Linux-Setup Digest #500, Volume #19 Mon, 28 Aug 00 17:13:11 EDT
Contents:
Re: RedHat 6.2 - init doesn't start Apache ("ne...")
Re: modules.conf and fstab ignored in RedHat 6.2 (D G)
Re: RH 6.2 cdrom install lost interrupt` (D G)
Re: Help getting HP SureStore Tape 6000 working under Redhat 6.2 ("Andrew E.
Schulman")
W2K + linux - screwed up boot.ini ?!? (Serial # 19781010)
Linux on Toshiba Satellite Pro 4270 / Boot problem. (Stefan
=?iso-8859-1?Q?Hagstr=F6m?=)
Re: Restaurant Booking System (Phil)
Re: Linux Mail Server ("Richard F. Jr.")
upgrade to a new version of glib (Hung Ngoc Lai)
Re: Restaurant Booking System (Edward Lee)
Re: 3com 3c509 in ISA mode in windows ("MindStorm")
Faile Dependencies/X Server install (Myra Hager)
DHCP and resolv.conf (D G)
Re: Restaurant Booking System ("CJ Llewellyn")
Re: Restaurant Booking System (Richard Watson)
Re: imwheel stopped working (quagly)
Re: Linux, XML, and assalting Windows ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Compiling GNOME - Compiler can't find GDK-Pixbuf (Ken Conroy)
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From: "ne..." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: RedHat 6.2 - init doesn't start Apache
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 18:18:59 GMT
On Aug 28, 2000 at 17:14, Peter Provost eloquently wrote:
>Hello,
>
>If this is posted to the wrong group, I'm sorry. It doesn't seem like an
>Apache problem, but rather an init problem.
Nope. This is an adequate group.
>
>First of all, I initially installed RedHat 6.2 without Apache. I then
>downloaded the most recent Apache binaries and installed them into
>/usr/local/apache
[...]
>Next step (AFAIK) is to add symbolic links to the rc?.d directories for
>the appropriate runlevels. Once again I consulted the How-to and created
>the following symlinks:
>
>/etc/rc.d/rc2.d/S50apache -> /etc/rc.d/init.d/apache
>/etc/rc.d/rc0.d/K50apache -> /etc/rc.d/init.d/apache
>/etc/rc.d/rc6.d/K50apache -> /etc/rc.d/init.d/apache
>
>I now tested the system (again) by executing these symlinks, making sure
>Apache started and stopped as expected. Again no problems.
>
>Now as far as I know, this is all I have to do to make init start apache
>for me when the system boots, however it doesn't happen. Did I miss
>something here? I don't think I have to change /etc/inittab, but I could
>be wrong.
RH generally boots into level 3 or 5. Check /etc/inittab
for the level your machine boots into. I do not see any
symlinks for rc3.d or rc5.d directories. This could be
your problem.
--
Registered Linux User # 125653 (http://counter.li.org)
BOFH excuse #196:
Me no internet, only janitor, me just wax floors.
2:15pm up 49 days, 17:16, 8 users, load average: 0.04, 0.09, 0.08
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From: D G <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: modules.conf and fstab ignored in RedHat 6.2
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 11:13:12 -0700
Colin Watson wrote:
>
> D G <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >I have the cdrom set up in fstab as follows:
> >
> >/dev/cdrom /mnt/cdrom iso9660 defaults,ro,users,noauto,unhide 0 0
> >
> >However, everytime I mount it, RedHat 6.2 insists on mounting it as
> >noexec, nosuid. So I change the line explicitly to
> >
> >/dev/cdrom /mnt/cdrom iso9660 ro,suid,dev,users,exec,noauto,unhide 0 0
> >
> >And it *still* gets mounted as noexec,nosuid. So now I have to mount it
> >with -o exec on the command line. How can I fix this behavior?
> >Everything worked fine with RedHat 6.1.
>
> You should at least change it to ro,users,exec,suid,dev,noauto,unhide;
> users implies noexec, nosuid, and nodev, unless overridden by
> *subsequent* options. See 'man mount'.
>
> I don't know why it's getting mounted noexec above, though ...
I didn't see that. Thanks for the info. When I checked my fstab, I
actually had exec before users, so moving it after users fixed the
problem.
>
> >Also, the modules.conf file is getting ignored. Modules won't load or
> >unload automatically, even though they worked fine under 6.1. I did
> >have to change conf.modules to modules.conf to make 6.2 happy, but that
> >was the only change I made. Anyone else having these problems?
>
> Check /var/log/messages or /var/log/kern.log or wherever kernel log
> messages go in RH 6.2, as if loading a module fails then it will
> probably be logged there.
That's the problem. It doesn't even try to load the module. There is
nothing at all in the log. And sometimes, when it does seem to load a
module automatically, it won't process the "options" line for that
module. Right now, I just have everything I might need loading through
the rc.local file.
>
> Check, perhaps, that kmod support is compiled into the kernel (it's in
> "Loadable module support" if you end up needing to recompile). You can
> tell because /proc/sys/kernel/modprobe exists if and only if kmod is
> there. Also, that file should contain the correct path to your modprobe
> executable (probably /sbin/modprobe). If you need to change it, note
> that you'll need to put something in your startup scripts to do so every
> time you boot; /proc isn't a real filesystem, it's just created by the
> kernel as an interface to some of its internals.
I'll check that. I'm using the RedHat updated kernels 2.2.16-3 and
2.2.14-12.
--
DG
e-mail is: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
(remove the Z's--they're what I do when I read SPAM!)
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From: D G <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: RH 6.2 cdrom install lost interrupt`
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 11:19:21 -0700
The Contact wrote:
>
> Jonathan Friedman wrote:
> > 486 dx/2 50
> > 40MB RAM
> > 850 MB HD (currently has W95 - but I don't care if that goes poof < good
> > ridence)
> > 2MB ATI VLB Video card
> > IDE CDROM drive (Creative - but actually a Goldstar - 580?)
> >
> > The HD is primary master, CDROM is secondary master.
> >
> > I want to install RH 6.2 . I downloaded and burned the iso distribution for
> > i386 architecture to CD. I got the latest Boot image and updates image disk
> > from the redhat ftp site. When I go to install, however, It always gets
> > through the first few screens about keyboard, language, etc... then it
> > accesses the CDROM (at which point I can switch over to the bash window and
> > ls the cdrom correctly) then after accessing the cdrom the debug window
> > (cntrl-alt-f4) shows "<4>hdc: lost interrupt" and will redisplay this
> > message every second until it fills the screen. At this point the
> > installation is frozen and does not copy any files or do anything even
> > though I can still switch around screens. If I go to bash at this point ls
> > just hangs. I have looked on the internet for a fix. I'm sure other people
> > have had this problem, but I can not seem to find any documentation. Please
> > help. Thanks.
>
> Well, first of all, I have the same problem with my pc. I could install
> RH6.2 without problems (directly from CD, no bootdisks), but when I
> (now) want to mount the cdrom (which is at /dev/hdc) I get the same
> errors. Maybe you could try to place it in another config (maybe primary
> slave or so), I couldn't do it (laptop) so I don't know if that's the
> problem.
>
> My CD-ROM is a Teac CD-316E (different from yours) so it possibly
> doesn't ly on the driver. The rest of my config is as follows (try to
> find some similarities with yours):
[config snipped]
I've been having a similar problem. Upgrading to 2.2.16-3 appears to
have fixed it. That won't help with the initial install though :(.
--
DG
e-mail is: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
(remove the Z's--they're what I do when I read SPAM!)
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From: "Andrew E. Schulman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Help getting HP SureStore Tape 6000 working under Redhat 6.2
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 14:39:50 -0400
> # tar cvf /dev/nst0c tmp
Could it be that you want
tar fvc /dev/nst0c tmp
?
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From: Serial # 19781010 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.admin
Subject: W2K + linux - screwed up boot.ini ?!?
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 13:55:04 -0500
Have installed Win 98, then W2K, then Linux - after the last one, and
after choosing to use LILO or GRUB (tried them both. by redoing the
whole 98-2000-Linux install from scratch), W2K won't find its
ntoskrnl.exe anymore. Message:
"Windows 2000 could not start because the following file is missing or
corrupt:
<windows 2000 root>\system32\ntoskrnl.exe.
Please re-install a copy of the above file."
Checked the obvious places:
- boot.ini - still pointing to the right partition - changed that to
the next number (just in case - as somebody suggested) - to no avail
- checked the ntoskrnl.exe existance - actually was able to mount the
partition on which W2K resides, from Linux, and was able to "see" all
needed files - so I eliminated the "missing file" option?!?
Any suggestions here?
TIA,
Stef
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From: Stefan =?iso-8859-1?Q?Hagstr=F6m?= <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Linux on Toshiba Satellite Pro 4270 / Boot problem.
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 21:19:10 +0200
Has anyone been able to boot from a cd on a Toshiba Satellite Pro 4270?
I�ve tried to boot a couple of Linux distributions and FreeBSD, without
results, however when i try to boot with a darn w98 cd, it works....
Regards
Stefan Hagstr�m
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Phil)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,alt.os.linux.suse,comp.os.linux.misc,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Restaurant Booking System
Date: 28 Aug 2000 20:53:50 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Richard Watson -[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]- spewed forth the following rubbish:
>"Darren Paxton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> What I would like to know is are there any linux based applications
>> available out there that would allow online bookings, and hopefully would
>> also allow this to be done for multiple locations. Each of the locations
>> would also need access to every other unit's booking sheets so that they
>> could pass bookings on to other sites if they were full for that
>> period.
>
>You just need a central database (MySQL/Postgresql) with all the
>bookings on it.
You're forgetting he's taking online bookings. I presume payment needs to be
made as well. Forgetting for one minute the hassle of having your own
webserver you're also going to have to think about security. Security in the
form of the transmission of the data and also the storage of the data.
In this respect you're going to have to come to a compromise, money or
security. IMHO the first is the best, but I'd still be interested in what kind
of security policy this third party is bringing in.
>IMHO the most sensible course of action would be a web based solution
>with PHP. Chances are something like this has already been written and
>would just need a bit of tarting up. In any case it wouldn't be so
>hard to write from scratch. Just needs reasonable planning and all
>that.
>
>> We
>> are also looking at bringing in a team of dedicated telephone agents to also
>> take bookings over the phone, but this could obviously be done via the web
>> front end.
>
>Yes, you just need a few admin type pages so that your telephone
>people can bugger^H^H^H^H^H^H^H alter things as required.
If you're not taking the credit card numbers over the web, I would advise
going your own or getting someone else to setup the stuff for you. It wouldn't
be that expensive, you can get some people to set it up for you one time and
you probably wouldn't have to touch it again if it was setup well.
If you want something like this give me a shout.
If they're charging you for nothing more than a simple backend to forward on
the bookings it sounds like they're chancers, shop around and find somewhere
else, you can mail me offlist if you want suggestions.
Phil.
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From: "Richard F. Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.networking,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Linux Mail Server
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 09:17:52 -0400
I would point you to QMail - www.qmail.org ...
QMail is currently the most secure MTA around for UNIX / Linux and is very
fast,
and very scalable. LARGE Servers use QMail like :
* " A number of large Internet sites are using qmail: Hotmail's outgoing
mail (although Microsoft thinks they're going to transition to W2K),
USA.net's outgoing email, Yahoo! mail, Network Solutions,
listserv.acsu.buffalo.edu (a big listserv hub, using qmail since 1996), Ohio
State (biggest US University), XOOM.com, onelist.com (which has merged with
egroups, another big free mailing list service), Listbot, USWest.net
(Western US ISP), RIPE, Matchlogic, Telenordia, gmx.de (German ISP),
Teleport (biggest ISP in Oregon), NetZero (free ISP), Critical Path (email
outsourcing service w/ 7M mailboxes), PayPal/Confinity, Hypermart.net,
Casema, Rediffmail.co.in, Topica, MyNet.com.tr, FSmail.net, and vuurwerk.nl.
" *
Listed right from the QMail Web Site... !
Rich
"Jason Ng" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:8odeu9$k8d$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Hi,
>
> What's the best mail server for Linux? I would like to support a large
> population... above 500, 000. Any comments?
>
> Regards,
> Jason
>
>
>
>
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From: Hung Ngoc Lai <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: upgrade to a new version of glib
Date: 28 Aug 2000 19:31:46 GMT
I am trying to install GTK+; however, GTK+ requires glib versions 1.2.8 or higher.
At the moment, I am running glib version 1.2.5. How do I remove version
1.2.5 and replace it with 1.2.8 so that I can run GTK+? I am a linux
newbie so please gentle with me? Please have your instructions to me
as specific as possible. Thanks.
David
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Edward Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,alt.os.linux.suse,comp.os.linux.misc,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Restaurant Booking System
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 13:06:40 -0700
All you need is a secute VPN between locations and a secute https web server in
one. A dial-up VPN should be sufficient, unless you have a huge restaurant. In
that case, an IPSEC VPN between locations should solve all the problems.
Phil wrote:
> Richard Watson -[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]- spewed forth the following rubbish:
> >"Darren Paxton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >> What I would like to know is are there any linux based applications
> >> available out there that would allow online bookings, and hopefully would
> >> also allow this to be done for multiple locations. Each of the locations
> >> would also need access to every other unit's booking sheets so that they
> >> could pass bookings on to other sites if they were full for that
> >> period.
> >
> >You just need a central database (MySQL/Postgresql) with all the
> >bookings on it.
>
> You're forgetting he's taking online bookings. I presume payment needs to be
> made as well. Forgetting for one minute the hassle of having your own
> webserver you're also going to have to think about security. Security in the
> form of the transmission of the data and also the storage of the data.
> In this respect you're going to have to come to a compromise, money or
> security. IMHO the first is the best, but I'd still be interested in what kind
> of security policy this third party is bringing in.
>
> >IMHO the most sensible course of action would be a web based solution
> >with PHP. Chances are something like this has already been written and
> >would just need a bit of tarting up. In any case it wouldn't be so
> >hard to write from scratch. Just needs reasonable planning and all
> >that.
> >
> >> We
> >> are also looking at bringing in a team of dedicated telephone agents to also
> >> take bookings over the phone, but this could obviously be done via the web
> >> front end.
> >
> >Yes, you just need a few admin type pages so that your telephone
> >people can bugger^H^H^H^H^H^H^H alter things as required.
>
> If you're not taking the credit card numbers over the web, I would advise
> going your own or getting someone else to setup the stuff for you. It wouldn't
> be that expensive, you can get some people to set it up for you one time and
> you probably wouldn't have to touch it again if it was setup well.
> If you want something like this give me a shout.
>
> If they're charging you for nothing more than a simple backend to forward on
> the bookings it sounds like they're chancers, shop around and find somewhere
> else, you can mail me offlist if you want suggestions.
> Phil.
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From: "MindStorm" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.misc,alt.os.linux.mandrake
Subject: Re: 3com 3c509 in ISA mode in windows
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 21:04:33 +0100
i use a etherlink III 3c509B Combo in pnp mode and it works in both win98
and linux. Mine is complied stright into the kernel so i don't have to faff
with modules. May be worth a try.
"Dave Jepson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Hi,
>
> Hope this is not too OT but there's probably more chance of someone here
> knowing the answer!
>
> To get my etherlink III 3c509B Combo working in linux I disabled the PnP
> and manually set the IRQ and I/O with the 3c5x9cfg.exe program in
> windows.
>
> This works fine in linux, using isapnptools.
>
> However I just can't get it to work in Windows.
>
> If I use the ISA mode driver, I am allowed to specify I/O port only and
> no IRQ.
>
> If I use the EISA mode driver Control Panel->System->Device
> Manager->Network Adaptors->Properties says that the driver could not be
> loaded, and hence I don't get to specify IRQ & IO at all.
>
> Has anyone had/resolved this problem before?
>
> I went to the 3com site but the blurb on the driver download page states
> that 3c509 is only supported in 'classic' (???) and PnP modes, not ISA
> and EISA.
>
>
> Alternatively............
>
> Seeing as windows can see the NIC in PnP mode fine, can I get linux to
> load it?
> Currently if I set the card in PnP mode, linux hangs when I try to start
> the eth0 interface.
> The card is being loaded in /etc/conf.modules with
>
> alias eth0 3c509
>
> Does anyone know why it hangs and whatI could do about it?
>
> Kind regards,
> Dave
>
>
>
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From: Myra Hager <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Faile Dependencies/X Server install
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 19:55:14 GMT
I did a typical Redhat 6.2 server installation. I know need to run
Xserver to get into control panel. I copied the necessary XFree86 RPMS
over from the CD and when I go to install them (using rpm -ivh
XFree86*) I get the following error:
error: failed dependencies:
libtcl.so is needed by XFree86-XF86Setup-3.3.6-20
libtk.so is needed by XFree86-XF86Setup-3.3.6-20
I assume these are other packages I need to install. How do I
determine which packages they are so I can install them first?
Thanks for your help.
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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From: D G <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: DHCP and resolv.conf
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 13:09:14 -0700
I have set up my workstation to use DHCP. I also have a valid
resolv.conf file. Unfortunately, everytime my workstation gets an IP
using DHCP, it clobbers the resolv.conf file. How do I keep it from
doing this? What script is modifying this file?
I'm using RedHat 6.2.
--
DG
e-mail is: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
(remove the Z's--they're what I do when I read SPAM!)
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From: "CJ Llewellyn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,alt.os.linux.suse,comp.os.linux.misc,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Restaurant Booking System
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 21:16:34 +0100
"Phil" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
-snip-
> You're forgetting he's taking online bookings. I presume payment needs to
be
> made as well. Forgetting for one minute the hassle of having your own
> webserver you're also going to have to think about security. Security in
the
> form of the transmission of the data and also the storage of the data.
> In this respect you're going to have to come to a compromise, money or
> security. IMHO the first is the best, but I'd still be interested in what
kind
> of security policy this third party is bringing in.
Urm, how many restaurants have you been to lately ? Payment is usually made
after the meal has been consumed.
It does raise an interesting point, that of varifing the person making the
booking is a genuine customer.
-snip-
--
Regards, CJ Llewellyn
PC Plus Linux www.work-smarter.co.uk/pcp.html
It's back see me naked ;-)
Webcam www.north-lincolnshire.com/webcam.html
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From: Richard Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,alt.os.linux.suse,comp.os.linux.misc,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Restaurant Booking System
Date: 28 Aug 2000 22:15:03 +0100
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Phil) writes:
> >You just need a central database (MySQL/Postgresql) with all the
> >bookings on it.
>
> You're forgetting he's taking online bookings. I presume payment needs to be
> made as well.
I doubt it would as I've never paid when I've booked a table at a
restaurant. I usually wait to see if there's a fly in the soup before
I do that.
> Forgetting for one minute the hassle of having your own
> webserver you're also going to have to think about security. Security in the
> form of the transmission of the data and also the storage of the
> data.
You mean like securely stored on a remote web server and encrypted
with PGP - credit card numbers erased after being retrieved by 128bit
secure http?
Strange as it sounds remarkably like my weekend as I've just sorted
something exactly like that out for someone.
> If you're not taking the credit card numbers over the web, I would advise
> going your own or getting someone else to setup the stuff for
> you. It wouldn't be that expensive,
I'm not sure why you say that. Why does it matter where the server
is? Now I'm not against people setting up web servers, in fact I'm all
for it (that's why there's one under my desk) but this sounds like
something that can be handled for low cost by an existing server
operator of which there are plenty. Even a co-location is going to be
better for most people than having the thing on the premises and
sorting out the right internet connectivity.
> If you want something like this give me a shout.
Nothing like a good piece of advertising ;-)
(note smiley)
--
Richard Watson | Pentagon Web Design Ltd | Reading, UK
[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Fax: +44(0)870 706 5282 | ICQ: 65274884
http://www.pwdltd.co.uk | Reg. Linux User #183315 | GPG/PGP 0xA6AB8345
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From: quagly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: imwheel stopped working
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 20:32:36 GMT
Anton Suchaneck wrote:
> Since I changed th configuration of imwheel, imwheel stopped working.
> It starts without complaining but my wheel doesnt work. Has anyone have
> a suggestion?
>
> Anton
Get xfree86 4.0 It has wheel support built in!
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.text.xml,comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: Linux, XML, and assalting Windows
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 20:30:20 GMT
> As such, while it would be possible to describe all of a system using
> an XML document, that would probably be rather useless, as you need
> some substrate on which the XML is to be stored.
>
> In effect, XML _can't_ be the "base;" there needs to be a serial
> stream on which to place the XML-formatted material. You need
> something below it.
>
> It seems more useful to talk about that specific "thing that is
> below."
Okay. Today we have an architecture where we store our programs and
data on a persistent medium (usually a hard disk). We could in fact
execute directly against the hard disk (skipping the need to implement
memory). There are two problems with this approach. The first is that
it would be slow. Yet that isn't necessarily the biggest problem. The
biggest problem is fault tolerance. If you have a crash, and the only
representation you have was the one you were running against, you are
simply out of luck. (Like typing byte codes in to a Commadore 64. It
crashes, and you end up starting over, typing the byte codes in all
over again.)
So, what we have done is create an architecture where we keep a rather
stable instance of our configuration information on disk (generally in
a file system). Then if our system happens to crash, we can turn it
off, turn it back on, and be up and running again.
We do this, even though we could simply save and restore our current
state to disk. Rebooting is necessary though, because we don't have
systems stable enough that we can be absolutely sure our image will
never crash.
Looking at our storage vs. the memory images in a computer system, we
see a rather significant drop in complexity. Data structures in memory
being far more complex, and executable code being far more complex in
memory than that which exists in storage (EPROM).
We also see storage showing a significantly reduced amount of change
when compared to memory. Files in storage tend to be rather fixed,
with few changes, while what is expressed in memory varies widely over
time. (Keep in mind, this is all relative! Compared to the return
stack, nothing on disk changes much, no matter how we pound the disk.)
The point of what I am trying to get across is that storage really
serves as a working, dynamic definition of what programs can be
executed in memory, without requiring all those programs to be loaded
into memory at any given time. Almost everything that ends up
executing in memory was defined in storage.
This model works very well, as long as storage is more static than
dynamic. And as long as storage remains rather simple, without too much
complicated structure.
How does networking modify the model we have been using? It is
complicating the underlying structure. The mostly simple tree (a
directory structure) is becoming more of a general net, like a tree of
nodes with links into locations in other trees, on other computers.
And storage is becoming more dynamic. I am installing and removing many
more applications than I was in the early 90s. And compared to what I
was doing in the 80's, I thought I was doing too many installations
then!
One could argue at this point that we have already seen most of the
changes to computer systems that we are going to really need. That the
rate of installs and reconfigurations is going to slow down. I don't
really think so.
We can get more stability without requiring major changes to existing
operating systems and applications by constructing a "storage"
for "storage". In other words, instead of rebooting solely to storage
(where if I have a failure, I am really out of luck), I can instead
access a more fundamental definition of storage. It is this layer that
can make use of definitions of storage constructed in XML.
The result is a model that looks like this:
X ==> Storage ==> Memory
Where X is that "Thing Below" you wanted to talk about.
Does this help?
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From: Ken Conroy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc,alt.os.linux.mandrake
Subject: Re: Compiling GNOME - Compiler can't find GDK-Pixbuf
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 17:04:07 -0400
Colin Watson wrote:
> Ken Conroy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >For some reason, after making and installing (via the included
> >instructions) the gdk-pixbuf library (this is one of the few that do
> >not come with a .spec file, so I just did a normal ./configure, make,
> >make install) the next components to be compiled and installed (all the
> >components listed before gdk-pixbuf compiled into RPMs and then
> >installed without a hitch) I recieved a message telling me that the
> >compiler couldn't find the gdk-pixbuf library.
>
> The runtime library (the bit that lets you run programs linked against
> the library) is not the same as the development library (the bit that
> lets you compile programs linked against the library). Did you also
> build and install the development library?
>
> >My current non-default compiler options (or rather, the options used by
> >the configure script) are as follows:
> >MACHTYPE=i686-mandrake-linux-gnu
> >HOSTTYPE=i686
> >CFLAGS="-06 -fomit-frame-pointer -mpentiumpro -mcpu=pentiumpro
> >-march=pentiumpro -ffast-math -fexpensive-optimizations"
>
> Hmm. Well, I would use somewhat more conservative options, but I guess
> mad optimizations are what Mandrake is about. ;)
>
> --
> Colin Watson [[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> "Is this legal?"
> "That question is OFF-TOPIC here." - alt.binaries.cracks FAQ
Thanks for the info, makes me feel like my IQ should be dropped 30 points
for not thinking of that sooner. D'oh!
>Hmm. Well, I would use somewhat more conservative options, but I guess
>mad optimizations are what Mandrake is about. ;)
Hell Yeah! Even using PPro over Pentium opts (when you have a
686-compatible processor, that is) produced a small but noticable
improvement in speed - so I'm working on doing that with all my new apps to
make my system as fast and effecient as possible. I AM crazy, stuff like
this doesn't surprise any of my friends. I once even tried to O/C a
scientific calculator, I swear it shaved a few milliseconds off the
calculation time, but the HSF broke off...
Sorry, no kickass quote here, but I have to say you picked a good one :>
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