Linux-Setup Digest #308, Volume #19 Thu, 3 Aug 00 00:13:08 EDT
Contents:
Re: FWD: Red Hat's CFO abandoning ship. (Christopher Browne)
How to back up a Linux disk (Dick Wisan)
Re: Time Jumps + 10 hours - RH 6.2 (E J)
Re: FWD: Red Hat's CFO abandoning ship. (Christopher Browne)
Re: No ISA Duron :-( shopping for compatible PCI modem. ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: fwd: SuSE Linux 7.0 released (Michel Catudal)
[Q] How to remove XDM boot in Debian (potato)? (Jerome Mrozak)
Re: Newbie sound problem (Mary P)
libc5 vs libc6 in a 386 with 4Mb RAM (The Phoenix)
Re: Multiple System.map symlinks/files ??? (Tim Moore)
Exchange Server for Linux?? ("djmiller")
TrueType in /var/share/default/e? ("Michael Coulter")
Apache/Sendmail ("slik66")
upg from RH 6.2 -> 7.0 beta (notes for those who're interested) (Mickey Stein)
SOUND ON A SE440BX2 MB ONBOARD SOUND CARD ("Craig")
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher Browne)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: FWD: Red Hat's CFO abandoning ship.
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 02:13:04 GMT
Centuries ago, Nostradamus foresaw a time when blowfish would say:
>John Hasler wrote:
>> blowfish writes:
>> > Sure. *BSD are making money too. But they do allow the developers to keep
>> > their codes proprietary; just a tiny bit more option for the
>> > contributors- in my fscking opinion.
>>
>> I retain the right to license my code to any one I choose under any terms I
>> choose whether I release it under the GPL or the BSD license or any other
>> free software license. The terms of the license do not bind the author.
>>
>> > I'll re-read the GNU-GPL again.
>>
>> First go study up a bit on copyright.
>
>I will. I did have many of my work copyrighted (not computer related,
>but in arts.)
You, as author, automatically have rights to copy the material as you
please.
The critical point is that the GPL does not make any claim to apply to
the author.
The way that the GPL _would_ apply to you would be if you transferred
exclusive copyright over to, let's say, the FSF.
<http://gcc.gnu.org/fsf-forms/assignment-instructions.html> describes
this process; while the default assignment _is_ of exclusive
copyright, the grantor has the right to get back a non-exclusive
copyright given written notice:
"Upon thirty days' prior written notice, the Foundation agrees to
grant me non-exclusive rights to use the Work (i.e. my changes and
enhancements, not the program which I enhanced) as I see fit; (and
the Foundation's rights shall otherwise continue unchanged)."
Note that the _as I see fit_ part is what specifically allows you to,
even after the assignment, do _whatever you want_ with the software,
except, of course, for taking back the copy rights that were assigned
to the FSF.
--
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escape pod, which the hero can easily spot and follow, I'll
simultaneously launch a few dozen decoys to throw him off track."
<http://www.eviloverlord.com/>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dick Wisan)
Subject: How to back up a Linux disk
Date: 3 Aug 2000 01:27:28 GMT
I'm very much a Linux newbie, still, trying to get squared away with
RH6.2 &/or Mandrake 7.01. How do you back up a Linux system? I'm
trying to make backup CDs with an outboard, PP & cardbus CDRW. What
I'm used to backing up DOS and Win3, directory by directory, into
ZIP files. Then (it's happened several times) you recover from a
wipe-out by reconstructing the MBR and directory structures and
refilling the directories from backup disks.
I understand this isn't adequate for Win 9x, and I'd like to know
whether it's adequate for Linux. If not, what?
(I'm certainly newbie enough and all thumbs enough to wipe out my
disk.)
--
R. N. (Dick) Wisan - Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
- Snail: 37 Clinton Street, Oneonta NY 13820, U.S.A.
- Just your opinion, please, ma'am: No fax.
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From: E J <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Time Jumps + 10 hours - RH 6.2
Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 19:24:20 -0700
I tried removing APM daemon from starting up (deleted the S05apmd from my
/etc/rc.d/rc5.d) and rebooted.
When my Compaq's hard disk or screen went into snooze mode, without the APM
daemon running, it would wake up and the clock would still go back 7 hours.
I used my Compaq setup floppy to change different automatic power options
combinations on the BIOS such as turning off the monitor and/or screen.
My only option was to turn off all automatic power options in the BIOS.
If I am bored and have a lot of time :) I might consider recompiling the APM
kernal with CONFIG_APM_RTC_IS_GMT set to N,
or take a look at time.c, to see if I can fix it.
David Efflandt wrote:
> On Tue, 01 Aug 2000 22:20:49 -0700, E J <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >I have the same problem. There is a conflict problem with the BIOS power
> >managment and time. I have not able to find a solution.
> >I do have two workarounds:
> >
> >1) Go to your BIOS and turn off the power management.
> >2) If you are only running Linux. set your CMOS to GMT time, and have the
> >local time set to the offset to GMT.
>
> There is a kernel APM configuration question about that, but apmd is
> normally only used for laptops, not desktops:
>
> RTC stores time in GMT
> CONFIG_APM_RTC_IS_GMT
> Say Y here if your RTC (Real Time Clock a.k.a. hardware clock)
> stores the time in GMT (Greenwich Mean Time). Say N if your RTC
> stores localtime.
>
> It is in fact recommended to store GMT in your RTC, because then you
> don't have to worry about daylight savings time changes. The only
> reason not to use GMT in your RTC is if you also run a broken OS
> that doesn't understand GMT.
>
> >Christopher Burke wrote:
> >
> >> Every so often the system clock jumps forward 10 hours (which happens to
> >> be how for ahead we are from GMT).
> >>
> >> The hardware clock is fine, the system clock stays OK for several hours,
> >> then suddenly jumps 10 hours. Did it this morning at 11:37am (local time),
> >> 01:37am (GMT) - the clock jumped to 09:37pm (local time), 11:37am (GMT).
> >>
> >> Settings from /etc/sysconfig/clock are
> >>
> >> ZONE="Australia/Brisbane"
> >> UTC=false
> >> ARC=false
> >>
> >> Any help appreciated.
> >>
> >> Christopher Burke
> >
>
> --
> David Efflandt [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.de-srv.com/
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher Browne)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: FWD: Red Hat's CFO abandoning ship.
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 02:35:33 GMT
Centuries ago, Nostradamus foresaw a time when blowfish would say:
>Christopher Browne wrote:
>> Centuries ago, Nostradamus foresaw a time when blowfish would say:
>> >Christopher Browne wrote:
>> >> Centuries ago, Nostradamus foresaw a time when John Hasler would say:
>> >> >How could Debian "exploit" the GPL (or anything else)? Do you understand
>> >> >what Debian is?
>> >>
>> >> Indeed. I'd find it interesting just what systems are supposedly not
>> >> "exploiting" anything. It's pretty common for comments like this to come
>> >> from "BSD trolls;" the fact that BSDI bought out Walnut Creek, and
>> >> IBM bought WhistleJet demonstrate that the "BSD world" is not immune
>> >> to commercial attempts to "exploit" BSD code either.
>> >
>> >I just checked Linuxmall.com. Debian shows up in a box, with a $17.95
>> >price tag right next to it.
>>
>> The question is, who is it that's getting the $17.95.
>>
>> It is _not_ The Debian Project.
>>
>> >Sure. *BSD are making money too. But they do allow the developers to
>> >keep their codes proprietary; just a tiny bit more option for the
>> >contributors- in my fscking opinion. :-)
>>
>> Since the author retains rights to license his or her own code under
>> whatever arrangements they wish, I'm not sure what additional option
>> they _actually_ get.
>>
>> >> >> ...where you no longer has any rights to.
>> >> >
>> >> >Wrong. I still own the copyrights on my stuff and only I can distribute
>> >> >the software under any license other than the GPL.
>> >>
>> >> ... Which is the _fascinating_ thing about the GPL, and also the
>> >> most-misunderstood...
>> >>
>> >Maybe I've misinterputed the GNU-GPL a little, but life is a non-stop
>> >learning process. Right!?
>> >
>> >I'll re-read the GNU-GPL again. Maybe I'll agree with you later, or
>> >maybe not. It all depends on how you interpute the language written in
>> >the lisence. Common fools like me read differently than bean-counters,
>> >or lawyers... Or GNU-GPL gurus...
>>
>> Read the GPL looking for clauses that indicate that they are binding
>> on the author.
>>
>> You won't find any, because if you are the _author_, the GPL _doesn't
>> bind you._
>>
>> That is an _essential_ fact that keeps getting missed.
>>
>Geez! Did I opened up a can of worms!? :P
I don't see any worms. Of the Morris variety or otherwise...
>> For something like the Linux kernel, that has hundreds if not thousands
>> of authors, the GPL winds up being pretty binding overall, as people
>> give Linus Torvalds code that _they_ have released under the GPL, thus
>> binding him to release it under the GPL.
>
>Is that why we keep getting the "Kernel de jour?" :-0
No, the more-or-less-weekly kernel update occurs because a lot of
changes get contributed in.
>> In contrast, if I am the sole author of GnomoVision, the Ever Cool DVD
>> Player that runs on Linux, I can simultaneously release it licensed under
>> the GPL, and, based on my rights as author, simultaneously release it
>> under the Studly License, where in order to use it, you have to send me
>> $5000 and a greeting card that says that I'm A Stud, as well as under
>> a license whereby Be Software pays me $500,000, and then is allowed to
>> include a GnomoVision DVD in their boxed sets of BeOS.
>
>I'm no stub or even macho. I'm a whimpy NOBODY. But self-confident and
>self-secure by default. :-)
>
>I give up playing music and video on pc already. A stand alone hardware
>home player is mutto better
>than any pc based player. And it's actually not costing any much more
>either. A decent DVD stand alone home player can be had for about
>$300-$400US. And can play music CD, CDV, have AC-3, DTS, etc. Not to
>mention without the annoying fans noises, HDDs spinning noises etc,
>coming out from the pc.
>
>And NO computer based sound reproduction set up can even come remotely
>close to the sound quality of my home sound system. (Yes, I'm one of
>those *real* audiophile, high-end audio snob.) ;-)
>
>I NEVER pay more than US$100. for a video card, since I NEVER care about
>games.
You miss the point. The specific name of the application, the nature
of the application, do not matter in the slightest. As mentioned
below, some of this is _a bit silly_.
>> Some of those options are somewhat silly, but legally viable.
The point, that evidently you're too enamoured with making fun of the
idea of a DVD player app to recognize, is that whatever the application,
whether a DVD player, or text editor, or accounting system, or web cache,
or whatever, the author has the ability to release the code simultaneously
under the GPL as well as under whatever other licenses he or she wishes
to use.
One might release under the GPL to provide something hobbyists may
be interested in, whilst also having a ROMed version configured for
deployment embedded in "appliance" devices, as well as having a third
license for "expensive, royaltied source that allows customization"
usable for those that like the GPLed code, but don't want to need to
release sources that the GPL would mandate.
That precise scenario has reportedly been the case for Aladdin
Ghostscript, which is dually released under GPL as well as other
'private' license arrangements, and I suspect that it's also the case
for the Cygnus Ecos RTOS.
--
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The difference between a child and a hacker is the amount he flames about
his toys.
-- Ed Schwalenberg
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: No ISA Duron :-( shopping for compatible PCI modem.
Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 02:31:33 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Ignacio Valdes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> I'm looking for a Linux compatible PCI modem. Must be PCI because I'm
> using it with the new Duron/Thunderbird compatible boards which DON'T
> have an ISA slot. I've checked the modem knowledge base at:
>
> http://www.kcdata.com/~gromitkc/20000716a.html
>
> But holy cow nothing seems to be turning up. Can anyone help me shop
> for this? Again, requirements are PCI, Linux compatible, (and low
cost?)
>
> Thanks,
>
> -- IV
>
>
Does your modem have to be PCI? Would you consider an external modem?
If you must get a PCI modem, get one that is a hardware modem. These
are guaranteed to work with Linux because they don't need drivers.
Stay clear of winmodems (software modems) because these guys need a
driver and you may not be able get one.
BTW, I am sorry about the off-topic question but do you mind letting us
know which motherboard you are using for your Duron and whether you had
any significant problems?
Chris
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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From: Michel Catudal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux.suse,comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: fwd: SuSE Linux 7.0 released
Date: 2 Aug 2000 21:41:08 -0500
blowfish a �crit :
>
> But I hope SuSE has taken out all the stupid games from the Professional
> version.
>
> The important stuff are the apps.
>
If they did they would piss off a lot of customers so my guess is that they won't.
If you don't want the games, do not install them.
I install them for my son and my wife who do like them even if I never play them.
--
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From: Jerome Mrozak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [Q] How to remove XDM boot in Debian (potato)?
Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 21:55:46 -0500
I installed potato and answered one little question during X
installation: Do you want the graphical login? Well, I'm not liking it
and want to turn it off. I investigated /etc/inittab and no matter what
initial runlevel I try (except for 1:single user--there X can't come up
at all...) this thing doesn't go away.
My real problem is that my X installation seems to default to 8bpp,
because I get lousy background images and running graphical packages in
X makes the whole screen change colors. I'm actually trying to get X to
start with 16 bpp or more, and don't know how to make the graphical
login do this. So, boot as text and startx -- -bpp 16 manually. Except
every login uses xdm and I can't get use a virtual console and turn off
this crazy thing...
Finally, if I just alter /etc/X11R6/XF86Config to omit the 8 bpp display
subsection then xstart complains about missing 8bpp section. Why does
it want it so bad? Can't I just have 16-24-32 bpp?
TIA,
Jerome.
--
Jerome Mrozak "Never buy a dog and bark for yourself"
[EMAIL PROTECTED] --"Slippery" Jim DiGriz
(the Stainless Steel Rat)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mary P)
Subject: Re: Newbie sound problem
Date: 3 Aug 2000 02:44:24 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Wed, 2 Aug 2000 14:56:25 -0400, Steve Riskus
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>... My soundcard is a ensoniq soundscape vivo. My problem is I
>do not know the cards I/O address. IRQ or DMA setting and i do not have
>windows so I cant use device manager to find them out. Is there a way to
>find these values by looking at the motherboard? If not where do I find
>them.
For I/O address info try:
cat /proc/ioports
For info about what
your computer thinks each IRQ number is assigned to:
dmesg
(dmesg just prints your bootup messages, and you will have
to read through to find the various IRQs)
Try this to see the IRQs you are using right now -
may also help if you decide to reassign something to a
new IRQ and need to find an open one:
cat /proc/interrupts
(run this command and try using various devices
so that interrupts are coming through, then watch the
numbers change)
Hope this helps,
MP
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From: The Phoenix <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: libc5 vs libc6 in a 386 with 4Mb RAM
Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 00:38:38 +0000
Hi! I'm planning to install a custom Linux in a 386 with 4Mb of RAM
and I'm wondering wich libc to use. At first I tought the later (libc6)
the better, but then I saw the Small Linux distribution ( a distribution
aimed for computers with small RAM memory) and it used libc5, I became
unsure if libc5 would be a better choice to use in computers with small
RAM memory. So I'm in need of some insight on wether to use libc5 or
libc6, in terms of what is best for RAM memory usage and also of
performance.
Also, which kernel version is best to use in a 386 with 4 Mb RAM( on
what concerns RAM mem usage aswell)?
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From: Tim Moore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: linux.dev.newbie,linux.redhat.development
Subject: Re: Multiple System.map symlinks/files ???
Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 03:12:21 GMT
> I'm compiling different versions of the linux kerenl. What I
> would like
> to do is be able to have multiple Systam.map-x.y.z 's. This way when I
> boot into a different versions of the kernel it wont complain about the
> System.map-x.y.z being the worng version. Here's my system:
> ...
It won't complain.
I used to link /boot/System.map to the current kernel system map, then
noticed the kernel finds the correct map regardless of the link.
...
Jul 25 09:19:08 dell syslogd 1.3-3: restart.
Jul 25 09:19:08 dell syslog: syslogd startup succeeded
Jul 25 09:19:09 dell syslog: klogd startup succeeded
Jul 25 09:19:09 dell kernel: klogd 1.3-3, log source = /proc/kmsg
started.
Jul 25 09:19:09 dell kernel: Inspecting /boot/System.map-2.2.17pre12
Jul 25 09:19:10 dell kernel: Loaded 6332 symbols from
/boot/System.map-2.2.17pre12.
Jul 25 09:19:14 dell kernel: Symbols match kernel version 2.2.17.
Jul 25 09:19:15 dell kernel: Loaded 6 symbols from 8 modules.
Jul 25 09:19:15 dell kernel: Linux version 2.2.17pre12 (root@asus) (gcc
version egcs-2.91.66 19990314/Linux (egcs-1.1.2 release)) #1 Mon Jul 17
01:37:25 PDT 2000
Jul 25 09:19:15 dell kernel: Console: colour VGA+ 80x25
Jul 25 09:19:15 dell kernel: Calibrating delay loop... 49.77 BogoMIPS
Jul 25 09:19:15 dell kernel: Memory: 39176k/41248k available (912k
kernel code, 420k reserved, 708k data, 32k init)
...
--
timothymoore
bigfoot
com
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From: "djmiller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Exchange Server for Linux??
Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 03:39:59 GMT
Is there anything that functions like an Exchange server for Linux, that
will store calendar/contacts/e-mail/etc. and allow MS Outlook to connect to
it?
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From: "Michael Coulter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: TrueType in /var/share/default/e?
Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 22:45:45 -0500
What RPM has the directory TrueType that resides under
/var/share/default/??/TrueType
My TrueType subdir is gone and I cannot find it in any of the RPM's.
thanks
please cc:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
thanks again
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From: "slik66" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Apache/Sendmail
Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 03:49:44 GMT
Hello All,
I have just been asked by the small company I work for to set up an Apache
webserver and a Sendmail mail server. Being new to Linux and the industry,
this is quite a daunting task. Does anyone know any good tutorials on these
items? Any and all help will be greatly appreciated.
Thanks in advance and feel free to emila me personally
Reed Wilkins
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Mickey Stein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: upg from RH 6.2 -> 7.0 beta (notes for those who're interested)
Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 20:49:35 -0700
Just for the record: I dl'd the entire RedHat
(instimage, base, RPMS) hierarchy for "pinstripe"
(beta 7) and attempted to upgrade from 6.2 today.
It went amazingly smooth right until it'd
apparently completed all the package installations
and then gave out with an anaconda (real) error.
There were none of the usual problems when I've
gotten that error (e.g. ws_ftp.log files in the
tree), but it's possible that metalabs dist wasn't
quite right or that my ftp wasn't perfect.
Since it'd made it though 99.9% , I rebooted and
tried it and it seemed to work and have some nice
new functionality (detecting usb devices), along
with xconfiguring my matrox g400max card and
bringing up the quite "fancy" looking kde desktop.
That's about as far as I got since an error of
some sort occurred at that point and hung the
system.
having to get back to work (I use linux for 60-70%
of my work), I restored the partition and let it
go for another time. I also sent redhat some
feedback on the install. Fwiw: I dl'd the dist
from metalab.unc.edu. I also used driveimage to
backup the linux partition right before upgrade so
I wouldn't lose extra time restoring.
>From past upgrades, I think it's possible that
it's a good upgrade (it didn't lose *any* of my
settings and the apps all still worked), but since
I've only one copy to work with, I couldn't take
the time for a slightly problematic install. I'll
wait for the beta to become 7.0 (it's 6.9 right
now :) and try it then.
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Reply-To: "Craig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
From: "Craig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: SOUND ON A SE440BX2 MB ONBOARD SOUND CARD
Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 21:03:38 -0700
What sound driver should i be using when i make the kernal?
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