Linux-Setup Digest #520, Volume #19 Wed, 30 Aug 00 14:13:10 EDT
Contents:
Linux Upgrade 5.1 > 6.2 Redhat ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Linux, XML, and assalting Windows ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Linux, XML, and assalting Windows ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Free ISP's servicing Northern California? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
X-Win install on an I810 (Gerald Batten)
default windows manager for x? (Myra Hager)
problem with es1370 ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Linux Bargain at CompUSA! (Christopher W. Aiken)
Re: [Q] How to compile kernel in Debian / Storm (Eric Y. Chang)
Re: DHCP and resolv.conf (D G)
Re: hard drive partition table messed up! (John)
modules not loading at boot time, Redhat 5.1 (Hal Sadofsky)
Re: Linux and MS Server2000 on one HD ("Brian Bennett")
Re: Question about Red Hat Linux 6.2 (D G)
Re: X-Win install on an I810 (D G)
Installing Mandrake on top of Caldera ? (Martin Racette)
mergemem patch on 2.2.17pre19 (gabriele zugliani)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Linux Upgrade 5.1 > 6.2 Redhat
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 16:11:44 GMT
Hello Group,
The error that I've been receiving is very common, but need some GURU
advice or step-by-step to resolve it.
I'm currently upgrading a server running REDHAT 5.1 to REDHAT 6.2. The
install goes through great, until we reboot.
LILO:
Everything seems to load until it receives:
Kernel Panic: VFS Unable to mount root fs on 8:03
8:03 I assume refers to SDA3 which is the partition that the root is
mounted on.
Please help!
Regards,
John Plane Jr.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.text.xml,comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: Linux, XML, and assalting Windows
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 16:21:30 GMT
In article <pb_q5.545915$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Centuries ago, Nostradamus foresaw a time when [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> would say:
> >Sure you could use xml, as long as your install program can write it.
> >It would equivalent to the registry in WinX or the assorted /etc
files
> >(and more) in *x. But these mechanisms work (ugly as they may be in
> >their own unique ways). Why are you trying to fix the part of
software
> >installation & configuration that isn't broken?
>
> Indeed.
>
> What the world could use is some Better Tools for managing /etc files.
>
> For that purpose, I find I very much like cfengine
> <http://www.iu.hioslo.no/cfengine/>,
> which provides a rule-oriented system with operators for setting up
> directory links, modifying text-based config files (which is _very_
> nice for modifying things like /etc/hosts, /etc/fstab, and such),
> copying files into place, and Lots Of Other Stuff.
>
> There would be _some_ merit to creating an XML or SGML DTD to describe
> cfengine rules, thereby allowing cfengine configuration files to be
> managed using the fabled "generic XML editing tools," and validated
> before being dropped into place to give at least some _limited_
> guarantees of good behaviour.
>
> That would essentially amount to things like:
>
> <filestatusrules>
> <filestatusrule>
> <filename> /etc/printcap </filename>
> <mode> 644 </mode>
> <owner> root </owner>
> <action> fixplain </action>
> </filestatusrule>
> <!-- replacing "/etc/printcap m=644 o=root action=fixplain" -->
> <filestatusrule>
> <filename> /usr/sbin/sendmail </filename>
> <mode> 755 </mode>
> <owner> root </owner>
> <action> fixplain </action>
> </filestatusrule>
> <!-- replacing "/usr/sbin/sendmail m=755 o=root action=fixplain" -
->
> </filestatusrules>
> <editfiles>
> <editfile>
> <filename>/etc/apt/sources.list </filename>
> <appendifnosuchline> deb file:/brownes/knuth/debianstuff unstable
main
> </appendifnosuchline>
> <appendifnosuchline> deb http://alpha.onshore.com/debian local/
> </appendifnosuchline>
> <appendifnosuchline> deb http://hops.harvestroad.com.au/ debian/
> </appendifnosuchline>
> </editfile>
> <editfile>
> <filename> /etc/hosts </filename>
> <appendifnosuchline> 192.168.1.5 knuth.brownes.org knuth
cache
> </appendifnosuchline>
> <appendifnosuchline> 192.168.1.1 dantzig.brownes.org dantzig
> </appendifnosuchline>
> <appendifnosuchline> 192.168.1.7 godel.brownes.org godel
> </appendifnosuchline>
> </editfile>
> </editfiles>
>
> Mind you, the existing cfengine syntax _works_, which means that it
> would be likely to take some convincing to "force" anyone to move over
> to using an XML parser for this.
The cfengine does indeed cover much of the ground we need to cover.
And you have made a very insightful observation in that XML could be
used to describe in general what a software component requires. But I
do not think the right approach would be to simply write cfengine
syntax rules directly into the XML. Instead, why not render the XML
into cfengine rules?
What you need to do is simply identify the data structures that will
need to be referenced by the cfengine. Then use a translator to
produce the cfengine rules. So, in your example, those constructs such
as machine names, ip addresses, filenames, etc. that may vary from
system to system should instead be referenced by a XML variable.
These variables represent decision points in how the software component
should be rendered, and vary from machine to machine, and network to
network.
The values for these variables can be collected by prompting the user,
or as supplied by a separate XML description.
The question is, why use XML if I can just write the cfengine rules
myself?
In the middleware world, the importance of separating the business
rules (what your application does) from the data model (what actual
storage model [database, transaction processing layer, etc.] supports
those business rules) is kept apart. The presentation layer is also
kept separate.
This makes a great deal of sense. Developers cannot know what the
presentation layer is to be through time (phone, Web, Java, ATMs, some
future tech), and they should not hard code the storage model and
transport requirements, because they may change through time as well.
So to be able to reuse business rules when changes in platform and
implementation are assumed, the need to separate logic from these other
two layers is obvious.
We have (in the cfengine) the need for the same kind of separation.
The use of cfengine requires a large scripting base which can define
the installation and health of a collection of systems on a network.
The generation of these scripts is the hardest part of the cfengine
approach. I am not a big user of cfengine, but I am unaware of any
standard for distributing applications that allows them to simply "drop
into" cfengine scripts.
Do you think it would help if software were defined in XML abstractions
that could be combined and rendered into cfengine scripts in an
automated way? Or is there something about cfengine scripts that would
make this too difficult. In your XML example, the only problem I see
is that you hard coded IP addresses, machine names, directories, and
file names, some of which may need to vary if the description were to
be generalized. Some of the operations are pretty platform dependent,
but that I think is okay.
It is easier to have independent platform sections in the XML than to
try and generalize everything into one discription meaningful to all
platforms. (This observation seems to be repeatedly lost on many that
have posted in this thread)
Paul Snow
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
"XML is just another way to describe structured data.
If you don't like XML, substitute your own favorite
structured data format and structured rendering
technology. If you still feel you must knock XML,
make sure you are clear that your complaint is that
the statement that bothers you does so because no
structured data format can satisfy its requirements"
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.text.xml,comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: Linux, XML, and assalting Windows
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 16:28:25 GMT
In article <8ohnp2$9m2$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Bob Hauck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> > I don't think I said it was impossible. I think I said that it was
> > much more difficult that you seem to think it is. You are
describing
> > abstractions and just ignoring the nitty-gritty implementation
details
> > that make it complicated to actually do. If you think it is worth
what
> > might be years of effort, well, then you are free to start work. If
> > you come back in six months with a prototype that does a subset of
what
> > you want and it shows promise, then some folks might actually want
to
> > help you. That's how it works.
>
> I have noticed that Paul has not yet posted the concrete example of
the
> encoding for "touch" or "yes" to could be used for the meta installed
that
> he seems to be arguing for. Perhaps he is admitting that the details
are
> tricker than he tought when he glossed over them.
<touch>filex<touch/> or <touch filename="filex">
<yes/> or <question isInstalled="yes">
Of course you haven't really given me a context that makes these
encodings interesting in any way.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Free ISP's servicing Northern California?
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 16:30:23 GMT
Well, it worked for a few days and then
1nol won't let me log in???
Anybody got it to work consistantly over for
serveral weeks?
> >Any free ISP's servicing Northern California?
> >
> >I read the list at:
> >http://www.freedomlist.com/global/USA.php3
> >but did not find one in Northern Calif.
> >
> >freewwweb.com was the old one, but it is gone now.
> >Any suggestions?
>
> www.1nol.com (near bottom of freedomlist), is a widespread, but no
frills
> bannerless free ISP. Haven't tried their news. Windows setup is
> effortless using their software, but the secret to Linux ppp login is
> 'username@1nol' and 'xms' suffix on password (using pap-secrets).
> Webmail and pop3 use normal username and password. I haven't figured
out
> how to send mail though their smtp server (except via webmail).
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Gerald Batten)
Subject: X-Win install on an I810
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 18:43:23 GMT
Downloaded and installed the latest 4.x version of X, and it still
doesn't recognize the Intel 810 video chipset. any ideas?
Using RH6.2
Gerald.
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From: Myra Hager <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: default windows manager for x?
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 16:44:16 GMT
How can I change the default windows manager for X? I have a Redhat
6.2 server running Xfree 4.01. Right now I guess it is using TWM. I
looked at the xinitrc file and it says it is starting TWM and then 2
xterm windows, a clock, and a login screen. I want to use something
(anything) else. So how can i change it? I only want to change it for
the console login root. Thanks for any help.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: problem with es1370
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 16:43:09 GMT
Hi,
I have a problem with my sound card.
The device files `/dev/audio' and `/dev/sndstat' do not work. The
error messages are as follows:
tilt:~# cat /dev/sndstat
cat: /dev/sndstat: No such device
tilt:~# cat free-software-song.au > /dev/audio
<<< no answer; after a while I hit C-c >>>
tilt:~# cat free-software-song.au > /dev/audio1
<<< this device work but the sound is very noisy >>>
tilt:~# cat free-software-song.au > /dev/audio2
bash: /dev/audio2: No such device
tilt:~$ saytime
opening /dev/audio: Device or resource busy
Here is the full story. I use debian potato with kernel version
2.2.17. Since I am not sure about the type of sound card I use
`lspci -n' and I get
00:0b.0 Class 0401: 1274:5000 (rev 01)
so I think it should be an "Ensoniq AudioPCI (ES1370)" as explained in
the help of the linux configuration menu.
I compiled and installed a new kernel with the appropriate module
compiled in. During the boot, the kernel issue the messages
es1370: version v0.31 time 01:13:13 Aug 25 2000
es1370: found adapter at io 0xec00 irq 10
es1370: features: joystick on, line in, mic impedance 0
so I think the soundcard is properly recognized by the kernel, but the
devices do not work as explained before.
I tried to work around by moving /dev/audio in /dev/audio0 and
soft-linking /dev/audio1 to /dev/audio but this does not work. For
instance, the program `saytime' buzzes quickly and exit.
What is wrong?
Any help appreciated.
Marco Maggesi
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher W. Aiken)
Subject: Re: Linux Bargain at CompUSA!
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 17:08:56 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Wed, 30 Aug 2000 14:46:46 GMT, Rod Smith wrote:
->In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
-> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Rick) writes:
[SNIP]
->Yeah, Corel installs LILO in the MBR, without asking permission. What's
->worse, Corel 1.2 *RE*-installs LILO this way on every boot or shutdown
->or some such. Even if you edit /etc/lilo.conf to install LILO elsewhere,
->the system trashes the MBR every time. That's extraordinarily annoying.
->
Sounds like a M$ (sorry...) thing.
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Christopher W. Aiken, Scenery Hill, Pa, USA
chris at cwaiken dot com, www.cwaiken.com
Preferred O/S: FreeBSD 4.0
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Eric Y. Chang)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: [Q] How to compile kernel in Debian / Storm
Date: 30 Aug 2000 17:19:00 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Jerome Mrozak ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
...
: "make config", but with no success (most advice said to look in
: /usr/src/linux, which didn't exist in my Stormix "install everything"
: installation).
For Debian, it is not in there. It is in /usr/src/kernel*. I am
currently writing a HOW-TO, and there is a section on kernel building.
Eric
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From: D G <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: DHCP and resolv.conf
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 10:22:35 -0700
Marc Andre Selig wrote:
>
> D G <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > I have set up my workstation to use DHCP. I also have a valid
> > resolv.conf file. Unfortunately, everytime my workstation gets an IP
> > using DHCP, it clobbers the resolv.conf file. How do I keep it from
> > doing this? What script is modifying this file?
> >
> > I'm using RedHat 6.2.
>
> RH 6.2 uses pump as its DHCP client. In its default configuration,
> pump will re-write your resolv.conf based on what the DHCP server
> tells it. You can prevent this by using the nodns option in
> /etc/pump.conf:
>
> device eth0 {
> nodns
> }
>
> This is documented in pump(8).
That solved it! Thanks!
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DG
e-mail is: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: hard drive partition table messed up!
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 17:24:13 GMT
What version of NT, and what service pack? I experienced the
same problem w/ NT: install huge HD, NT only saw 2 GB of it until I
installed SP 4.
BTW, I installed another HD in the machine yesterday; getting
ready to do a Linux/NT dual boot. Should be fun.
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Leonard Evens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> > Hello all, I was trying to format my 8GB Maxtor drive the other
day
> > with Windows NT 4.0 so that I can free up some space for
linux. The
> > whole drive had NT before, so I used the NT 4.0 boot disk to
boot up and
> > delete the old partition and then create a new smaller one,
3GB. The
> > setup then proceed to format the smaller partition for NTFS.
Half way
> > through the power to the PC was accidentally disconnected.
So then I
> > redo the process, but now the NT setup thinks that the whole
drive is
> > only 3GB, Darn!!!
[massive snip]
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Faculty Resource Center
The University of Alabama
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Hal Sadofsky)
Subject: modules not loading at boot time, Redhat 5.1
Date: 30 Aug 2000 17:28:35 GMT
I don't know if anyone else has seen this. I run a cluster of linux
machines running redhat 5.1 (yes, I know it is way old, but we keep up
with the updates), kernel 2.0.35 (mostly).
The machines are almost always on, and are rarely rebooted. (For example,
the one I'm logged into at the moment has been up for 238 days.) In the
past few months I've had to reboot a couple of the machines for various
reasons, and have noticed that modules are not being loaded properly at
boot time.
It seems that the bit of script in rc.sysinit that reads /proc/version to
find out which kernel is running is not succesfully matching that
against the directory /lib/modules/2.0.35 (or whichever kernel it is).
That bit of script looks for files /lib/modules/2.0.*/.rhkmvtag to see if
any of them match the output from cat /proc/version, and then chooses the
matching one to be the preferred modules. It is failing since there
_are no_ .rhkmvtag files in /lib/modules/2.0.*/.
It used to work (well, modules used to be loaded at boot time, and the
link from /lib/modules/preferred to the appropriate directory used to
be made at boot time.
The question is, what happened? I know I didn't go and accidentally
remove all .rhkmvtag files from 6 machines! But I don't know who or
what _creates_ the .rhkmvtag files in the first place. Maybe there is
a malfunction there? Or maybe one of the updates I installed deleted
those files somewhere along the way. It is difficult to know when
this first happened since I reboot so rarely.
I already recreated those files by switching to /lib/modules/2.0.35
and typing
cat /proc/modules > .rhkmvtag
so maybe that will solve my problem. But I'm suspicious that whatever
made the files dissappear in the first place will make them go away
again.
Has anyone else seen this? Do you understand it?
thanks, Hal Sadofsky
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From: "Brian Bennett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux and MS Server2000 on one HD
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 13:34:33 -0400
Just the short answer - I'm doing the same thing. 2000 and Linux. 2000
doesn't get booted much, I admit.
Install 2000 Server first. Install Linux last. Let Linux install LILO,
rearrange the labels if you wish. I don't know if this is universal or not,
but I can hit <tab> at LILO's boot screen and get a listing of the bootable
partitions / options (This is with Mandrake 7.1)
"Stephan J" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:8oh7gp$d8q$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Hi all,
>
> Can somebody give me the definitive answer on how to have 2 OS on the one
> hard disk. I wish to have a partition for Linux (say 3GB) and one for MS
> Server 2000( about 3 GB). Which OS should I install first and where?
>
> Please help!
>
> --
> Stephan J
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
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From: D G <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Question about Red Hat Linux 6.2
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 10:29:16 -0700
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> I have a Red Hat Linux 6.2 CD.When I am trying to install by bootable
> CD-ROM then the installation start in text mode rather than in graphics
> mode.I visit www.redhat.com/hardware then i know that my Video adapter
> or video card and mouse is not supported by Red Hat Linux 6.2.Then i
> start installation in expert mode then the installation say that please
> insert the drivers disk.
> My questions are this :
> How can i make drivers disk?
> is there any other way to start the installation in graphics mode?
I don't know how to create one (or find one), but I always select "skip"
or "cancel" or whatever and ignore it. I haven't had any problems.
Graphical mode comes up a little later on in the install.
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DG
e-mail is: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: D G <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: X-Win install on an I810
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 10:35:01 -0700
Gerald Batten wrote:
>
> Downloaded and installed the latest 4.x version of X, and it still
> doesn't recognize the Intel 810 video chipset. any ideas?
It recognized fine for me. Maybe you need the new agpgart module? It
should come with the 2.2.16-3 or 2.2.14-12 kernels in RedHat. The
2.3.99+ or 2.4 kernels will give you better results though.
Although it recognized my card fine, I had problems: everywhere the
mouse would go, the screen would get distorted.
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DG
e-mail is: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Martin Racette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Installing Mandrake on top of Caldera ?
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,alt.os.linux.mandrake,comp.os.linux.misc
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 17:51:40 GMT
Hi guys,
I would like to know if it is possible to install Mandrake 7.1 without=20
erasing Caldera, I mean replacing the OS but not losing all the=20
information was already written to disk
I don't have any possiblity to move my /home directory to any other=20
part of the disk(s)
Thank you in advance
Merci a l'avance
Martin
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From: gabriele zugliani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: mergemem patch on 2.2.17pre19
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 19:21:36 +0200
hi all
is anyone using this combination?
t.i.a.
ciao, gabriele.
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