Linux-Setup Digest #507, Volume #19 Tue, 29 Aug 00 10:13:09 EDT
Contents:
HELP ERROR ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Linux, XML, and assalting Windows ("paul snow")
Re: make Win98 the default OS on LILO (Eric)
Re: Linux, XML, and assalting Windows ("paul snow")
PCTEL modem works, now ttyS0 doesn't. (Barry Satan)
Re: MDK 7.1 - 650MB HD enough? (Buchan Milne)
Re: SV: starting on NIS & DNS (Patrick Soileau)
Re: Linux Mail Server (Dustin Puryear)
telnet error ("Fred")
Re: Which is best? Red Hat Linux or Corel Linux? (Rod Smith)
Re: triple boot (Flotsam)
Re: triple boot (Buchan Milne)
Re: triple boot (Rod Smith)
Re: triple boot (Buchan Milne)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: HELP ERROR
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 11:58:30 GMT
Whenever I try to execute a file, I get this warning message "no action
taken". It receive this error message (warning) either as root or any
other user???
Thanks in advance
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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From: "paul snow" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.text.xml,comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux, XML, and assalting Windows
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 12:16:49 GMT
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:8off6l$f3c$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> paul snow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:sjGq5.21102$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> > No, I did not know programs can exist without computer storage.
>
> There have been computers that have a series of SPST or SPDT toggle
switches
> to provide the bits for the processors word size another series of toggle
> switches to provide the bits for the address bus. As well as a few
switches
> to control the processor's operating mode, such as run or pause, and a few
> SPST or SPDT push button switches for thing like execute and load. In
> general there were light, often light emitting diodes that corresponded to
> the address and data toggles as well as a few statue lights.
>
> While the processor was in pause mode, you could set the toggles into
their
> on or off positions to represent 1 and 0 bits. To bootstrap such a
> computer, since they most often did not have ROMs, you would toggle in the
> bootstrap loader program a byte at a time and writing it to the RAM by
> pushing the load (or write push button switch) when the address and data
> toggles are correctly set for that byte of the program. In some cases
> entire operating systems or other software was entered this way.
>
> With many of these systems you could also set the data toggles to the next
> byte/word of the program and press the execute push button switch without
> having to enter the byte into the computer's memory first or ever.
>
> Have you not ever encountered or heard of any of these system?
Of course. But how is the persistent state of a swich interestingly
different than storage? Or in other words, how is this computational model
significantly different than a Turing machine? (Hint: it isn't)
My statement (that storage defines the programs) is provably true. All
computation, and in fact all processes (even biological processes) can be
showed to map to what a Turing Machine can do. And the programs of a Turing
machine are defined by the tape (storage). So I can change the
implementation, and I can build radically different machines as I aim for
performance, but as long as I am doing computation, I am just building
different versions of a Turing Machine.
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From: Eric <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: make Win98 the default OS on LILO
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 14:17:42 +0200
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> hi all,
>
> Recently, I installed win98 and Redhat6.0 successfully on my PC, but
> the default os loaded by LILO is Redhat6.0, how do I change it to Win98?
>
> thanks in advance
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.
add (or change) the line
default=linux
in /etc/lilo.conf to
default=dos
the name is whatever name you chose for windows (defaults to dos in RH6)
and do not forget to run lilo after you changed this file.
BTW, I'm not 100% sure about this, but I believe you can use linuxconf
too to change the default boot.
Eric
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From: "paul snow" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.text.xml,comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: Linux, XML, and assalting Windows
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 12:22:26 GMT
Yes, the biggest problem is the interactions. If I have a set of (any sort
of structured description, so why not use, or ASOSDSWNU ) XML, why can't we
carry this XML forward to automate how we deal with them?
Another complexity is just what we install. We can use (ASOSDSWNU) XML to
help us there too.
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:8ofk4s$8vl$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> There's nothing magic about xml, as others have pointed out. Despite
> all the current hype, it's really just SMGL lite--25 year old
> technology chopped down to a manageable size & warmed over. The only
> reason people thinks it's hot is 'cause it has 'X' in its name.
>
> Though it's got no technical advantage over other file formats, it does
> have some value due to the hype--there's some consensus for it, so it's
> a kind of lingua franca. A big disadvantage over other formats is that
> it's so verbose--data files typically grow by an order of magnitude
> when converted to xml format.
>
> It's already being used for configuration files & deployment
> descriptors--something like what you're describing. It's descriptive
> enough & it works. I admit that I use xml frequently because, all else
> being equal, it's what everybody else thinks is new & hot & sexy. So
> people think our software is cool 'cause it use xml. & like I said,
> it's no disadvantage that it works & you can get free parsers for it
> from IBM & Sun & Oracle etc.
>
> But it doesn't solve any new problems. The biggest pain in the ass in
> installing new software on an existing system is the interaction with
> the software & hardware configuration that is already there.
> That's the tough part & xml doesn't help with that. That's the job
> that install programs do.
>
> In article <3q1p5.14319$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> "paul snow" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Here is a few observations:
> >
> > Linux on the desktop (and as a server) requires it to beat Windows
> XXX hands
> > down for ease of configuration, security, and management.
> >
> > Installing software is simply the act of constructing in storage a
> proper
> > representation of the software. In other words, our talking about
> > installing software on a computer is like a painter insisting she is
> > installing a picture of a duck onto her painting. It doesn't matter
> how she
> > does it, she is rendering the duck, not installing it.
> >
> > We need to get rid of install programs, on all platforms. There isn't
> > another single thing we do on computers that causes more in dollars
> and time
> > (Solitaire *is* a close second, however ;-).
> >
> > XML can be used to define a program in abstract. A single, separate
> > Software Rendering Facility can be used to take a program's abstract
> form in
> > XML and render it to the target computer system.
> >
> > XML can be used to capture the options required for this rendering.
> >
> > XML can be used to refer to a group of programs in abstract (XML),
> and their
> > options (XML), in order to define a single definition that can be
> expressed
> > in different ways on different computer systems to construct an
> operational,
> > distributed application. (Unlike today, where we have to install
> every web
> > server, every firewall, every Java JDK, every etc. all from scratch,
> with
> > one mistake preventing any of it from working!)
> >
> > This discussion about how XML might be used along with Linux to
> create a new
> > concept in Operating Systems is beginning. We have the technology
> and the
> > know how. We just have to take our computer system, set it on its
> side and
> > view it a bit differently. This technology is going to completely
> change
> > the rules of software configuration, management, and security, and
> you can
> > make it happen.
> >
> > http://www.egroups.com/group/xmlos/
> > http://www.egroups.com/subscribe/xmlos/
> >
> > Paul Snow
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> >
>
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Barry Satan)
Subject: PCTEL modem works, now ttyS0 doesn't.
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 13:20:36 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I compiled and installed pctel.o to get my PCTEL software modem working, but my
terminal
on /dev/ttyS0 doesn't work while pctel.o is installed. Any ideas?
Barry
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Web page: http://members.dingoblue.net.au/~barryog
Atheist, scanner, LIPD information, horse pictures
Updated 27/07/00
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From: Buchan Milne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux.mandrake
Subject: Re: MDK 7.1 - 650MB HD enough?
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 15:01:09 +0200
I installed on a laptop with only 500MB, and could have gnome and kde
base packages plus Gnumeric spreadsheet and Abiword word processor with
about 80MB free. Netscape might also have been on, but very little else.
Buchan
Gerardo wrote:
>
> I have a laptop with Win98 SE (1.2 Gig HD) that has about 650 to 700 MB left
> in the harddrive. Is that enough for a decent MDK 7.1 installation?
>
> I plan to use the Partition Magic that comes with the Macmillan Mandrake
> 6.5 to partition the HD and install the Maximum Linux magazine Mandrake 7.1.
>
> Thank you,
> Gerardo
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Cellphone +27824722231
email mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Centre for Automotive Engineering http://www.sun.ac.za/cae
South Africas first satellite: http://sunsat.ee.sun.ac.za
Control Models http://www.control.co.za
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From: Patrick Soileau <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.admin,comp.os.linux.admin,linux.redhat,linux.redhat.misc
Subject: Re: SV: starting on NIS & DNS
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 08:17:37 -0500
Greetings!
The "man" pages are always a very good place to start, along
with any other docs which might have come with your system.
After that, I'd seriously consider a trip to a bookstore or a web
site for some reading materials. Personally, I like the O'Reilly
books as I find them fairly easy to read and informative. They
have books on "Learning Red Hat Linux" and "DNS & Bind"
which might be just what you're looking for in this case.
Of course, there are *tons* of other books out there.
On the web, you might try a visit to....
http://www.ora.com
http://www.bn.com
http://www.bookpool.com
http://www.fatbrain.com
That should get ya started... Good luck.
Patrick
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Efraim Mostrom wrote:
> b.misra <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> skrev i
>diskussionsgruppsmeddelandet:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > hi ..
> > i'll like to learn about setting up DNS & NIS servers . i'm using
> > RH6.0 & i have 6 linux m/c in my place
> > with one m/c connected to internet using PPP.
> > could someone give a starting point. I'll like to involved more in
>
> man dns
>
> /Efraim
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dustin Puryear)
Crossposted-To:
alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.networking,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Linux Mail Server
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 13:24:49 GMT
On Mon, 28 Aug 2000 09:17:52 -0400, "Richard F. Jr."
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I would point you to QMail - www.qmail.org ...
>QMail is currently the most secure MTA around for UNIX / Linux and is very
>fast,
>and very scalable. LARGE Servers use QMail like :
Touted as the most secure..
---
Dustin Puryear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Author of "Integrate Linux Solutions into Your Windows Network"
The Baton Rouge Linux User Group - http://www.brlug.net
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From: "Fred" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: telnet error
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 21:35:12 +0800
Dear all,
I setup a PC with redhat 6.2. I can telnet to this PC from other machine.
However, it shows the following error message when I try to telnet to other
machine from this PC.
Trying ***.***.***.***...
Connected to abc.def.com (***.***.***.***).
Escape character is '^]'.
Connection closed by foreign host.
I try to ftp to other machine. It can't make connection too. Could you tell
me what the problem is? Thanks a lot.
Cheers,
Fred
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Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Rod Smith)
Subject: Re: Which is best? Red Hat Linux or Corel Linux?
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 13:52:37 GMT
[Posted and mailed]
In article <vaEq5.39800$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"Tomas Kroown" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I have the option of installing either one of these.
You may want to check my web site:
http://www.rodsbooks.com/distribs/
--
Rod Smith, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.rodsbooks.com
Author of books on Linux & multi-OS configuration
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Flotsam)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux.mandrake
Subject: Re: triple boot
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 14:00:35 GMT
On Tue, 29 Aug 2000 11:08:12 +0200, De Kleyne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>98 (or ME), NT (or 2k), Linux
>for more info howto on NT+ Linux => it is quite easy, once you take the plunge
You might need a link for that: http://linuxdoc.org --look for a nearby
mirror.
The doc is called "Linux+NT-Loader" ...I think it's in the mini-Howto dir.
F.
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From: Buchan Milne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux.mandrake
Subject: Re: triple boot
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 16:01:35 +0200
I partition first (to make a /boot out of habit, safe for grub-less
distros) using Mandrake's diskdrake after booting off the CD. It does a
better job of making (but not formatting) an NTFS partition. THen
Install windows, then linux. Mandrake should pick up the two windows,
but if not you can tell it where they are.
For security reasons, I would suggest not using the WinME / Win2k dual
boot (except if ME supports NTFS, does it?) since this leaves your
boot.ini on a security-less partition, which means anyone can make your
machine boot from any media they like. (Then again, for home use this
might not matter)
I would suggest 2 primary partitions (1 each for each windows) and use a
bootloader (Win2k OSLOader might work, GRUB does this well) to activate
and boot the OS. While you're setting this up, you can just change
Active partitions with fdisk from a win98 boot disk.
Disclaimer: I have not used Windows ME, but this method works well with
98SE/NT4/Linux Mandrake 7.1
Buchan
Edward wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> From my earlier post (taking the plunge) it seems that Mandrake is the
> easiest to install for a newbie like me. When I get my new comp, I plan to
> reformat and install Windows Me (for those games), Win2k, and Linux. What
> order should I install (i'm pretty sure it would matter). I'm guessing Me,
> 2k, linux?
>
> From Me-->2k I know that 2k automatically makes a dual boot. Would the
> mandrake installation autodetect those and make it's own bootloader?
>
> Also, if should I buy a boxed version of Mandrake, or should I download it
> somewhere (have cable) and buy a separate linux book?
>
> Thanks,
> Edward
--
|--------------------------------------------------------------|
Buchan Milne Mechanical Engineer, Network Manager
Cellphone +27824722231
email mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Centre for Automotive Engineering http://www.sun.ac.za/cae
South Africas first satellite: http://sunsat.ee.sun.ac.za
Control Models http://www.control.co.za
|----------------Registered Linux User #182071-----------------|
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Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Rod Smith)
Subject: Re: triple boot
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux.mandrake
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 14:02:39 GMT
[Posted and mailed]
In article <yxHq5.112246$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"Edward" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Hi,
>
> From my earlier post (taking the plunge) it seems that Mandrake is the
> easiest to install for a newbie like me. When I get my new comp, I plan to
> reformat and install Windows Me (for those games), Win2k, and Linux. What
> order should I install (i'm pretty sure it would matter). I'm guessing Me,
> 2k, linux?
That's the way I'd do it, although any other order CAN be made to work.
Some of these would require extra effort, such as recovering a boot
loader after Windows 9x overwrites it.
> From Me-->2k I know that 2k automatically makes a dual boot. Would the
> mandrake installation autodetect those and make it's own bootloader?
That depends on what you mean. I recommend you install each OS in its
own boot partition (adding 2K to a 9x/ME system might or might not do
this). IMHO, LILO is an easier boot loader to use than is NT's OS
Loader, so I wouldn't rely on that for anything. Just set LILO up to
boot each of the Windows OSs. With any luck, if you put each version of
Windows on its own boot partition, the Linux installation will detect
these and set things up correctly itself. At worst, you'll need to edit
/etc/lilo.conf manually. (Whether the installer detects each version of
Windows may vary from one distribution to another.) Alternatively, you
could use a third-party boot loader, like BootMagic, System Commander,
etc.
FWIW, I cover all this in great detail in my book, _The Multi-Boot
Configuration Handbook_ (http://www.rodsbooks.com/multiboot/).
> Also, if should I buy a boxed version of Mandrake, or should I download it
> somewhere (have cable) and buy a separate linux book?
There's no one right answer to this question. It's a matter of your
individual needs and personal preference. Check what the boxed versions
have that the download doesn't have (depending on the box, you'll get a
few or a lot of additional software, a manual, some installation
support, and maybe one or two doo-dads), and decide for yourself.
--
Rod Smith, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.rodsbooks.com
Author of books on Linux & multi-OS configuration
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From: Buchan Milne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux.mandrake
Subject: Re: triple boot
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 16:05:13 +0200
Forgot about the buy/download issue:
I just bought 7.1 Deluxe, and the manuals are quite decent in giving you
the basics of editing files, fiel permissions etc, but you might still
want a good book. If you don't buy an official copy, rather buy the CDs
(usually about $2) from http://www.linuxmall.com,
http://www.cheapbytes.com or http://www.linuxcentral.com as it will save
you time.
I downloaded my original CDs from the mirror we have locally, so it only
took about 20 minutes (avg 6Mbps).
Buchan Milne wrote:
>
> I partition first (to make a /boot out of habit, safe for grub-less
> distros) using Mandrake's diskdrake after booting off the CD. It does a
> better job of making (but not formatting) an NTFS partition. THen
> Install windows, then linux. Mandrake should pick up the two windows,
> but if not you can tell it where they are.
>
> For security reasons, I would suggest not using the WinME / Win2k dual
> boot (except if ME supports NTFS, does it?) since this leaves your
> boot.ini on a security-less partition, which means anyone can make your
> machine boot from any media they like. (Then again, for home use this
> might not matter)
>
> I would suggest 2 primary partitions (1 each for each windows) and use a
> bootloader (Win2k OSLOader might work, GRUB does this well) to activate
> and boot the OS. While you're setting this up, you can just change
> Active partitions with fdisk from a win98 boot disk.
>
> Disclaimer: I have not used Windows ME, but this method works well with
> 98SE/NT4/Linux Mandrake 7.1
>
> Buchan
>
> Edward wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > From my earlier post (taking the plunge) it seems that Mandrake is the
> > easiest to install for a newbie like me. When I get my new comp, I plan to
> > reformat and install Windows Me (for those games), Win2k, and Linux. What
> > order should I install (i'm pretty sure it would matter). I'm guessing Me,
> > 2k, linux?
> >
> > From Me-->2k I know that 2k automatically makes a dual boot. Would the
> > mandrake installation autodetect those and make it's own bootloader?
> >
> > Also, if should I buy a boxed version of Mandrake, or should I download it
> > somewhere (have cable) and buy a separate linux book?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Edward
>
> --
> |--------------------------------------------------------------|
> Buchan Milne Mechanical Engineer, Network Manager
> Cellphone +27824722231
> email mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Centre for Automotive Engineering http://www.sun.ac.za/cae
> South Africas first satellite: http://sunsat.ee.sun.ac.za
> Control Models http://www.control.co.za
> |----------------Registered Linux User #182071-----------------|
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|--------------------------------------------------------------|
Buchan Milne Mechanical Engineer, Network Manager
Cellphone +27824722231
email mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Centre for Automotive Engineering http://www.sun.ac.za/cae
South Africas first satellite: http://sunsat.ee.sun.ac.za
Control Models http://www.control.co.za
|----------------Registered Linux User #182071-----------------|
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