Linux-Setup Digest #479, Volume #19              Sat, 26 Aug 00 10:13:09 EDT

Contents:
  Re: Linux, XML, and assalting Windows
  Re: Debian Potato 1.2 root floppy problem (Colin Watson)
  Re: Get rid of LILO in the MBR ("Carl R. Thorpe")
  Re: Get rid of LILO in the MBR ("TongEng Chiah")
  Re: bot floppy ("Tony Neville")
  Re: access linux partition from windows ("TongEng Chiah")
  Re: Help for newbie stuck with linux boot floppy ("TongEng Chiah")
  Re: Linux, XML, and assalting Windows (Ian Pulsford)
  Re: X windows (The Contact)
  Problems with ppp (Frank Geschner)
  Re: Monitor ip masq? ("Jan Lucas")
  Re: Help!!! Cant get Linux to install, tried 4 distros ("philo")
  Newbie : setting up a HP Laserjet 4L on Mandrake ("Luc Van Bogaert")
  Re: Linux, XML, and assalting Windows ("paul snow")
  Re: Get rid of LILO in the MBR (Mike Walsted)
  Re: Linux, XML, and assalting Windows ("paul snow")
  Re: Help!!! Cant get Linux to install, tried 4 distros (Mike Walsted)
  Re: init.d (Cannon Fodder)
  Re: Stupid Question - 1
  Re: Help for newbie stuck with linux boot floppy ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
  modem reccomendations ("Mike Williams")

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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.text.xml,comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux, XML, and assalting Windows
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 01:07:45 -0700
Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


Ian Pulsford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...

> Who's me?  The casual web browser, the company vice president, the
> programmer?
> Answer: nothing unless you know what the hell it is.
> If two companies wanted to share the data then they would agree on a
> method of encryption.  If someone wanted to share it with the whole world
> then they would make it nice simple english (swahili whatever).

If a software developer wanted the files generated by their programs to be
useless to anything but their own brand of software, using the XML file
format to save the data won't help make the data useful to any competing
software.  Some may say at least the file is stored in a standard format,
but experience proves that if you can not interpret the data, the format is
useless anyway.  Some say at least you can still parse it, but experience
still proves that the data is useless if you can not interpret it.  Since
this format does have an overhead that consumes real resources, you not only
not gain anything by an non-portable XML file, you in fact lose resources.
In the business world this would add up to real money lost.

One of the most foolish claims in this thread was the one that XML make Mac
OS X bundles so great.  XML provides nothing in that situation it is simply
the data format the Apple seletect to use.  Just about any other format
could have done the job as well, it is the algorithms and the packing of the
bundles and the data stored about the bundles that make the difference.
Does anyone seriously believe that if Apple had chosen another data format
instead of XML, that it would have made any difference is the functionality
of the bundles?

Would using XML formatted data make RPM or DEB packages any better or worse?
In a word, NO.

It seems that too many people are so worked up about the XML format that
they are crediting it with magical properties.



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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Colin Watson)
Subject: Re: Debian Potato 1.2 root floppy problem
Date: 25 Aug 2000 20:17:50 GMT

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>More information: the root image in question, still current AFAIK, is:
>
>  debian/dists/potato/main/disks-i386/2.2.16-2000-07-14/images-1.20/root.bin
>  -rw-rw-r--    1 troup    debadmin  1228800 Jul  5 14:18 root.bin
>  cf2ef71f4a9e90c2f6013ba3b2257ed2  ./images-1.200i/root.bin
>
>Closer inspection (with od) reveals that the reason it doesn't work is
>that it consists entirely of nulls.

Ouch. I've reported this as a Severity: important bug.

>Looks like there was a gap in the testing procedures.  Maybe they
>don't have any machines old enough to boot from 1.2M drives :-).

"They" here = anybody who felt like testing potato, of course, not the
people in Debian's non-existent offices :)

>So the question remains: where to find a fixed Potato 1.2M i386 
>root image? (I don't have CVS.)

The testing images of the next version of boot-floppies still have this
problem. I'll be notified automatically when the bug is closed, so I'll
let you know as soon as that happens.

-- 
Colin Watson                                     [[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
"Oh baby you're the only thing in this whole world / That's pure and
 good and bright / And wherever you are and wherever you go / There's
 always gonna be some light" - Meat Loaf, "Bat Out Of Hell"

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From: "Carl R. Thorpe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Get rid of LILO in the MBR
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 03:06:12 -0500

boot with a win98 startup disk and type fdisk /mbr at the command prompt.



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Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 16:38:17 +0800
From: "TongEng Chiah" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Get rid of LILO in the MBR

at the dos prompt, do a

    fdisk /mbr



Stephan J <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:8o7mk8$llj$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Hi all,
>
> I have installed LILO and now wish to install Windows 98 over it,  I don't
> know why?  How can I get rid of LILO?  I have created new partitions but
> still get the LI when my new operating system boots.
>
> --
> Stephan J
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>



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From: "Tony Neville" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: bot floppy
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 20:53:23 +1200


<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:8o64u8$sco$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> I may have asked this in this forum before; if so I'm sorry. I boot my
> system off a floppy created from bzisk when I upgraded my kernel to
> 2.2.16. I need some way to list the contents so I can create or update
> lilo.conf to add parameters to enable my ide CDR/RW to emulate SCSI. I
> have overwritten the boot floppy created from the linux original
> installation.

The bzdisk created has no filesystem and no lilo boot-manager installed.
Special boot code was written to the first sector and, when run, loads the
kernel image from the diskette track by track

To make another bootdisk you can enter "mkbootdisk --device /dev/fd0
<version>" where version is the kernel version, e.g., 2.2.14-12

If the lilo boot-manager is already installed on the HD, and you're happy with
the lilo configuration, stick a diskette into the drive and enter "lilo -b
/dev/fd0".  By default, the lilo command will use the /etc/lilo.conf on your
HD when installing the boot manager to the diskette thereby duplicating
the settings.

Append "-C yaddayada/lilo.conf" to the command if you would like to
specify a different lilo.conf.

Cheers,
           Tony




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Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 16:55:57 +0800
From: "TongEng Chiah" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: access linux partition from windows

another alternative, u can run samba server on linux

see the SMB HOWTO for more details

Dusty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> I don't think it can be done. Windows doesnt know how to recognize ext2
> filesystems. It just labels them as Non-DOS and ignores them.
>
> Good Luck,
> Dusty
>
> Registered with the Linux Counter
> http://counter.li.org/
> User #179723



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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc,alt.os.linux
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 16:43:39 +0800
From: "TongEng Chiah" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Help for newbie stuck with linux boot floppy

i think ur hardisk is bigger than 8.4Mb, and linux may have problem
accessing beyond 1024 cylinders.

to solve the problem, boot up using ur floppy
    edit the file /etc/lilo.conf

there should be a option linear in the file, change it to lba32
if not, just added lba32 in
after that, do a
    /sbin/lilo

reboot after that.

<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Hi, any help appreciated.......
>
> I'm currently using Gentus Linux GPL v3.0 with a dual Celeron ABIT BP-6
> motherboard. I am using a boot floppy to boot into the system. My
> regular LILO gets stuck at LI....and died. I'm using ATA66 harddisks
> (and they are detected properly once we pass the initial boot sequence),
> and i believe the kernel is already specially compiled in the CD to run
> with ATA66.
>
> Am I missing something? There is also a problem when i use upgrade
> option in the Gentus CD to upgrade to a higher version Linux(such as
> from Gentus v1.0 to Gentus v3.0). It always get stuck, i suspect the
> installer was unable to properly read the harddisk geometry.....and i
> have to install as fresh.    :-(
>
> Thank you for any help.
>
> Regards
> Damon
>
> P.S. - Gentus distro is very similar  to RedHat distro(actually i
> believe it's exactly alike except with kernel compiled to handle UDMA
> and some other special drivers).



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Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 19:27:47 +1000
From: Ian Pulsford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.text.xml,comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux, XML, and assalting Windows

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Ian Pulsford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> > Who's me?  The casual web browser, the company vice president, the
> > programmer?
> > Answer: nothing unless you know what the hell it is.
> > If two companies wanted to share the data then they would agree on a
> > method of encryption.  If someone wanted to share it with the whole world
> > then they would make it nice simple english (swahili whatever).
>
> If a software developer wanted the files generated by their programs to be
> useless to anything but their own brand of software, using the XML file
> format to save the data won't help make the data useful to any competing
> software.

That tends to be the aim of competing commercial proprietary systems anyway.

> Some may say at least the file is stored in a standard format,
> but experience proves that if you can not interpret the data, the format is
> useless anyway.  Some say at least you can still parse it, but experience
> still proves that the data is useless if you can not interpret it.  Since
> this format does have an overhead that consumes real resources, you not only
> not gain anything by an non-portable XML file, you in fact lose resources.
> In the business world this would add up to real money lost.

I suspect it's all part of webifying data, the road to XHTML.

> One of the most foolish claims in this thread was the one that XML make Mac
> OS X bundles so great.  XML provides nothing in that situation it is simply
> the data format the Apple seletect to use.  Just about any other format
> could have done the job as well, it is the algorithms and the packing of the
> bundles and the data stored about the bundles that make the difference.
> Does anyone seriously believe that if Apple had chosen another data format
> instead of XML, that it would have made any difference is the functionality
> of the bundles?

> Would using XML formatted data make RPM or DEB packages any better or worse?
> In a word, NO.

I agree with you XML should stick to database type info and leave binary type
info to another format.

> It seems that too many people are so worked up about the XML format that
> they are crediting it with magical properties.

Yeh, there seems to be a lot of hype.  I guess it's the new toy syndrome.

IanP


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From: The Contact <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: X windows
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 10:02:41 GMT

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> I would like to run multiple X window sessions on my RH6.2 System..how do it
> do it....
> 
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.

$ startx -- :#

with # being an number from 0 to 5.

-- 
The Contact
"Knowledge should be free; appliance not."
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

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From: Frank Geschner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Problems with ppp
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 12:20:37 +0200

Hi,

i've got problems with kppp. Last week i bought SuSE Linux 7.0. Before i
used SuSE Linux 6.1. The internet connection was created by kppp. Since
i have SuSE Linux 7.0, i want to use the program kinternet. For that
purpose i had to start YaST2 to configure the modem. However YaST2
terminated without message.
Because of that i would take the kppp-program again. Here i get problems
with the connection. I configured the program like before. After click
on the button Connect the modem dials the number. While the connection
to network the dial terminated with the following error-message:
****************Begin Message**********************
pppd: By default the remote system is required to authenticate itself
pppd: (because this system has a default route to the internet)
pppd: but I couldn't find any suitable secret (password) for it to use
to do so.pppd: (None of the available passwords would let it use an IP
address.)
******************End Messager**********************
I dont know, what i can do to solve this problem.
Can anybody help me?
I'm grateful for every advice.

Thanks Frank from Chemnitz (Germany)

_________________________________________

e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
_________________________________________



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From: "Jan Lucas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: Monitor ip masq?
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 12:42:15 +0200

> How can I monitor IP Masq. traffic, such as which web site each user is
> going to?
if you want i a way to monitor the web traffic with smaller more readable
logs than you should try to install squid as an transparent proxy. it has
logging and access controll functions especially for http. And when you use
it as an transparent proxy, your clients will not know that they connect
over an proxy and must not change any proxy options.

                                                                        Jan



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From: "philo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Help!!! Cant get Linux to install, tried 4 distros
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 06:03:17 -0500

the hardware in your machine is probably just not going to work.
also...if you are planning to use the gui...a 486 machine with 24meg ram
will work poorly even if you did get linux installed.
here is my $20 solution.
see if you could talk your parents into putting a removable drive kit in the
new machine...then take the 2gig drive out of the 486...pop it in the new
machine and experiment with linux to your hearts content...
you can try numerous distributions and see what you like best...
Philo



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From: "Luc Van Bogaert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: "Luc Van Bogaert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Newbie : setting up a HP Laserjet 4L on Mandrake
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 11:48:55 GMT

Hi,

I've just installed Mandrake 7.1 and all is working well, except for
sound and my printer. I suppose setting up the printer should be the
easiest of the two...

I have a HP Laserjet 4L whih should be supported.

The tools provided with Mandrake don't seem to work to set up the
printer.

Can anyone here spare some advice, directions or sources of information
to get this printer set up?

Any help is appreciated

Thanks


Luc Van Bogaert



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From: "paul snow" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.text.xml,comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux, XML, and assalting Windows
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 12:52:59 GMT


> > Let's reexamine the long suffering example again.  You are using an
office
> > productivity application.  You are working on a document that consumes 5
Meg
> > stored in a non-XML file.  You are given the option of saving it in
either
> > XML or the program's native format.  You choose the XML file format.
When
> > you examine the file you have just saved you find the XML the following
XML
> > "tokens" the the start of the file.
> >
> > <?xml version="1.0" encoding="iso-8859-1" ?>
> > <!DOCTYPE RST "http://localhost/fubar.dtd>
> > <RST>
> >     <R ID="0" >
> >     <F0>
> >
> > Followed by 6.5Meg of data of the follow kind
> >
> > alahasdfnaxvc9qweafva8712345lkf0asdf
> >
> > Followed by the closing tags:
> >
> >    </F0>
> >    </R>
> > </RST>
> >
> > What have you gained?
>
> Who's me?  The casual web browser, the company vice president, the
> programmer?
> Answer: nothing unless you know what the hell it is.
> If two companies wanted to share the data then they would agree on a
> method of encryption.  If someone wanted to share it with the whole world
> then they would make it nice simple english (swahili whatever).
>
> IanP

This is really getting close to what the origional post was all about!  Only
it is isn't what is in the document that I want to know, but the information
that is typically "encrypted" into the installation program!  I want to know
what files, directories, configuration settings, etc. that a program relies
on in order to be operational.  I know this information is in the install
program the developer provided.  Thus I often uninstall and reinstall the
program to try to fix the program (success rate: 20 percent).

The problem is that every software component is handed to me in the same,
encrypted format (a pile of installs from various venders).  No meta
information about how these structures are supposed to be interrelated.  No
single and separate "installation" facility (or what I would call a
"Software Rendering Facility") for collecting and tracking this information.

Perhaps the developer doesn't WANT me to know what they are going to do to
my computer's storage in order to install their program.  Well, in that
case, I don't want their product.  I am sick and tired of having a dead
machine because some stinking DLL or registry setting is screwed up, and I
haven't got any reasonable way of figuring it out.  In fact, I have such a
laptop (a four week old, top of the line Dell with a dead Windows 98)
sitting right over there in the corner.

My point is we have gotten past the idea that the writer is responsible for
laying out each page in a document.  Let's get over the idea that each
developer has the responsibility for laying out my storage.

There is little to hide when it comes to how to install software.  So why
don't developers just lay out what they need done in plain English (or
swahili whatever) already!






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From: Mike Walsted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Get rid of LILO in the MBR
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 13:07:18 GMT

One method is to use a DOS boot floppy with fdisk and run
fdisk /mbr



On Sat, 26 Aug 2000, Stephan J wrote:
>Hi all,
>
>I have installed LILO and now wish to install Windows 98 over it,  I don't
>know why?  How can I get rid of LILO?  I have created new partitions but
>still get the LI when my new operating system boots.
>
>--
>Stephan J
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]

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From: "paul snow" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.text.xml,comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: Linux, XML, and assalting Windows
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 13:12:53 GMT

Let me get this straight.  I have posted a fairly long document that claims
that installation of software is nothing more than properly rendering
storage.  I also claim that this can be done automatically by a third party
so long as the developer exposes enough information (i.e. what must exist in
storage in terms of files, directories, and configuration settings) for a
third party to construct such a rendering.  Assuming we can do that, I go on
to lay out the associated benefits of the approach.

It would seem that you believe file system defining a computer system's
configuration is something more than just another structured data format.
It must be magic, then?

I am not the one that believes in Witchcraft.

Bob Hauck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On Fri, 25 Aug 2000 22:40:10 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> [snip miracle-working]
>
> >Let's try to discuss what it is going to take to make the above
> >happen.
>
> Oh, you'll be having a talk about witchcraft then?
>
> [snip a few hundred lines of handwaving]
>
>
> --
>  -| Bob Hauck
>  -| To Whom You Are Speaking
>  -| http://www.haucks.org/



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From: Mike Walsted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Help!!! Cant get Linux to install, tried 4 distros
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 13:13:46 GMT

Mandrake is easy, but it is compiled for i586.  Bad floppies are common; you
may wish re-download the boot images from RedHat, rewrite the images to
disks, and try that one again.  By the way, you know that OpenBSD is not Linux,
right?  If it doesn't matter, you may want to try FreeBSD.  The one time I
tried that it seemed to load pretty easily.  

On Sat, 26 Aug 2000, SOME1 wrote:
>I have a:
>1) 486/66 (Genuine Intel)
>2) 24 Ram (SIMM)
>3) a 2 gb hd, a .5 gb hd
>4) Cirrus Logic generic 2 mb video card
>No SCSI
>
>My Problem: With  Redhat 6.2, my boot floppies absoulutely refused to work,
>                       With Slackware 4.0, I couldn't get the hard drive to
>partition, I would set the table, everything would be going fine, but it
>wouldn't actually format the partitions.
>                        With OpenBSD 2.3(I think, 2 lazy to go look) It was
>the same thing (Could they have made that install any less user-friendly
>; ))
>                        With Storm 2000, It would actually start installing,
>but at some point it would just stop. Not freeze, I could still move the
>windows, mouse etc, but the install stopped.
>
>I have access to a Mandrake 6.1, Corel and some European version if any
>thinks I should just try another distro.
>Any advice anyone has would be greatly appreciated.
>Also, I feel kind of stupid asking this, but how do u use the C compiler,
>the MAKE program and all those other installer type things. Im new to linux
>and come from a Microsoft-infected background (in fact, my parents wont even
>let me set our 650 mhz box up to dual boot) so I really, reallllllllly need
>help.
>Thanks,
>    D-503
>              "How could I have found this so difficult before? It is clear
>now what I must do. The only explanation is my former sickness (the soul)."
>                                                                            
>                                -D-503, after the operation which removed
>his
>imagination, thus making him a slave to society.
>
>from "We" by Yvegnev Zamyatin

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From: Cannon Fodder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: init.d
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 13:15:30 GMT

Hmmm, does your script include a check for $0
within it's 'case' ... 'esac' block for the
symbolical filename?  Not just for $1 which would
be 'start' or 'stop' if you manually controlled
the service?

$0==K97surv=>'stop'
$0==S97surv=>'start'

Just a thought...
Luke

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On Sun, 27 Aug 2000, Michel Tremblay wrote:

> My script is "surv"
> When copy my script in /etc/rc.d/init.d/surv
> I don't look this service in the ntsysv(text mode menu tool - systeme
> service)
> my symbolique link its /etc/rc.d/rc0.d/K97surv->init.d/surv
>                                   /etc/rc.d/rc3.d/S97surv->init.d/surv
> 
> when start Linux redhat 6.1 the script is not starting Why!
> In the terminal i execute this script and its ok
>          Example:   /etc/rc.d/init.d/surv start
>          Reponse:  Service starting...                   [  OK  ]
> 
> 
> 


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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Stupid Question - 1
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 13:47:37 GMT


GreatFree <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:8o7rpu$jtg$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Dear All,
>
> I have a large hard disk :-). so I plan to install both Windows & Linux.
Now
> Windows is installed. But I don't know how to install Linux on my hard
disk.
> I have a F: disk that is more than 9G. Can I install Linux on it? How can
I
> do it?
>
> Thanks,
> Bing
>
The best way is to repartion the disk with something like partition magic,
free up some disk space and install.



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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc,alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: Help for newbie stuck with linux boot floppy
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 21:53:26 +0800

Thank you,....i will tried it!!

TongEng Chiah wrote:

> i think ur hardisk is bigger than 8.4Mb, and linux may have problem
> accessing beyond 1024 cylinders.
>
> to solve the problem, boot up using ur floppy
>     edit the file /etc/lilo.conf
>
> there should be a option linear in the file, change it to lba32
> if not, just added lba32 in
> after that, do a
>     /sbin/lilo
>
> reboot after that.
>
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Hi, any help appreciated.......
> >
> > I'm currently using Gentus Linux GPL v3.0 with a dual Celeron ABIT BP-6
> > motherboard. I am using a boot floppy to boot into the system. My
> > regular LILO gets stuck at LI....and died. I'm using ATA66 harddisks
> > (and they are detected properly once we pass the initial boot sequence),
> > and i believe the kernel is already specially compiled in the CD to run
> > with ATA66.
> >
> > Am I missing something? There is also a problem when i use upgrade
> > option in the Gentus CD to upgrade to a higher version Linux(such as
> > from Gentus v1.0 to Gentus v3.0). It always get stuck, i suspect the
> > installer was unable to properly read the harddisk geometry.....and i
> > have to install as fresh.    :-(
> >
> > Thank you for any help.
> >
> > Regards
> > Damon
> >
> > P.S. - Gentus distro is very similar  to RedHat distro(actually i
> > believe it's exactly alike except with kernel compiled to handle UDMA
> > and some other special drivers).


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From: "Mike Williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: modem reccomendations
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 10:01:29 -0400

Hi,

I am running Win98, 2000, Mandrake, and BeOS off of my system and I am
looking for a good modem recomendation. I have a Win Modem now and that does
not play nice with Linux.

And even though it is supposed to run with BeOS I cannot get online there
either. Any suggestions would be appreciated.

I am leaning towards an external USB model, any drawbacks to this?

Thanks

~M~



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