Linux-Setup Digest #382, Volume #19 Sat, 12 Aug 00 10:13:08 EDT
Contents:
Re: Linux on AMD (blowfish)
Re: Linux on AMD (blowfish)
Re: SB PCI 128 problem (Thomas Rasmussen)
Re: How to install from a cd without a boot floppy disk? (J�rg Stadermann)
Re: newbie : help for kudzu ?? (Colin Watson)
Re: Problem including <limits.h> (Colin Watson)
Mouse problem on SuSE 6.3 ("Luis EAM")
Re: fwd: SuSE Linux 7.0 released ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
disable auto boot into xwindows ("pythonX")
how to install win2000 and linux in 1 hd ("CityU")
Re: disable auto boot into xwindows (Mark)
Re: Linux on AMD (J Bland)
mkfs on my hard disk - errors ("Dave Anderson")
Re: fwd: SuSE Linux 7.0 released ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: New Linux hardware advice sought ("Tom Brinkman")
network adapter configureation files. ("Ozetechnology")
Linux without Graphic-Card (Ingo voss)
lilo and USB keyboard (C Schulz)
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From: blowfish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: ..
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: Linux on AMD
Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 00:25:06 -0700
"David C." wrote:
>
> blowfish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >
> > And I *ALWAYS* compile from source for the other stuff.
>
> _everything_ else? You actually bother to recompile ls, cat, bash, and
> all the other common tools?
>
> Why bother with a distribution at all, if you do that?
>
I know it sounds a bit crazy. But I do it as a learning experience. :-)
And with a good distro. I don't have to chase after all the stuff.
Almost everything I need are in the CDs/DVD. :-)
Also to customize. My file structures for my SuSE Linux boxes are the
same as OpenBSD. :-)
> Somehow, I find that hard to believe.
>
Well. That's my main reason to use opensource stuff. :-)
> -- David
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From: blowfish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: ..
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: Linux on AMD
Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 00:19:38 -0700
"David C." wrote:
>
> blowfish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >
> > Only sucky-crappy distros like RH, Debian, etc. , and so on you need to
> > recompile for anything other than the generic stuff.
>
> *sigh*
>
> RedHat most certainly does release 586 and 686 kernel builds. My PII
> and PPro systems all run with an i686-built kernel.
>
> > Even soundcard, SMP, pentium, ata/dma a bunch of scsi, GForce video,
> > etc runs right out of the box without any messing around.
>
> Congratulations. Yours is not the only distribution that works "out of
> the box".
>
> But I'm surprised you are concerned with "messing around", since (as you
> wrote in another post in this thread) you recompile everything anyway.
>
> -- David
I install for friends too. :-)
Most of them just want it quick. So. Default installation suit them
well.
I recompile everything as a learning experience. :-)
--
- Alex / blowfish.- Just an average, whimpy, non-geek American computer
user. (Have Fun with geek's culture: Part-1-2.4.b-pre.beta1234567.)
- Dont fear the Duck. Resistance is futile. Eat your duck soup.
- World Domination:60% *foo.bar.com now serveing Duck a l'Orange with
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(c)Copyrighted by Alex / blowfish. 2000. All Rights Reserved.
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Subject: Re: SB PCI 128 problem
From: Thomas Rasmussen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 08:14:02 GMT
>>>>> "Donald" == Donald K Knepshield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Donald: Thanks for all the
Donald> advice. I can't seem to get the beast to work. I have had
Donald> problems with a previous soundcard not liking me having 2
Donald> printer ports because of IRQ problems. I think that I might
Donald> have to live without sound in linux on this machine. Thanks
Donald> again.
I also use the sb128 pci on my pc (Debian Woody (and potato)) and I'm
using the module es1371, and It is working without any problems... But
you can maybe try one last thing. Check all sound volumes in the
mixer. Sometimes all volumes are turned all the way down, resulting in
no sound output.
/Thomas
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-- Homer Simpson
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From: J�rg Stadermann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: How to install from a cd without a boot floppy disk?
Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 11:26:07 -0400
On Fre, 11 Aug 2000, Paolo De Laurentiis wrote:
>Hello All.
>
>I'm tryng to install linux red hat 6.2 on a IBM thinkpad 760CD.
>I have win95 running from the first partition and I want to install linux on
>the second one.
>I have a bootable install cd of red hat 6.2, but my bios (already upgrade to
>the latest version 1.3) does not allow the boot from the cd drive.
>My notebook DO NOT permit to have both the floppy drive and the cd drive
>inserted at the same time.
>Note that I do not have enough room to copy the cd on the hard disk and make
>the installation from there.
>
>How can I install from the cd without a boot diskette?
>
>Thank you in advance for any clue
>
>Bye
>Paolo
Hi,
all you have to do is to copy the "dosutils" drectory from CD to hard disk.
Then you must edit the autoboot.bat so that it will point to the "autoboot"
directory on your hard disk. Autoboot will then boot the image from hard disk,
but then runs the installation from CD. Note that when you run "autoboot.bat"
from Win95, it must be in MS-DOS mode, or you have to start Win95 in
"commandline only" mode.
Bye
Joerg
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Colin Watson)
Crossposted-To: linux.redhat
Subject: Re: newbie : help for kudzu ??
Date: 12 Aug 2000 09:44:44 GMT
nilesh bhala <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>here is a problem-
>on one of my systems i tried installing kudzu using RPM.but it failed saying
>it needs dependency modules like ---
>libnewt.so.0.50 and
>libpopt.so.0
>-----------------------------------
>so i installed the kudzu forcefully using --nodeps option.
Ah, welcome to the wonderful world of --nodeps - don't do it unless you
know what you're doing, and you only shot yourself in the foot here. :)
>than i issued the command --
>depmod -a
That's only for kernel modules, which are a different beast altogether.
> and then rebooted the system .
Why on earth? Even had it been kernel modules, you still don't need to
reboot, as not having to reboot is the entire point of kernel modules.
For something like kudzu there's no point at all. Forget about rebooting
except for when you upgrade the kernel itself.
>i used the "grep" command to find out that kudzu has been installed in
>/usr/sbin/ directory.
Normally 'find' is what you use to find files, as opposed to text in
files. Mind you, 'rpm -ql kudzu' would have been easier still, once
you'd installed the package.
>so i tried running kudzu from there but again got the error "error in
>loading shared libraries : libnew.so.0.50 : cannot open shared object file "
>.
>i think it means that it couldn't load the above mentioned module during
>bootup process whereas it was able to find the other module named "lib.so.0"
Not bootup, but just in the process of starting the kudzu executable. It
almost certainly needs both libnewt.so.0.50 and libpopt.so.0, since it
depended upon both of them above.
>now how can i load this module ?? where can i find it ??
Red Hat 6.2 contains both newt-0.50.8-2.i386.rpm and
popt-1.5-0.48.i386.rpm. (In other versions of Red Hat the version
numbers may be different.) Try installing those, *and anything they
depend on*. And don't bother rebooting afterwards. :)
--
Colin Watson [[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
"Give us a chance. We grow on you. Like fungus." - sjk25 on ucam.chat
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Colin Watson)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.system
Subject: Re: Problem including <limits.h>
Date: 12 Aug 2000 09:51:38 GMT
Paul Kimoto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>It is still a problem that the kernel programmers like to make changes to
>the kernel header files and would rather not worry about the needs of those
>who write user programs: it is rare that a user program cares about the
>kind of details that may change in everyday kernel releases. Thus many
>(although not all) argue that /usr/include/linux and /usr/include/asm
>should not be symbolic links into the kernel-source-code-of-the-day, but
>rather be regular directories containing headers from some stable kernel.
>As far as I know, only Debian (and derivatives) does this; these files are
>part of the libc development package.
Very recent versions of the 2.4 test kernels (test4 or test5 and above)
have started to advise people against unpacking kernels into
/usr/src/linux, so that /usr/include/linux ->
/usr/src/linux/include/linux et al won't be messed up by bleeding-edge
kernels.
--
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"When Irish eyes are smiling, watch your step."
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From: "Luis EAM" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Mouse problem on SuSE 6.3
Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 06:10:10 -0500
when I am configuring mouse (MS wheel mouse) on SaX or Xfree86 I go it to
work, but as soon as I go to graphical mode it get screwed up: Jumps and
clicks all over the screen. It is kinda fun but I enough is enough!
Any help will be appreciate
L
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: fwd: SuSE Linux 7.0 released
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux.suse,comp.os.linux.misc
Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 10:57:08 +0100
blowfish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> did eloquently scribble:
> I am talking about the "Professional" version, not the "Standard"
> version aimed at the home users market.
> Isn't it the"Professional" version supposted to be for work? I'm pretty
> sure no employers would like their employees playing games during work
> hours. ;-)
No, the "professional" version is for all the people who've been using SuSE
for ages and are experienced in it. It's the full distro rather than a
newbie cutdown version.
> Beside. People can still install the games if they wanted to. Just
> don't install them by default as dependency.
They're now installed by default anyway, unless you choose the "Install
everything" option.
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From: "pythonX" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: disable auto boot into xwindows
Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 19:10:04 +0800
hie all...
how can I disable the auto boot into xwindows option ? how do I exit
xwindows if the option is enabled ?
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From: "CityU" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: how to install win2000 and linux in 1 hd
Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 19:18:17 +0800
How to install win 2000 and linux in 1 hd
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From: Mark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: disable auto boot into xwindows
Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 11:48:58 GMT
Look into the /etc/inittab file. YOu should see something like...
# Default runlevel. The runlevels used by RHS are:
# 0 - halt (Do NOT set initdefault to this)
# 1 - Single user mode
# 2 - Multiuser, without NFS (The same as 3, if you do not have
networking)
# 3 - Full multiuser mode
# 4 - unused
# 5 - X11
# 6 - reboot (Do NOT set initdefault to this)
#
id:5:initdefault:
Change that last line to the run level that you want.
Mark
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"pythonX" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> hie all...
> how can I disable the auto boot into xwindows option ? how do I exit
> xwindows if the option is enabled ?
>
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (J Bland)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: Linux on AMD
Date: 12 Aug 2000 12:32:01 GMT
>> The kernel is optimised for it, everything else isn't.
>>
>> Frinky
>Oh Yeah!
>
>Are you using SuSE?
Yes. from p100s to Athlon700s to G3s. They mostly run the default packages.
Which are compiled for 386s and ppc.
>I am. I've been using SuSE since 5.x
>
>I'm posting from a SuSE 6.4 2.2.14 kernel, i586 with 3DNow activated.
>;-)
Well done. That extra math performance makes your mostly integer using
kernel so much faster. This is from a i586 2.2.16 kernel, with only things
in it I need. It makes little difference to anything.
2.2.14 has a serious security bug in it. This is why SuSE has released and
update to the k_default.rpm package with a 2.2.16 kernel. Keep up with the
security advisories.
>You CAN choose the kernel option from YaST2 during installation.
I know.
>Only sucky-crappy distros like RH, Debian, etc. , and so on you need to
>recompile for anything other than the generic stuff.
>
>Even soundcard, SMP, pentium, ata/dma a bunch of scsi, GForce video, etc
>runs right out of the box without any messing around.
RH, Debian etc do sound, SMP, pentium and other optimised kernels. The
entirety of Mandrake is pentium optimised. Stuff that's in the SuSE kernel is
available as patches elsewhere, and they are being used by other
distributers.
Yes. This is all the kernel. SuSE 6.4 'out the box' has optimised kernels.
Which makes a difference. But not much. *Everything else on the CDs* is not
optimised. They are i386 rpms. They will not have pentium, or mmx, or 3dnow
optimisations in them.
If you recompile from source then they will, but that's not SuSE 6.4, is it.
AT least it sort of is but then you're having to faff about in ways you're
detracting other distributions for. If you want that extra speed get
Mandrake, it's *all* optimised.
Frinky
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From: "Dave Anderson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: mkfs on my hard disk - errors
Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 14:04:51 -0500
I've put a new IDE hard disk in my (until now) scsi system.
RH6.1 recognised it OK
Aug 12 12:34:30 lake kernel: hda: NEC CD-ROM DRIVE:282, ATAPI CDROM drive
Aug 12 12:34:30 lake kernel: hdb: IBM-DPTA-372050, ATA DISK drive
I tried to mkfs on it, with
mkfs -c -v /dev/hdb1
But after a while, got lots of errors. I'm not sure what they mean. I was using this
disk in another machine without any problems. The mkfs ran for 12 hours and
didn't seem to have got very far, so I killed it. Any idea what I can do?
mkfs out put listed below
many thanks
Dave
mke2fs 1.15, 18-Jul-1999 for EXT2 FS 0.5b, 95/08/09
Filesystem label=
OS type: Linux
Block size=4096 (log=2)
Fragment size=4096 (log=2)
23674880 inodes, 47347306 blocks
2367365 blocks (5.00%) reserved for the super user
First data block=0
1445 block groups
32768 blocks per group, 32768 fragments per group
16384 inodes per group
Superblock backups stored on blocks:
32768, 98304, 163840, 229376, 294912, 819200, 884736, 1605632, 2654208,
4096000, 7962624, 11239424, 20480000, 23887872,
Running command: badblocks -b 4096 -s /dev/hdb1 47347306
Checking for bad blocks (read-only test): 5020386/ 47347306
Message from syslogd@lake at Fri Aug 11 21:06:32 2000 ...
lake kernel: { DriveStatusError }
5057823/ 47347306
Message from syslogd@lake at Sat Aug 12 01:16:08 2000 ...
lake kernel: 59 { DriveReady SeekComplete DataRequest Error }
5138198/ 47347306
Message from syslogd@lake at Sat Aug 12 10:12:00 2000 ...
lake kernel: 59 { DriveReady SeekComplete DataRequest Error }
5150000/ 47347306
My sys log was filled with stuff like:
Aug 12 11:30:58 lake kernel: hdb: read_intr: status=0x59 { DriveReady SeekComplete
DataRequ
est Error }
Aug 12 11:30:58 lake kernel: hdb: read_intr: error=0x04 { DriveStatusError }
Aug 12 11:30:58 lake kernel: hdb: read_intr: status=0x59 { DriveReady SeekComplete
DataRequ
est Error }
Aug 12 11:30:58 lake kernel: hdb: read_intr: error=0x04 { DriveStatusError }
Aug 12 11:30:58 lake kernel: hdb: read_intr: status=0x59 { DriveReady SeekComplete
DataRequ
est Error }
Aug 12 11:30:58 lake kernel: hdb: read_intr: error=0x04 { DriveStatusError }
Aug 12 11:30:58 lake kernel: ide0: reset: success
Aug 12 11:30:58 lake kernel: hdb: read_intr: status=0x59 { DriveReady SeekComplete
DataRequ
est Error }
Aug 12 11:30:58 lake kernel: hdb: read_intr: error=0x04 { DriveStatusError }
Aug 12 11:30:59 lake kernel: end_request: I/O error, dev 03:41 (hdb), sector 41200314
Aug 12 11:30:59 lake kernel: hdb: read_intr: status=0x59 { DriveReady SeekComplete
DataRequ
est Error }
Aug 12 11:30:59 lake kernel: hdb: read_intr: error=0x04 { DriveStatusError }
Aug 12 11:30:59 lake kernel: hdb: read_intr: status=0x59 { DriveReady SeekComplete
DataRequ
est Error }
Aug 12 11:30:59 lake kernel: hdb: read_intr: error=0x04 { DriveStatusError }
Aug 12 11:30:59 lake kernel: hdb: read_intr: status=0x5b { DriveReady SeekComplete
DataRequ
est Index Error }
Aug 12 11:30:59 lake kernel: hdb: read_intr: error=0x04 { DriveStatusError }
Aug 12 11:30:59 lake kernel: hdb: read_intr: status=0x59 { DriveReady SeekComplete
DataRequ
est Error }
Aug 12 11:30:59 lake kernel: hdb: read_intr: error=0x04 { DriveStatusError }
Aug 12 11:30:59 lake kernel: ide0: reset: success
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: fwd: SuSE Linux 7.0 released
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux.suse,comp.os.linux.misc
Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 12:22:31 +0100
[EMAIL PROTECTED] did eloquently scribble:
>> Beside. People can still install the games if they wanted to. Just
>> don't install them by default as dependency.
> They're now installed by default anyway, unless you choose the "Install
> everything" option.
s/now/not/
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From: "Tom Brinkman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: New Linux hardware advice sought
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware
Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 08:21:10 -0600
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Len Philpot) wrote:
>
> I know most of what I want to use will work fine, but I'd like to
> avoid any well-known gotchas when I buy. Any rules of thumb,
> specific hardware to avoid or seek out? So far, I've been
> attracted to the Dell Dimension series, but I'm open to
> alternatives. Huge multimedia capabilities are no major attraction
> for me. Just basic sound with little dinky speakers are fine with
> me.
Without getting into all your other questions, I'd like to
comment on Dell, or any other high volume ready made vendor.
They're junk and getting worse. Because they buy parts in such
high volume they're are able to have it built to their own corner-
cutting, limited, often substandard specs. Best case in point
is the motherboards Intel supplies to Dell. They're not Intels
OEM boards, but built to Dell proprietary standards and to Dell's
questionable specifications. Same thing with their cases and power
supplies.. proprietary junk, and all those items are the foundation
of any system.
As ancedotal evidence of my opinion above, I believe you'll find
that if you contact Dell about a preconfigured Linux system, the
price will be substantially higher than for a comparable Dell
Windoze system. Seems simple to me, they can't use as much of their
normal junk. I believe they will every chance they get tho.
Building your own system is very simple, even for a first timer,
and there's plenty of online tutorials. Just do a Google search,
you'll see what I mean. Buy a quality motherboard (Asus, Soyo, etc)
and don't skimp on the case/PS, ram, video, sound, and such either.
There's plentiful Linux compatible hardware info on the Net, and
much is even distro specific. A side benefit to all this is that
some understanding of your systems hardware, will go a long way
towards increased understanding and ease of use with Linux also.
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~~ Tom Brinkman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "Ozetechnology" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: network adapter configureation files.
Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 23:33:11 +1000
Hi
Can someone please tell me where linux stores the config for network adapters?
Thanks
David
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From: Ingo voss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Linux without Graphic-Card
Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 14:53:16 +0200
Reply-To: Ingo Voss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Hi,
I want to run my Linuxbox (Firewall) without a VGA-Card and I want to
administrate only from a seriel Terminal. (for installation i=B4ve used
the Graphic-card)
How must I do this ? It should show also _all_ kernel bootmessages. I=B4v=
e
red the HOWTO=B4s for lilo and Serial, but I did nothing found.
If I use only getty in the inittab, so I only get the login.
any suggetions ?
Thanx for help
Ingo Voss
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From: C Schulz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: lilo and USB keyboard
Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 14:59:30 +0100
Hi,
I've recently installed a USB keyboard on my computer. Since then I
can't select different kernels at the LILO prompt anymore: nothing that
I type appears on the prompt and the arrow keys also don't work.
They keyboard works on the BIOS level, i.e. it is recognized in the BIOS
setup where I can happily make changes. And when Linux has fully booted,
I also don't have any problems with the keyboard.
I'm using LILO v 21 (don't know the minor version numbers).
Any hints?
Thanks,
Christian
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