Linux-Setup Digest #258, Volume #19 Thu, 27 Jul 00 19:13:13 EDT
Contents:
Re: LILO installation problem ("K-A Feucht")
And test3Dfx failed (Gilles Hamel)
Re: Math Coprocessor problem - Linux won't boot (Xzera)
Red Hat can't find NICs ("Roy Troxel")
Re: Gnome or KDE (Doc Shipley)
Re: And test3Dfx failed (Stephen Anthony)
Re: Gnome or KDE (2:1)
Re: W2K NTFS resized to install Linux
Re: e2fsck problem (Dances With Crows)
Re: A question about gateway setting. (Juha Laiho)
Linux and Netgear RT311--????? (Julian Cook/Sherab Gyatso)
libglide2x.so ("Servicios de proyectos")
Re: How to remove LILO (Chiefy)
ATI ("Chakib Belmekki")
Re: Gnome or KDE (Doc Shipley)
reinstalling LILO---doesn't work over Win2K??? ("Colin Reinhardt")
Re: fixing MBR to see linux again (post Win2K install...) (Zebee Johnstone)
Re: Math Coprocessor problem - Linux won't boot (B'ichela)
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From: "K-A Feucht" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: LILO installation problem
Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 08:35:51 +0200
if your hdd is > 8 GB:
create a small partition for "boot" below 1024 Cylinders.
lilo may not be able to boot from behind 1024, if the kernel is there
karl-anton
"Jared M Minch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> I recently had a HD crash, and I've been trying to get my computer working
> again. Fortunately, I had a (minimal, but functional) linux installation
> on my second hard drive, however, I need to lilo installed so I can use it
> to boot.
>
> However, I've been having trouble getting the thing to work. First, it
> was claiming that it was making the changes, but wasn't actually
> installing, and now it keeps bombing out with 'read /dev/hda: no such file
> or directory'. (The /dev/hda is from the boot= line in lilo.conf.) (As a
> side note, I'm not sure what prompted the change in behaviors. I can't
> seem to get it to do anything now.) Does anyone have any ideas as to what
> the problem is? I suspect that some of the files it expects may be messed
> up -- I've never installed lilo from this partition -- but I don't really
> know.
>
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From: Gilles Hamel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: 3dfx.glide.linux,comp.os.linux.x,alt.os.linux.suse
Subject: And test3Dfx failed
Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 23:04:11 +0200
When i test my glide config with /usr/bin/test3Dfx, i have the message "
video memory unprotecting " then a seg fault !
my glide package is glide_v3-2.60-49 ( glide v 2.60.00.0415) and my
Xfree SVGA Server is 3.3.6.
Where is the problem ?
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From: Xzera <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Math Coprocessor problem - Linux won't boot
Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 16:14:25 -0500
On Thu, 27 Jul 2000 01:20:18 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (B'ichela) wrote:
>On Wed, 26 Jul 2000 19:17:23 -0500, Xzera <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>Help!
>>Linux won't boot anymore - I don't get it.
>>it hangs up on the math coprocessor part -
>>"Checking 386/387 coupling :<3> failed
>>trying to reset .. failed
>>trying to reset.. failed
>>trying to reset failed
>>
>>and on and on. If I give it the boot command : linux no387 it will go along just
>fine - except that all new kernels need a math coprocessor so it will hang up a
>little later.
>>What I've got is a PIII 500mhz - with Gigabyte GA-6VX MoBo. (VIA chipset - 5 PCI
>slots - onboard stuff disabled) I installed linux on it and it worked fine - then I
>went to add cards to make it usable, ie network, sound, SCSI, and now it's doing
>this! Help!
>>If I can't use a network card, etc. I might as well use Win98, which, by the way,
>boots up and runs just fine on it, cards and all.
>>
>>Anybody got any ideas???
> First of all try taking out each card one at a time. try
>booting linux to see if it still hangs. if so put the card you took
>out back in and do the same with the next card. When you find the
>card that cases your math-Coprocessor section to go blooey then you
>can either.
> 1. get another card
> 2. if you REALLY need it. use no-387 mode
>
> If however after you tried this and NO card removal returns
>your CPU's mathco. then MAYBE your cpu has had a stroke! (heat or just
>bad chip). Solution is to replace the CPU.
Ok, I tried the card removal thing, no go. I tried the no387 mode, but it hangs later
because all the precompiled kernals need a math coprocessor.
I thought about the possibility the CPU had a stroke, but if so, why does Windows
still run great?
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From: "Roy Troxel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Red Hat can't find NICs
Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 21:14:46 GMT
I removed two NICs and a hard drive from a pentium PC. The PC was being used
as a firewall, but I removed the NICs because they were behaving erratically
on that PC. The NICs worked OK on an NT machine I have, so I concluded that
the problem was with the PC.
Then, I installed the hard drive and the NICs in an HP 5/75 PC. The PC
booted up OK, except when it reached the NICs. At this point, I received the
message: "Delaying eth0 initialization..[FAILED]". I got the same message
for the 2nd NIC, eth1.
When I attempt to ping either the internet or my intranet, I get the
message:"Network is unreachable."
I've changed nothing in linuxconf, so does anyone have any other
suggestions?
Thanks,
Roy
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From: Doc Shipley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.x,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: Gnome or KDE
Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 21:36:49 GMT
Pig wrote:
>
> Hi All:
>
> I am a newbie of Linux and using the SUSE linux 6.3.
> I've tried different GUIs.
> I think the Gnome and KDE are the best.
> So, which one is better? Pls. suggest.
If you haven't tried the other environments, you should. IceWM, XFCE, Blackbox, and
WindowMaker
without KDE are all good choices. All have text-file-based menus, so they're easy to
trim and
customise. Ice, XFCE and Blackbox are much smaller and faster than KDE or Gnome. All
will run KDE-
or Gnome-based apps if you have the libraries installed.
Ice is my choice, for ease of hot-key configuration (I'm too lazy to reach for the
mouse), speed
and simplicity. Unfortunately, it looks a lot like Windows.
XFCE is also small & fast, has sound effects out-of-the-box, and is very easy to
customise.
Blackbox takes a little more skill to customize, but is the best choice if you don't
have much
memory, or a slow CPU.
WindowMaker is the prettiest & most polished.
They're all attractive, and they all have their points. As has been suggested, set up
a bunch of
user accounts, and give each a different windowmanager/environment. See which YOU like
best.
--
Doc Shipley
Network Stuff
Austin, Earth
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Stephen Anthony)
Crossposted-To: 3dfx.glide.linux,comp.os.linux.x,alt.os.linux.suse
Subject: Re: And test3Dfx failed
Date: 27 Jul 2000 21:42:57 GMT
Gilles Hamel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>When i test my glide config with /usr/bin/test3Dfx, i have the message "
>video memory unprotecting " then a seg fault !
>my glide package is glide_v3-2.60-49 ( glide v 2.60.00.0415) and my
>Xfree SVGA Server is 3.3.6.
>Where is the problem ?
What kernel version are you using? It seems (at least for me) that all
kernels after 2.4.0-test1 do not work with the /dev/3dfx module.
Steve
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From: 2:1 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To:
alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.x,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: Gnome or KDE
Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 22:58:28 +0100
I'm still a bit comfused about this one, but I thought that KDE and
GNOME were a set of libraries providing nice functions. They often run
with the ??? and Enlightenment wm respectively, although this is not
necessary. So can't you just install both sets of libs, choose a wm and
play with whatever apps you want, be they KDE or GNOME apps?
HTH
-Ed
Pig wrote:
> Hi All:
>
> I am a newbie of Linux and using the SUSE linux 6.3.
> I've tried different GUIs.
> I think the Gnome and KDE are the best.
> So, which one is better? Pls. suggest.
--
Did you know that the oldest known rock is the famous Hackenthorpe rock,
which
is over three trillion years old?
-The Hackenthorpe Book of Lies
remove foo and revers e-mail address to make it any use
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc,alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: W2K NTFS resized to install Linux
Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 17:58:45 -0400
Lilo doesn't care what is in the partition it's told to boot.
so NTFS ( ver 4,5,6....) or any other fs, it's fine.
Preferably, find a tool that can free some space for the installation.
And do not put everything into a single partition.
If the latest version of Partition magic can't do it , I don't know.
Before you mess with it, please review information on Primary partitions,
Extended partitions, Master Boot Record, Partition Type ID's etc.
Also, a good understanding of the boot process would be usefull when you get
stuck, or in general when w2k goes nuts and refuses to boot . For example ,
Why does the message "NO ROM BASIC" pop up ? :)
Also note that ntfs support is not unheard of for linux, but it is shaky at
best.
Best is to use a fat32 partition to exchange data. linux reads fat32's as
vfat and has no problem with long file names.
I suggest you put /boot into the first area of the hdd, within the 1024
cylinder boundary, and put lilo in the /boot partition ( it has to be
primary , and bootable ).
Make sure that the bios's notion of the hdd values and linux's notion of
them are the same. If different, you can
a) make bios compliant with linux's report
b) tell LILO on boot the hdd values, and leave the bios alone.
(b) may be easier as it won't disturb w2k .
Just wondering : On the 30 GB partition , how big are the clusters ?
regards,
joseph
Sandhitsu R Das <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> I have W2K with NTFS on a single 30 gig hard drive. What's the best way to
> go about resizing/partitioning and installing Mandrake 7.1. I heard that
> DiskDrake can't resize NTFS. Also, is there a problem with LILO dual
> booting with this configuration ? Do I need to have FAT for W2K ?
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dances With Crows)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.misc,linux.redhat.misc
Subject: Re: e2fsck problem
Date: 27 Jul 2000 21:59:43 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Thu, 27 Jul 2000 23:09:32 +0200, Marco Baiocco wrote:
> It has always run fine till now, and it still does, but
>today I have noticed a small warning during the boot messages.
>It says something like the checking time has arrived, and that it
>should be wise to run e2fsck on the linux partitions. It has nothing
>to do with the maximal mount count, though, because it was written
>before, during and after the "forced check" due to the mount count.
>But then the warning still popped out. What should I do to convince
>linux I'm a good guy and I regularly check my filesystems, and that I
>just checked them?
This is a bit odd, since an fsck should set the "time since last check"
field appropriately. Anyway, you can disable the message by entering
"tune2fs -i 0 /dev/hdXY" when that particular partition is mounted
read-only. Have a look at the man page for tune2fs as well....
--
Matt G|There is no Darkness in Eternity/But only Light too dim for us to see
Brainbench MVP for Linux Admin / Tyranny is always better organized
http://www.brainbench.com / than freedom.
=============================/ ==Charles Peguy
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From: Juha Laiho <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: A question about gateway setting.
Date: 27 Jul 2000 21:58:33 +0300
Paul <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>My machine (a linux box) is located inside a campus LAN which use
>DHCP for configuration. And the IP address I get is a valid
>IP address on Internet (Not IP addresses for internal use).
>However, I still have to set the proxy setting in netscape in
>order to browse the internet. And I am not able to telnet
>from the console. When I use "ping www.yahoo.com" on the console,
>it just says ping: unknown host www.yahoo.com.
This looks like you're not getting DNS service. DNS is a service
that resolves names (like www.yahoo.com) to their respective
numeric TCP/IP addresses, and the numeric addresses are then used
to make the actual connection.
>I am new to network. But since I have a valid IP address and
>the right gateway setting, it should be able to connect to
>the internet directly. And this shouldn't happen. Am I right?
Even "real" IP addresses can be (and often are) fortified behind
firewalls. Also, it is common to deny direct HTTP connections
to enforce the use of HTTP proxy/cache servers (in an attempt
to reduce bandwidth consumption).
--
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From: Julian Cook/Sherab Gyatso <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.networks,comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.questions,comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Linux and Netgear RT311--?????
Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 22:20:50 GMT
Hello folks!
I have a network I am trying to set up and I have wasted SO many hours
and no results.
One machine is Windows 98
The other is a Linux box running Slackware 7
Both machines are hooked into a Linksys 5 port workgroup hub
The Router is a Netgear RT311
This router has been great after some initial difficulty setting it up.
The Win machine
works great through it. My problem is setting up Linux and getting Linux
to see the
router..
The IP of the Router is 192.168.0.1
The Linux box uses a 3Com 509B NIC. The machine recognizes the card ok.
(Other info, it's a
Pentium 75)
When I type 'netconfig'
I put in these values .. hostname --> milarepa
Domain name --> this is a complete mystery to me. It's a private
network. What domain name? (I typed 'localnetwork' just for something to
put in)
The when given the options of Static IP, DHCP and loopback I selected
DHCP
Then I get the notification that "Your networking software has now been
configured"
Now on bootup after this (during startup), I get...
"Attempting to configure eth0 by contacting a DHCP server"
The corresponding hub light goes on during this period, the machine
hangs for about
30seconds and then the light goes out and I get
"Activating IPv4 packet forwarding"
After logging in, I type in "ifconfig" and the only thing that shows up
are the "lo" settings.
Needless to say pinging the router's IP at 192.168.0.1 gets me nothing.
except
ping : sendto: Network is unreachable
ping: wrote 192.168.0.1 64 chars, ret = -1
over and over......
When I type in "route" I get (hyphens added to keep thinsg lined up)
Destination--------Gateway---Genmask-------Flags---Metric---Ref--Use----Iface
loopback------------- *
----255.0.0.0--------U-------0-------0----0-------lo
Now when I type "netconfig"
I put in these values.. hostname --> milarepa
Domain name ---> again "localnetwork"
Then I choose Static IP instead of DHCP
Those values are.....
local machine IP ---> 192.168.0.4 (Win 98 machine is 192.168.0.2)
netmask ----> 255.255.255.0 (same as the Win 98 machine settings)
Gateway address ---- > 192.168.0.1 (same as Win 98 machine settings)
Will you be accessing a nameserver? ---> Yes
Enter name server for domain ---- > 24.11.248.17 (same as Win 98
machine settings, points to @home)
Next there is the option presented of "Probe for Network Card"
I select "Probe" and it successfully detects the 3c509 card
Then I get "Your networking software has now been configured"
Now when I boot the box I get (during startup) .....
Configuring eth0 as 192.168.0.4
eth0: Setting Rx mode to 1 addresses
"Activating IPv4 packet forwarding"
All this time the corresponding hub light on the box is on and stays on.
I log in, I type "ifconfig" and get both eth0 and lo settings
Typing "route", I get this .. (hyphens added to keep thinsg lined up)
Destination----Gateway-----Genmask------Flags----Metric--Ref---Use---Iface
localnet-------- *
======255.255.255.0===U========0=======0=====0=====eth0
loopback-------- *
=======255.0.0.0======U========0=======0=====0======lo
default------192.168.0.1---0.0.0.0-------UG-------1-------0-----0-----eth0
Now when I type "ping 192.168.0.1" to ping the router, nothing happens
I get a hang and 100% packet loss
When I look at the Hub, light 1 (where the 98 box is, is just fine)
Light 3 (the port where the Linux box is plugged in) and light 5 (which
I assume is the uplink light)
both flash in unison, not fast, maybe a second and half. When I stop the
'ping", the lights stop flashing.
I know I am SO close to getting this darn thing working but I have no
idea where to go after this.
Does anyone have any idea what we might do to solve this problem? This
is the first time I have ever
dealt with a router and linux and I am losing very valuable development
time over this seemingly simple
hang up.
Many thanks in advance to you all!
Very much!
Julian Cook
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From: "Servicios de proyectos" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: libglide2x.so
Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 18:24:12 -0400
Where I can found this library for install them ?
Thanks.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chiefy)
Subject: Re: How to remove LILO
Date: 27 Jul 2000 22:27:30 GMT
Try lilo -u [device-name]
e.g. lilo -u /dev/hda1
LGB
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From: "Chakib Belmekki" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: ATI
Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 00:39:49 +0200
Can someone tell me how configure Mandrake 7.1 with an ATI RAGE FURY 128 PRO
VIVO, i have some problemes.(If someone knows a site which can help me..)
Thanks!
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From: Doc Shipley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.x,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: Gnome or KDE
Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 22:47:02 GMT
2:1 wrote:
>
> I'm still a bit comfused about this one, but I thought that KDE and
> GNOME were a set of libraries providing nice functions. They often run
> with the ??? and Enlightenment wm respectively, although this is not
> necessary. So can't you just install both sets of libs, choose a wm and
> play with whatever apps you want, be they KDE or GNOME apps?
>
Yes and No. KDE and GNOME are "desktop environments". Libraries, toolbars,
sound-servers, theme
management, menuing system, and some apps are all part of the environment, with various
windowmanagers adapted to use within the environment.
You can do exactly what you're asking, though; install the libs, pick your favorite
wm and run all
the apps.
IMN-S-HO, the best of all worlds.
--
Doc Shipley
Network Stuff
Austin, Earth
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From: "Colin Reinhardt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: reinstalling LILO---doesn't work over Win2K???
Date: 27 Jul 2000 22:48:04 GMT
I lost LILO after reinstalling Win2K. I made a boot disk (bare.i) and got
back in to Linux.
Then I ran /sbin/lilo. It said.
Adding Linux...
Adding Win2000...
bla-bla-bla...
This should reset my MBR to point to LILO right???
(in lilo.conf install=/boot/boot.b, which is what I want and the default...)
When I rebooted, it still boots right into Win2K.
Help!?!?
thx,
Colin
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Zebee Johnstone)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: fixing MBR to see linux again (post Win2K install...)
Date: 27 Jul 2000 21:49:41 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In comp.os.linux.setup on Thu, 27 Jul 2000 12:33:29 -0700
colinr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I had RedHat up and running real nice---dual booting between Linux and Win2K
>using LILO as boot manager.
>Then I reinstalled Win2K. Now it boots directly into Win2K without the
>slightest regard for Linux.
>I assume M$ was nice enough to overwrite my MBR info.
>
>How can I restore this? My kernel vmlinuz is on the third partition (I
>believe /dev/hda2)
>I have access to rawrite, fips, restorrb, etc... I don't have an existing
>LILO bootdisk.
>
>What do I need to do to make things happy again?
Well.. if you put lilo on the 3rd partition instead of the MBR, (a
good idea with dual boot systems) then it's easy.
Get dos fdisk
set the machine to boot from the linux partition.
If it was on the MBR, it will have to be put back on there.
YOu should probably search out one of the rescue disk things, try
google - go to web directory, computers, software, operating systems,
linux, distributions, mini-linux, single floppy. there's a rescue
list there too.
Zebee
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awareness of the need for System Administrators, and educating
System Administrators in technical as well as professional issues.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (B'ichela)
Subject: Re: Math Coprocessor problem - Linux won't boot
Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 18:23:58 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Thu, 27 Jul 2000 16:14:25 -0500, Xzera <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Ok, I tried the card removal thing, no go. I tried the no387 mode, but
>it hangs later because all the precompiled kernals need a math coprocessor.
>I thought about the possibility the CPU had a stroke, but if so, why
>does Windows still run great?
Two possibilities exist in reguards to windows.
1. Windows does not care about a math-co.
2. Windows seeing your mathco is out to lunch is just using
software emulation (the no387 equiv to Linux).
Now to get linux up and running. get Slackware 7.1 and try
that. again in the boot tell it no387 and see if the slackware
bootdisk/rootdisk installer will work (Slackware usually has software
mathco support enabled if the hardware support bombs. Myself am
running slackware 3.9 as I don't want to deal with glibc. If you want
to get it go to
http://www.slackware.com which is the web page for slackware. They
have slackware 7.1 and I believe 7.2 online there.
--
B'ichela
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