Linux-Setup Digest #480, Volume #19 Sat, 26 Aug 00 13:13:15 EDT
Contents:
newbie cant set up corel os (ed)
Re: X windows set up 'is this OK screen' not ok ("Dan Jacobson")
Re: modem reccomendations (Chiefy)
Re: modem reccomendations ("Mike Williams")
Path doesnt get set! ("Ingemar Lundin")
Where is ppp? Mdk 7.1 Maximum Linux CD ("Gerardo")
Realtek RTL-8029 doesn't work under Redhat 6.2 (santi srilasak)
Realtek RTL-8029 doesn't work under Redhat 6.2 (santi srilasak)
Re: Kernel compiling: I need an expert:) (Kasper Dupont)
Re: Help for newbie stuck with linux boot floppy (Leonard Evens)
Re: Linux, XML, and assalting Windows (Bob Hauck)
Re: Linux, XML, and assalting Windows (Bob Hauck)
increase microphone volume ("Anton Suchaneck")
imwheel stopped working ("Anton Suchaneck")
Re: Linux, XML, and assalting Windows
Re: access linux partition from windows (Paul Lew)
Changing KDE-Themes each time ("Anton Suchaneck")
Re: Linux, XML, and assalting Windows
Re: Linux, XML, and assalting Windows (Craig Kelley)
Re: Where is ppp? Mdk 7.1 Maximum Linux CD (Viviane Beullens)
RH 6.2 and PCMCIA ("Jeff Munoz")
Re: Linux, XML, and assalting Windows
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From: ed <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: newbie cant set up corel os
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 14:12:29 GMT
hello group
have tray,t cuple times to setup corel os bad evary time qwick instal
stops on 97% {have gaht 3 new cdroms that cant be theproblem ?} have
trun off all in the back grounde runging programs off have tray to
copy in dos bad than i doint geht all the filles i need i have
now down load a tool that cant copy file direct off cd rom
can copy now base boot ? help
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From: "Dan Jacobson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux.mandrake
Subject: Re: X windows set up 'is this OK screen' not ok
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 22:24:57 +0800
"Steve Bradley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ���g��l��
news:bwTo5.11494$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> I might be waaay off base with this, but I thought that screen was just
to
> show you the monitor and vidcard running at that resolution.
Presumably,
> if the resolution settings you chose were unsupported (most likely by
your
> monitor, but maybe also your card) you'd get shit on the screen instead
of
> that little OK box. If you don't reply in the timeout period, it
assumes
> it was bad (that you probably couldn't read the screen) and reverts back
> to it's original settings. Windows does the same thing when you are
I thought it then assumes it was OK and accepts the new settings ... its
next beheaviour thus needs to be stated on the previous screen.
> trying a new resolution out for the first time, that way you don't get
> stuck with your OS set into a resolution that you can't view on your
> monitor and no way to get back into the GUI to fix it.
> .
> Of course, this isn't a problem with Linux since you can always init3
and
> fix it by hand...
> .
> As for the SIZE and PLACEMENT of the screen - those adjustments are best
> made on the monitor itself (my video card supports making them via
> software, but it doesn't work well...)
Hmmm, the windows screen comes up perfectly fit, but the Linux screen
comes up a tad small and a tad off center... if I say, center the linux
screeen, will the windows screen be then off center to the opposite
direction on the next reboot?
> In article <8o0psk$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Dan Jacobson"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Unimpressed with Mandrake 7.0 install script: when it gets to the
> > testing X windows screen occupation area, there is a big white square
> > covering most of the screen with an "is this OK?" box with a time out.
> > Fundamental flaw: lets say the box exceeds the screen edges, this
would
> > look the same as an exact match with the screen edges... therefore
there
> > needs to be a scale bar added so one can see if indeed they are at 0
> > -----50----- 0
> > [correct], or at 33 ----- 50 ------33 etc. or various other screw ups,
> > use your imagination to implement. Scale bar should be two: vert. &
> > horiz..
> >
> > And, OK, it wasn't OK, it was slightly shifted to the left of center
and
> > there was a 1/2 inch of wasted blackness around the edges [or is that
> > the new aesthetic style?]... but the script doesn't have any easy
> > adjustment buttons.
> > --
> > www.geocities.com/jidanni ... fix e-mail address to reply; �n����
> > Tel:+886-4-5854780; starting in year 2001: +886-4-25854780
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chiefy)
Subject: Re: modem reccomendations
Date: 26 Aug 2000 14:50:23 GMT
On Sat, 26 Aug 2000 10:01:29 -0400, Mike Williams did say to the dudes:
>I am running Win98, 2000, Mandrake, and BeOS off of my system and I am
>looking for a good modem recomendation. I have a Win Modem now and that does
>not play nice with Linux.
>
>And even though it is supposed to run with BeOS I cannot get online there
>either. Any suggestions would be appreciated.
[snip]
Have you thought of a good ol' ISA internal?. There's still a few about,
and cheap too.
BTW We're thinking of having a look at BeOS. What do you think of it?
--
LGB.
"Christ's sakes, LGB. If we shot the loons, you'd be dead right now."
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From: "Mike Williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: modem reccomendations
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 10:49:28 -0400
If memory serves me correctly I am running an ISA now, I may be wrong.
Everything I hear points at using a external modem for the best performance
and compatiblity, but I have yet to make a decision.
As far as Be goes I like it enough so far but have not used it enough to
make a decision one way or the other. One thing for sure is that the install
and setup is essentially mindless when compared tio a linux install.
Hit install and you are off and running and it installs to a native Win
partition. A good choice for newbs I think. But at the same time a fairly
poweerful OS with a lot of nice add-ons.
~M~
"Chiefy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On Sat, 26 Aug 2000 10:01:29 -0400, Mike Williams did say to the dudes:
> >I am running Win98, 2000, Mandrake, and BeOS off of my system and I am
> >looking for a good modem recomendation. I have a Win Modem now and that
does
> >not play nice with Linux.
> >
> >And even though it is supposed to run with BeOS I cannot get online there
> >either. Any suggestions would be appreciated.
> [snip]
>
> Have you thought of a good ol' ISA internal?. There's still a few about,
> and cheap too.
>
> BTW We're thinking of having a look at BeOS. What do you think of it?
>
> --
> LGB.
>
> "Christ's sakes, LGB. If we shot the loons, you'd be dead right now."
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From: "Ingemar Lundin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Path doesnt get set!
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 15:13:00 GMT
Hi!
Just finished installing qt2.11 for Opera that i downloaded, since qt
was'nt installed bfore i had to set $QTDIR in my .profile, but the
strange thing is
that if i put a .profile in my /root folder the path doesnt get set but
if i put it in the /etc/profile it does; anyone got a clue as to why?
Running RedHat 6.2
/IL
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From: "Gerardo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux.mandrake
Subject: Where is ppp? Mdk 7.1 Maximum Linux CD
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 11:30:10 -0400
I just installed Mandrake 7.1 (the disk that came with Maximum Linux). I
want to setup an internet connection, but I can't find PPP in any of the
menus? I am working on KDE. I am new at this, please help,
Gerardo
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: santi srilasak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Realtek RTL-8029 doesn't work under Redhat 6.2
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 15:29:19 GMT
Hello Guru
I have a problem that ifconfig eth0 can not bring interface
up.
As a message from dmesg says
" ne2k-pci.c:vpre-1.00e 5/27/99 D. Becker/ P Gortmaker ....
WARNING: The PCI BIOS assinged this PCI NE2K card to IRQ 0, which
is unlikly to work.
You should use PCI BIOS Setup to assign IRQ Line
ne2k-pci.c: PCI NE2000 clone 'Realtek RTL-8029' at I/O 0xd000, IRQ 0
eth0: Realtek RTL-8029 found at 0xd000, IRQ 0, 00: 60 :67: 08: A3: B0"
I had tried to use PCI BIOS to set free IRQ lines. But things still be
problem.
As a commnent from Donald Becker that ne2k-pci will scan address at
certain range that 0xd000, above, is out of raage, even though I chaged
pci slot, I/O address stiill be the same.
Any ideas ? or if you know about tool that can set I/O address for this
card. Please Recommend.
Thank you in Adv.
santi srilasak
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From: santi srilasak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Realtek RTL-8029 doesn't work under Redhat 6.2
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 15:29:20 GMT
Hello Guru
I am curently using Realtek RTL-8029 (AS) But Linux can
not
Bring eth0 up. As a message in dmesage says
" ne2k-pci.c: vpre-1.00e5 5/27/99 D. Becker/ P. Gortmaker ...
WARNING: The PCI BIOS assigned this PCI NE2K card to IRQ 0, which
is unlikly to work!.
You should use the PCI BIOS to setup a vallid IRQ line.
ne2k-pci.c: PCI NE2000 clone 'Realtek RTL-8029' at I/O 0xd000, IRQ 0.
eth0: Realtek RTL-8029 found at 0xd000, IRQ 0, 00: 60:67:08:A3: B0."
I had tried to use PCI BIOS to setup free IRQ lines, but thing seems to
be a problem.
As a comment from Donald Becker that ne2k-pci.c will scan card at
certain range that 0xd000 looks out of this value, even though
changing PCI slot, address still be the same, this driver can not scan
IRQ for this card, I am afraid.
Any ideas ? Or if you know abount tool that can set I/O or IRQ for this
card. Please recommend.
Thank you in Adv.
Santi Srilasak
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From: Kasper Dupont <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.system
Subject: Re: Kernel compiling: I need an expert:)
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 17:32:13 +0200
Karl Heyes wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Paul Pygeon
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I've tried to compile a 2.4.0-test6 kernel and everything works fine
> > until I tried to make modules. At this time I've the message below.
> >
> > Also, if I try to boot with my new kernel, I get this message:
> > "Warning: unable to open an initial console
>
> This is because you have removed the console code when you rebuilt the
> kernel. It's only a warning, but not very helpful if you are trying it out.
> check you config. I'm guessing the virtual console stuff.
>
> > Kernel panic: No init found. Try passing init=option to kernel"
>
> This is the showstopper. init is the first process in UNIX terms usually
> located in /sbin. either something is overriding it (odd but possible, check
> the parameters you are passing to the kernel eg lilo.conf), or you maybe
> mounting the wrong partition on /. It still maybe a valid filesystem (eg ext2)
> just not one with an init program where it's expecting it. You can use rdev
> for this.
>
> karl
>
The "Warning: unable to open an initial console" message also
shows up if /dev/console is missing. So a wrong root partition
or using a wrong filesystem sounds likely.
If you are using UMSDOS or booting with a ramdisk there are
a couple of other possible explanations.
--
Kasper Dupont
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From: Leonard Evens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc,alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: Help for newbie stuck with linux boot floppy
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 10:30:18 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Thank you,....i will tried it!!
>
> TongEng Chiah wrote:
>
> > i think ur hardisk is bigger than 8.4Mb, and linux may have problem
> > accessing beyond 1024 cylinders.
> >
> > to solve the problem, boot up using ur floppy
> > edit the file /etc/lilo.conf
> >
> > there should be a option linear in the file, change it to lba32
> > if not, just added lba32 in
> > after that, do a
> > /sbin/lilo
> >
> > reboot after that.
> >
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > Hi, any help appreciated.......
> > >
> > > I'm currently using Gentus Linux GPL v3.0 with a dual Celeron ABIT BP-6
> > > motherboard. I am using a boot floppy to boot into the system. My
> > > regular LILO gets stuck at LI....and died. I'm using ATA66 harddisks
> > > (and they are detected properly once we pass the initial boot sequence),
> > > and i believe the kernel is already specially compiled in the CD to run
> > > with ATA66.
> > >
> > > Am I missing something? There is also a problem when i use upgrade
> > > option in the Gentus CD to upgrade to a higher version Linux(such as
> > > from Gentus v1.0 to Gentus v3.0). It always get stuck, i suspect the
> > > installer was unable to properly read the harddisk geometry.....and i
> > > have to install as fresh. :-(
> > >
> > > Thank you for any help.
> > >
> > > Regards
> > > Damon
> > >
> > > P.S. - Gentus distro is very similar to RedHat distro(actually i
> > > believe it's exactly alike except with kernel compiled to handle UDMA
> > > and some other special drivers).
For the lba32 option to work, you have to be sure you have the
latest version of lilo. There is a good chance your distribution
didn't come with that version.
--
Leonard Evens [EMAIL PROTECTED] 847-491-5537
Dept. of Mathematics, Northwestern Univ., Evanston, IL 60208
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bob Hauck)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.text.xml,comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux, XML, and assalting Windows
Reply-To: bobh{at}haucks{dot}org
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 15:43:40 GMT
On Sat, 26 Aug 2000 12:52:59 GMT, paul snow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Perhaps the developer doesn't WANT me to know what they are going to do to
>my computer's storage in order to install their program. Well, in that
>case, I don't want their product. I am sick and tired of having a dead
>machine because some stinking DLL or registry setting is screwed up, and I
>haven't got any reasonable way of figuring it out. In fact, I have such a
>laptop (a four week old, top of the line Dell with a dead Windows 98)
>sitting right over there in the corner.
Oh, so you're trying to solve the *Windows* install problem. Oh, I see
now. Well, that *is* a problem. Not for me, as I avoid Windows, but
apparently for lots of people. And while the install problem isn't
just a Windows problem, that system does seem to do things less well
than others.
Since you posted this to a bunch of non-Windows groups, I should point
out that here are existing system-level installers for Linux and
FreeBSD that more or less provide what you want. They will give you a
list of files that are to be installed, tell you what other packages
this one depends on (and in some systems they will install those for
you too). The file formats are documented and tools are provided to
extract various information. You can extract all the components and
install them by hand if you want, if not the software keeps a database
of what is installed where so you can do upgrades, a clean uninstall
(modulo files that the program creates at runtime), get verification
that files have not been tampered with, and the like.
These programs are not perfect, but they are vastly better than the
one's I've seen for Windows. Perhaps you should look at these before
you go off redesigning the world in XML. You might get some good ideas
at least, even if they don't do everything you dream of.
>My point is we have gotten past the idea that the writer is responsible
>for laying out each page in a document.
We have? You'd better explain that concept to the 75% of webmasters
who think HTML is a page-layout language.
>Let's get over the idea that each developer has the responsibility for
>laying out my storage.
In his copious spare time, the developer will program so that you can
install any components anywhere and it'll still work.
Clearly, you *aren't* a developer.
--
-| Bob Hauck
-| To Whom You Are Speaking
-| http://www.haucks.org/
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bob Hauck)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.text.xml,comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: Linux, XML, and assalting Windows
Reply-To: bobh{at}haucks{dot}org
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 15:43:42 GMT
On Sat, 26 Aug 2000 13:12:53 GMT, paul snow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Let me get this straight. I have posted a fairly long document that claims
>that installation of software is nothing more than properly rendering
>storage.
You have posted a fairly long document that doesn't really say much
that is concrete and implementable. You essentially trust that somehow
XML can solve the problem but don't say how exactly. And you don't
seem to have investigated what has already been done in this area.
While using XML as a way to structure dependency lists and databases
for a system-level software installer might have some merit, there is
a lot more that needs to go into it. Using XML does not by itself solve
any of the well-known problems of software installation.
--
-| Bob Hauck
-| To Whom You Are Speaking
-| http://www.haucks.org/
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From: "Anton Suchaneck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: increase microphone volume
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 18:00:11 +0100
Does someone know whether I can increase the volume the microphone receives?
I have a cheap one, but I believe to have had better result with win95.
Anton
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From: "Anton Suchaneck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: imwheel stopped working
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 18:03:36 +0100
Since I changed th configuration of imwheel, imwheel stopped working.
It starts without complaining but my wheel doesnt work. Has anyone have
a suggestion?
Anton
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.text.xml,comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux, XML, and assalting Windows
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 09:05:01 -0700
Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
paul snow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:L4Pp5.19468$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> This is really getting close to what the origional post was all about!
Only
> it is isn't what is in the document that I want to know, but the
information
> that is typically "encrypted" into the installation program! I want to
know
> what files, directories, configuration settings, etc. that a program
relies
> on in order to be operational. I know this information is in the install
> program the developer provided. Thus I often uninstall and reinstall the
> program to try to fix the program (success rate: 20 percent).
>
> The problem is that every software component is handed to me in the same,
> encrypted format (a pile of installs from various venders). No meta
> information about how these structures are supposed to be interrelated.
No
> single and separate "installation" facility (or what I would call a
> "Software Rendering Facility") for collecting and tracking this
information.
>
> Perhaps the developer doesn't WANT me to know what they are going to do to
> my computer's storage in order to install their program. Well, in that
> case, I don't want their product. I am sick and tired of having a dead
> machine because some stinking DLL or registry setting is screwed up, and I
> haven't got any reasonable way of figuring it out. In fact, I have such a
> laptop (a four week old, top of the line Dell with a dead Windows 98)
> sitting right over there in the corner.
>
> My point is we have gotten past the idea that the writer is responsible
for
> laying out each page in a document. Let's get over the idea that each
> developer has the responsibility for laying out my storage.
>
> There is little to hide when it comes to how to install software. So why
> don't developers just lay out what they need done in plain English (or
> swahili whatever) already!
If that is your concern, then you didn't word it very well and bringing XML
in to the discussion was pointless side issue that you gave center stage to.
If all you want is information and control over your system when installing
new software and have the power to override bad installation ideas in
relations to your hosts needs; then WELCOME TO THE ALMOST FORGOTTEN PAST OF
COMPUTING! That is just the way things were before Microsoft along with a
few other companies together desided that we neither needed to know or even
could handle these issues.
To fix thing we don't need a redesigned package manager as you now seem to
be championing. All we need is for the software to be delivered in a format
that we can control its installation. At one time all we had to do was copy
the programs and their supporting files onto our systems, we were in control
of that process, we knew what was being done and could select to locations
of the programs. Then they started to be shipped in standard compressed
archives. We could still examine the contents of the archives and control
and override the installation process as we saw fit.
Over time the process has become more and more automated with less and less
control on the part of the humans responsible for the installation. What we
need is to reject Redmond's way of doing thing and a return to the past.
When you depend on a standard installation program/package manager you are
surrendering control. You are right if you believe we need to eliminate
installation programs for most cases, but you don't do that by just
introducing another package manager. You do that by returning to the way
things were done right before the installation programs and package managers
came along.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul Lew)
Subject: Re: access linux partition from windows
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 16:17:59 GMT
On Sat, 26 Aug 2000, TongEng Chiah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>another alternative, u can run samba server on linux
>
>see the SMB HOWTO for more details
>
>Dusty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> I don't think it can be done. Windows doesnt know how to recognize ext2
>> filesystems. It just labels them as Non-DOS and ignores them.
>>
Get "explore2fs" for windows; allows exporting linux files to a windows
directory either as a text file or "as is".
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From: "Anton Suchaneck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Changing KDE-Themes each time
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 18:07:51 +0100
I would like to let the KDE theme change every time I start up.
Maybe the themes could depend on the current time. How can I
do that without manually changing confs. Does someone know a
script or a program?
Anton
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.text.xml,comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux, XML, and assalting Windows
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 09:17:15 -0700
Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Bob Hauck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On Sat, 26 Aug 2000 12:52:59 GMT, paul snow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Clearly, you *aren't* a developer.
And that give him the perfect qualifications to determine what developers
should be doing. Read a little about the latest fad, like XML,
understanding less than half of the information, credit it with magical
properties to solve all ills and then direct developers to make it work
somehow. Sounds familiar?
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Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.text.xml,comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux, XML, and assalting Windows
From: Craig Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 26 Aug 2000 10:36:22 -0600
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> BRILLIANTLY writes:
> If all you want is information and control over your system when installing
> new software and have the power to override bad installation ideas in
> relations to your hosts needs; then WELCOME TO THE ALMOST FORGOTTEN PAST OF
> COMPUTING! That is just the way things were before Microsoft along with a
> few other companies together desided that we neither needed to know or even
> could handle these issues.
>
> To fix thing we don't need a redesigned package manager as you now seem to
> be championing. All we need is for the software to be delivered in a format
> that we can control its installation. At one time all we had to do was copy
> the programs and their supporting files onto our systems, we were in control
> of that process, we knew what was being done and could select to locations
> of the programs. Then they started to be shipped in standard compressed
> archives. We could still examine the contents of the archives and control
> and override the installation process as we saw fit.
>
> Over time the process has become more and more automated with less and less
> control on the part of the humans responsible for the installation. What we
> need is to reject Redmond's way of doing thing and a return to the past.
> When you depend on a standard installation program/package manager you are
> surrendering control. You are right if you believe we need to eliminate
> installation programs for most cases, but you don't do that by just
> introducing another package manager. You do that by returning to the way
> things were done right before the installation programs and package managers
> came along.
Amen brother!
NeXT-style bundles are one of the few ways in which we can appease
both the UNIX tradionalist *and* go back to the days of using REAL
FILESYSTEM TOOLS (like cp and a mouse pointer) to install software.
Package managers may be very sophisticated, but they are always going
to be a nusance, be it InstallShield, RPM or dpkg. We've already seen
horrible naming conflicts (SuSE vs. RedHat), unbelievable circular
dependencies (GNOME) and near-impossible-to-solve chicken-egg problems
(RPM 3.0.4 -> RPM 4.0+db3).
With bundles, you can pop in a CD and drag it to wherever you want to
put it, and it will all work. I hope Apple hasn't screwed them up in
MacOS X, but we'll see.
--
The wheel is turning but the hamster is dead.
Craig Kelley -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.isu.edu/~kellcrai finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP block
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From: Viviane Beullens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux.mandrake
Subject: Re: Where is ppp? Mdk 7.1 Maximum Linux CD
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 18:43:47 +0200
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Gerardo wrote:
> I just installed Mandrake 7.1 (the disk that came with Maximum Linux). I
> want to setup an internet connection, but I can't find PPP in any of the
> menus? I am working on KDE. I am new at this, please help,
> Gerardo
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Go to Internet in the KDE Start menu. Or type in the console kppp.
You can also configure your connection with netcfg. Or even with linuxconf.
Viviane
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From: "Jeff Munoz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
cisco.linux-users,comp.os.linux.networking,linux.redhat,linux.redhat.install
Subject: RH 6.2 and PCMCIA
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 13:02:09 -0400
Hello all,
When trying to insert module for my pcmcia card I get the following:
#insmod /lib/modules/2.2.14-5.0/pcmcia/3c575_cb.o
/lib/modules//2.2.14-5.0/pcmcia/3c575_cb.o: unresolved symbol
init_etherdev_R4468631d
/lib/modules//2.2.14-5.0/pcmcia/3c575_cb.o: unresolved symbol
eth_type_trans_R461d1b3d
/lib/modules//2.2.14-5.0/pcmcia/3c575_cb.o: unresolved symbol
__kfree_skb_R46
/lib/modules//2.2.14-5.0/pcmcia/3c575_cb.o: unresolved symbol
netif_rx_R82bc91e7
Any suggestions will be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Jeff
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.text.xml,comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux, XML, and assalting Windows
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 10:02:05 -0700
Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Craig Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> Amen brother!
Thank you
>
> NeXT-style bundles are one of the few ways in which we can appease
> both the UNIX tradionalist *and* go back to the days of using REAL
> FILESYSTEM TOOLS (like cp and a mouse pointer) to install software.
> Package managers may be very sophisticated, but they are always going
> to be a nusance, be it InstallShield, RPM or dpkg. We've already seen
> horrible naming conflicts (SuSE vs. RedHat), unbelievable circular
> dependencies (GNOME) and near-impossible-to-solve chicken-egg problems
> (RPM 3.0.4 -> RPM 4.0+db3).
Which is why I consider the package managers as valid tools to help
bootstrap neophytes into the system, but once they are advanced enough, I
think they should abandon the package managers and take full authority over
their computers.
> With bundles, you can pop in a CD and drag it to wherever you want to
> put it, and it will all work. I hope Apple hasn't screwed them up in
> MacOS X, but we'll see.
Since the public release of Mac OS X has been pushed back to January (Last I
heard), we should start hearing the glowing reports of their bundle handling
at that time and honest reports by the following month.
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