can run POP3. POP3 should qualify as a mail delivery
agent. I suggest you use qpopper (free from Qualcomm at www.qualcomm.com).
Fetchmail can go to your ISP POP server (which is what I expect you are doing)
and pass incoming mail to Sendmail. Sendmail can send incoming to qpopper (set
up qpopper as a MDA in the config file). Outgoing goes to Sendmail and then to
your ISP SMTP relay.

Fetchmail and qpopper both have pretty good documentation.

Good luck.

dv

"Adam H." wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Can anyone please point me to a good beginners guide on setting up Sendmail
> as a POP3 server/service and a guide on using fetchmail?
>
> Thanks & Regards
>
> Adam


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From: "Thanhvu Nguyen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Networking with linux
Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 11:34:45 -0400

I have 2 computers running redhat 6.2... one 486 - 33 mhz and another is 200
mhz.  I am about to network them together so I could share files and
printer.

I need to buy 2 ISA 10 mbs NICs.  Is there any information regarding about
the imcompatiblity between linux and nics ?   should I buy some specific
brand in order for it to fully functio under linux ?



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From: "Thanhvu Nguyen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Eth0 delaying intializtion
Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 11:37:46 -0400

Hello,

I am new to networking and about to set up one.  How do you know which Irq
the Nic is set up to ?


Thanks,

tvn



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From: Clifford Kite <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.protocols.ppp
Subject: Re: CHAP auth + Linux don't work
Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 09:58:14 -0500

linman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I have a problem with PPP 2.3.11 and REDHAT 6.2. My ISP use CHAP
> authentication.

The log says otherwise:

> Connect: ppp0 <--> /dev/modem
> sent [LCP ConfReq id=0x1 <asyncmap 0x0> <magic 0xd1f06c30> <pcomp>
> <accomp>]
> rcvd [LCP ConfRej id=0x1 <pcomp> <accomp>]
> sent [LCP ConfReq id=0x2 <asyncmap 0x0> <magic 0xd1f06c30>]
> rcvd [LCP ConfAck id=0x2 <asyncmap 0x0> <magic 0xd1f06c30>]
> rcvd [LCP ConfReq id=0x8 <auth pap> <magic 0xba2f0f8e> <asyncmap 0x0>]
> sent [LCP ConfNak id=0x8 <auth chap MD5>]
> rcvd [LCP ConfReq id=0x9 <auth pap> <magic 0xba2f0f8e> <asyncmap 0x0>]
> sent [LCP ConfNak id=0x9 <auth chap MD5>]
> rcvd [LCP ConfReq id=0xa <auth pap> <magic 0xba2f0f8e> <asyncmap 0x0>]

Ect.

The other side isn't configured to authenticate you with CHAP but will
authenticate you with PAP.  It gets to choose so you'll have to configure
pppd to agree to PAP.

-- 
Clifford Kite <kite@inet%port.com>                  Not a guru. (tm)
/* Need to post debug logs under a MS OS?  Change the *nix EOL to
   MSDOS EOL with "sed s/\$/^M/g logfile > foo", where ^M is a CR
   created with control-v control-m.  Copy foo to a DOS formatted
   floppy, read it under MS. */

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From: Jimmy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RH6.1 supports IBM ATA/100 hard disk?
Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 23:59:56 -0700

Hello all,

     I want to buy IBM hard disk, DTLA307030 Deskstar 75GXP (ATA/100,
7200rpm, 2MB, 30G, IDE interface). I don't know whether RH 6.1 supports
this hard disk or not. Where can I find the information about the hard
disk support list for RH6.1? Or RH6.1 support IBM ATA/100 hard disk?

Thanks,
Jimmy


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Hal Burgiss)
Subject: Re: RH6.1 supports IBM ATA/100 hard disk?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 16:02:49 GMT

On Fri, 07 Jul 2000 23:59:56 -0700, Jimmy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>     I want to buy IBM hard disk, DTLA307030 Deskstar 75GXP (ATA/100,
>7200rpm, 2MB, 30G, IDE interface). I don't know whether RH 6.1 supports
>this hard disk or not. Where can I find the information about the hard
>disk support list for RH6.1? Or RH6.1 support IBM ATA/100 hard disk?

Out of the box RH6.x only supports ATA/33. There is a kernel patch that
does indeed support 100! At www.linux-ide.org. BTW, ATA/100 was not
available until after the release of RH6.2. I doubt any distros have
this (yet).

-- 
Hal B
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Edward Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: OpenLinux2.4 + Lucent "linmodem" problem
Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 09:07:40 -0700

D G wrote:

> Won't work unless you symlink ttyS0 to ttyS14.  The ltmodem install
> should have set up /dev/ttyS14 for you and symlinked /dev/modem to it.
> If not, do it.
>
> > I do recall reading that the Lucent drivers may reference an older
> > version of the kernal. If so, is there a way to recompile the
> > drivers/kernal to make them compatible?
>
> Not that I know of.  However, I recently tested the ltmodem568 driver
> against 2.2.12-2.2.16.  It only worked on 2.2.12 and 2.2.13.  Hopefully
> they come out with a new driver for the newer kernels.

Released kernel 2.2.15 and 2.2.16 got different data structures.  If you
really need to use the modem, try the kernel backports at
http://linnix.com.  lin2216.486 uses old drivers for binary compatibility.
  In any commerical software release, the QA department probably won't
allow these changes in a maintainance release.  Fortunately or
unfortunately, Linux is not a commerical product.


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From: Bo Yan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: how to change shell by root
Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 12:16:44 -0400

Where is the place "root" set up the shell for every user in Linux
Redhat? Thank you

Long


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From: Vincent Dang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Can't install Win98 after I've installed Linux. Help.
Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 10:54:33 -0600

I should have went with Eric's suggestion of yanking the Linux drive and
just install Win98 onto the ONE remaining drive (it seemed the safest
bet), but Hey! Inquiring minds want to know : )  And I'm a newbie so I
wanna learn.  Anyways, I did this:
        1. created a boot disk
        2. changed my /etc/fstab file to reflect my drive swap
        3. physically swapped drives (forgot to reset the Master/Slave jumper
switches and sat and scratched my head for a while : )
        4. rebooted from floppy
        5. boot: linux root=/dev/hdd1
        6. Warning: unable to open an initail console.  Kernal Panic: no init
found, try passing init= option to kernal.

What init parameters are available?  Is the init option also another
pointer to yet another file (besides the root param and the /etc/fstab)?
Now I can't get back into /etc/fstabs to actually edit it back to the
way it was.  I guess I can always install Linux onto my new drive so I
can edit the old drive and then re-install Win98 on the new drive : )

Anyways, if you have any suggestions, let me know, otherwise I'll just
do a clean slate.
Vinnie.

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From: "^_^" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Linux ALSA SOUND HELP
Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 00:57:44 +0800


Dear all

I had a compiling issue for Linux ALSA SOUND driver 0.5.8a with
my i810 system under RedHat 6.2.

I must compile the intel8x0 module in other computer system like VIA 693a.

How can I copy (or build) the compiled module that had compiled in other
computer system
into my i810 system???

Thanks

Yuasa 07/08/2000



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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Newbie!! How to install RedHat 6.2??
Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 16:54:57 GMT

I have a PCI Voodoo3 3000 and have some problems getting the resolution
up high enough. it seems to do 800x600 fine, but higher than that and
you get a "virtual screen" wrapping situation with an absolute size of
800x600, instead of full 1024x768. also, I can't get the color depth
past 8 bit - there are 3 entries in my X11 file for SVGA, but if you
change or remove the depth=8 one, x windows doesn't start.

I'm using redhat 6.2 and KDE, x windows version 3.3.6-20. is there a
better x server and specific files for the voodoo3 that you know of?
thanks...


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From: Jaime Davila <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: 
comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.x
Subject: Re: is there a port to windows media player?
Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 17:02:10 GMT

Lew Pitcher wrote:

> 
> Short answer: No, there is no port of "Windows Media Player".
> Microsoft has not (and probably will not) port this commercial product
> to the Linux environment.
> 
> However, there are Linux packages that provide similar or identical
> functionality. You have been referred to some of them.
> 
> 

??
That part of the thread I must have missed. By identical functionality,
do you mean "can handle streaming audio?" Certainly xmms can do it with
mp3, and real can do it with .ram's. But, do you mean 'can handle .asp
files? THAT would be news! :-)




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Jaime J. Davila
Assistant Professor of Computer Science
School of Cognitive Science
Hampshire College
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://helios.hampshire.edu/jdavila
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From: "Adam Lang" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: changed system hostname
Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 17:05:09 GMT

My system was configured as localhost.localdomain.  I had sendmail, apache,
etc. setup with the system as that setting.

I changed the system to bush.mydomain.com

I rebooted and three services stalled for awhile, system logger, sendmail,
and httpd.

I fixed httpd by changing httpd.conf HostServerName value to
bush.mydomain.com . The webserver is running again.

Does anyone know what I need to modify for sendmail?
Also, telnet no longer works.  What other modifications do I need to make so
the system isn't cting all goofy?

--

Adam Lang
Systems Engineer
Rutgers Casualty Insurance Company



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From: Bob Chapman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: sndconfig error
Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 10:12:29 -0700

Hi,
I just bought Redhat 6.2 (I am a newbe) and did a clean install and all
my hardware is supported by the operating system. But during automatic
and manual sound configuration I get a message that says, "The following
error occurred running the ISAPNP program: /etc/isapnp.conf: 203--Fatal
-IO range check attempted while device activated." This error shows up
during the sound test and therefore, I am
unable to configure the Yamaha OPL3-SAx sound card.  Any suggestions
would help.
Thanks
 Bob


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From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Rasmus_B=F8g_Hansen?= <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Eth0 delaying intializtion
Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 19:27:03 +0200

On Fri, 7 Jul 2000, Thanhvu Nguyen wrote:

> I am new to networking and about to set up one.  How do you know which Irq
> the Nic is set up to ?

That depends a great lot on the NIC. Some (especially newer PCI
cards) autodetects or even autoconfigures. If it is PCI, your BIOS will
probably list it on boot, but is you ask, I guess it isn't.

If it is an ISA card (like NE2000), you will have to find out in another
way - like running some vendor-provided DOS-utility. If you are using
Windows besides linux, you will probably be able to find the IRQ (and IO
adress if applicable) there.

Rasmus B�g Hansen

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everything looks like a nail


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From: "Adam Lang" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: changed system hostname
Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 17:28:44 GMT

Nevermind.  Linuxconf screwed with my nameserver settings.  After I fixed
it, everything went back to normal.

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Adam Lang
Systems Engineer
Rutgers Casualty Insurance Company
"Adam Lang" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:95o95.37853$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> My system was configured as localhost.localdomain.  I had sendmail,
apache,
> etc. setup with the system as that setting.
>
> I changed the system to bush.mydomain.com
>
> I rebooted and three services stalled for awhile, system logger, sendmail,
> and httpd.
>
> I fixed httpd by changing httpd.conf HostServerName value to
> bush.mydomain.com . The webserver is running again.
>
> Does anyone know what I need to modify for sendmail?
> Also, telnet no longer works.  What other modifications do I need to make
so
> the system isn't cting all goofy?
>
> --
>
> Adam Lang
> Systems Engineer
> Rutgers Casualty Insurance Company
>
>
>



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From: sylvain hutchison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Newbie!! How to install RedHat 6.2??
Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 13:31:37 -0700

Look in usr/X11R6/lib/X11/XF86Config, you should be able to change your
configurations, for your screen resolution it's under the screen section,
and you probably only depth 8, you should have 16 and 24 as well. To set
your X-windows to have a 1024x768 resolution, you must make your first
"mode", because you might have the resolution you want along the line, but
your XW will boot up with the first resolution it sees.
Try hope that works.
Sly.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> I have a PCI Voodoo3 3000 and have some problems getting the resolution
> up high enough. it seems to do 800x600 fine, but higher than that and
> you get a "virtual screen" wrapping situation with an absolute size of
> 800x600, instead of full 1024x768. also, I can't get the color depth
> past 8 bit - there are 3 entries in my X11 file for SVGA, but if you
> change or remove the depth=8 one, x windows doesn't start.
>
> I'm using redhat 6.2 and KDE, x windows version 3.3.6-20. is there a
> better x server and specific files for the voodoo3 that you know of?
> thanks...
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chiefy)
Subject: Re: fetchmail problems
Date: 7 Jul 2000 17:53:03 GMT

On Thu, 6 Jul 2000 23:24:28 +0200, 
Alex Fitterling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> did write and say:
>Hello,
>I have Problems using fetchmail...
># Configuration
>set postmaster "alex"
>set bouncemail
>set properties ""
>poll public.uni-hamburg.de with proto POP3
>       user "xxxxx" there with password "xxxxx" is .... 
>... alex root khayam here warnings 3600
>    antispam 571 550 501 554

I had a look at my .fetchmailrc. and yours is similar except that my 
local delivery addresses are fully stated ie,
   is [EMAIL PROTECTED] here etc.....

Not sure if it wil help.

LGB

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David Efflandt)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.portable,comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: kudzu,pcmcia and sound
Date: 7 Jul 2000 17:54:42 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

On Fri, 7 Jul 2000, Darren Christie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I have Redhat 6.1 installed on a Toshiba Tecra 8100, however when
>booting kudzu has decided not to detect new hardware. After doing some
>digging around I found that hwconf was corrupted. So I copied this from
>an identical configured system. Rebooted and still the same results. So
>I am lost at what to do next to resolve this, so any suggestions would
>be greatly received.

What kind of hardware are you adding inside of a laptop?  Kudzu is not
going to pay any attention to pcmcia.  I doubt if it would pay attention
to USB, but I don't have any USB devices.  Normal drives are automatically
recognized by the kernel when you boot, but I don't know about hot
swappable drives.

>The other problem I have is configuring sound on the above laptop,
>I managed to get sound to work using alsa 0.5.8, and promptly on
>rebooting to test, pcmcia wouldn't start up, but I had sound.
>Now for some reason pcmcia is back, but now sound won't work!  I get
>that the device is busy. I thought it might be a conflict between pcmcia
>and the sound hardware (ymfpci) but I can use both together no problem
>under Windoze98. So please could you help on this as well?

You might want to get alsa 0.5.8b or latest version because ymfpci has
been updated since the initial 0.5.8 came out.  The only problem I had
with 0.5.8b is that playmidi does not work, but I do not know if I need
some sort of alias in /etc/conf.modules to tell it to use opl3 for that.

Also if you have not updated pcmcia-cs from the version that come with
your Linux, you may want to.  The versions that came with RH 6.1 and
Mandrake 7.0 would not properly set a modem irq.

I did notice that when I had my laptop (Sony F450) set up with the Alsa
driver, that pcmcia would only double beep for cards that were in during
boot.  If I added or ejected a card after that, there was no beep, but the
card still worked.

Everything works fine (and somewhat simpler) with the opensound.com
drivers (with Yamaha YMF option) that I got before Alsa had ymfpci.

>If you could copy answers to my e-mail, as the work newsgroup feed only
>picks up once a day.
>
>Thanks
>
>Darren

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