Linux-Setup Digest #354, Volume #19 Tue, 8 Aug 00 21:13:10 EDT
Contents:
Configuring Kernel ("Warren Cundy")
Re: SCSI problem....... (Tony Quinn)
I need a bootCD!! ("Simon Lemieux")
missing libfont.so.1 on Mandrake 7.0 (Andrey Kaganovsky)
Re: cdrom inst ("Lonni J. Friedman")
Re: SuperUser equivalent (Dardo D Kleiner)
Re: FWD: Red Hat's CFO abandoning ship. (blowfish)
Re: FWD: Red Hat's CFO abandoning ship. (blowfish)
problem setting up USB (Aseem Asthana)
Re: Linux 4 Windows and Linux Mandrake questions (Scott Jack)
Re: .bash_logout for su ... (ljb)
Re: FWD: Red Hat's CFO abandoning ship. (blowfish)
Re: FWD: Red Hat's CFO abandoning ship. (blowfish)
Re: FWD: Red Hat's CFO abandoning ship. (blowfish)
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From: "Warren Cundy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Configuring Kernel
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 16:09:57 -0700
Hi All,
I'm running a version Caldera OpenLinux 2.3, and I'm trying to reconfigure
the kernel. The book it came with (Caldera OpenLinux Unleashed), is not
really helping. All FAQ's I can find on the subject make reference to a
"make config", "make menuconfig" or "make xconfig" commands, but my
directories don't exactly match as far as /usr/src/linux.2.2.10, etc, and
I've searched all around the src directories and I can't run "make" from any
of them...
Under COAS (Caldera OpenLinux Admin Something :) there is a kernel config
option, but it only seems to relate to hardware.
Specifically I'm trying to install some firewalling tools.
Thanks
-Warren
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From: Tony Quinn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: SCSI problem.......
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 00:00:16 +0100
In article
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
James Turner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes
>I just installed this card today on my system! I copied the settings from
>the values windoze 98 gives it. I added the following line to my
>lilo.conf:
>
>append aha152x=0x140,9,7,1
>
>I think. The IRQ might be different, but I definitely used the 0x140
>address. Try that.
No - I know the card settings, there WAS a typo in the original post,
but I'll try it again when the current unstoppable (lose all results)
prime factorisation test routine finishes tomorrow.
>
>Also, you have to add to your kernel the aha152x part directly into the
>kernel and not as a module, and perhaps other things like scsi support and
>CDROM support and generic support. It then picked it up, and the CD writer
>connected that's connected to it.
Custom built kernel - no modules - everything I require compiled into it
... everything I don't ignored!
--
============================================================
Tony Quinn --- The Voice Of Insanity
replies to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "Simon Lemieux" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: I need a bootCD!!
Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 23:23:02 GMT
Hi,
I just made the biggest mistake of my life... I installed windows on my
linux box... I've done this a few times and I thought I really knew how to
deal with this kind of hard work, but for one detail... Windows erased LILO
at installation.
Now I can only boot Windows, no more LILO prompt... What I need is a
bootable floppy to /sbin/lilo! but I don't have a floppy drive...
So here it is... I don't have access to any linux box, I CAN'T
reinstall my linux stuff, I got lots of documents I can't afford to loose...
I know there is a way to convert a boot image (boot.img) into a iso image
(CDboot.iso)... But I can't do it...
Can someone point me to somewhere I could download a bootable CD, just a
booter so I can run /sbin/lilo... or if it doesn't exist, oh my god... Why
oh why did I install Windows??
Thanks in advance,
Simon Lemieux
Also, I'm not familiar with Windows newsgroup reading... sending the
response to [EMAIL PROTECTED] would be very apreciated! Thanks again!
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From: Andrey Kaganovsky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: missing libfont.so.1 on Mandrake 7.0
Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 23:40:59 GMT
After I re-booted my Mandrake 7.0 host, I can't bring up KDE up anymore.
When I run 'startx', I am receiving error message about missing shared
lib libfont.so.1. I have checked the second Mandrake 7.0 box (which is
fully identical to the first one), and found that /usr/X11R6/lib/libfont.so.1
is just a link to libfont.so.1.3. I have copied libfont.so.1.3 to the
first box, verified that permissions are OK, and linked
# cd /usr/X11R6/lib
# ln -s libfont.so.1.3 libfont.so.1
Well, startx still doesn't work, and the error message is still the same ..
What should I do to get the X coming up ?
Thanks in advance.
Andray
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From: "Lonni J. Friedman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: cdrom inst
Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 18:55:01 -0400
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> After setup cdrom is not detected by red hat.How do i configure it
> again?
There shouldn't be anything to configure, if its a normal IDE CD-ROM
drive. Just specify which IDE channel its on, and you're done.
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From: Dardo D Kleiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: linux.redhat,comp.os.linux.admin
Subject: Re: SuperUser equivalent
Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 19:52:25 -0400
A much better way is to install "sudo" and explicitly permit your other
admins to do only particular tasks.
Start at: http://www.courtesan.com/sudo/
- D
Guy-Armand Kamendje wrote:
> Jon Larsson wrote:
> >
> > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > > This is also the case wiht other binaries. How can I get my system
> > > behaving the way I will like it to do?
> >
> > If you really want to do this - and I can't see why you would - then the
> > simplest way is this (do this as root):
> > 1. Edit /etc/passwd with your favourite editor.
> > 2. Copy the line containing root and paste the copy right underneath the
> > original.
> > 3. Replace the username (root) with whatever you want - in this case
> > admin.
> > 4. Save the file.
> > 5. Run "passwd admin" to change the password of your new user.
> > 6. Run pwconv just to make sure the new user's password is shadowed.
> >
> > / Jon
> >
> > -----
> > The box said "Requires Windows 95 or better", so I installed Linux!
> >
> > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> > Before you buy.
> Thanks it works !
> --
> G.A. Kamendje || Tel +43 316 873 55 51
> T-U Graz || www.sbox.tu-graz.ac.at/home/g/gaillard/
> I.A.I.K ||www.iaik.at/people/gkamendje/gkamendje.html
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From: blowfish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: ..
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: FWD: Red Hat's CFO abandoning ship.
Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 17:17:31 -0700
Christopher Browne wrote:
>
> Centuries ago, Nostradamus foresaw a time when blowfish would say:
> >Robert Krawitz wrote:
> >> blowfish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >> > Robert Krawitz wrote:
> >>
> >> > > > Take Boeing as an example. If they go the free software route, they can
> >> > > > save millions in software costs, but they decided against it, because
> >> > > > it's not practical for such a big international corp to switch
> >> > > > everything, tens of thousands of employees in numourous countries, and,
> >> > > > the trainning costs and time loss will far outcosted the cost saving in
> >> > > > free software.
> >> > >
> >> > > That's quite a different issue.
> >> >
> >> > That's part of the total costs too. Isn't it!?
> >>
> >> Of course it is, but that has nothing to do with free vs. proprietary
> >> software; it's a matter of frictional losses in retraining on anything.
> >
> >But we're discussoing the overall values of "free" vs. propriety
> >software. Ain't we?
>
> No, the discussion is about the relative costs of the different
> varieties of software.
>
> >So. That should be part of the total equation too.
>
> Frictional losses resulting from retraining on _anything_ are incurred
> regardless of whether you work with free software or non-free software.
>
> If deploying Windows 2000 results in a retraining bill of $4K per employee
> due to the differences between W2K and WNT, whilst deploying Linux results
> in a retraining bill of $4K per employee due to the differences between
> Linux and WNT, the relative difference between deploying W2K and Linux
> would be $0.
>
> That's not guaranteed to be the result; the numbers could well be
> different from "$4K and $4K." But if the differences in software license
> costs are high enoughs, that can mean that if Linux retraining is only
> moderately more than W2K retraining, Linux proves less expensive overall.
>
> On the other hand, deploying W2K in an environment where Unix is heavily
> used is likely to result in _vastly_ more expensive training costs than
> a deployment of Linux in that environment. In such a case, it is quite
> easy for deployment of Linux to be economically dominant over deployment
> of W2K.
>
No. I'm not talking about anything from M$. I don't use anything M$
anymore for a couple of years. W2K is of zero importance to me.
NO DUAL BOOT HERE.
Only SuSE Linux. *BSD, and Solaris here.
> A competent overall evaluation of the net costs requires looking at
> a host of different kinds of costs simultaneously, combined via some
> cash flow model. Preferably with some modicum of actuarial analysis.
> Those that aren't familiar with Net Present Values, or who don't know what
> an actuary is, are liable to find it a daunting task to competently read
> such an analysis. This discussion is not leading towards anything other
> than terribly fragmented analyses from which _no_ overall conclusions
> may be drawn.
> --
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] - <http://www.hex.net/~cbbrowne/lsf.html>
> ASSEMBLER is a language. Any language that can take a half-dozen
> keystrokes and compile it down to one byte of code is all right in my
> books. Though for the REAL programmer, assembler is a waste of
> time. Why use a compiler when you can code directly into memory
> through a front panel.
--
- Alex / blowfish.- Just an average, whimpy, non-geek American computer
user.
(Have Fun with geek's culture: Part-1.)
--
- If Vi is God's editor. Then, God must have too much free time on his
hands,
lives a very dull and unproductive life; so he needs Vi to waste his
time.
But Vi was still too fast. So God created EMACS on the 8th day - which
takes
Eight Months to load, And Counting Still...
- The UN-GEEK CODE:(?What is a
geek?)-#!?+++??++++|$????+++++?????+++!!!!???+++---
geek + vi | ~/emacs
==>ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz!!!!!!!!!!.......:P~
newbies + Windoz | C:\LOOKOUT
EXPRESS==>_the_horrors_the_horrrrrrrroOOOOORRRRRRRRRSSSSsssss!!! :-|
- My SAS (Sing-A-Song) Fingerprint -v.i007.bond: Doe1(-a deer, a female
deer.) RaY2(- a drop of golden sun.)
Me3(- A name, I call myself.) FAr4(- A long, long way to run.) Sew5(-A
needle pulling thread.)
lA6(-A note to follow sew.) TeA7(-A drink with jam and bread.) That
will bring us back to DOe-oh-oh-oh...
(c)Copyrighted by Alex / blowfish. 2000.
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From: blowfish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: ..
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: FWD: Red Hat's CFO abandoning ship.
Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 17:20:18 -0700
Christopher Browne wrote:
>
> Centuries ago, Nostradamus foresaw a time when blowfish would say:
> >> And if company tax is lower - in some places it may be as low as 30% -
> >> then the reward for buying and tax-deducting is not attractive.
> >>
> >Put it on business loss.
> >
> >Find a good accountant.
> >
> >I am not an accountant. Or tax consultant. But business loss is legit
> >deduction.
>
> I am also not an accountant, by profession. However, accounting _was_
> one of my majors (along with computer science) in the undergrad degree
> I was granted, and I prepared, during that timeframe, _hundreds_ of
> tax returns, so I surely ought to have _some_ degree of cluefulness
> about this.
>
> What I _am_ fairly certain of is that you sure are showing off lots
> of evidence of being utterly unqualified to be either an accountant
> or a tax consultant; the amount you're describing as a "business loss"
> is _not_ going to fly with the tax authorities.
>
> Business expenses are typically _deductible_, which is a term that has a
> reasonably precise meaning. It does _not_ mean that they may be deducted
> from the tax _bill_. _That_ particular scenario is generally described
> using the term "tax credit." Instead, business expenses are deducted
> from taxable _income_.
>
> If the tax rate is 40%, then that means the reduction in the tax bill
> is 40% of the business expense.
>
> Thus, if you paid a business expense of $1000, your tax bill diminishes
> by $400. The remaining $600 that got paid out is _your problem._ It's
> not a "deduction." It's not a "business loss." It's an AMOUNT YOU PAID,
> and that's _your problem._
>
> I'm not going to say anything more on this thread; if you are incapable
> of understanding what is described in this article, then it is fairly
> evident that you would be incompetent to run a business, certainly not
> without the aid of a competent accountant. Furthermore, if you can't
> grasp this bit of basic taxation, you're likely not competent to run a
> business even _with_ the aid of a competent accountant.
>
> Either way, trying to explain this further seems doomed to failure.
Okay. Whatever you say.
But I've seen, and know people who owns big business (several thousands
of employees or more) don't care about software costs at all. A few
millions are not even a concern to them.
> --
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] - <http://www.ntlug.org/~cbbrowne/linux.html>
> Rules of the Evil Overlord #49. "If I learn the whereabouts of the
> one artifact which can destroy me, I will not send all my troops out
> to seize it. Instead I will send them out to seize something else and
> quietly put a Want-Ad in the local paper."
> <http://www.eviloverlord.com/>
--
- Alex / blowfish.- Just an average, whimpy, non-geek American computer
user.
(Have Fun with geek's culture: Part-1.)
--
- If Vi is God's editor. Then, God must have too much free time on his
hands,
lives a very dull and unproductive life; so he needs Vi to waste his
time.
But Vi was still too fast. So God created EMACS on the 8th day - which
takes
Eight Months to load, And Counting Still...
- The UN-GEEK CODE:(?What is a
geek?)-#!?+++??++++|$????+++++?????+++!!!!???+++---
geek + vi | ~/emacs
==>ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz!!!!!!!!!!.......:P~
newbies + Windoz | C:\LOOKOUT
EXPRESS==>_the_horrors_the_horrrrrrrroOOOOORRRRRRRRRSSSSsssss!!! :-|
- My SAS (Sing-A-Song) Fingerprint -v.i007.bond: Doe1(-a deer, a female
deer.) RaY2(- a drop of golden sun.)
Me3(- A name, I call myself.) FAr4(- A long, long way to run.) Sew5(-A
needle pulling thread.)
lA6(-A note to follow sew.) TeA7(-A drink with jam and bread.) That
will bring us back to DOe-oh-oh-oh...
(c)Copyrighted by Alex / blowfish. 2000.
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From: Aseem Asthana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: problem setting up USB
Date: 08 Aug 2000 19:20:13 -0500
Hi,
I am trying to get a video camera work on Linxu. I have the kernel
2.4.0-test5. I have a ALi controller for USB. Does that mean that I have to
load the module usb-ohci? When I do that, insmod usb-ohci I get a
./usb-ohci.o: init_module: No such device
I guess that this means that the system can not find the USB controller?
Anyway, the following is a listing of my /proc/devices
Character devices:
(snip)
136 pts
162 raw
180 usb
Block devices:
2 fd
3 ide0
22 ide1
It shows USB here. That should mean that the system can see the USB
controller. Additionally, it says something like
Aug 8 13:19:55 betty kernel: ALI15X3: IDE controller on PCI bus 00 dev 78
Aug 8 13:19:55 betty kernel: ALI15X3: chipset revision 32
Aug 8 13:19:55 betty kernel: ALI15X3: not 100% native mode: will probe irqs la\
ter
while booting. Now, I know that it says IDE controller but our sysadm
people told me that ALI is the USB controller.
Well, what I wanted to ask is that am I doing anything wrong in getting USB
to work? Additionally, if I just load insmod usb-ohci or usb-uhci (which
ever is the correct one for me) is that all to enabling USB. Or are there
any more modules to be loaded?
If anyone has any ideas, I will appreciate hearing them.
Thanks,
Aseem.
--
"To err is human, to forgive, beyond the scope of the Operating System"
--Fortune Saying
Aseem Asthana, Indiana University
http://bobac.cs.indiana.edu:2000/
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From: Scott Jack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux 4 Windows and Linux Mandrake questions
Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 00:30:01 GMT
I too would like info on the linux for windows box. Mr Schilbach's
reponse here doesn't even address that. If anyone has any info on that
product, you could email me as well as the orinal poster. thanks
Scott Jack
Timothy H. Schilbach wrote:
>
>
> I would go with the Complete edition of Linux Mandrake 7.1 for 28 bucks.
You
> can get it at one of the links of the Mandrake site. Mine arrived in 2
days
> with a cute Tux penguin for only 5 bucks. Its a better investment than
the
> Best Buy one.
>
> --
> Timothy H. Schilbach
> Alpha Omega Design Inc.
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 1-877-263-7094
> Visit our website at www.aodinc.com
>
> Web server hosting and dialup access for the future.
>
>
> Gerardo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:398f6da4$0$50273$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > I just saw in Best Buy Macmillan Linux for Windows Mandrake 7.1 for
> $20.00.
> > I don't have Linux installed presently and I would like to install
it. I
> > have a few questions:
> >
> > Question 1: Does it come complete including, Netscape, auto updates,
> > etc.... Is it just as good as the standard Macmillan Mandrake 7.1? It
> > would be nice not having to re-partition, or not having to deal with a
> boot
> > manager....In addition, if I upgrade my Windows version, I don't want
> > Windows to mess up the booting sequence (kill LILO or something like
> > that...)
> >
> > Question: I am hoping that it has an improved Hardware detection than
the
> > Macmillan Mandrake 6.5:
> > I used to have Macmillan Mandrake 6.5 and I could never get my modem
and
> my
> > sound card working together. So I ended up unistalling it.... What
> > happened was that I have a Modem Blasted DI5601 (ISA) and a basic Sound
> > Blaster 16 card. Both are supported independently. However, the
problem
> > was that Linux told me that I had a Sound Card DI5661 (in other words
it
> > confused both cards...). And I couldn't never get both to work. The
only
> > way I got any to work was when I physically remove one from the
computer,
> > but never together.....One or the other.....
> >
> > Question3: Will Linux work with my Intellimouse Optical?
> >
> > Thank you in advance,
> > Gerardo
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> >
> >
>
>
--
Posted via CNET Help.com
http://www.help.com/
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (ljb)
Subject: Re: .bash_logout for su ...
Date: 9 Aug 2000 00:31:25 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>I am trying to keep track of configuration changes on my system. I have
>set up a small script called adminlog (below) to maintain a
>chronological log. My root/.bash_logout calls it (file also below).
>Unfortunately it does not work when I log in as a user over a telnet
>session and su to root. Any suggestions on how to force something to run
>when one logs out of an su session?
>...
Bash only runs a logout script for "login" shells. The only thing
I can think of is to get in the habit of using "su -" which gives
you a login shell; when you close that your .bash_logout will run.
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From: blowfish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: ..
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: FWD: Red Hat's CFO abandoning ship.
Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 17:42:32 -0700
Phillip Lord wrote:
>
> >>>>> "blowfish" == blowfish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> >> >It only matters to the free beer drunken college geeks who zero
> >> real >income, and too much free time on his/her hands.
> >>
> >> To switch every university-owned PC in the building in which I'm
> >> sitting, from Red Hat GNU/Linux to (say) Microsoft Windows 2000,
> >> would cost considerably more than our annual computer hardware
> >> budget.
> >>
> blowfish> Academia world has all the free time in the world though,
> blowfish> time is money in the biz world.
>
> What crap. I am generally on much shorter term contracts
> than my friends who work in industry. Or indeed in other parts of the
> public sector. The one exception to this is a friend who works as a
> contractor, but he gets paid five times as much as I. The pressure of
> time is as real for me, if not more so, as for many others.
>
> We use Gnu/Linux systems because there are capable of doing
> the job, and because we have to spend much less time administering
> them than we would do for windows boxes. I spend much less time
> looking after my current PC than I did with the last one.
>
> blowfish> If they have to retrain employees. The time loss might
> blowfish> very well costs more than the costs of software.
>
> Staff costs are always an issue of course. Often it makes
> sense to stick with a windows system for this reason alone. In time I
> think that this will become a less compelling of course. At one stage
> we all had to switch to windows, and then from 3.1 to 95. The upgrade
> treadmill that windows enforces on people comes with an associated
> cost. Its perfectly possible however to run a modern linux system on a
> 386/486 and still get useful work done. Or alternatively if you want
> to upgrade to the latest linux system there is nothing to prevent you
> from doing so. And finally of course you do not have to spend a small
> fortune of software auditing, and ensuring you have the right licenses
> for the right software.
>
> Phil
Stop talking about anything from M$. I've no interest, and dumped M$
for a long time. It's 100% M$ free here. No dual boot.
--
- Alex / blowfish.- Just an average, whimpy, non-geek American computer
user.
(Have Fun with geek's culture: Part-1.)
--
- If Vi is God's editor. Then, God must have too much free time on his
hands,
lives a very dull and unproductive life; so he needs Vi to waste his
time.
But Vi was still too fast. So God created EMACS on the 8th day - which
takes
Eight Months to load, And Counting Still...
- The UN-GEEK CODE:(?What is a
geek?)-#!?+++??++++|$????+++++?????+++!!!!???+++---
geek + vi | ~/emacs
==>ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz!!!!!!!!!!.......:P~
newbies + Windoz | C:\LOOKOUT
EXPRESS==>_the_horrors_the_horrrrrrrroOOOOORRRRRRRRRSSSSsssss!!! :-|
- My SAS (Sing-A-Song) Fingerprint -v.i007.bond: Doe1(-a deer, a female
deer.) RaY2(- a drop of golden sun.)
Me3(- A name, I call myself.) FAr4(- A long, long way to run.) Sew5(-A
needle pulling thread.)
lA6(-A note to follow sew.) TeA7(-A drink with jam and bread.) That
will bring us back to DOe-oh-oh-oh...
(c)Copyrighted by Alex / blowfish. 2000.
------------------------------
From: blowfish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: ..
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: FWD: Red Hat's CFO abandoning ship.
Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 17:54:57 -0700
Phillip Lord wrote:
>
> >>>>> "blowfish" == blowfish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> blowfish> Then, the natives in E. Timor got tired of being ruled by
> blowfish> "outsider.", and tired of the Chinese-Indosians
> blowfish> controlling much of the economy. They rebelled.
> >> I don't think that it was a question of rebellion. The Indonesia
> >> army invaded E.Timor. This would be about 28 years ago now, about
> >> 2 years after Suharto came to power in E.Timor. And funnily
> >> enough about 8 hours after Gerald Ford's plane left the tarmac on
> >> Jakarta, on the first official visit to Indonesia since Suharto.
> >>
> blowfish> My Indonesian friend who told me the story is sixty some
> blowfish> years old. Her family witnessed the whole thing.
>
> Really.
>
Yeah. She's now a grandmother. :-)
> Of course whether its was an invasion or a rebellion is a
> secondary issue really. It appears that at least a third of the
> population was massacred by the army. There are many reports of the
> grossest atrocities, from rape, and murder, to enforced and uniformed
> use of long term contraception. E.Timor was the site of one of the
> worst crimes against humanity, in a century full of them. Unlike
> Vietnam we hardly heard anything about it however, because it was
> supported by the US and the UK, rather than Eastern bloc as was.
>
Any war is no good. I'm a pacifist.;-)
No. It was major news all over the world, except maybe in the US.
That's why I don't watch much news from US sources, including CNN.
If you can understand more than one language, then watch the
international channel. There's also a very good tv news coming out from
the U.K. Which has nothing but international news, and presented in
English. Lots of coverages that you won't find from major US networks.
The problem with US based networks are they're too US centric, and waste
too much yime and resources in covering stupid things like sports.
> blowfish> There are lots of reasons why all these invasions are
> blowfish> taken place. I guess it's part of human nature, the greed
> blowfish> factor, or some hugh power ego trip.
>
> Or alternative its inherent with in the system of government
> and economics that we live under. ("Come and see the oppression
> inherent within the system"). In the past we argued that a King was
> necessary because its was part of god's design. I think that a retreat
> to human nature is the same argument and just as wrong.
>
It's all up to the people.
As they voted to keep Elizabeth Windsor II to remains as the Queen of
the U.K. some years back.
> >> To argue that the arms trade, or indeed most "business" is
> >> separate from politics, and worse still morality is something
> >> that I feel is profoundly wrong.
> >>
> blowfish> Trades of any kind and politics always goes hand in hand.
>
> blowfish> Morality is entirly a seperate issue.
>
> Morality is separate from politics? This probably explains
> a lot.
>
Reality is harsh. Very harsh indeed. ;-)
> Phil
>
--
- Alex / blowfish.- Just an average, whimpy, non-geek American computer
user.
(Have Fun with geek's culture: Part-1.)
--
- If Vi is God's editor. Then, God must have too much free time on his
hands,
lives a very dull and unproductive life; so he needs Vi to waste his
time.
But Vi was still too fast. So God created EMACS on the 8th day - which
takes
Eight Months to load, And Counting Still...
- The UN-GEEK CODE:(?What is a
geek?)-#!?+++??++++|$????+++++?????+++!!!!???+++---
geek + vi | ~/emacs
==>ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz!!!!!!!!!!.......:P~
newbies + Windoz | C:\LOOKOUT
EXPRESS==>_the_horrors_the_horrrrrrrroOOOOORRRRRRRRRSSSSsssss!!! :-|
- My SAS (Sing-A-Song) Fingerprint -v.i007.bond: Doe1(-a deer, a female
deer.) RaY2(- a drop of golden sun.)
Me3(- A name, I call myself.) FAr4(- A long, long way to run.) Sew5(-A
needle pulling thread.)
lA6(-A note to follow sew.) TeA7(-A drink with jam and bread.) That
will bring us back to DOe-oh-oh-oh...
(c)Copyrighted by Alex / blowfish. 2000.
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From: blowfish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: ..
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: FWD: Red Hat's CFO abandoning ship.
Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 17:56:37 -0700
Stefaan A Eeckels wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> blowfish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >>
> > Free market means just that: The Freedom to Trade with who ever and
> > whatever (within legal limits) you want.
> Does it? I think that's what usually called "Free Trade".
> "Free Market" means letting the interaction between people
> determine the price of goods.
>
It also means nothing to stop the seller to get the maximum amount of
profits they want, as long as the market can bears it.
> --
> Stefaan
> --
> Ninety-Ninety Rule of Project Schedules:
> The first ninety percent of the task takes ninety percent of
> the time, and the last ten percent takes the other ninety percent.
--
- Alex / blowfish.- Just an average, whimpy, non-geek American computer
user.
(Have Fun with geek's culture: Part-1.)
--
- If Vi is God's editor. Then, God must have too much free time on his
hands,
lives a very dull and unproductive life; so he needs Vi to waste his
time.
But Vi was still too fast. So God created EMACS on the 8th day - which
takes
Eight Months to load, And Counting Still...
- The UN-GEEK CODE:(?What is a
geek?)-#!?+++??++++|$????+++++?????+++!!!!???+++---
geek + vi | ~/emacs
==>ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz!!!!!!!!!!.......:P~
newbies + Windoz | C:\LOOKOUT
EXPRESS==>_the_horrors_the_horrrrrrrroOOOOORRRRRRRRRSSSSsssss!!! :-|
- My SAS (Sing-A-Song) Fingerprint -v.i007.bond: Doe1(-a deer, a female
deer.) RaY2(- a drop of golden sun.)
Me3(- A name, I call myself.) FAr4(- A long, long way to run.) Sew5(-A
needle pulling thread.)
lA6(-A note to follow sew.) TeA7(-A drink with jam and bread.) That
will bring us back to DOe-oh-oh-oh...
(c)Copyrighted by Alex / blowfish. 2000.
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