Linux-Setup Digest #475, Volume #19 Fri, 25 Aug 00 17:13:13 EDT
Contents:
Re: Linux, XML, and assalting Windows (Craig Kelley)
hd partionning ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: FYI: Applix vs. StarOffice vs. WP8 for Linux.... ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: modules.conf and fstab ignored in RedHat 6.2 ("Rex Dieter")
sound problem ym719 ("Sean Alvares")
Re: cannot get into Gnome ("ne...")
ISDN problem (Edsko de Vries)
Re: In Shell Prog, How to put current date into a varialbe? (Timo Benk)
Re: In Shell Prog, How to put current date into a varialbe? (Wayne Pollock)
Re: FYI: Applix vs. StarOffice vs. WP8 for Linux.... (Nels Tomlinson)
Trying to install redhat 6.2 (ld)
Re: Linux, XML, and assalting Windows ("Joseph T. Adams")
Re: CD writer setup question ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Kernel and SCSI (Paul Pygeon)
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Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.text.xml,comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux, XML, and assalting Windows
From: Craig Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 25 Aug 2000 12:55:34 -0600
"Joseph T. Adams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
[snip example of bad XML]
> But it does tremendously violate the *spirit* of XML. XML is supposed
> to be human-readable.
And HTML was supposed to be a document tagging system (ie, using
STRONG, EM, QUOTE, etc.); instead it turned into a bad word processing
mess (I, B, BLINK).
Never underestimate the ability of humans to screw things up
(intentionally, more often than not). It'll be interesting to see
how Microsoft's XML looks; I'll give 3:1 odds that it looks like all
those 100-character messes you see in the Windows registry.
> In a binary format, you'd always be at risk of problems due to
> variable field length. That can't happen with XML.
Sure it can:
<MSWORDDATA>
sdlkfjsda;lfkjsda f;lsdkf 2340985r32j23lkr2j r23o978xdf0sdjalfkwj 32
</MSWORDDATA>
(where that contains some encoded table)
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The wheel is turning but the hamster is dead.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: hd partionning
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 18:55:39 GMT
I use to partition my disk that way:
/
/boot
/swap
/usr/local
I have a 26g disk and would like to do something more like:
/
/boot
/swap
/var
/tmp
/usr
/usr/local
/home
but I have no idea of what size should i give to each one. Actually I do
know for :
/boot = about 20m -50m and
/swap = about 2* RAM
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Eric
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: FYI: Applix vs. StarOffice vs. WP8 for Linux....
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 16:52:40 +0100
Grant Edwards <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> did eloquently scribble:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Carl Fink wrote:
>>It's significantly faster than WP on my box. Faster to load, faster
>>to use.
> Really? Faster than WP8 or faster than the new and improved
> Corel-WP-Office-Suite-Windows-Code-linked-with-Winelib thing?
> I haven't tried the latter, but on my machines WP8 is way
> faster than SO.
Yup... I wrote my final year project in WP8... On a 486!
I would've torn all my hair out after a day if I'd tried to do THAT with
StarOffice...
>>That and it works with icewm.
WP8 works with any window manager you care to throw at it.
What's the window manager got to do with me wordprocessor?
Besides... How can it work *with* a window manager when the windowmanager is
rendered totally useless by the StarOffice desktop?
>>Supposedly the next version will decompose it back into applications.
> That would be nice.
Indeed... Why would I want to load up a presentation package, database,
spreadsheet, desktop, planner and web browser when all I want to do is write
a short letter?
I'll never understand the mentality behind that.
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From: "Rex Dieter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: modules.conf and fstab ignored in RedHat 6.2
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 14:10:26 -0500
"D G" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Also, the modules.conf file is getting ignored. Modules won't load or
> unload automatically, even though they worked fine under 6.1. I did
> have to change conf.modules to modules.conf to make 6.2 happy, but that
> was the only change I made. Anyone else having these problems?
My RedHat 6.2 boxes work happily with conf.modules, though both names
(including modules.conf) are supposed to work.
--
Rex Dieter
Computer System Administrator
Mathematics and Statistics
University of Nebraska Lincoln
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From: "Sean Alvares" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: sound problem ym719
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 00:47:47 +0530
i'm using a Yamaha (ym719) isa sound card.sndconfig does not detect the
card. how do i configure it to work with linux.the card gets detected in
windows and works properly.somebody please help.
thanks
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From: "ne..." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: cannot get into Gnome
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 19:31:31 GMT
On Aug 25, 2000 at 14:42, Anson Ng eloquently wrote:
>I just installed Redhat Linux 6.2 onto my new PC. I use a Voodoo3 2000
>w/16MB video card. But after I login, and type "startx" in my shell
>prompt, a little portion (about 10%) on top of the GUI screen shows up.
>And when I move the mousedown to the black region of hte screen, it
>disappears, i.e. everything is visible only at the top 10% of the screen
>after switching to the GUI screen. What would the problem be and how I
>could solve it??
X not configured right. Configure X using xf86config.
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Paradise is exactly like where you are right now ... only much, much better.
-- Laurie Anderson
3:30pm up 46 days, 18:31, 8 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
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From: Edsko de Vries <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: ISDN problem
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 21:33:34 +0200
Hi,
I'm current configuring a Desktop computer to run Linux. After I
finished installing the drivers, everything went fine, including the
ISDN part.
Then I started to try to make StarOffice use TTF fonts (is this
possible???), but I didn't manage. Then I tried to login to Internet to
look for some info on this - ISDN refused to work! The drivers etc. were
okay, and isdnctrl dial ippp0 worked allright as well, but I can't
connect to any site at all... (time out). A routing problem?
/etc/route.conf is just as it used to be... I tried to re-install it
with Yast - still nothing. Any help??
My system is SusE linux 6.4, kernel 2.4.0-test6, Teles 16.3 ISDN kaart
Thanks in advance,
Edsko
PS. I've been messing around with ttf server, but what's the
connection??
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Timo Benk)
Subject: Re: In Shell Prog, How to put current date into a varialbe?
Date: 25 Aug 2000 19:37:14 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hi,
On Fri, 25 Aug 2000 18:35:01 GMT, hover <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> When writing a shell program, I need put the current date into a
>variable. I tried 'a=exec date', but a is the return status of
>command 'date', not the output of 'date'.
#!/bin/sh
DATE=`/bin/date`
Be sure to use ` instead of '.
Ciao,
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From: Wayne Pollock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: In Shell Prog, How to put current date into a varialbe?
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 15:32:20 -0400
Try:
FOO=`date`
in bash, ksh, or sh. You should also get one of the many fine books
on shell programming!
-Wayne Pollock
hover wrote:
>
> Hi, all
>
> When writing a shell program, I need put the current date into a
> variable. I tried 'a=exec date', but a is the return status of
> command 'date', not the output of 'date'.
>
> Can anyone tell me how to do it?
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From: Nels Tomlinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux.mandrake,comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: FYI: Applix vs. StarOffice vs. WP8 for Linux....
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 09:51:08 -0500
Arthur Sowers wrote:
>
> FYI, I'm a very newbie newbie, but have been dabbling with Linux since
> Summer of '99 (see footnote 1, below on experience summary). I got into
> Linux because I was disgusted with Win9X, by the way.
>
> Mainly I need a wordprocessor and a spreadsheet (something like Excel, if
> possible) and I need that to get work done. The OS and tinkering with it
> is going to be a long, drawn out hobby for me.
>
> I bought WP8 for Linux (Corel's) at a local Sam's club. I bought Sun's
> CD-ROM disk for $10 with StarOffice 5.1 on it (it has versions of SO for
> Win98 [and I have one copy installed as a Win98 ap], Linux, Solaris, and
> OS/2, by the way), and just this weekend, I decided to spring for Applix
> 5.0 (an office suite for Linux) at Best Buy (must have been on sale, the
> cash register rang it up for $62) to see how well it ran.
>
> All of my boxes are Red Hat 5.2 except one; that one is RH 6.2. Most are
> 200 mHz, one is 400 mhz. All are 32 MB ram. HDs are 1 gig, or 1 gig
> partitions. I have RH 5.2 running on a 486dx-33 with 8 MB of RAM, by the
> way. The fvwm window manager comes up rather slowly after I type
> "startx" at the prompt, but otherwise is a nice box. Once the window
> manager is up and running, the aps-games-utilities run just a little
> slowly.
>
> I installed SO and WP on several Linux boxes, and Applix on both a 5.2 and
> a 6.2 box.
>
> The Applix install had some glitches. But it launches very fast and exits
> very fast. HOWEVER, I had a bunch of windows open, then closed them before
> exiting the whole ap and shortly afterwards noticed in the terminal window
> that I used to launch the ap a series of warnings regarding "unexpectedly
> destroyed windows" AND a 1.5 MB "core" file in my root directory with a
> buch of gibberish in it. "core" files suggest that something went wrong
> somewhere and that bothered me. I do not see an uninstaller for Applix.
> Applix required an upgrade or override of some glibic libraries. I chose
> the override route. Its a gtk+ application, whatever that means but it
> worried me a little. A launches by typing "applix" at the prompt. The
> manuals for Applix are not too bad, but are certainly not thick. They
> show, in the "install" booklet, a long list of fixed bugs from ver 4.0,
> which is nice. But there is almost nothing there on "trouble-shooting" or
> explaining a few things on options & routes of installing the ap.
>
> SO launches (and exits) very slowly but has not given me any
> "trouble" like a core file or warning messages anywhere (I have had
> crashes under win98 and I have read in a few places now where crashes can
> take place in SO with complex operations). The install of SO (now on five
> boxes) has always been flawless. As I recall, there is an uninstaller for
> SO. SO has a low grade web browser (Id rather use something else) and a
> Newsgroup client that crashed on me several times (from Win98, by the
> way). The email client worked however. SO is launched by typing
> "./soffice" at the prompt. (you can also click on the menu icon on the KDE
> desktop). Its nice that you can download SO, for any of the four OSes,
> from Sun's website, for free. SO ver 5.2 is on a CD-ROM (with other
> aps/games/utilities) for, I think, this month's issue of "Maximum Linux."
>
> WP launches (and exits) faster than SO but slower than A. Its also quite
> good and well behaved (i.e. no core files generated, no error messages
> generated in the launch terminal screen. WP is just a word processor, but
> if you don't need math functions or cell formulas, you can create
> "tables" in grids as a low functionality "spreadsheet" in WP. WP launches
> by typing "./wp" at the prompt in the "bin" directory. I had a chance to
> use the uninstaller in WP8 to remove WP from a directory I did not want it
> in and then reinstall it into a directory I did want it in, and the
> uninstaller worked flawlessly. No residual files or directories.
>
> I've configured printing for SO and WP8 at least three of the RH 5.2 boxes
> and it needs about the same amount of tinkering as for Windows to get a
> printer to run.
>
> I expect to spend a fair bit more time evaluating these three packages
> before getting set up with one of them with my regular work.
>
> Arthur E. Sowers
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>
> footnote:
> I'd like to put in a word for Red Hat 5.2 and 6.2: I've put 5.2 on six
> boxes so far, including the slow 486 with 8 MB of ram, without a failure
> or glitch (most will boot off their HD, two need a boot disk [the trick I
> learned is to make two native partitions, one is a small "/boot" native
> partition and the second is a large root "/" partition during the install
> setup]). Most other distributions I've tried sometimes crash on install,
> or always crash on install. AND, nobody is paying me to say this. I have
> no relation with Red Hat or anyone who works there. I always used the
> "text-based" install. Sometimes the graphics installs don't work.
>
> I've also had my share of screw-ups with Linux such as getting into stuff
> without knowing how to get out of it, or doing stupid things at the
> command line. And, otherwise having to reinstall Linux a few times. It
> helps to read a good book on Linux/Unix and at least be aware of those
> little details that can blow up your install.
Hi,
I'd recommend tht you try Star Office 5.2. I've used 5.1 and been
disappointed, but 5.2 seems to be quite a bit better. It imports
MSOffice stuff VERY well, though the MBA students here are sometimes
clever (in the negative, ironic sense) enough that their homework
assignments screw it up a bit. Also, 32M is really not enough RAM for
SO. I've 112M, and that's useable, but more would be better.
I've been using Gnumeric a bit, when I need a spreadsheet. It seems to
be pretty good, and not as bloated as SO. SO is nice, but it's just so
big when you load it all at once, as seems to be necessary!
Normally I don't use the word-processors at all. I use emacs for
entering text and programming, and Latex when I need pretty output.
Once you get past the hurdle of getting the first document written, it
seems to be much easier to get a really nice-looking result in a given
amount of effort. This way I concentrate on what I want to say, rather
than getting hung up on formatting. I have used this for a couple of
little papers, for many quizzes and tests, and will be using it for my
dissertation.
I'd like to hear your opinions on Applix and Corel, once you've settled
on one or another office package.
Good luck,
Nels Tomlinson
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (ld)
Subject: Trying to install redhat 6.2
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 20:07:10 GMT
On Fri, 25 Aug 2000 14:27:29 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (ld) wrote:
>Ok, I can't get past the "Loading aic7xxx driver" screen.
>
>Here's what I have:
>
>1) Adaptec 2940U2w SCSI card
>1) Western Digital 9100
>1) SCSI containment hot-swap box....
>
>
>So the card plugs into this backboard that the drives plug into -
>hence no cable actually goes to the hard drives...
>
>
>Originally i had 2 cards with one WD drive attached, but that failed
>so i wanted to get down to the basics....
>
>Here's the results I get on the Alt-F3 screen
>* probing buses
>* finished probing uses
>* found suggesstion of aic7xxx
>* found aic7xxx device
>* found suggesstion of ncr53c8xx
>* found ncr53c8xx device
>* found suggesstion of ncr53c8xx
>* found ncr53c8xx device
>* found devices justProbe is 0
>* going to insmod aic7xxx.o (path is null)
>
>On the ALT-F4 screen i get
>
><4> SCSI host 0 channel 0 reset (pid7) timed out - trying harder
><4> SCSI bus is being reset for host 0 channel 0
>
>this repeats over and over and over again...
>
>Any suggesstions?
>
>
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From: "Joseph T. Adams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.text.xml,comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux, XML, and assalting Windows
Date: 25 Aug 2000 20:41:42 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy Craig Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: "Joseph T. Adams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
: [snip example of bad XML]
:> But it does tremendously violate the *spirit* of XML. XML is supposed
:> to be human-readable.
: And HTML was supposed to be a document tagging system (ie, using
: STRONG, EM, QUOTE, etc.); instead it turned into a bad word processing
: mess (I, B, BLINK).
: Never underestimate the ability of humans to screw things up
: (intentionally, more often than not). It'll be interesting to see
: how Microsoft's XML looks; I'll give 3:1 odds that it looks like all
: those 100-character messes you see in the Windows registry.
I've seen it, and you're right, it does. But that's Microsoft.
I don't ascribe to XML, or any other technology, the magic power to
turn Microsoft's gang of Mafia-like thugs* into decent, sensible human
beings. Only God can do that, and thus far, for reasons I don't
understand, He's chosen not to.
However, XML, when used sensibly by sensible people, in the places
where it's appropriate, solves a whole mess of problems, without, as
far as I can see, creating any new ones in the process.
:> In a binary format, you'd always be at risk of problems due to
:> variable field length. That can't happen with XML.
: Sure it can:
: <MSWORDDATA>
: sdlkfjsda;lfkjsda f;lsdkf 2340985r32j23lkr2j r23o978xdf0sdjalfkwj 32
: </MSWORDDATA>
: (where that contains some encoded table)
That will parse just fine.
It won't be very useful to anyone but M$. But XML never promised to
make all data useful.
Joe
* With apologies to any real Mafia thugs out there.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: CD writer setup question
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 20:39:37 GMT
Well, I've been able to get halfway there using some of the excellent
material I've found on the web, but I'm still having a problem.
First, dmesg shows that scsi emulation is working:
scsi0 : SCSI host adapter emulation for IDE ATAPI devices
scsi : 1 host.
Vendor: TOSHIBA Model: CD-ROM XM-6502B Rev: 1013
Type: CD-ROM ANSI SCSI revision: 02
Detected scsi CD-ROM sr0 at scsi0, channel 0, id 0, lun 0
Vendor: HP Model: CD-Writer+ 9300 Rev: 1.0b
Type: CD-ROM ANSI SCSI revision: 02
Detected scsi CD-ROM sr1 at scsi0, channel 0, id 1, lun 0
scsi : detected 2 SCSI cdroms total.
sr0: scsi3-mmc drive: 40x/40x cd/rw xa/form2 cdda tray
Uniform CD-ROM driver Revision: 3.11
sr1: scsi3-mmc drive: 20x/32x writer cd/rw xa/form2 cdda tray
But cdrecord still doesn't seem to see them:
[rdosser@brittanicus rdosser]$ sudo /opt/schily/bin/cdrecord -scanbus
Cdrecord 1.8.1a03 (i686-pc-linux-gnu) Copyright (C) 1995-2000 J�rg
Schilling
/opt/schily/bin/cdrecord: No such file or directory. Cannot open SCSI
driver.
/opt/schily/bin/cdrecord: For possible targets try 'cdrecord -scanbus'.
Make sure you are root.
Any thoughts?
Thanks,
Ralph Dosser
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From: Paul Pygeon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Kernel and SCSI
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 17:01:23 -0400
Hi all,
I've recompiled my 2.2.16 kernel with usb patch
but when I reboot my linux, new kernel don't
recognize my aha152x SCSI card and drop to
a shell.
When I boot with original 2.2.16 kernel, everything
work fine.
I've tried anything but nothing work.
Config:
Mandrake 7.1(helium)
kernel 2.2.16 named bzusb with usb patch
How can I tell to my bzusb kernel to load
aha152x module for my scsi card.
Thanks :)
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