Linux-Setup Digest #315, Volume #19 Thu, 3 Aug 00 18:13:11 EDT
Contents:
Re: NFS server fails: [nfssvc: Function not implemented] (Tom Eastep)
Partiton Problem (Martin Racette)
Re: Why is Athon 650 slower than P-II/400? ("Alan Pettigrew")
Re: Booting from a Floppy with mem=128M ("Alan Pettigrew")
PLEASE - Volunteer ?'C' expert? to follow these instructions to get an Ethernet card
supported . ("Ian Turnbui")
backup question ("Craig A. Lebowitz")
HP Deskjet 930c (Eric Schweitzer)
Re: locking down GNOME ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: GFC2206 ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: XFree86 4.0 install error ("Matt & Penny Edmonds")
Newbie - installation troubles ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: FWD: Red Hat's CFO abandoning ship. (Robert Krawitz)
Re: adding linux to win2k bootmenu ("Michael Cox")
Framebuffer... ("Fredericv")
Re: my SMTP server? (Arthur)
Re: Framebuffer... ("ne...")
Re: my SMTP server? ("ne...")
Re: Why is Athon 650 slower than P-II/400? !!!SOLVED!!! ("Steve Wolfe")
Re: HP Deskjet 930c (Eric Schweitzer)
Re: FWD: Red Hat's CFO abandoning ship. (blowfish)
Re: FWD: Red Hat's CFO abandoning ship. (Robert Krawitz)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Tom Eastep)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: NFS server fails: [nfssvc: Function not implemented]
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 12:59:24 -0700
Nicolas Anquetil wrote:
>
>HI,
>
>I am trying to setup a NFS server. I installed knfsd-1.2.2-4 on my
>RedHat 6.0 box (kernel 2.2.16).
>However, when I boot or try to run rpc.nfsd I get the message:
> nfssvc: Function not implemented
>
>The NFS-HOWTO says very little about how to setup the server.
>
>Any hint would be appreciated
>
This is a FAQ -- you need to enable NFS server support in your kernel. In
order to be offered that option, you must enable "Prompt for
experimental/incomplete code/drivers" under code maturity options.
-Tom
--
Tom Eastep \ Eastep's First Principle of Computing:
ICQ #60745924 \ "Any sane computer will tell you how it
[EMAIL PROTECTED] \ works if you ask it the proper questions"
Shoreline, Washington USA \___________________________________________
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Martin Racette)
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux.mandrake,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Partiton Problem
Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 20:13:41 GMT
Hi guys,
I've installed Mandrake 7.1, and since I
let it create it's own partitions
instead of creating them with Partition
Magic, I have a problem with the other
partition on that same disk. I can't
access them with Partition Magic, nor
with OS/2's FDISK.
The error message I have with Partition
Magic is as follow:
"This error occurs under some operating
systems when logical partitions are not
chained together in the expected order.
DOS, OS/2, Windows 95, Windows 98, and
Windows NT require that logical
partitions be chained together in
ascending order. Some other operating
systems do not require this. For
example, some versions of the Linux
FDISK utility chain logical partitions
together in the order they are created.
This error message identifies a very
dangerous situation; using the DOS FDISK
in this situation can cause loss of one
or more partitions. "
I need to resize some of the partitions
that are access with OS/2, and WIN98
If you have any advise how to correct
this I would appreciate
//-------------------------
Thank you in advance
Merci a l'avance
Martin
ICQ #48552954
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From: "Alan Pettigrew" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: Why is Athon 650 slower than P-II/400?
Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 13:57:54 +0100
The memory problem, not recognising >64M, is down to the BIOS setup.
I have a K7M and Athlon 600.
I changed the BIOS setting of
ACPI aware O/S
to
No
and the system recognised all 192M
Alan
"root" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> I recently replaced a slightly dated motherboard with an Athlon 650 and
> K7M motherboard and a new 128MB DIMM. Running RedHat 6.2.
>
> I'm a little frustrated with performance. Memory access is roughly half
> the speed of another machine (dual P-II/400 on ASUS P2B-DS 256MB).
>
> I don't really notice the performance difference until I do anything,
> meaning I can boot, log in, and everything works fine... it's just a
> slow pig when I want to push the machine and make it do anything
> significant.
>
> Any ideas? I assume that this is a hardware issue, not a setup issue,
> but I've been wrong before.
>
> ---
> Rambling symptoms:
>
> I've noticed this through several indicators:
>
> 0) VMWare (latest download) crawls (to the point of being useless) on
> the Athlon and is perfectly usable on the P-II.
>
> 1) hdparm -T /dev/hda
> P-II: ~108MB/s
> Athon: ~48MB/s
>
> 2) Boot-up RAID 5 test:
> P-II:
>
> raid5: MMX detected, trying high-speed MMX checksum routines
> pII_mmx : 872.871 MB/sec
> p5_mmx : 925.068 MB/sec
> 8regs : 689.229 MB/sec
> 32regs : 377.571 MB/sec
> using fastest function: p5_mmx (925.068 MB/sec)
>
> Athon:
>
> raid5: MMX detected, trying high-speed MMX checksum routines
> pII_mmx : 74.676 MB/sec
> p5_mmx : 72.771 MB/sec
> 8regs : 91.821 MB/sec
> 32regs : 37.719 MB/sec
> using fastest function: 8regs (91.821 MB/sec)
>
> 1/10th performance? Ugh!
>
> 3) I wrote a program that allocates a huge chunk of memory (16/64/96
> MB), and fills it with zeroes sixteen times. This program is always
> twice as fast on the P-II than the Athlon according to the 'time'
> command.
>
> On both machines I've had to manually put append="mem=xxxM" in lilo.conf
> else neither machine recognises anything more than 64MB RAM.
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From: "Alan Pettigrew" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Booting from a Floppy with mem=128M
Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 14:49:21 +0100
That's a complicated way to get round the 64M problem. It may be simpler to
amend the BIOS, if you have a helpful one.
I have a K7M board, Athlon 600, AMI BIOS. I changed the
ACPI Aware O/S
setting to
No
and my Mandrake 7.0 Linux found all 192M of memory.
If you are going to change lilo for any reason, then having a bootable
floppy is an excellent idea.
Alan
"E J" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Before you start, reboot to pure DOS (NOT DOS under WINDOWS!!!), make a
> copy of your disk floppy just in case you screw up
> diskcopy a: a:
> Put the disk floppy into your computer with the write protect tab to the
> read/write position.
>
> Login as yourself into linux.
>
> $ su -
> password: <secret>
> # mount /dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy
> # cd /mnt/floppy/etc
> # cp lilo.conf lilo.conf.orig
> # vi lilo.conf
>
> Edit the lilo.conf file. Here is my lilo.conf file:
> boot=/dev/fd0
> timeout=100
> message=/boot/message
> prompt
> image=/boot/vmlinuz-2.2.14-6.1.1
> label=linux
> root=/dev/hda4
> append="mem=128M"
> read-only
>
> # /sbin/lilo -C /mnt/floppy/etc/lilo.c
>
>
> fu manchu wrote:
>
> > I finally got RH6.2 to use all 128M of memory when I boot from a
> > floppy by typing at the boot# prompt:
> >
> > mem=128M
> >
> > But it's tedious and error prone to have to type this every time I
> > boot. Is there some way to automate this?
> >
> > That is, I haven't been able to figure out for a floppy boot how to do
> > the equivalent of adding the line
> >
> > append-"mem=128M"
> >
> > to /etc/lilo.conf then running lilo to update the MBR when booting
> > from the hard disk.
> >
> > Details, please.
>
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From: "Ian Turnbui" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: PLEASE - Volunteer ?'C' expert? to follow these instructions to get an
Ethernet card supported .
Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 21:24:47 +0100
I could really do with some help folks - any voulunteers? The basic problem
is with a network card that is supposed to be supported IF one can follow
the instructions. It means having /linux and /gcc
and a couple of makes. I'll gladly email the 21KB tar.gz file to tou if you
would like to try it out and then tell me what a pratt I am for missing the
obvious !!!
The problem I have is about a hundred lines of 'C' compile errors.
Basically you gzip and tar this 21KB file and follow the readme file
provided. It requires the latest pcmcia source which I got from
ftp:://sourceforge.org/pcmcia/pcmcia-3.1.19.tar.gz
TIA
Ian Turnbull
0961 931941
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Web : www.turnbui.freeserve.co.uk
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From: "Craig A. Lebowitz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: backup question
Date: 03 Aug 2000 20:36:43 GMT
I'm writing a little script that backs up (tar, gzip) specified directories on my
fairly new RedHat 6.2 system. I plan on
backing up to a single ZIP disk. My question - I need to pioritize because 100MB
compressed is my limit. What directories
should I include?
Thanks for your advice.
craig
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From: Eric Schweitzer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: HP Deskjet 930c
Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 16:39:11 -0400
I'm running RedHat 6.1 and I've just been "upgraded" to an HP Deskjet
930c printer. I'd be using it mostly for lpr and printing TeX docs, and
perhaps I'll give StarOffice a try, only it doesn't seem at all happy.
First, the printer worked just fine under Windows98, but printtool
autodetects nothing (it says "/dev/lp0: Not Detected", same for lp1 and
lp2).
/etc/printcap lists
lp:\
:sd=/var/spool/lpd/lp:\
:mx#0:\
:sh:\
:lp=/dev/lp0 #it initially said :lp. I added this. Didn't help.
in /dev, and ls -ls gets
$ ls -ls /dev/lp*
0 crw-rw---- 1 root daemon 6, 0 May 5 1998 /dev/lp0
0 crw-rw---- 1 root daemon 6, 1 May 5 1998 /dev/lp1
0 crw-rw---- 1 root daemon 6, 2 May 5 1998 /dev/lp2
(which looks OK to me)
I added a line to /etc/conf.modules:
alias parport_lowlevel parport_pc
but this also seems not to have changed anything.
FWIW, this is on a Dell Optiplex GX1, an Intel P-III with 64 MB RAM
Any advice??
TIA.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: locking down GNOME
Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 20:44:59 GMT
Well the powers that bve wanted a smooth transition. But what looks
like is going to happen is that everyone gets a different login, as this
will give us much more flexibility etc. What we had before was people
logging in using all the same username/password because the workstations
were pretty independent (no central administration). Well now we're
actually getting our act together so it looks like everyone will have a
separate login to a central NIS server. Still, these people only need
to run a few apps. How can I keep them from piddling around on the hard
drive (ex. hitting ALT+F2 to Run something)?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: GFC2206
Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 20:38:06 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Michael Mitchell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Open up the box, pull the card and write down anything that is
readable.
> If its plug and play or jumperless, then disable plug and play
support in
> the bios. While in Windoz, check your system info on the device,
write
> down which IRQ its using, etc. Go to www.linux.org or other Linux
sites
> and check the hardware compatibility list. Easy route is too get a
card
> that you know will work. Try kernelcfg and see if its in the list.
Did
> you enable network support during installation?
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> > I was wondering (I asked in comp.os.linux.hardware, but no luck so
far)
> > about a LAN (Ethernet) card I got with my new computer: Windows
reports
> > it as GFC2206... Anyone has any ideas about Linux? I have Suse 6.4
and
> > it does not see it by default. Is it compatible with something else?
> > Any setup tips? If not I just get a 3com or Intel...
> > Thanks for any help.
> >
> > Peter
> >
> > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> > Before you buy.
>
>
Thanks!
I try lots of stuff, but it did not work. It was some obscure card, no
one knew about. I just went and got 3com... works out of the box...
Thanks again for your input!
Peter
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From: "Matt & Penny Edmonds" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: XFree86 4.0 install error
Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 06:49:08 +1000
"Davide Bianchi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On Thu, 3 Aug 2000 06:40:24 +1000, "Matt & Penny Edmonds"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >Hi
> >I'm running Suse 6.4 and want to install KDE2 so I went to install XF86
4.0.
> >There were some error messages towards the end of the install but I
missed
> >tham as they scrolled past.
> >
> >whenI went to startx after that I got the following message ....... can
> >anyone please help.
> >Thanks in advance
> >Matt
>
> Probabily you have to reconfigure the server. Try execute the
> xf86config script, or check the XF86Configure configuration
> file.
>
> Davide
>
Thanks for that Davide, I do still have a bit of a problem ....... since I'm
only using Linux as a standalone desktop I haven't really been that bothered
with User IDs yet and only have root and 1 user.
My problem is I've installed my Xserver under root (SUID) and cant get an X
session started for the user I'm going to RFTM but some advice would also be
helpful.
Thanks in advance
Matt =)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Newbie - installation troubles
Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 20:52:02 GMT
I am using Corel Linux, and perhaps that is the problem.
For the life of me I can't get that software running smoothly.
To start with, when I boot Linux (normal), it goes through the paces,
and then begins flashing with the text Corel Linux:~#:
I can type in my name (only when the screen is on, considering
a "flash" on and off) to which the computer runs through some more code
and spits out asking for a password. Since it doesn't disply any
symbols etc on the screen, and typing while it is flashing is
difficult, I can't tell whether or not I am getting anything in.
If I log in under VGA mode, my keyboard refuses to work (MS natural). I
have tried going into Options and changing my resolution and color
depth. I have also looked for drivers to my card (A Diamond Stealth 3
with an s3 savage 4 chipest) all to no avail.
I wouldl ove to see the true capabilities of this OS, but I can not
seem to get it running at all. Any suggestions on where I can get the
appropriate drivers (if that is the case) or answers to what my problem
might be would be greatly appreciated!!!
Nate
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From: Robert Krawitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: FWD: Red Hat's CFO abandoning ship.
Date: 03 Aug 2000 17:11:03 -0400
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jay Maynard) writes:
> I take particular offense at this, as I consider myself a Southerner. Once
> again, you ignore basic facts and human rights, just as with your leftist
> gun-grabbing position: selling your children into slavery harms them, but
> the original software is now, and will forever be, free, NO MATTER WHAT
> ANYONE ELSE DOES WITH IT. You seek to deny me the right to control my own
> work merely because it is an improvement on your work. This is not freedom.
> It is communism.
It's every bit as communistic as the fact that you are not allowed to
control a work that you write that is a derivative of e. g. a Star
Trek episode.
Now, as it happens I do believe that copyright is anti-free-market in
the sense that the government intervenes to protect a private monopoly
from competition (that's not usually called "communism"; it's more
like mercantilism). I would personally be quite happy to give up the
GPL in exchange for the complete abolition of copyright.
However, under the notion of copyright, an author has a right to
control over the copying of his work. That right also extends to
works derived from his original work, or it would be a pretty weak
right (imagine, for example, if you could get around copyright by the
simple expedient of changing the spelling of one word, or one
character's name).
In any event, the GPL does NOT control your right to do what you will
with your own work, even modifications of it, as long as you do not
redistribute (copy) it.
--
Robert Krawitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.tiac.net/users/rlk/
Tall Clubs International -- http://www.tall.org/ or 1-888-IM-TALL-2
Member of the League for Programming Freedom -- mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Project lead for The Gimp Print -- http://gimp-print.sourceforge.net
"Linux doesn't dictate how I work, I dictate how Linux works."
--Eric Crampton
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From: "Michael Cox" <~[EMAIL PROTECTED]~>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt
Subject: Re: adding linux to win2k bootmenu
Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 14:08:39 -0700
Followups set to comp.os.linux.setup
Use bootpart.exe, available at LINUX sites everywhere. Not really a windows
problem though - so the linux group mentioned would be more helpful to you.
Although...
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(1)partition(7)\Linux="RedHat Linux"
might work depending on your system and my memory.......
Michael
http://members.aa.net/~net123
"Jeroen Zwartepoorte" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:8m71a7$51d$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Hi,
>
> How do i add my RedHat linux OS to the win2k bootmenu? (linux is on hdb7
> (second harddisk, 7th partition))
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jeroen
>
>
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From: "Fredericv" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Framebuffer...
Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 21:27:25 GMT
Does anyone have experience with framebuffer?
Is it possible to use framebuffer to enhance the console look,
but use the normal xserver to work in X?
Or doesn't framebuffer really slow down X graphically?
Any help is welcome...
Thanks,
Fredericv
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From: Arthur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: my SMTP server?
Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 21:16:09 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
.. wrote:
> Peter Bismuti wrote:
> >
> If you want to send mail only directly, bypassing your ISP, then,
> install a smtpd daemon, and name it mail.localhost.
>
What's smtpd daemon?, is it just for linux programs?
Arthur
--
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From: "ne..." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Framebuffer...
Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 21:40:12 GMT
On Aug 3, 2000 at 21:27, Fredericv eloquently wrote:
>Does anyone have experience with framebuffer?
>Is it possible to use framebuffer to enhance the console look,
>but use the normal xserver to work in X?
Yes. I currently use a framebuffer on the console
and the SVGA server for X. I also have the option of
installing and using the Xframebuffer server.
>Or doesn't framebuffer really slow down X graphically?
The two really have nothing to do with eachother.
--
Registered Linux User # 125653 (http://counter.li.org)
I read the newspaper avidly. It is my one form of continuous fiction.
-- Aneurin Bevan
5:37pm up 24 days, 20:44, 9 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
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From: "ne..." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: my SMTP server?
Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 21:42:54 GMT
On Aug 3, 2000 at 21:16, Arthur eloquently wrote:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> .. wrote:
>> Peter Bismuti wrote:
>> >
>> If you want to send mail only directly, bypassing your ISP, then,
>> install a smtpd daemon, and name it mail.localhost.
>>
>What's smtpd daemon?, is it just for linux programs?
Simple Mail Transfer Protocol daemon. No.
--
Registered Linux User # 125653 (http://counter.li.org)
Live long and prosper.
-- Spock, "Amok Time", stardate 3372.7
5:41pm up 24 days, 20:48, 9 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
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From: "Steve Wolfe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: Why is Athon 650 slower than P-II/400? !!!SOLVED!!!
Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 15:45:09 -0600
> > The only thing I dare generalize on is that an SMP system can handle a
> > heavy load from mupliple active processes better. For single-user
> > systems, there's generally no point.
>
> A few years ago, I'd say that.
>
> Today, however, most people I know run multiple processes at once.
Even a few years ago, I would have said that SMP is a Good Thing. If a
person is using an IDE drive, then one CPU can spend it's time fiddling with
the hard drive while the other CPU does things that you notice....
As you said,
> Most of the time, the second processor probably doesn't contribute much,
> but when one of them decides to start using a lot of CPU, having the
> other one around keeps the system responsive.
Exactly. ; )
steve
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From: Eric Schweitzer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: HP Deskjet 930c
Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 17:43:51 -0400
Nothing like following up one's own post. Post a query, and the answer
will be found! RedHat has a bug report that says "printer may have to be
off when computer is booted" and indeed, a reboot with the printer off
solved the autodetect problem.
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From: blowfish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: ..
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: FWD: Red Hat's CFO abandoning ship.
Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 14:52:01 -0700
Christopher Browne wrote:
>
> Centuries ago, Nostradamus foresaw a time when blowfish would say:
> >Christopher Browne wrote:
> >>
> >> Centuries ago, Nostradamus foresaw a time when blowfish would say:
> >> >John Hasler wrote:
> >> >> blowfish writes:
> >> >> > Sure. *BSD are making money too. But they do allow the developers to keep
> >> >> > their codes proprietary; just a tiny bit more option for the
> >> >> > contributors- in my fscking opinion.
> >> >>
> >> >> I retain the right to license my code to any one I choose under any terms I
> >> >> choose whether I release it under the GPL or the BSD license or any other
> >> >> free software license. The terms of the license do not bind the author.
> >> >>
> >> >> > I'll re-read the GNU-GPL again.
> >> >>
> >> >> First go study up a bit on copyright.
> >> >
> >> >I will. I did have many of my work copyrighted (not computer related,
> >> >but in arts.)
> >>
> >> You, as author, automatically have rights to copy the material as you
> >> please.
> >
> >Yes. But still you have to file for copyrights before you can be legally
> >protected under the law.
> >
> >Write to your local government printing office, get the booklet, it'll
> >costs you a few dollars for the booklet on how to do it.
>
> Automatic copyright protection has been in place in the United States
> since January 1, 1978, before which time statutory copyright protection
> required either:
> a) Publishing a work, or
> b) Registering it with the US Copyright Office
> in order to have any protection under US law.
>
Thanks for the updates. I've been doing it the old way. Oh well! Didn't
hurt anything though.
Got to have them registered one way or another. :-)
> Under the present law, you only need to register the work before
> initiating the lawsuit. Thus, if someone rips off your Great Software
> Work, it suffices to take a copy of the work over to the Copyright
> Office before heading off to court.
>
No. I have copyrighted many of my art work and photography. Some have
been published internationally. :-)
My sig is not kidding. My Un-Geek codes. I'm really Non-Geek. :P
Programming and IT stuff are just some of my hobbies and self-taught,
and people are willing to pay me for my knowledge. :-)
> The law already protects you, but you need to register before _going
> to court_.
>
Yeah. That I know.
> >> The critical point is that the GPL does not make any claim to apply to
> >> the author.
>
> >No. I'm *not* talking about GNU-GPL here.
>
> The discussion was about the GPL, and its effects.
>
> >> The way that the GPL _would_ apply to you would be if you transferred
> >> exclusive copyright over to, let's say, the FSF.
>
> >I'm talking about pure commercial work.
>
> Fine.
>
> >> <http://gcc.gnu.org/fsf-forms/assignment-instructions.html> describes
> >> this process; while the default assignment _is_ of exclusive
> >> copyright, the grantor has the right to get back a non-exclusive
> >> copyright given written notice:
> >>
> >> "Upon thirty days' prior written notice, the Foundation agrees to
> >> grant me non-exclusive rights to use the Work (i.e. my changes and
> >> enhancements, not the program which I enhanced) as I see fit; (and
> >> the Foundation's rights shall otherwise continue unchanged)."
> >>
> >> Note that the _as I see fit_ part is what specifically allows you to,
> >> even after the assignment, do _whatever you want_ with the software,
> >> except, of course, for taking back the copy rights that were assigned
> >> to the FSF.
> >
> >I'm talking about pure commercial work, where I, as the creator and the
> >copyrights owner, have the *absolute* sayings, in what can, and what not
> >can be use with my work, and not without my specific permission, and/or
> >additional payments to me.
> >
> >ANY changes *must* be approved by me before anything can be carry out.
> >
> >And any additional usage, regardless of media, or longer than the time
> >frame, the geographical location, or even translated to a different
> >language, as specified in the original contract, are all require
> >additional payment.
> >
> >And any delay of payments are subjected to additional interests charges.
> >
> >Sorry. There's *no free beer or free lunch* in reality.
>
> Again, who else said anything about there being a free lunch, aside
> from yourself? You're projecting some belief that you want to think
> that others have. Some _are_ foolish enough to believe that there
> is such a thing as a "truly free lunch." Reality is otherwise.
Yes, I agree with you. But some people do believe they can get free
lunch. But not me.
> --
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] - <http://www.hex.net/~cbbrowne/linux.html>
> "For systems, the analogue of a face-lift is to add to the control
> graph an edge that creates a cycle, not just an additional node."
> -- Alan Perlis
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- Alex / blowfish.
--
- If Vi is God's editor. Then, God must have too much free time on his
hands,
lives a very dull and unproductive life; so he needs Vi to waste his
time.
But Vi was still too fast. So God created EMACS on the 8th day - which
takes
Eight Months to load, And Counting Still...
KISS rules. That's why I use Easy Edit (ee). Small. Simple and fast.
:-)
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Me3(- A name, I call myself.) FAr4(- A long, long way to run.) Sew5(-A
needle pulling thread.)
lA6(-A note to follow sew.) TeA7(-A drink with jam and bread.) That
will bring us back to DOe-oh-oh-oh...
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From: Robert Krawitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: FWD: Red Hat's CFO abandoning ship.
Date: 03 Aug 2000 18:08:02 -0400
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jay Maynard) writes:
> This fits RMS's utopia well: programmers are denied the right to be
> compensated for their labor, instead being forced to give away their output
> in return for some nebulous compensation of unspecified type and value.
Note that RMS specifically rejects as "free" any license that
restricts the right to sell the work (therefore, the Aladdin license
is not regarded as "free"). One can argue about how relevant the
right to sell is in the absence of a right to keep secret, although
it's certainly not irrelevant (Red Hat, Cygnus before they were bought
by Red Hat, SuSE, and others all make money selling GPL software).
Nor does RMS campaign for repeal of copyright, or for laws forbidding
keeping source code private. However, he exercises his right to do
what he wants with his code output, and that includes rights wrt
derivative works under the American legal system. If he makes it
harder for people to sell proprietary software, isn't that what free
market competition is all about? In a really free market, the price
should drive toward the marginal cost, after all.
--
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Tall Clubs International -- http://www.tall.org/ or 1-888-IM-TALL-2
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"Linux doesn't dictate how I work, I dictate how Linux works."
--Eric Crampton
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