Linux-Setup Digest #316, Volume #19 Thu, 3 Aug 00 19:13:11 EDT
Contents:
Re: FWD: Red Hat's CFO abandoning ship. (blowfish)
modem (John Archibald)
Re: FWD: Red Hat's CFO abandoning ship. (blowfish)
Re: FWD: Red Hat's CFO abandoning ship. (blowfish)
Re: Math Coprocessor problem - Linux won't boot (Xzera)
Re: paging scripts and other Qs (jtoy)
Re: FWD: Red Hat's CFO abandoning ship. (NF Stevens)
Re: FWD: Red Hat's CFO abandoning ship. (blowfish)
Re: FWD: Red Hat's CFO abandoning ship. (Johan Kullstam)
how to install manufacturers drivers? ("Pat Parsons")
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From: blowfish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: ..
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: FWD: Red Hat's CFO abandoning ship.
Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 15:01:46 -0700
Bernd Paysan wrote:
>
> Johan Kullstam wrote:
> > this always happens. many people say that the united states of
> > america is a free country yet there are many things which are
> > illegal. you can't just go around killing people wantonly. you
> > cannot use many drugs. the first infringes upon other people's
> > freedom. the second, however, does not yet it is still forbidden.
> > free doesn't necessarily mean anarchy.
>
> In fact, anarchy often means the contrary of freedom. You may do what
> you want, but in fact, you are at war with your neighbours (or some
> boons who want to make the best out of this "freedom" by enslaving poor
> suckers that can't defend themselves). And being at war isn't exactly
> "freedom".
>
> BTW: Drugs do impact others. Many violent crimes are performed under
> influence of alcohol, so are many traffic accidents. Passive smoking
> causes cancer. Hard drugs such as heroine or cocaine make people unable
> to earn their live for themselves, and therefore creates thiefs and
> prostitutes (although being illegal is one of the main causes that these
> drugs are so expensive and have such an impact).
>
> We are now in a society that allows proprietary software. For our all
> freedom, this is no good. The FSF wants to get to a more free society,
> where there is no proprietary software anymore. They do so by using
> copyright to protect their software from being "enslaved" again. Some of
> the BSD whiners tell us that making derivatives proprietary isn't
> "enslaving" the original software, which is still free. This is like
> saying (in the south states, 150 years ago): "If you give your niggers
> (TIC!) freedom, ok, but if they can't sell their childs as slaves, they
> aren't really free".
>
You know what? I disagree with Jon Katz from slashdot 95% of the time.
But he posted a story on Aug., 1, that even I can agree with.
All these geek's mentality is really very self centered and selfish.
I'll quote a small part here:
==============
Posted by JonKatz on Tuesday August 01, @10:30AM from the
Technology-and-Politics dept.
The tech culture is becoming a elitist society with no coherent
political values, poorly prepared to deal with real politicians, who
pass real laws like the DMCA. "How could they take my Napster away?"
lamented one recent e-mailer. A new book by journalist Paulina Borsook
takes an even sharper look at techno-narcissism and hostility.
The tech culture, she says, is at times self-centered and selfish. In
Borsook's Cyberselfish: A Critical Romp Through The Terribly Libertarian
Culture of High Tech, published by Public Affairs, Borsook takes aim at
the Social Darwinism of the tech culture, at its lack of empathy for
human beings -- especially the technologically primitive and impaired.
In this world she finds much hostility and paranoia, a world of
"testosterone-poisoned guys with chips on their shoulders and too much
time on their hands."
Ouch. She has a point, and it's hard to write for Slashdot and not wince
at the above description. This is a narcissistic civilization with a
mean streak, fat and lazy and arrogant from years of uninterrupted
opportunity, innovation and peace, thriving from years of neglect by
unknowing and entrenched institutions. Values and political systems are
often forged in turmoil and difficulty, but people who've grown up in
and around technology have seen an almost unbroken stretch of growth,
innovation and prosperity. Jefferson wrote that in times of peace and
prosperity, there is little need for politics. Not surprisingly, this
techno-civilization has little interest in the political systems that
still dominate society, so it radically underestimates their power and
has an inflated sense of its own. Having known only one reality, the
young and techno-savvy can't quite imagine any other. But the political
systems that dominate society have a keen interest in them, as a host of
new laws, regulations and legal initiatives are already demonstrating,
from the FBI's mail-sniffing program "Carnivore" to the Digital
Millennium Copyright Act. As a social grouping -- despite the handful of
protestors who made their way to Seattle and struggle to form public
interest groups online and off -- this culture has by and large rolled
over for greedy megacorporations in exchange for full employment and
technological capital. That makes it a vulnerable society too,
unprepared for the assaults just
around the corner. "How could they take my Napster away?" as that e-mail
wailed. "Who did it? Where did they come from?" As a culture, it
mistakes
mechanical skills -- like programming an operating system -- with
technological knowledge and power. It tolerates an alarming amount of
hostility and abuse, both of which make any political communications --
at least those in public.......
=======================================================
> --
> Bernd Paysan
> "If you want it done right, you have to do it yourself"
> http://www.jwdt.com/~paysan/
--
- Alex / blowfish.
--
- If Vi is God's editor. Then, God must have too much free time on his
hands,
lives a very dull and unproductive life; so he needs Vi to waste his
time.
But Vi was still too fast. So God created EMACS on the 8th day - which
takes
Eight Months to load, And Counting Still...
KISS rules. That's why I use Easy Edit (ee). Small. Simple and fast.
:-)
- The UN-GEEK CODE:(?What is a
geek?)-#!?+++??++++|$????+++++?????+++!!!!???+++---
geek + vi | ~/emacs
==>ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz!!!!!!!!!!.......:P~
newbies + Windoz | C:\LOOKOUT
EXPRESS==>_the_horrors_the_horrrrrrrroOOOOORRRRRRRRRSSSSsssss!!! :-|
- My SAS (Sing-A-Song)Fingerprint -v.i007bond: Doe1(-a deer a female
deer.) RaY2(- a drop of golden sun.)
Me3(- A name, I call myself.) FAr4(- A long, long way to run.) Sew5(-A
needle pulling thread.)
lA6(-A note to follow sew.) TeA7(-A drink with jam and bread.) That
will bring us back to DOe-oh-oh-oh...
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From: John Archibald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: modem
Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 22:08:41 GMT
Subject:
modem
Date:
Thu, 03 Aug 2000 23:06:59 +0100
From:
John Archibald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Newsgroups:
alt.os.linux.corel
Can someone advise me? I'vejust installed Corel/Linux but have came
to a halt at modem connection. After following the man. when trying to
connect two messages appear, "modem found" followed by "modem busy".
What the hell have I done wrong and what do I do to put it right?
Senex
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From: blowfish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: ..
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: FWD: Red Hat's CFO abandoning ship.
Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 15:17:52 -0700
John Hasler wrote:
>
> Phillip Lord writes:
> > ...rather than in capitalist state where the ruling class gain the
> > benefit from the fruits of their employees work.
>
> This of course is not capitalism but plutocracy.
>
> > Indeed Marx's definition...
>
> He mentioned communism, not Marxism (I favor neither, but communism at
> least makes sense).
If communism make sense. Then, why China - the last BIG communism
country in the world is opening up to capitalism!?
Coke. McDonald's, Levi's, Nike's, Mercedes Benz, BMWs, Audis, Rolex,
Marboro cigarettes, Pizza Huts, Sony tv, Avon (yes, the best selling
thing for the Chinese women in China!) are so popular in this communist
country?
Those are all symbos of major capitalism. No?
If communism is so wonderful. Then, why ship loads after ship loads of
Chinese are being smuggled into the land of capitalism!?
Get some REAL clue of what real FREEDOM means.
> --
> John Hasler
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Dancing Horse Hill
> Elmwood, Wisconsin
--
- Alex / blowfish.
--
- If Vi is God's editor. Then, God must have too much free time on his
hands,
lives a very dull and unproductive life; so he needs Vi to waste his
time.
But Vi was still too fast. So God created EMACS on the 8th day - which
takes
Eight Months to load, And Counting Still...
KISS rules. That's why I use Easy Edit (ee). Small. Simple and fast.
:-)
- The UN-GEEK CODE:(?What is a
geek?)-#!?+++??++++|$????+++++?????+++!!!!???+++---
geek + vi | ~/emacs
==>ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz!!!!!!!!!!.......:P~
newbies + Windoz | C:\LOOKOUT
EXPRESS==>_the_horrors_the_horrrrrrrroOOOOORRRRRRRRRSSSSsssss!!! :-|
- My SAS (Sing-A-Song)Fingerprint -v.i007bond: Doe1(-a deer a female
deer.) RaY2(- a drop of golden sun.)
Me3(- A name, I call myself.) FAr4(- A long, long way to run.) Sew5(-A
needle pulling thread.)
lA6(-A note to follow sew.) TeA7(-A drink with jam and bread.) That
will bring us back to DOe-oh-oh-oh...
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From: blowfish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: ..
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: FWD: Red Hat's CFO abandoning ship.
Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 15:29:43 -0700
Johan Kullstam wrote:
>
> Bernd Paysan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > We are now in a society that allows proprietary software.
>
> i would not use the word "allow". the united states (and other)
> government *actively* *enforces* copyrights. it's not a question of
> letting, say, microsoft keep its software to itself. this is police
> breaking down your door and rummaging through your stuff and
> potentially depriving you of your freedom in case they find you in
> violation of copyright.
>
You have NO RIGHT to own anything that doesn't belongs to you. Period.
> copyright and patents are examples of mercantilism -- trade through
> government sanctioned *and enforced* monopoly.
>
Okay. Let's pretend I agree with you. Okay.
Would you like to GNU-GPL your pay check to me forever?
Or would you mind to work for me for free forever?
> where government use or threat of force in maintaining this monopoly
> is removed (e.g., middle and far east), copying is wide-spread.
>
Think again. In China, they have executed (by firing squad, and even
charged their families for the bullets that the govt. executed them
with.) some guys who are major counterfeiters. Try to read some
international news, instead of drinking your free beer and watching MTV.
In the mid-east. The Islamic law will chop off your right hand, if you
steal with yoir right hand. And kill you if you are dope dealer.
Wake up. You've just sold yourself for the price of a free beer.
> > For our all
> > freedom, this is no good. The FSF wants to get to a more free society,
> > where there is no proprietary software anymore. They do so by using
> > copyright to protect their software from being "enslaved" again. Some of
> > the BSD whiners tell us that making derivatives proprietary isn't
> > "enslaving" the original software, which is still free. This is like
> > saying (in the south states, 150 years ago): "If you give your niggers
> > (TIC!) freedom, ok, but if they can't sell their childs as slaves, they
> > aren't really free".
>
> nice analogy. thanks.
>
> --
> J o h a n K u l l s t a m
> [[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> sysengr
--
- Alex / blowfish.
--
- If Vi is God's editor. Then, God must have too much free time on his
hands,
lives a very dull and unproductive life; so he needs Vi to waste his
time.
But Vi was still too fast. So God created EMACS on the 8th day - which
takes
Eight Months to load, And Counting Still...
KISS rules. That's why I use Easy Edit (ee). Small. Simple and fast.
:-)
- The UN-GEEK CODE:(?What is a
geek?)-#!?+++??++++|$????+++++?????+++!!!!???+++---
geek + vi | ~/emacs
==>ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz!!!!!!!!!!.......:P~
newbies + Windoz | C:\LOOKOUT
EXPRESS==>_the_horrors_the_horrrrrrrroOOOOORRRRRRRRRSSSSsssss!!! :-|
- My SAS (Sing-A-Song)Fingerprint -v.i007bond: Doe1(-a deer a female
deer.) RaY2(- a drop of golden sun.)
Me3(- A name, I call myself.) FAr4(- A long, long way to run.) Sew5(-A
needle pulling thread.)
lA6(-A note to follow sew.) TeA7(-A drink with jam and bread.) That
will bring us back to DOe-oh-oh-oh...
------------------------------
From: Xzera <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Math Coprocessor problem - Linux won't boot
Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 17:31:48 -0500
> The thing with most people's Lilo Installation is that they
>put it in the Master Boot Record or MBR. This unforcunatly disabled
>Windows. If you later do play with Liloconfig. select the loption
>labled
>Root Use superblock of the root Linux partition
>Floppy Use a formatted floppy disk in the boot drive
>The first would install Lilo in its own partition like you would
>install Msdos on a multi-os machine. if Linux was on /dev/hda2 it
>would put the lilo guts on /dev/hda2. you would boot it by making
>/dev/hda2 bootable.
> The second I have not tried yet.
I tried the floppy option and get a kernel panic, at first I thought it
was only because for some unknown reason lilo put hda5 (a dos partition)
instead of hda7 (Linux partition) as the root (according to
lilo.config). So I fixed that, but still it won't boot off a Lilo
floppy. Kernel panic again. I've installed Lilo on the MBR before, but
since it can't do it right on a floppy, no way am I going to put it in
the MBR, even though it would be easy enough (maybe) to get it back via
a Win98 boot disk, fdisk /MBR (I've had that fail before).
So I'm booting either from Winduhz, or a Dos 6.2 boot disk w/loadlin.
However, back to the original problem, I've, in my frustration (X only
runs in 8bit mode even with a Voodoo3), I got a new PIII chip. Same
thing.
386/387 couplling failed. resetting...
Now, I KNOW 2 new PIII's can't have a fried mathco. I'm thinking now
that it's the motherboard. I saw on another group where someone else had
the same problem and mentioned having a MoBo with the VIA chipset, as
does mine. This really p-----s me off, since the only reason I got what
I did (a MoBo w/o onboard everything, lots of slots) was so that I could
use whatever cards I want AND especially to load Linux. Heck, at least
I've gotten the dreaded Lynksys LAN to load (after building my own
drivers and pci-scan modules).
This is the toughest Linux install ever!!
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From: jtoy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.unix.shell,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.networking,linux.redhat.misc,alt.os.linux.caldera,comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: paging scripts and other Qs
Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 18:51:59 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I haven't used chat. Thanks!! Can I automate chat too?
Andrey Shapovalov wrote:
> A little program called "chat" comes to mind. It'll send and expect stuff
> from a serial port. I only used it w/pppd but I can't think of any reason it
> won't work by itself.
>
> "jtoy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > I was wondering if someone could give me an example of a bash script (or
> > somethig similar) that would page (via modem of course) me when
> > something goes wrong. Excuse my ignorance, but I know very little about
> > stuff like AT& ATD and all those other short ascii codes.
> >
> > Another question Offtopic,
> > I have built my own small network of primarily 486s with OpenBSD,
> > FreeBSD and Linux(Any other suggestions for good free OSes?).
>
> NetBSD, man.
>
> I have
> > made my own apache website, DNS with BIND, SMB data server, and sendmail
> > email server. I am building this stuff for knowledge and practice, but
> > I am running out of good ideas to keep building these machines. I only
> > want to build 486s (cheap, I bought a 486 50 mhz 16 mb ram, 503 mb hd
> > with monitor for $50) that have an actual use. I don't want to build a
> > server that doesn't do something that I won't actually use, only
> > servers that I can actually get work done on. For example, would having
> > a usenet server on a 486 be ok? Also, good you give me your ideas on
> > how to balance services on the servers(i.e. usenet and sendmail on 1
> > server, SMB and NCP on another). Thanks for your help!
> >
> > --
> > Jason Toy
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > http://toy.eyep.net
> >
> >
--
Jason Toy
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://toy.eyep.net
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (NF Stevens)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: FWD: Red Hat's CFO abandoning ship.
Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 22:43:35 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jay Maynard) wrote:
[snip]
> You seek to deny me the right to control my own
>work merely because it is an improvement on your work. This is not freedom.
>It is communism.
No, this is copyright law; as specifically enabled by the constitution
of that bastion of anti-communism, the US of A.
Norman
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From: blowfish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: ..
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: FWD: Red Hat's CFO abandoning ship.
Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 15:46:08 -0700
Bernd Paysan wrote:
>
> Johan Kullstam wrote:
> > this always happens. many people say that the united states of
> > america is a free country yet there are many things which are
> > illegal. you can't just go around killing people wantonly. you
> > cannot use many drugs. the first infringes upon other people's
> > freedom. the second, however, does not yet it is still forbidden.
> > free doesn't necessarily mean anarchy.
>
> In fact, anarchy often means the contrary of freedom. You may do what
> you want, but in fact, you are at war with your neighbours (or some
> boons who want to make the best out of this "freedom" by enslaving poor
> suckers that can't defend themselves). And being at war isn't exactly
> "freedom".
>
No, you're enslaving yourself with your twisted definition and
mis-guided
idealogy of what freedom really is all about.
You're totally clueless.
> BTW: Drugs do impact others. Many violent crimes are performed under
> influence of alcohol, so are many traffic accidents. Passive smoking
> causes cancer. Hard drugs such as heroine or cocaine make people unable
> to earn their live for themselves, and therefore creates thiefs and
> prostitutes (although being illegal is one of the main causes that these
> drugs are so expensive and have such an impact).
>
More prove that you're clueless.
Postitutes existed as long as the human race had.
Before any drugs, or your monocelled brain did. Do some history study.
> We are now in a society that allows proprietary software. For our all
> freedom, this is no good. The FSF wants to get to a more free society,
> where there is no proprietary software anymore. They do so by using
> copyright to protect their software from being "enslaved" again. Some of
> the BSD whiners tell us that making derivatives proprietary isn't
> "enslaving" the original software, which is still free. This is like
> saying (in the south states, 150 years ago): "If you give your niggers
> (TIC!) freedom, ok, but if they can't sell their childs as slaves, they
> aren't really free".
>
Yeah. Tell Linus Travor (?spelling?) to quit his job at Transmeta, and
code the 2.4 kernel du jour.
See if Alan Cox will keep coding for Linux if he won't get a nice pay
check every month!?
Tell Larry Augustine (VA Linux) to sell his Lambroghini sports car, and
donate the money to the FSF!
Try get a tiny bit of clue about life. For your own sake!
If you don't have to pay for something doesn't mean that thing is
"free." But somebody else is *paying* for it.
> --
> Bernd Paysan
> "If you want it done right, you have to do it yourself"
> http://www.jwdt.com/~paysan/
--
- Alex / blowfish.
--
- If Vi is God's editor. Then, God must have too much free time on his
hands,
lives a very dull and unproductive life; so he needs Vi to waste his
time.
But Vi was still too fast. So God created EMACS on the 8th day - which
takes
Eight Months to load, And Counting Still...
KISS rules. That's why I use Easy Edit (ee). Small. Simple and fast.
:-)
- The UN-GEEK CODE:(?What is a
geek?)-#!?+++??++++|$????+++++?????+++!!!!???+++---
geek + vi | ~/emacs
==>ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz!!!!!!!!!!.......:P~
newbies + Windoz | C:\LOOKOUT
EXPRESS==>_the_horrors_the_horrrrrrrroOOOOORRRRRRRRRSSSSsssss!!! :-|
- My SAS (Sing-A-Song)Fingerprint -v.i007bond: Doe1(-a deer a female
deer.) RaY2(- a drop of golden sun.)
Me3(- A name, I call myself.) FAr4(- A long, long way to run.) Sew5(-A
needle pulling thread.)
lA6(-A note to follow sew.) TeA7(-A drink with jam and bread.) That
will bring us back to DOe-oh-oh-oh...
------------------------------
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: FWD: Red Hat's CFO abandoning ship.
From: Johan Kullstam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 22:47:55 GMT
blowfish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Johan Kullstam wrote:
> >
> > Bernd Paysan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >
> > > We are now in a society that allows proprietary software.
> >
> > i would not use the word "allow". the united states (and other)
> > government *actively* *enforces* copyrights. it's not a question of
> > letting, say, microsoft keep its software to itself. this is police
> > breaking down your door and rummaging through your stuff and
> > potentially depriving you of your freedom in case they find you in
> > violation of copyright.
> >
>
> You have NO RIGHT to own anything that doesn't belongs to
> you. Period.
i don't understand your comment. maintaining copyright requires
vigorous and active enforcement. this enforcement goes beyond what is
usual for physical items. does pointing this out disturb you?
> > copyright and patents are examples of mercantilism -- trade through
> > government sanctioned *and enforced* monopoly.
> >
> Okay. Let's pretend I agree with you. Okay.
>
> Would you like to GNU-GPL your pay check to me forever?
what does pointing out that copyright and patents are mercantilistic
have to do with your question?
> Or would you mind to work for me for free forever?
again, relevance?
> > where government use or threat of force in maintaining this monopoly
> > is removed (e.g., middle and far east), copying is wide-spread.
> >
> Think again. In China, they have executed (by firing squad, and even
> charged their families for the bullets that the govt. executed them
> with.) some guys who are major counterfeiters. Try to read some
> international news, instead of drinking your free beer and watching
> > MTV.
how about the united states until the turn of the century? the US
ignored european copyrights and patents. in fact the US revolution
was in large part fought in order to escape these devices.
> In the mid-east. The Islamic law will chop off your right hand, if you
> steal with yoir right hand. And kill you if you are dope dealer.
it depends upon what you consider property. for example, in turkey
or syria, you enter a record shop, choose the LP or CD you like. pay
the guy in store who proceeds to tape it for you. the shop keeps the
disk. you take the tape home. the turks and syrians seem to have a
different concept of what is property and what can be possessed.
if you can't own it, you can't be stealing it right?
> Wake up. You've just sold yourself for the price of a free beer.
i have? what have i done? all i've said is:
1) copyright and patents are mercanitilism. this is by definition.
2) copyright and patents require active and intrusive enforcement by
government. this is obvious by observation.
do these statements somehow threaten your worldview?
--
J o h a n K u l l s t a m
[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Don't Fear the Penguin!
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From: "Pat Parsons" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: how to install manufacturers drivers?
Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 17:49:22 -0700
I got a motherboard with Linux drivers on a CDROM. Does anyone know how to
install them? Thanks
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