Linux-Setup Digest #483, Volume #19 Sat, 26 Aug 00 18:13:13 EDT
Contents:
Lilo error ("liveinhope")
Re: Installation Problem Here's my hardware. (Kalieaire)
Re: access linux partition from windows
Re: Linux, XML, and assalting Windows (Bob Hauck)
suche x.400 MTA ("Rene Schmidt")
Re: modem reccomendations ("D. C. & M. V. Sessions")
Re: Linux, XML, and assalting Windows (Christopher Browne)
Re: Path doesnt get set! (Colin Watson)
Re: increase microphone volume (Colin Watson)
RH 6.2 cdrom install lost interrupt` ("Jonathan Friedman")
Re: Linux, XML, and assalting Windows (Bob Hauck)
Re: Linux, XML, and assalting Windows (Bob Hauck)
Re: FreeBSD: APM & Power Switch (David Efflandt)
help with recompiling the kernel (Hung Ngoc Lai)
basic, very basic ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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From: "liveinhope" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Lilo error
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 04:12:27 +0800
Hi,
I am new in linux.
I found problem when I started my computer
after installed Red Hat 6.2.
I have win98se in my system, so I installed lilo in MBR.
When it started...
Only show "LI", then my computer hold...
And I tried to use boot disk...
It prompted "Error 0x10".
My system has two IDE hd and one scsi hd.
I installed win98se and rh to one ide hd.
How to solve it? And what're the causes?
Thank you.
--
Best Wishes,
liveinhope
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From: Kalieaire <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Installation Problem Here's my hardware.
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 20:12:10 GMT
Here's some more specific information on which package I get frozen on for Problem
#1 with my computer.
It hangs most often on this package:
Package - tetex-afm-1.0.6-11
Size - 2,914 Kbytes
Summary - A converter for PostScript(TM) Font metric files, for with TeX.
Kalieaire wrote:
> Here's the problem:
>
> I use my CD-Rom to Boot up Linux Redhat 6.2 i386 distro.
>
> After I boot, I hit enter to begin installation. I select my generic ps/2 mouse
> w/ 3 buttons, select my time zones, setup my accounts, select a generic svga
> card, and my ctx-1765 monitor. It begins to install.
>
> Through installation on the last 47-44 packages of the install on the postscript
> stuff or something to do with tex, it freezes and the computer becomes
> non-responsive. Sometimes the installation will just stop<meaning no files are
> transferred, no progress occurs>, but my mouse is still usable, and i can still
> turn on and off the three lock keys.
>
> There was one occasion last night, in which I was able to install, but then it
> told me I had faults w/ my hd or something and to run fsck and that it'd load me
> up in the shell as root. I load up and type fsck, and it says something
> parallelizing or something, and gives me back the prompt.
>
> Well I got tired of this because I didn't know what to do, so I am attempting to
> install it again.
>
> I will change to a different hard drive after the current attempt at
> installation.
>
> Here's the hardware:
>
> Pentium 2 - 333 off a 66mhz FSB
> 64 Megs of PC66 Ram
> Unknown Motherboard - Dual processor board w/ onboard scsi & sound off a Phoenix
> 4.0 bios
> 1.44MB Mitsumi FDD
> 24x Generic EIDE CD-ROM
> EIDE AC32500 Western Digital 2.5 Gig HD
> 3Com 3c509b-TPO ISA ethernet card
> AccelGraphics AccelGalaxy video card based on the Evans & Sutherland RealImage
> 2100 chipset
>
> --
>
> I feel that the hard drive should be fine because it previously ran Win NT 4 SP5
> alright, so I tried switching Video cards to something supported, I chose my
> spare Voodoo 3 2000 PCI, same problems in the same place.
>
> But because I am running off of an unknown motherboard, I will try to install
> on my Dual Celeron 500 abit bp6 w/ a removable HD System since this is supported
> and even has its own distro of linux from abit.
>
> --
> Something else
> --
>
> I tried installing linux on my friend's computer, it never got into language
> selection. It'd error out and give me a signal 11.
> I attempted expert install as well, and it'd error out in the drivers area.
>
> His Hardware:
> Video - Matrox MGA Chipset
> CD - Mitsumi CD-ROM 24x
> TEAC 1.44mb FDD
> FIC VA-503+ K6 Motherboad
> K6-2-333mhz
> 128 megs of Ram on SIMMs.
>
> I am thinking that the motherboard has some problems, either that or the
> k6-2-333mhz has probs itself <I remember reading that K6-2 300's had problems,
> but didn't know if they meant all 300's>
>
> ===========
>
> So hey, Thanks for all your thoughts guys, email me back answers as well as post
> replies. thx.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Subject: Re: access linux partition from windows
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 20:22:43 GMT
On Sat, 26 Aug 2000 10:09:30 -0700, Michael Perry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On Sat, 19 Aug 2000 13:44:56 +0800, sllai <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>How can I access linux partition from windows operating system
>>
>>thanks
>>sllai
>>
>>
>Samba does it just fine. I can browse my home directory, a public share,
>printers, etc. I have a win98 laptop which I use for a few things and I
>have samba setup on my debian box. It provides file and printer sharing. I
>can also "share" my cd if I would want. I have gotten the preexec and
>postexec stuff to also share a zipdrive.
samba won't work if it is a dual boot machine.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bob Hauck)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.text.xml,comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux, XML, and assalting Windows
Reply-To: bobh{at}haucks{dot}org
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 20:43:40 GMT
On Sat, 26 Aug 2000 18:13:31 GMT, paul snow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>What is the deal here? I write a post or two that claims that we can
>manage computer systems directly, on their storage, outside the
>abstractions of the Operating Systems and their Services.
You've got it exactly backwards. Raw storage is just numbered blocks
on the disk. Filesystems are an abstraction created by the OS. There
is no "structured storage" without the OS. Without the OS, the highest
leve of abstraction is about at the level of instructing the SCSI
controller to fetch block 123456 from device 0 on buss 0. Managing
storage is one of the most important tasks of the OS, why re-create it
inside your installation tool? What does that have to do with making
installation and system management easier?
It might make sense to use a structured storage scheme like XML to
define your installation parameters, directory layouts, etc. I *think*
this is what you are trying to get at. You are proposing some kind of
"meta schema" that describes how the various parts of the various
supported systems relate to each other. Rules like "the /etc directory
is like the Registry and the mapping is thus" would be defined such
that when the developer creates an install the system "does the right
thing" in terms of putting configuration files in the right place and
such based on their defined purpose or whatever.
That's all fine, and is a nice blue-sky sort of idea. But it is also a
*very* hard problem, as components of various systems don't have a
nice 1:1 mapping. The /etc directory isn't exactly like the Registry,
although it performs many of the same functions, to give one example.
There are all sorts of special cases, different ways of handling
security, different ways of handling devices, and so on, that would all
need to be considered for the scheme to work.
"Make it all structured data" doesn't help, as that is pretty much a
content-free statement. And doing it "outside the OS" is nuts, IMO.
>I claim that these abstractions and services simply clutter up the
>configuration management tasks and get in the way, cause problems, and
>waste our time.
So...computers cause computer problems.
>Well I have news for you. If you are a developer, you are a sad one,
>because you should know and understand that there isn't much complexity at
>the storage level.
And you know this how? Because it seems right off the top of your
pointy little head?
--
-| Bob Hauck
-| To Whom You Are Speaking
-| http://www.haucks.org/
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From: "Rene Schmidt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: suche x.400 MTA
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 14:53:42 +0200
Hallo,
ich brauche einen X.400 MTA. Also einen Server der Mail per X.400 sendet und
annimmt.
Kann mir jemand ein Paket nennen, mit dem das funktioniert.
Rene
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From: "D. C. & M. V. Sessions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: modem reccomendations
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 11:53:12 -0700
Mike Williams wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I am running Win98, 2000, Mandrake, and BeOS off of my system and I am
> looking for a good modem recomendation. I have a Win Modem now and that does
> not play nice with Linux.
>
> And even though it is supposed to run with BeOS I cannot get online there
> either. Any suggestions would be appreciated.
>
> I am leaning towards an external USB model, any drawbacks to this?
USB support is still spotty in Linux and I wouldn't bet on BeOS.
ISA internal is still a very good way to go (not least because
modems are one of the few things you can put in those ISA slots!)
Mine is a WiseCom, and it's been flawless for several years. Make
sure you get jumpers, as the PnP is more trouble than it's worth.
(Mine has a DIP switch on the back panel. Handy.)
http://www.wisecominc.com/
--
| Engineers solve problems -- it's what we do. |
| Do you want to be a problem? |
| D. C. Sessions === [EMAIL PROTECTED] |
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher Browne)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.text.xml,comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux, XML, and assalting Windows
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 21:22:53 GMT
Centuries ago, Nostradamus foresaw a time when The Ghost In The Machine
would say:
>In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Christopher Browne
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote
>on Sat, 26 Aug 2000 03:45:27 GMT
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>>Centuries ago, Nostradamus foresaw a time when The Ghost In The Machine
>>would say:
>>>In comp.os.linux.advocacy, mlw
>>><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>>That's all that XML is, nothing more. It can not replace programs, it is
>>>>not a new concept in operating systems.
>>>
>>>It might replace programs (programs are interpreted data in their
>>>own right, after all -- to the right interpreter, such as an x86
>>>micro, a JVM, or even a BASIC environment), but it sure looks
>>>hard to manage, although not too hard to generate.
>>
>>It only "replaces" programs if it can express programs itself.
>>Note that providing the ability to _embed_ programs is not that;
>>that merely replaces one language with another.
>>
>>>But why can't we use a schema/data approach? Something like:
>>>
>>>first 8 bytes - magic signature number, just because
>>>byte - endianity
>>>byte - user-defined version ID
>>>2 bytes - number of fields
>>>field descriptor byte: 0=short, 1=long, 2=float, 3=double,
>>> 4=zero-terminated string
>>>field name: zero-terminated string
>>>field descriptor byte:
>>>field name:
>>>...
>>>
>>>(The floats would be in IEEE format, which is the one 680x0 and
>>>80x86 micros use -- and possibly a large number of other computer
>>>systems.)
>>>
>>>Surely somebody out there's thought of a standard for this.
>>
>>There's not one; there's several.
>
>Doesn't surprise me too much. :-)
>>
>>Leaping to mind are:
>>a) IIOP - the Internet protocol defined for CORBA that does
>> essentially what you describe, albeit a _little_ differently;
>>b) Casbah's LDO (Lightweight Distributed Objects)
>
>I'll have to check out IIOP. Another obvious one -- albeit it's
>not clear it's documented yet -- is Java's persistence format.
>(Is it specced to be JVM-compatible?)
Other options would be the Java "CORBA-like" thing, RMI; perhaps SQL-CLI
(aka ODBC) or JDBC.
>>>Or one can use a chunky format, something a la Amiga's IFF,
>>>where data is in chunks, understood by each program. Chunks
>>>could even have DTD-like structures if necessary.
>>>
>>>But nooooooo....we get to clutter up what is essentially a
>>>data-centric stream with a lot of framing clutter. Unless
>>>I'm missing something in the DTD spec which allows for the
>>>specification in binary of all of this data...?
>>
>>I think WAP provides some such mapping...
>
>I don't know WAP from THWAP, admittedly. :-)
>Is this on the www.w3c.org site?
I do not recall if it stands for "Wireless Applications Protocol" or
"Wireless Access Protocol." <http://www.google.com/> and some combination
of those words should find you something relevant.
--
[EMAIL PROTECTED] - <http://www.ntlug.org/~cbbrowne/lsf.html>
Rules of the Evil Overlord #7. "When I've captured my adversary and
he says, "Look, before you kill me, will you at least tell me what
this is all about?" I'll say, "No." and shoot him. No, on second
thought I'll shoot him then say "No."" <http://www.eviloverlord.com/>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Colin Watson)
Subject: Re: Path doesnt get set!
Date: 26 Aug 2000 19:07:22 GMT
Ingemar Lundin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Just finished installing qt2.11 for Opera that i downloaded, since qt
> was'nt installed bfore i had to set $QTDIR in my .profile, but the
> strange thing is
> that if i put a .profile in my /root folder the path doesnt get set but
> if i put it in the /etc/profile it does; anyone got a clue as to why?
I hope this doesn't signify that you're running KDE as root - don't.
Don't run anything as root unless you have to.
If not, commands in /root/.profile only affect the root user, and
whether ~/.profile in general is even read depends on the shell. Have in
look in the man page for whatever shell you're using (which you don't
mention).
--
Colin Watson [[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Jam wants colonies. I am a jest on clowns.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Colin Watson)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: increase microphone volume
Date: 26 Aug 2000 19:08:05 GMT
Anton Suchaneck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Does someone know whether I can increase the volume the microphone
>receives?
Try 'aumix' or a similar mixer tool.
--
Colin Watson [[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
"Saint Jean le Desincarne, priez pour nous! But please - let us not
have to follow your example for at least another million years."
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From: "Jonathan Friedman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RH 6.2 cdrom install lost interrupt`
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 17:28:03 -0500
I'm new to the linux world.
I have a machine with the following hardware
486 dx/2 50
40MB RAM
850 MB HD (currently has W95 - but I don't care if that goes poof < good
ridence)
2MB ATI VLB Video card
IDE CDROM drive (Creative - but actually a Goldstar - 580?)
The HD is primary master, CDROM is secondary master.
I want to install RH 6.2 . I downloaded and burned the iso distribution for
i386 architecture to CD. I got the latest Boot image and updates image disk
from the redhat ftp site. When I go to install, however, It always gets
through the first few screens about keyboard, language, etc... then it
accesses the CDROM (at which point I can switch over to the bash window and
ls the cdrom correctly) then after accessing the cdrom the debug window
(cntrl-alt-f4) shows "<4>hdc: lost interrupt" and will redisplay this
message every second until it fills the screen. At this point the
installation is frozen and does not copy any files or do anything even
though I can still switch around screens. If I go to bash at this point ls
just hangs. I have looked on the internet for a fix. I'm sure other people
have had this problem, but I can not seem to find any documentation. Please
help. Thanks.
--
Jonathan
Atlanta, GA 30332
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bob Hauck)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.text.xml,comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux, XML, and assalting Windows
Reply-To: bobh{at}haucks{dot}org
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 21:43:53 GMT
On Sat, 26 Aug 2000 17:48:43 GMT, paul snow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>Oh, so all those hours I spent installing stuff on Solaris was really
>Windows?
You were complaining about Windows, and things that are really quite
specific to Windows at that, rather than general problems.
>The point is that we need to get over the idea that installing is part of
>the abstractions that the OS provides. That mindset prevents us from
>developing technologies (such as those I am describing here) that can
>install across platforms.
My response is in the other part of the thread. I'm not going to
repeat it here. Basically, it sounds like you want some sort of
meta-language to define installation procedures. This meta-language
would generate install programs for each supported platform, or perhaps
a database of some kind that could be used by the universal installer
to actually do the install.
You are aware that this is sort of how Installshield and RPM work,
right? The developer creates scripts that describe his installation
and the tool makes some assumptions, and everything usually works. You
just want to make these scripts more abstract so that they'll work on
different platforms, and make them editable so you can pre-configure
your local setup.
Is that about right?
--
-| Bob Hauck
-| To Whom You Are Speaking
-| http://www.haucks.org/
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bob Hauck)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.text.xml,comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: Linux, XML, and assalting Windows
Reply-To: bobh{at}haucks{dot}org
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 21:43:55 GMT
On Sat, 26 Aug 2000 17:13:05 GMT, paul snow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I gave you 26 concrete points to argue. If you can't pick one and state why
>it can not be implemented, or why the logic is faulty, you should just go
>away.
Your 26 points are nothing more than a laundry list of features. There
is no logic to be faulty as you don't discuss how these things would be
done other than to say that XML is somehow involved and that they would
be desireable.
>And learn to read. "XML isn't magic..." right there in my post!
Then why is XML not arguable (point #-1)?
--
-| Bob Hauck
-| To Whom You Are Speaking
-| http://www.haucks.org/
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David Efflandt)
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Subject: Re: FreeBSD: APM & Power Switch
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 21:50:55 +0000 (UTC)
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Sat, 26 Aug 2000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I've been told that this can be done and that it should work:
>
>I want to press the power switch while the machine is up and running
>(FreeBSD 4.x) and have it do a shutdown -p now or something of the sort.
>
>I've never seen it work myself. With APM enabled (BIOS, kernel and
>apm_enable = "yes"), pressing the power switch causes the machine to
>power off immediately...
I think you have the wrong newsgroup, but I don't see how FreeBSD or Linux
has any control over what happens when you press the power button.
Otherwise how would you power down your box if it got totally hung?
Even in Windows, you should exit before hitting the power button.
--
David Efflandt [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.de-srv.com/
http://www.autox.chicago.il.us/ http://www.berniesfloral.net/
http://hammer.prohosting.com/~cgi-wiz/ http://cgi-help.virtualave.net/
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From: Hung Ngoc Lai <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: help with recompiling the kernel
Date: 26 Aug 2000 21:53:57 GMT
Hello to all the Linux Gurus out there:
First of all, I would like to express my gratitude to all of you for helping with
learning Linux. I am progressing nicely. For the past wee, I have been able
to implementing IPCHAINS and IP Masquerading with success. However,
I have a problem that I am hoping someone out there can help me.
I try to recompile the kernel (I am currently RH version 6.1 with kernel
version 2.2.12-20. I would like to upgrade the kernel to version 2.2.16
because I have been told that version 2.2.16 will fix some security issues.
Anyhow, I have been successfully recompile the kernel doing the following
tasks:
gzunip linux-2.2.16.tar.gz
tar linux-2.2.16.tar
in the /usr/src/linux directory, perform: make mrproper
in the /usr/src/linux directory, perform: make menuconfig
make dep
make clean
make modules
make modules_install
make bzImage
Everything seems OK at this point. Next, I copy the bzImage to the /boot
directory and rename it to vmlinuz-2.2.16. Follow that, I also edit (append)
the following lines to the /etc/lilo.conf file:
image=/boot/vmlinuz-2.2.16
label=new-kernel
read-only
root=/dev/hda1
(I tried to use linuxconf; however, when I used /dev/hda1, it tells me that
this is an invalid partition. Therefore, I can only edit the /etc/lilo.conf file).
I have absolutely no idea why.
After that, I perform /sbin/lilo and reboot. After the boot: appears, I type
new-kernel, the problem is that the system boots up to a new kernel;
however, I lose all my network connectivity (I have 3 NICs card on this
linux machine). At this point, I have to no choice but to reboot the
machine and roll back to my old kernel. I thought I must be configured
something wrong in the "make menuconfig" so I decide to recompile
the kernel version 2.2.12-20 with the same parameters I used in version
2.2.16. Guess what, the version 2.2.12-20 comes up clean with out any
Problems. I can not, for the life of me, figure out why 2.2.16 does not
work on my system (I am running Pentium III 500Mhz, 128 RAM,
3com 3c905XL and matrox video card).
Last, I thought that I only have problem with version 2.2.16 but I am
also having problems with version 2.2.14, 2.2.15 and 2.2.16. Please
help..
By the way, X-win32 is working beautifully on my network.. Thank
You very much for your help...
Sincerely,
David
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: basic, very basic
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 00:06:10 +0100
This IS a very basic question, but 30 years in computing has learned me
one thing : If in doubt, ask before you do anything.
My home PC has 2 2GB drives and a CD. Primary EDI controller hosts 1 HD
and the CD. Second EDI controller hosts the other HD, which is empty and
HPFS. The HW is fairly new, IBM PC365, pentium 2 and 250 MB ram, nothing
exotic installed apart from an EICON Diva ISDN adapter, which isn't
really exotic.
On the first HD resides NT4.0 on a 500 MB NTFS volume, thats for working
from home via dial-in. Also it has a 1.5GB OS/2 partition, HPFS format
of course. Thats for everything else, I just love OS/2. The HPFS format
is because NT can't make any sense out of it and leaves it alone.
Booting is via OS/2 bootmanager(on HD1), and works with no fuss at all.
In a move to phase out OS/2, I want to give Linux a try. I just hate
Microsoft and their lousy OS's.
>From the manuals I get the impression that Linux must reside on the
first disk on the primary EDI controller, correct ?. Any way to install
Linux on a set-up like mine?.
Please reply to my mailadress too. My newsreader forgets the newsgroups
I subscribe to now and then, and it would be a shame to loose any
replies.
rgds
Peter
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