Linux-Setup Digest #467, Volume #19 Thu, 24 Aug 00 12:13:10 EDT
Contents:
Re: disk admin (Eric)
Re: mirroring an hd (jeff)
NEWBIE network question. ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Installing COREL Linux Standard Edition (Chris Tusk)
Re: mirroring an hd (The Contact)
Re: Linux - dual boot (The Contact)
Re: NEWBIE network question. (The Contact)
Re: CDROM Error: /mnt/cdrom is not a valid block device ("Hor Jiun Shyong")
Re: disk admin (Davide Bianchi)
Re: 2nd NIC failure ("Dave Addison")
graphical login/startx (Peadar O'Gaora)
3com modem problem on redhat linux (NEtScrewBAll)
Re: NEWBIE network question. ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: ftp login failed ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Hardware Raid 1 ("Francesco Rossi")
apache upgrade (NONN YA BUSINESS)
Re: Kernel Compile (Vilmos Soti)
Re: How do I set the physical geometry? (Norman Levin)
Re: Boot Partition too big?? (Norman Levin)
Re: LILO: doesn't have a valid LILO signature (Norman Levin)
Re: Problem Seeing 2nd Drive After Linux Installation (NONN YA BUSINESS)
Re: Slackware 7 uses LOTS more disk than 3.5! (Neil W Rickert)
newbie needs some help (MunkE)
Re: How do I set the physical geometry? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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From: Eric <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: disk admin
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 16:18:54 +0200
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Davide Bianchi wrote:
>
> On Thu, 24 Aug 2000 16:00:06 +0200, Eric <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >The rest is okay advise :-)
> >
> >Davide, be very carefull in giving such advise.
> >The system could get seriously messed up by manually changing mtab
>
> Oooppss, sorry, your's right of course. As I said, I did this a couple
> of week ago and I do not remember all the commands.
> Maybe is an idea for some sort of FAQs... don't you think ?
>
> Davide
Yeah, FAQ's are okay (perhaps deja.com has a FAQ listing?), but there
are already howto's describing a lot of these kind of problems and the
way to solve them. IIRC there's a howto on this topic too, about adding
a HDD in your system, and reallocating a directory there.
Eric
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (jeff)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: mirroring an hd
Date: 24 Aug 2000 14:18:50 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Thu, 24 Aug 2000 13:39:40 GMT, The Contact <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Emilio Federici wrote:
>>
>> Hi everybody!, I'm about to change my old hd to a new one and I'd like
>> to know which is the best way to move the whole Linux system from the
>> old to the new hd, so that I can boot Linux from the new hd as I did
>> with old one.
>>
>> Thanks!
>
>If you have a rescue-disk (or a mini-distribution of linux, or a
>bootable linux-cd) you can use dd.
>Let's say that your first hd is hda. Just plug in the new hd (hdc f.i.),
>and reboot with the resue/bootable-cd/minidistro. Then all you have to
>do is
>
># dd if=/dev/hda of=/dev/hdc
>
>This copies the entire harddisk to the new. If the new one is bigger (or
>you want to have another setup of partitions) you should first place the
>new hd as hda, partition it how you want and then, for each partition
>you had on you old drive (which is now set as hdc)
>
># if=/dev/hdc# of=/dev/hda#
>
>This should do the trick. Don't forget to keep the old hd (don't erase
>it) until you're sure everything is all right.
>
>I haven't tried this myself, so please post feedback/results.
>
>WKR,
There may be a problem if the two disks have different geomtries -
/boot/boot.d seems to be sensitive. Worst case is that lilo won't boot from
harddisk. If so, just boot to new system via floppy, and issue lilo
command.
Not sure about this, but dd _may_ be problematic if either hard disk has bad
sectors. Of course, rsync, cp, and whatever else, may also have problems -
but they're "higher level" so may shield from some problems.
-jeff
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: NEWBIE network question.
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 14:24:34 GMT
I want to network my dell laptop with a new desktop computer. What I
want to do is to be able to share the desktop drives while using my
portable.
I understand (read as "I've read the HOWTOs") on setting up linux and
SAMBA but before I purchase any hardware can somebody advise,
Can I just plug my portable NIC (D-Link DFE-530TX) into the desktop NIC
(Psion Netglogal 10/100 + 56K) with a crossover cable RJ45 or do I need
a hub ?
Please advise me if I've assumed anything wrongly with the
software/hardware setup and any weblinks/tutorials would be ideal.
Ta,
Derm.
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Before you buy.
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From: Chris Tusk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Installing COREL Linux Standard Edition
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 14:29:21 GMT
To Corel Linux
I am trying to install Corel Linux OS (Retail Version). I'm having
problems though. I have created a 2GB partition on my 8.4GB hard drive as
a Linux partition, using the tool called Partition Commander 6.0 from V
Communications (WWW.V-COM.COM). The hard drive already hosts Windows 98
on another partition FAT32.
Corel Linux allows me to through the following steps:
- Creation of a username
- Selection of Options to install (Standard / Advanced)
- Then I get to the where I have to decide which of the partitions to use
for my installation:
* Take Over Disk
* Use free disk space (DISABLED)
* Edit Partition table
* Install in DOS/Windows partition
The "Use free disk space" option is disabled.
After selecting Edit Partition table, I get to the volumes. At the top
there's /dev/hda. Below that there are two volumes. One is /dev/hda1(Type
Fat32), while the other is /dev/hda2 (Type Linux). I select /dev/hda2 and
that becomes the end of my journey. An error message comes that
says "Choose root partition - There is no root partition defined. You
must create a root partition to continue". That's how far I am able to go.
Please help me guys. I do need to have both the Linux and Windows
Operating Systems on my desktop. Thanks in advance.
--
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http://www.help.com/
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From: The Contact <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: mirroring an hd
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 14:36:35 GMT
jeff wrote:
> There may be a problem if the two disks have different geomtries -
> /boot/boot.d seems to be sensitive. Worst case is that lilo won't boot from
> harddisk. If so, just boot to new system via floppy, and issue lilo
> command.
True, true.
> Not sure about this, but dd _may_ be problematic if either hard disk has bad
> sectors. Of course, rsync, cp, and whatever else, may also have problems -
> but they're "higher level" so may shield from some problems.
Also correct, dd just copies the bits. If the bits are wrongly set,
it'll copy the bad bits. rsync and cp will do just the same, I suppose,
but the main reason I presented dd was because it copies bitwise, while
cp and rsync etc... will have problems with certain directories (/dev,
/proc). Maybe excluding these directories will help, but I'm not sure. A
good backup-utility for Linux (and published under the GPL-license) is
something I'm searching after since the first day I installed Linux
(good back-up meaning something like Norton Ghost, thus working with
images - like dd).
--
The Contact
"Knowledge should be free; appliance not."
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From: The Contact <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux - dual boot
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 14:43:38 GMT
Keith Lockwood wrote:
> I have just installed linux 6.2 and i'm tyring to get it to boot up. I
> installed LILO to the first sector like is says. Then I planned to use
> Partion magics boot manger to boot into it. For some reason that does
> give the option of doing it.
>
> Dose linux still have to be on the partion under the 1024 cylinder for
> me to able to boot it up.
If LILO and Partition Magic both support the +1024-cilinder boot-up,
Linux will work just fine at a higher level of cilinders. IIRC, LILO
with RedHat 6.2 is capable of doing that. I don't know about PM.
> Also what do the partions have to be set to.
> Currently I have a D drive (FAT) in windows and the 16M(Linux primary
> partion) boot partion which I have set active. A 300m swap drive and
> the root partion.
Normally the partitions are already set. Do a 'fdisk -l' as root, and
you'll see how the partitions are set.
Do you have problems booting-up Linux? Or Windows?
--
The Contact
"Knowledge should be free; appliance not."
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From: The Contact <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: NEWBIE network question.
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 14:46:10 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I want to network my dell laptop with a new desktop computer. What I
> want to do is to be able to share the desktop drives while using my
> portable.
>
> I understand (read as "I've read the HOWTOs") on setting up linux and
> SAMBA but before I purchase any hardware can somebody advise,
>
> Can I just plug my portable NIC (D-Link DFE-530TX) into the desktop NIC
> (Psion Netglogal 10/100 + 56K) with a crossover cable RJ45 or do I need
> a hub ?
Yup, no problems with that. But why would you purchase any hardware? It
seems you have everything you should have to make things work.
--
The Contact
"Knowledge should be free; appliance not."
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From: "Hor Jiun Shyong" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: jaring.os.linux
Subject: Re: CDROM Error: /mnt/cdrom is not a valid block device
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 22:43:46 +0800
thanks. just remembered that i have changed the settings of the new cdrom
drive
>
> Right. In addition to that, you may want to check whether
> your new CDROM drive is jumpered as Master or Slave on its IDE
> channel. If the position differs from that one on the old drive,
> your /etc/fstab entry (that the "mount" command reads) will be
> pointing to the wrong device now.
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Davide Bianchi)
Subject: Re: disk admin
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 14:46:56 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Thu, 24 Aug 2000 16:18:54 +0200, Eric <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Yeah, FAQ's are okay (perhaps deja.com has a FAQ listing?), but there
>are already howto's describing a lot of these kind of problems and the
>way to solve them. IIRC there's a howto on this topic too, about adding
>a HDD in your system, and reallocating a directory there.
Hugh! I haven't noticed that. Thanks for the point. I will transfer
immediately into my /usr/doc/HOWTO. Next time I will send the RIGHT
information the first time.
Thanks.
Davide
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From: "Dave Addison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.networking,linux.redhat.install,linux.redhat.misc
Subject: Re: 2nd NIC failure
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 15:41:09 +0100
Hello Again
Could you post any entries in /var/log/messages and dmesg output relating to
eth* initialisation? Also any output from the manual module loading and
interface configuration
Dave
Darren and Marla Welson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:R_5p5.106324$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Y.
> I am thinking something like a BIOS problem, or something I am not aware
of
> in the kernel. The machine is an old 486, so that could be the indicator
of
> worse things yet to come.
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From: Peadar O'Gaora <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: graphical login/startx
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 15:46:20 +0100
Hi
I recently upgraded to XFree86 4.0.1
When I boot at runlevel 5 I get a graphical login and when I login I get
a bare X session. No window manager. If I then kill the X session
(init 3), login and run startx I get a perfectly good desktop with
everything where it should be.
I'm running RedHat 6.1 - upgraded to 6.2. Everything else seems fine.
It's just the boot into X that's not going according to plan.
Anybody got any ideas?
Thanks,
Pedar
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (NEtScrewBAll)
Subject: 3com modem problem on redhat linux
Date: 24 Aug 2000 14:58:22 GMT
i have a 3com pc card modem model 3cxm756...i cant get it installed on red hat
linux 6.2..i trid two commands and nothin happened...i found two files in /.
directiory somwhere and it said too many arguments...
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: NEWBIE network question.
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 14:49:41 GMT
Hi !
Assuming that D-Link is on Desktop and Psion on Laptop, It is possible to
connect both with a patch cable. You can give IP of 192.30.200.1 on desktop
and 192.30.200.2 on laptop + sm of 255.255.255.0 for both.
Install Samba on Linux and you have the network....
Speaking only for myself...
Megalinuxpro
In article <8o3b6c$k2f$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I want to network my dell laptop with a new desktop computer. What I
> want to do is to be able to share the desktop drives while using my
> portable.
>
> I understand (read as "I've read the HOWTOs") on setting up linux and
> SAMBA but before I purchase any hardware can somebody advise,
>
> Can I just plug my portable NIC (D-Link DFE-530TX) into the desktop NIC
> (Psion Netglogal 10/100 + 56K) with a crossover cable RJ45 or do I need
> a hub ?
>
> Please advise me if I've assumed anything wrongly with the
> software/hardware setup and any weblinks/tutorials would be ideal.
>
> Ta,
> Derm.
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.
>
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: ftp login failed
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 15:04:34 GMT
Also, check your hosts.allow & hosts.deny files. If hosts.deny has only
a ALL: PARANOID, then you won't be able to ftp from outside your
network. Put in an entry in the hosts.allow like ALL: 123.456. (where
123.456.... is the network that you want to ftp from).
> Per default you can't log in as root. Did you logged in as root or as
an
> user?
>
> Thorsten
>
> > I'm running Linux 6.1 and having trouble with
> > ftp login. After I type in my password, it always
> > prompts:
> > 530 Login incorrect
> > Login failed
>
>
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Before you buy.
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From: "Francesco Rossi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Hardware Raid 1
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 16:46:13 +0200
Hi,
i have buy a DPT ULTRA WIDE SCSI 3 controller that support raid 0,1,5.
I want use the raid 1 with two disk IBM of 18G. In the scsi bios i create
the raid 1 and build it. So the two disk become one raid, and the SuSE linux
6.4 see it because load a DPT module with the driver that patch the old
driver in the system.
Well, i must prepare the scsi raid disk and mount it.
How i can prepare and mount automatically an hardware scsi raid 1 disk ?
Thank.
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From: NONN YA BUSINESS <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: apache upgrade
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 15:25:42 GMT
For security reason's, I recently upgraded an old redhat 4.2 machine
running apache 1.2, I think, to apache 1.3.3 with an updated rpm.
When I did this, all the directories I had on the website that used
.htaccess files stopped being secure. In other words, the broweser
just bypasses the password security.
Also, my cgi scripts get the error the the POST method is not allowd.
What did the upgrade do to break my configuration?
Thanks,
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Subject: Re: Kernel Compile
From: Vilmos Soti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 15:46:36 GMT
"Ralph" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> How do you go about extracting and compiling the kernel on a hard drive
> other than hda1. I have a second drive with lots o room on it and I want to
> compile the latest kernel on this HDD. The howto's and books say that it
> must be done on hda1 under /usr/src.
Just untar the kernel source on the secondary drive, and create a
/usr/src/linux link pointing to the actual directory.
Vilmos
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Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 04:18:18 -0700
From: Norman Levin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: How do I set the physical geometry?
Dances With Crows wrote:
>
> On 22 Aug 2000 22:32:34 GMT, K. Posern wrote:
> >I've got a IBM 45GB Deskstar DTLA 307045 with CHS=16383/16/63 (printed
> >on the label of the harddisk).
> >I suppose these CHS-values are the values of the physical geometry?!
> [snip]
> >One information on the harddisk-label which could be important on that:
> >In LBA-mode there are 90 069 840 sectors
>
> Modern hard disks do not have anything like a physical geometry in the
> old-style sense of the term.
** until disk go solid state or bubble memory, they certainly have
a physical geometry.
That "16383/16/63" printed on the drive is
> shorthand for "This disk is too big for the ancient disk-size-reporting
> method that BIOS 'normal mode' used back in the day."
** true, that size is probably larger than most bios can handle.
BUT, if you pretended that you had 32 heads instead of 16, you could
address all of the disk with 1/2 the number of cylinders. So
16383/16/63 can look like
8162/32/63 which can look like
4081/64/63 which can look like
2042/128/63 which can look like
1021/256/63
>
> What exactly is the problem that requires you to pass geometry arguments
> to the kernel at boot time? Is your machine's BIOS so old that it can't
> be upgraded to something that can handle large disks? Machines built
> after 1997 or so should have no problems with most disks. If the BIOS
> is too old, you can probably find out what the Linux kernel thinks the
> geometry of the disk is by booting from a rescue system like Tom's
> RootBoot (http://www.toms.net/rb/ ) and running "fdisk". That will say
> something like:
> Disk /dev/hda 255 heads, 63 secotrs, 5606 cylinders
> Also, Linux kernels prior to 2.2.14 had problems with accessing IDE
> disks > 32G. See if you can get a newer kernel--RH 6.2, SuSE 6.4,
> Mandrake 7.1, et al shipped with kernels capable of handling IDE disks
> up to 137G.
>
> --
> Matt G|There is no Darkness in Eternity/But only Light too dim for us to see
> Brainbench MVP for Linux Admin / Those who do not understand Unix are
> http://www.brainbench.com / condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
> -----------------------------/ --Henry Spencer
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Norman Levin
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Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 04:25:09 -0700
From: Norman Levin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Boot Partition too big??
Mark Weeks wrote:
>
> Hello
> I am having trouble installing windows 98 and redhat 6.0 on my athlon
> 700. It has a 20 gb hdd which i am told is the problem. I put windows 98
> on the first 10gb partition, and then went to install redhat on the rest
> of the disk, so i used disk druid and whenever i created the linux
> native partion after making the swap partition, it would'nt allocate the
> space for it, saying 'Boot partition is too big'. Now never having had a
> dual operating system before i did'nt have a clue. After doing some
> searching on some forums, i found the problem was that for it too work
> the /boot partition must be in the first 8gb of dick or the first 1024
> sectors, because of lilo apparently having this limitation. Some
> suggestions where too find the new version of lilo which does'nt have
> this problem, but i have not had any luck finding it, or even if it
> exists, and also by reformatting the whole hard disk and putting /boot
> at the start and then installing win98, and then linux but win 98 just
> wipes everything anyway so that is no good, and i cant't afford too buy
** you have an "athalon 700" with a 20 gb drive and you can't afford to
buy partition magic? Give me a F*&^ng break.
> partition magic which i am told will sort it out as well. So if anyone
> has had this problem, i would appreciate some help of any kind.
> Thanks later
--
Norman Levin
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Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 04:21:39 -0700
From: Norman Levin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: LILO: doesn't have a valid LILO signature
Wong Sai-kee wrote:
>
> I tar my linux boot disk (IDE) to a tape, and tar the tape to a SCSI
> hard disk on the same machine. Then I run lilo -C to config to boot
> from the SCSI HD but the lilo reported:
>
> First boot sector doesn't have a valid LILO signature
>
> I looked through some lilo document and mini-FAQ as well but couldn't
> find anything about LILO signature. Any hints ?
>
** if you look at the mbr, you will see that it is
marked with LILO in it (assuming lilo is in the mbr).
Try
dd if=/dev/hda count=1 | od -ax | more
assuming you are on the first ide drive, this will look
at 1 record (often 1K so it is more than the first
512 byte block) and it will run it thru OctalDisplay
to show each line of data twice. First in ascii and
then in hex.
--
Norman Levin
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From: NONN YA BUSINESS <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Problem Seeing 2nd Drive After Linux Installation
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 15:45:25 GMT
Did you leave any DOS/windows visable partitions on that second drive?
The "drive" in windows is just a partition that has a recognizable(to
windows) partition type on it.
On Saturday, 13 May 2000 13:06:32 -0600, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
>Hi,
>
>Hope you can help! Just installed CorelLinux in the DOS/Windows98 partition. When
>restarted Windows, everything was in order - could see both my drives including
>CorelLinux load file. After third re-boot, my second drive just vanished from sight
>in Windows and DOS. What could be wrong? How do I access my 2nd drive? Also have
>Windows files on it which I cannot afford to lose.
>Thanx
>Martin
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From: Neil W Rickert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Slackware 7 uses LOTS more disk than 3.5!
Date: 24 Aug 2000 10:54:51 -0500
"Charlie Gibbs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>Recently I upgraded my laptop from Slackware 3.5 (2.0.34) to 7 (2.2.13).
>The full installation on 3.5 took about 400 megabytes. Imagine my
>surprise when the 7 installation took nearly a gig! Especially when
>my laptop has a 1.3-gig hard drive! Did Slackware really grow that
>much?
Software bloat. The disease seems to be spreading.
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From: MunkE <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: newbie needs some help
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 10:52:51 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I was wondering if anyone with experience in installing red hat 6.2
would lend me a hand. I've run previous versions of RH before but never
with a fat32 drive. Anyone up for a challenge?
Wes Beam
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: How do I set the physical geometry?
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 24 Aug 2000 12:04:17 -0400
Norman Levin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > Modern hard disks do not have anything like a physical geometry in the
> > old-style sense of the term.
> ** until disk go solid state or bubble memory, they certainly have
> a physical geometry.
He never said they didn't have a physical geometry; just that it's
nothing so simple as "cylinders, heads, and sectors per track."
By the way, devices with no moving parts also have a physical
geometry. RAM, for example.
--
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"misfortune, n. The kind of fortune that never misses."
- Ambrose Bierce, The Devil's Dictionary
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