Linux-Setup Digest #331, Volume #19 Sat, 5 Aug 00 17:13:15 EDT
Contents:
Re: FWD: Red Hat's CFO abandoning ship. (Robert Krawitz)
How to Compile Software Sources- Where are all the lib's in RH6.2???? ("Phillip J.
Allen")
Re: FWD: Red Hat's CFO abandoning ship. (Johan Kullstam)
Re: FWD: Red Hat's CFO abandoning ship. (Robert Krawitz)
attempt to setup modem with setserial ... gives IO error ("Jack Kessler")
Two USB radios possible on 1 computer? (Six)
Re: The Rage Fury Xpert2000 is not yet supported with Red Hat 6.2, (Paul Lew)
Re: Will do almost anything for help (theBuddy1)
Newbie - Parition Sizes ("Julio C. Rincon")
Why does lp.0 module show "not used" with lsmod? (Albert Wagner)
Re: FWD: Red Hat's CFO abandoning ship. (phil hunt)
Re: FWD: Red Hat's CFO abandoning ship. (phil hunt)
Re: User and Group Permissions (Graham Brereton)
Re: Newbie - Parition Sizes (Michael Mitchell)
Re: FWD: Red Hat's CFO abandoning ship. (Phillip Lord)
Re: Dual boot ("D. C. & M. V. Sessions")
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From: Robert Krawitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: FWD: Red Hat's CFO abandoning ship.
Date: 05 Aug 2000 15:16:51 -0400
blowfish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> phil hunt wrote:
> > Yes, and other people can't. So it isn't free. A free market implies lots
> > of independent buyers asnd sellers. The *whole* point of copyright is to
> > give someone an artificial monopoly in a good.
> >
> Yes. A free market implies lots of buyers and sellers.
>
> BUT.......
>
> It never implies that anybody can sell anything which they don't own, or
> created, or have legal title to.
This is a circular argument, and not really relevant to what we're
talking about anyway.
As for the relevance part: just because a market is illegal doesn't
make it not fit the definition of a free market.
The claim at hand is that copyright interferes with the workings of a
truly free market by forbidding others from making copies and selling
them (giving one person an artificial monopoly in the good).
A free market implies free dealing among informed, competitive buyers
and sellers, with freedom to enter and exit the market. A copyright
distorts this by forbidding other potential sellers from joining the
market. Therefore, there cannot be a competitive market for, say,
Microsoft Windows, because only one entity is allowed to sell it.
Someone else cannot (legally) enter the market selling their own
copies of it. Nor can someone enter the market for variants of
Windows, because copyright covers derived works as well as original
works.
So the argument that copyright doesn't destroy the free market because
those potential other sellers cannot enter the market because it's not
legal is circular: it's the presence of copyright law in the first
place that forbids it.
That isn't in and of itself saying that copyright is bad, or that it's
good. I am not a libertarian; I don't believe that free markets are
an end unto themselves. Free markets tend to have problems where
there are external effects not accountable for in the market. For
example, someone entering the chemical business sets up a plant that
pollutes the air. The market for chemicals doesn't take this into
account.
The idea behind copyright is that the absence of this restriction the
price that can be charged for the good in question is low enough so
that it discourages the creation of new works, and that greater
creation of new works outweighs the loss in freedom and the higher
prices paid by buyers. The marginal cost of production of another
copy of a book (much less an MP3) is tiny, so in the absence of
copyright, the original creators of a song or program would never be
able to recover their investment.
The latter is surely true. I'm never going to recover my investment
in gimp-print (time, ink cartridges, paper). But on the other hand,
money isn't what motivated me to do it; having it available to allow
people (not least of whom is myself) to print under Linux/UNIX is. I
think copyright goes too far in the other direction and ignores the
inherent creativity that lurks in many people.
--
Robert Krawitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.tiac.net/users/rlk/
Tall Clubs International -- http://www.tall.org/ or 1-888-IM-TALL-2
Member of the League for Programming Freedom -- mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Project lead for The Gimp Print -- http://gimp-print.sourceforge.net
"Linux doesn't dictate how I work, I dictate how Linux works."
--Eric Crampton
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Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 14:10:51 -0500
From: "Phillip J. Allen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: How to Compile Software Sources- Where are all the lib's in RH6.2????
Hi
I am still pretty new to C programming and compiling. But when
configuring the install process, one typically needs to identify the
location of all the library files.
On a RedHat 6.2 system how just do I figure out where all the lib files
are (x and everything else under the sun)?? I would really get a thrill
if I could just get one single little program to compile!
Thanks
Phillip J. Allen
e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: FWD: Red Hat's CFO abandoning ship.
From: Johan Kullstam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 19:11:38 GMT
blowfish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> John Hasler wrote:
> >
> > blowfish writes:
> > > Copyright does not interfers with free market.
> >
> > The express purpose of copyright is to suppress the free market in copies
> > of copyrighted works.
>
> Here we go again!
>
> The express purpose of copyright is to keep the *FREE LOADERS* away. So,
> the copyright owner can sell his/her work in the FREE MARKET, or allow
> it to be used under their own FREE will.
no, the express purpose of copyright is to stimulate innovation and
eventually add that knowledge to the world. look up the clause in the
united states constitution some time. it most certainly does suppress
the free market. if it makes some people rich is beside the point.
--
J o h a n K u l l s t a m
[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Don't Fear the Penguin!
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From: Robert Krawitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: FWD: Red Hat's CFO abandoning ship.
Date: 05 Aug 2000 15:21:39 -0400
blowfish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> John Hasler wrote:
> >
> > blowfish writes:
> > > Copyright does not interfers with free market.
> >
> > The express purpose of copyright is to suppress the free market in copies
> > of copyrighted works.
>
> Here we go again!
>
> The express purpose of copyright is to keep the *FREE LOADERS* away. So,
> the copyright owner can sell his/her work in the FREE MARKET, or allow
> it to be used under their own FREE will.
>
> Kapish!
No, because the definition of a "free market" says nothing about "free
loaders" one way or the other.
Everyone's a free loader to some extent, in that they use the
infrastructure that exists. People free load from the day they're
born -- it couldn't be otherwise, a human infant cannot take care of
itself. We don't as individuals all have to go out and grow our own
food, hunt our own meat, build our own tools to chop down our own
trees to build our own houses.
There are a lot of people who seem more concerned about people free
loading than they are about simply living comfortably themselves. I
honestly believe that a lot of people would willingly reduce their own
standard of living if only it would get rid of "free loaders". That's
the theory behind a lot of silly tax shelters: people would rather
reduce their after-tax income if it means paying less taxes to begin
with.
--
Robert Krawitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.tiac.net/users/rlk/
Tall Clubs International -- http://www.tall.org/ or 1-888-IM-TALL-2
Member of the League for Programming Freedom -- mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Project lead for The Gimp Print -- http://gimp-print.sourceforge.net
"Linux doesn't dictate how I work, I dictate how Linux works."
--Eric Crampton
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From: "Jack Kessler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: attempt to setup modem with setserial ... gives IO error
Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 12:52:23 -0700
Per modem manufacturer technical support instruction I entered
cat /proc/pci | more
and noted the IO address of the modem. Then
setserial /dev/ttyS3 port [IO address, in this case 0xd400] spd_vhi
skip_test auto_irq autoconfig
This produces the error message "input output error". The instructions go
on about what to do if there is no error, but are silent about what to do if
there is. I would be vastly grateful for any suggestions. Thanks.
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From: Six <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.questions,comp.os.linux
Subject: Two USB radios possible on 1 computer?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 20:13:47 GMT
I don't have linux, but if this can be done, I'll get it.
I want to have two D-link USB radio devices on the same computer.
(www.dlink.com)
I want to use a multitracking program, like multitrack?, that will let
me record off both radios at the same time. I have done this with
Win98 with two different brands of radios(USB radio and a Gemtek
radio). There are some problems I have with this setup:
1. Can't record more than 2gb at a time(no large file support?). I'd
like to record for about 6 hours at a time, from each radio device,
which equals about 3.5gb from 1 device alone. I've got the space.
Win2000 can handle large files, but it has problems working with 2
sound cards at the same time.
2. Crashes frequently. Very frustrating to see 1 hour of saving go
by and then it's all for naught.
3. The program for the dlink radio itself. I can't run 2 instances
of it under windows. Even if I could, how could I assign which
program controls which radio? It won't work.
Will linux be able to help me? Thanks.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul Lew)
Subject: Re: The Rage Fury Xpert2000 is not yet supported with Red Hat 6.2,
Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 20:23:48 GMT
On Sat, 5 Aug 2000 11:45:58 -0700, Jack Kessler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>No it means you should upgrade to their even hotter model, the Annoyance
>Irritation Newbie 1989
>
>Maybe it's called the Rage Fury because that's what you'll be feeling after
>trying to use it, and Xpert because you'll have to be to get it to work?
>
>Dave Stacey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:9rqi5.2083$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> Does this mean there is no point in installing Linux?
>>
>>
>
>
Read somewhere the xpert2000 is supported in xfree 3.3.6....
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From: theBuddy1 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Will do almost anything for help
Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 01:54:16 +0530
On Sat, 5 Aug 2000 14:38:14 +0200, "Dirk T. Verbeek"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>"Gary Basin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> Ok, I'm writing this from my old 486 laptop. I need help, really really
>bad. I
>> tried installing Mandrake 6.0 on my Compaq 500mhz k7 w/ 384mb of ram. I
>put in
>> the CD, and then went to some setup exe under some folder called LINXtoWIN
>or
>> WINtoLINX or something. Then it said it had updated my config.sys (I got
>> spooked) and then was restarting. It restarted and brought me to the
>Mandrake
>> setup screen. I thought eveything was OK so I went along with the
>installation.
>> When I got to the part where I add linux partitions I realized I had a
>small
>> problem. I have 2 hard drives; a 10 gb main one for whatever and a 2 gb
>system
>> one for whatever swap or other space I need. Disk Druid wouldn't let me
>> partition my Quantum Fireball 10 gb nor the 2 gb (it wasn't letting me
>change
>> the setting on the size of the partition). I thought that I'd just restart
>into
>> Windows and get some partition software and go back and install. I was
>terribly
>> wrong. I figured out there was no proper way to exit the installation to I
>just
>> flipped the switch on my APC. My comp started, showed the little compaq
>logo on
>> startup before windows logo like it always does, and then brought me to
>the
>> mandrake setup screen. I went nuts. I tried everything, for hours. I can't
>even
>> get a boot disk to do the trick (it doesn't even check for disks in the
>disk
>> drive). Only thing I can do is open my BIOS setup screen which proves
>useless.
>> I do have [on my mandrake setup screen] a little prompt at the bottom that
>is
>> supposed to let me boot a kernel image, but the only one it seems to be
>able to
>> find is linux... I'm pretty sure something is amiss with my config.sys or
>boot
>> sector but I have no idea how to fix it or even access it. I need windows
>(I
>> have some very important software that I'm writing for it, and no, sadly,
>it's
>> not backed up [i know, im an idiot]). I just want to get rid of this linux
>> setup and get back to windows, just how it was before. If someone can help
>me
>> I'll do anything I possibly can, this is really important and I'm
>basically
>> screwed without the files on my desktop and some of my windows apps. I'll
>do
>> almost anything for help, PLEASE.
>>
>> - Gary Basin
>>
>> Gary Basin
>> -Programming Monkey-
>> Go Monkey
>
hey gary,
guess what?? u r screwed. listen to what i am saying very carefully. u
must understand the things i am saying. for further help, contact me
thru email at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Ok, so i have done this about a 1000 times and know how it can feel(I
didnt sleep for 2 days as i was on the pc). what u need now is time, a
windows cd(maybe u will need it), a windows boot disk(if u dont have
one, then get it from someone, or just go to www.bootdisk.com and
download the files needed and follow the instructions), and a little
patience.
first thing to do is, if u were trying to install linux from a cd, is
to take out the cd and try to boot. or take our the floppy. this may
work.
now there are lots of things to try out. the first is to go back into
the linux setup, and try installing linux. i am sure it will let u
install. this can be taken as the last step, if everything else fails.
i dont know why i am writing this first. so, anyway, if it comes to
that, try getting a person from some Linux User Group (LUG) and doing
it with him.
so ok, first thing, u get into the BIOS Setup, and see that the
settings are set the way we want them to be, and the way we want them
to be is that the system should boot from a floppy first. this is
vital. ur floppy drive would most probably be A:. So, like, you should
tell the BIOS to boot from A,C SCSI. or something like that. now,
after thats done. u simply boot with the floppy and when u get to an
A:\ prompt, u change to the drive C, and then type fdisk /mbr. then
reboot. this should solve ur problem
now, in the rare case that this doesnt, u r an idiot. check that u
have done everything properly. if it still doesnt work, all ur work
may be lost( though i dont think so). u will have to reinstall
windows(which normally will just install over the previous one,
overwriting the mbr). do this, and u r in.
these steps should solve ur problem. if they dont, a very very slim
chance of that happening, then u should follow the step mentioned
earlier, that is trying to install linux.
if everything fails, congratulations, u have succeeded in doing what i
have not been able to do in almost a 100 attempts.
btw, if i solve your problem, drop me a mail. and try to send me the
software u were building for it.
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From: "Julio C. Rincon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Newbie - Parition Sizes
Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 20:32:55 GMT
I am about to setup my partitions but I am having trouble figuring out
the recommeded sizes for each partition. Some websites seem to be out
of date and only talk about small harddrives, while other sites talk
about total usage. This is what I have so far:
Partitions:
Swap 128MB (this is my current pc memory)
root (/) 150MB (I've seen recommendation of 100-200MB)
/home ?
/var ?
/usr 850MB
/usr/local ?
/boot 16MB
I am setting aside 2GB of space on my harddrive for the Red Hat Linux
distribution.
I haven't been able to find much info on /home, /var or /usr/local
sizes. Most Install docs & books that I've looked at don't mention how
Linux configures the /home, /var or /usr/local partitions.
Any help is appreciated!
Julio.
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From: Albert Wagner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Why does lp.0 module show "not used" with lsmod?
Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 15:43:02 -0600
I have thrashed thru lsmod, insmod, etc., trying to get my printer to
work. It worked right after I first used insmod for parport.o,
parport_probe, and lp.0. But it doesn't work after reboot. Why does lp
below show unused? How do I get it "used"?
$ lsmod
Module Size Used by
parport_probe 2980 0 (autoclean) (unused)
lp 4476 0 (autoclean) (unused)
parport 7124 0 (autoclean) [parport_probe lp]
awe_wave 157804 0
sb 33620 0
uart401 5968 0 [sb]
sound 57240 0 [awe_wave sb uart401]
soundlow 300 0 [sound]
soundcore 2372 7 [sb sound]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (phil hunt)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: FWD: Red Hat's CFO abandoning ship.
Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 02:41:30 +0100
On Fri, 04 Aug 2000 15:00:59 -0700, blowfish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>Then, the natives in E. Timor got tired of being ruled by "outsider.",
>and tired of the Chinese-Indosians controlling much of the economy. They
>rebelled.
This isn't quite true. East Timor was an independent country, which Indonesia
invaded and occupied.
--
*****[ Phil Hunt ]*****
** The RIAA want to ban Napster -- so boycott the music industry! **
** Don't buy CDs during August; see http://boycott-riaa.com/ **
** Spread the word: Put this message in your sig. **
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (phil hunt)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: FWD: Red Hat's CFO abandoning ship.
Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 02:48:57 +0100
On Fri, 04 Aug 2000 15:16:22 -0700, blowfish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>phil hunt wrote:
>> > No. You're incorrect.
>> >
>> >Copyright does not interfers with free market. In fact, copy rights
>> >support free market. Because the copyrights owner can sell his/her work
>> >any which ways s/he wants.
>>
>> Yes, and other people can't. So it isn't free. A free market implies lots
>> of independent buyers asnd sellers. The *whole* point of copyright is to
>> give someone an artificial monopoly in a good.
>>
>Yes. A free market implies lots of buyers and sellers.
>
>BUT.......
>
>It never implies that anybody can sell anything which they don't own, or
>created, or have legal title to.
>
>That's why you cannot sell stolen property in Harrod's, or set up shop
>on Union Street, or the Piccadily Square; or put up a booth right
>outside of 10, Downing Street, in London.
But I could make a house that's an exact copy of 10 downing street, and
sell that!
Assume copyright doesn't exist: Then if I, on media that I do own, make a
copy of some information, then I am selling something I do own.
--
*****[ Phil Hunt ]*****
** The RIAA want to ban Napster -- so boycott the music industry! **
** Don't buy CDs during August; see http://boycott-riaa.com/ **
** Spread the word: Put this message in your sig. **
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From: Graham Brereton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.os.linux.mandrake,comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.questions
Subject: Re: User and Group Permissions
Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 21:50:19 +0100
creategroup admin
chmod -R g+rw /path
chgrp -R .admin /path
gpasswd -a user admin (repeat as appropriate)
Mark wrote:
>
> This may seem fairly trivial to someone who knows how to do it, but how do I
> assign more than group to a directory structure or file.
>
> Or if this is not possible, the following scenario if effectively what I
> want to do. I want to allow everyone in the "admin" group to have read write
> access to a directory structure and have everyone in the "normal_user" group
> to just have read access whilst everyone else is denied access.
>
> Thankyou. Regards,
>
> Mark
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From: Michael Mitchell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Newbie - Parition Sizes
Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 20:55:19 GMT
You didn't say which installation you were using. If your hardrive size is
not a factor then setup a swap file, and a / and /boot partition and let
linux set up its on partitions
"Julio C. Rincon" wrote:
> I am about to setup my partitions but I am having trouble figuring out
> the recommeded sizes for each partition. Some websites seem to be out
> of date and only talk about small harddrives, while other sites talk
> about total usage. This is what I have so far:
>
> Partitions:
> Swap 128MB (this is my current pc memory)
> root (/) 150MB (I've seen recommendation of 100-200MB)
> /home ?
> /var ?
> /usr 850MB
> /usr/local ?
> /boot 16MB
>
> I am setting aside 2GB of space on my harddrive for the Red Hat Linux
> distribution.
> I haven't been able to find much info on /home, /var or /usr/local
> sizes. Most Install docs & books that I've looked at don't mention how
> Linux configures the /home, /var or /usr/local partitions.
>
> Any help is appreciated!
>
> Julio.
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From: Phillip Lord <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: FWD: Red Hat's CFO abandoning ship.
Date: 05 Aug 2000 22:15:39 +0100
>>>>> "blowfish" == blowfish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
blowfish> If you try to set up a booth right outside of 10, Downing
blowfish> Street to sell stolen property. I'm sure Tony will have a
blowfish> few choiced words with you, and have you escorted away by
blowfish> Bobbies. ;-)
Well Tony already did this inside number 10. The racism and
bigotry he stole from Thatcher, the complete absence of any real
policies from Major. The "third way" rhetoric may not be stolen, but
as he appears to have found up his ass, I am not sure that this is
anything to boast about.
Phil
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From: "D. C. & M. V. Sessions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Dual boot
Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 10:17:37 -0700
RS wrote:
>
> I am going to attempt to install win98 and linux red hat 6.2 on a 8.4 WD
> HDD. I have split the WD and made 2 partitions. If I let linux go into the
> MBR..... If i decide I don't want a dual boot then is it easy to get LILO
> out of the mbr? what actions would have to be taken to remove it? Thanks for
> your time in advance, boiski
I have come to the conclusion that LILO in the MBR is basically
evil. Instead, I always load LILO in the beginning of the boot
partition, which has never failed me and leaves the disk maximally
ready for multiboot (not that I multiboot, but who knows?)
--
| Bogus as it might seem, people, this really is a deliverable |
| e-mail address. Of course, there isn't REALLY a lumber cartel. |
| There isn't really a tooth fairy, but whois toothfairy.com works. |
+----------- D. C. & M. V. Sessions <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ----------+
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