Linux-Setup Digest #504, Volume #19 Tue, 29 Aug 00 01:13:13 EDT
Contents:
Re: Linux, XML, and assalting Windows ("paul snow")
Re: Install question - newbie- Laptop (Valentin Guillen)
Re: GTK/GLIB not working!!!! ("Ozetechnology")
Re: Modem for multiple OS's (Black Dragon)
Re: Linux, XML, and assalting Windows
anyone know of good continuous music stream player for linux? (Ethan VonderWeid)
Re: Linux Help. (moonie;))
Re: Recommendations on a good book. (moonie;))
Re: Install question - newbie- Laptop (Glenn)
Re: I upgraded my chip and Linux died!!!!! (David Efflandt)
Re: More than 1GB memory (moonie;))
Re: HD ticks every second. (moonie;))
triple boot ("Edward")
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From: "paul snow" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.text.xml,comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux, XML, and assalting Windows
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 04:09:06 GMT
Bob Hauck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On Mon, 28 Aug 2000 02:28:10 GMT, paul snow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >Bob Hauck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> >> You've got it exactly backwards. Raw storage is just numbered blocks
> >> on the disk. Filesystems are an abstraction created by the OS.
>
> >No, you have it backwards. Where is the OS when your computer is off?
>
> In a pile of bits on the hard disk.
So, your OS is in storage. And Obviously that storage can be changed, so
long as the reasonable set of changes possible are documented. Or the
storage could be inspected against this documentation. Reconfigured if
necessary. New features added. In fact, anything that is documented, from
a storage point of view, can be done outside the OS. Because the OS is
nothing more than just another program, just so many bits on the hard disk.
Why not just give that point up?
All that about how you would have to stop the OS to manage it. Give that up
too. Surely you can figure out at least one way around that. I can think
of several, depending on the OS.
Then you might as well admit that what I am talking about is an organized,
standard form for what we do today. I have OS CDs and applications, etc. I
manually install them. Sure, lots of hand waving goes on, and it can be an
annoying process. But in the end, I transfer the abstract definitions from
this collection of static, issolated CDs into a rendering on the hard disk
of my machine. I supply all the answers to all the decision points.
Suppose the hard disk crashes. I can buy another, and assuming I can lay my
hands on all my CDs, I can rebuild my machine yet again (losing only my
unqiue work, if I failed to transfer it too to some external storage). And
I supply all the answers to all the decision points yet one more time.
Are you really saying no standard form, with a single separate install
facility for a given computer system can be reasonably define that is
equivilant to running a bunch of installs off a set of CDs?
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From: Valentin Guillen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux.mandrake,comp.os.linux.portable
Subject: Re: Install question - newbie- Laptop
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 04:20:15 GMT
Gerardo,
Different operating systems product different types of partitions. Some
operating systems can recognize partitions, and sometimes even file
systems from other, foreign operating systems.
For example, Linux and BeOS can recognize and optionally use DOS file
systems and partitions. However, out of the box DOS cannot recognize
nor use the partitions or the file systems either Linux or BeOS.
These different operating systems have ways that they identify partition
types. Linux partition types are known as type 82 and type 83
partitions, one being the "swap partition" type and the other being the
"linux native" partition. This info is contained in the man pages for
fdisk and also available WHILE WITHIN AND USING LINUX fdisk. You can use
either dos or linux to do the partitioning. You should use DOS fdisk if
you're not familiar yet with linux, as the GNU/Linux fdisk can be
intimidating.
Dos cannot see or use these partition types. Linux's FDISK program on
the other hand, can take a BeOS or an OS/2, or a DOS, etc, partition,
and "convert" that partition to an 82 or 83, and thus use it for
installing and using linux on. Whenever using linux's fdisk program for
these kind of operations, you must always reboot the computer for those
changes to take effect.
You probably should have a small DOS partition at the beginning of the
drive, to hold any boot managers you may wish to use in the future, as
many of them require a dos parition in which "to live". The linux boot
loaders loadlin.exe and bootlin.exe both require launching from DOS
(they're dos executables), albeit floppy or hard drive.
Linux doesn't use an executable, like setup.exe in order to perform an
installation. In order to install, linux does the same equivalent, but
what actually happens is that a bootloader like loadlin.exe will boot,
in conjunction with an "image" file the computer to a stage where it can
run a setup or installation routine. There are different image files
which can be invoked, depending upon if you want to boot into an already
installed system, or if you want to boot into an installation routine,
or if you need to enable special devices at boot time, like parallel
port cd-rom drives, etc.
All of this stuff is usually invisible to the new user running an
install. I would recommend SuSE. After using several distros over the
years, it's the one I prefer. It always works, and the
installation/user manual included is *alone* worth the price of the
shrinkwrap.
On the CD #1 you'll find a /dosutils subdirectory which will have
different image files for booting from, boot loaders, DOS network
clients, windows9x Xwindows clients, rawrite and many other usefull
tools and drivers.
So, in your case, you would put the loadlin.exe and the image file for
enabling and installing from the CD-ROM drive, onto the hard drive.
That way, you boot off of the hard drive into a dos prompt, probably c:
You would then issue the command to boot into linux with the CD-ROM to
be be enabled. Something similar to
c:/loadlin/loadlin.exe c:/loadlin/zimage root=/dev/hdb2 ro vga=3
(example only)That would start the installation routine without needing
to use a floppy for anything
If your notebook supports booting from CD-ROM, you could insert the CD
and reboot your computer.
Mandrake should have a selection of utilities and image files available
for your use in a similar location on the distribution CD. There will
also be either or both text/html readme files which will say what
different files are and where you'll find them. This is also where
you'll find info on HOW to use things like the loadlin.exe and others.
Hope it helps you get installed and no longer needing to use
OExpress....8-)
Valentin Guillen
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From: "Ozetechnology" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: GTK/GLIB not working!!!!
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 14:15:53 +1000
Sounds like you have the same problem I had a while back with redhat 6.2,
multiple copies of GLIB and GTK installed, after installing the updates
with defaults. To confirm this look for all copies of the following files.
glib-config
gtk-config
there should be only one copy of each, on my redhat 6.2 box they live in
/usr/bin
I downloaded the source for the updates compiled it and installed it
getting the same thing as you. Installing from the source you need to use
the
--prefix=/usr with the configure. which worked for me.
David
Site: www.ozetechnology.com
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In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Matt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> i just installed linux, and when trying to install something, i think
> GAIM, it kept saying that i needed to install GTK 1.2.8 or better, so
> went to www.gtk.org and downloaded, and tried installing it, but it
> asked for GLIB
> 1.2.8 or better, so i went back to www.gtk.org noticing that they also
> had GLIB. i installed it, and no error messages. so then getting back
> to installing GTK, it still said that GLIB 1.2.8 or better was needed.
> i am confused, because i had just installed GLIB, and tried reinstalling
> many times, but it still has the same error messages. please help.
> thanks.
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Black Dragon)
Subject: Re: Modem for multiple OS's
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 04:30:48 GMT
On Tue, 29 Aug 2000 00:22:41 GMT in comp.os.linux.setup,
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> `Albretch' said:
>Hi,
[...]
> I know this is not the right place to ask Windows NT questions :-),
Then why do it? :-/
> in that case, do you know of a V90 56K modem that can work with all these
> OS's?
USR external modems are all I have ever used with the single exception of a
Telebit 1200bps external modem on my first machine. I've _never_ had any
problems at all using external modems with any OS, and IMHO, they are worth
the extra cost vs. internal modems.
--
Black Dragon
"Resist militant `normality' -- A mind is a terrible thing to erase."
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.text.xml,comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux, XML, and assalting Windows
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 21:37:42 -0700
Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
paul snow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:sjGq5.21102$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> No, I did not know programs can exist without computer storage.
There have been computers that have a series of SPST or SPDT toggle switches
to provide the bits for the processors word size another series of toggle
switches to provide the bits for the address bus. As well as a few switches
to control the processor's operating mode, such as run or pause, and a few
SPST or SPDT push button switches for thing like execute and load. In
general there were light, often light emitting diodes that corresponded to
the address and data toggles as well as a few statue lights.
While the processor was in pause mode, you could set the toggles into their
on or off positions to represent 1 and 0 bits. To bootstrap such a
computer, since they most often did not have ROMs, you would toggle in the
bootstrap loader program a byte at a time and writing it to the RAM by
pushing the load (or write push button switch) when the address and data
toggles are correctly set for that byte of the program. In some cases
entire operating systems or other software was entered this way.
With many of these systems you could also set the data toggles to the next
byte/word of the program and press the execute push button switch without
having to enter the byte into the computer's memory first or ever.
Have you not ever encountered or heard of any of these system?
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From: Ethan VonderWeid <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: anyone know of good continuous music stream player for linux?
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 21:49:29 -0700
I'm looking for something akin to Spinner, but that runs on linux. for
those not familiar with Spinner, it's a windows app that plays a
continuous stream of music (I think it uses realplayer under the hood).
you choose a "channel" (each channel streams a different music genre)
and away you go. not as much hassle as hunting down and organizing mp3s
or cds, but on the downside you have to listen to the occasional ad.
anyway, spinner.com has more details for the truly curious.
anybody know of such a beast?
thanks in advance,
e
(reply to devnull(at)vonderweid(dot)com, after doing the usual address
dance)
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From: moonie;) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux Help.
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 00:50:39 -0400
On Mon, 28 Aug 2000, Timothy N. Couch wrote:
>I'm new to using Linux, and had a few questions. I'm building a
>Linux file server, on a small home network. I haven't even installed Linux
>on the server yet, as I'm having some dificulty with hardware issues at the
>moment. But here is what I plan to do.
>
> I have two Windows 98 clients, and want to use the Linux box to
>store my files, etc.. I'd also like to add some security to the linux box,
>so only my wife, and I have access to the files. I was wondering which
>how-to's would help me set up the system in this way? Thanks for your time.
>
> Timothy N. Couch
www.samba.org
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From: moonie;) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Recommendations on a good book.
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 00:52:03 -0400
On Mon, 28 Aug 2000, Adam H. wrote:
>Hi,
>
>I'm looking for a good linux book. (On either Redhat or Debian). I haven't
>started to work on Debian yet - but I may move to it. (I've heard it's
>better
>than RH).
>
>Anyway - I coudn't care less about the GUI. What I really need to know are
>things
>like:
>
>* Setting up linux to route other computers to the internet via one modem.
>* Setting up linux as a Dialup Server and provide IP addresses. (Like a ISP)
>* Setting up POP mail access using something like Qmail (and the ability to
> fetch it from another POP mail account).
>* Setting up different html / ftp protocols and accounts
>* Setting up firewalls.
>
>Is their a good book, that explains all this thoroughly?
>
>TIA
>
>Adam
Red Hat Linux 6 Unleashed has been like a godsend to me (even though I run
Mandrake 7.02)
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Registered Linux User #175104
http://counter.li.org
KDE2
Kernel 2.4.0-test5
XFree86 4.0 Nvidia .94 drivers
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Test-Pilots-R-Us ;)
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From: Glenn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux.mandrake,comp.os.linux.portable
Subject: Re: Install question - newbie- Laptop
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 21:16:39 -0700
IIRC Partition Magic has instructions on how to creat bootable floppy
with partitioning software on it. You can then partition solely for
Linux and boot from a Linux install floppy.
Gerardo wrote:
>
> 1. Can I format the hard drive in my laptop with the Linux partition system
> using a DOS program from a small DOS partition in my hard drive? What
> program do I use? At the end I will have a small DOS partition and the rest
> of the HD ready for LINUX. (like a DOS Partition Magic...) .
>
> 2. Is there a Linux Distribution (I prefer Mandrake) that I can put the
> "setup.exe" program in my small DOS partition in my HD, and install LINUX
> from the CD? (My floppy drive would not be available during the
> installation).
>
> Thank you,
> Gerardo
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Manteca, California, USA
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David Efflandt)
Subject: Re: I upgraded my chip and Linux died!!!!!
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 04:53:13 +0000 (UTC)
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Tue, 29 Aug 2000, Juleen Jenkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Last night I took my old P100, on which I had a nice dual boot of
>Win95 (1.5 gig hda) and Mandrake 7.0 (4 gig hdc). Up to yesterday,
>Mandrake was running great, if a bit sluggish with KDE. I decided that
>I would get a bit tricky and take an old Evergreen Technologies 200Mhz
>Pentium mmx clone and throw it in. I did, and Win95 booted up just
>fine. When I rebooted and pointed bootmagic toward Mandrake, however,
>Linux died. 1st it died when trying to go into X. It waited about 25
>minutes before I finally tried to break out. I finally reset the box.
>Then it just kept hanging on the load. So I think, well Jimbo, you did
>it now. You hosed Linux. So I decided to try a reinstall (I had only
>put in on there a few weeks back, so I hadn't done much with it). I
>start from scratch, use fdisk to blow away the Linux main and swap
>partitions, then use partition magic to recreate them. This worked
>fine. I then went to the install and it froze when Mandrake tried to
>format the newly created Linux partitions. I started over, it froze
>before then. At this point, I was a touch frustrated.
>
>I remember that my bro had given me his old copy of Caldera OpenLinux
>2.3, so I figure I would try that. Fdisk again, then partition magic,
>yada yada... Caldera freezes on install.
If even a regular i386 version of Linux crashes, it sounds like it might
be incompatible with your system (voltage or BIOS?).
I am running an Evergreen Spectra400 (AMD K6-2/400) in my old P100 box and
it came with a flash BIOS upgrade. At first, Win95 totally crashed and
messed up its registry. Linux simply core dumped with no harm when trying
to load large programs (netscape or kernel compile). It turned out that
the BIOS upgrade defaulted to 55ns RAM setting and I have 60ns EDO RAM.
Once I fixed that, Linux worked without a hitch (RH 6.1 and Mandrake 7.0).
But Win95 could not get out of safe mode until I stumbled on switching it
from my Panasonic monitor driver to its generic SVGA driver (it's beyond
me how monitor settings could crash Windows).
What would you give me for a real Pentium P180 MMX overdrive that will run
forever at 200 MHz (398 bogomips) at P100 settings (66 MHz clock)? Plug &
play, built-in voltage regulator, no incompatibilies. Compile a kernel in
half the time, only 30 seconds slower than the Spectra400 (its fpu sucks).
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From: moonie;) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: More than 1GB memory
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 00:53:20 -0400
On Mon, 28 Aug 2000, Michael Perry wrote:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Kim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>wrote:
>> Can linux support machines with more than 1GB memory now? I read on one
>> FAQ that it couldn't but thought that maybe it was out of date now.
>>
>> - Kim Hendrikse
>>
>> (I have a machine with 2GB ram I'd like to get going)
>
>Check out recopiling with larger physical memory selection.
>
>--
>Michael E. Perry
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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With the kernel I am running (2.4.0-test5) I believe the limit is 4GB, yea like
i'm gonna need that much!
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Registered Linux User #175104
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KDE2
Kernel 2.4.0-test5
XFree86 4.0 Nvidia .94 drivers
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From: moonie;) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: HD ticks every second.
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 00:58:21 -0400
On Sun, 27 Aug 2000, Yuval Yohai wrote:
>Hi, My HD makes a ticking noise once a second or so (with Windows too),
>even when the system is idle for a long time. The HD led also blinks
>along with it.
>Besides that it is working fine in Linux and Windows.
>
>Any suggestions?
>Yuval
I had this problem with a Western Digital 136AA drive, it went bad within one
week of purchase (right after the ticking sound started). The company I
ordered it from sent me a new one, after a month it started the ticking sound
and failed the next day. This time they sent me another brand (Quantum) HD and
bigger at the same price, hasn't failed yet!
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From: "Edward" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux.mandrake
Subject: triple boot
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 05:06:38 GMT
Hi,
>From my earlier post (taking the plunge) it seems that Mandrake is the
easiest to install for a newbie like me. When I get my new comp, I plan to
reformat and install Windows Me (for those games), Win2k, and Linux. What
order should I install (i'm pretty sure it would matter). I'm guessing Me,
2k, linux?
>From Me-->2k I know that 2k automatically makes a dual boot. Would the
mandrake installation autodetect those and make it's own bootloader?
Also, if should I buy a boxed version of Mandrake, or should I download it
somewhere (have cable) and buy a separate linux book?
Thanks,
Edward
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