Linux-Setup Digest #619, Volume #19              Thu, 14 Sep 00 00:13:10 EDT

Contents:
  Re: slow connecting via ftp (Colin Watson)
  Re: RFH: Compiling tulip driver under Corel Linux 2nd Edition (Colin Watson)
  Re: fs type swap not supported by kernel (ljb)
  Re: HELP logon as root ("philo")
  Re: Partition size limit? (Colin Watson)
  Can't Gnome to work after install ("Rollin Webb")
  Please help me for a X11 strange problem ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
  Help with linux and win 98 ICS!? ("Steve")
  Re: IRQ timeout errors on hdb - RH 6.2 (David Efflandt)
  Re: Modem dialin and PPP (David Efflandt)
  Re: aic7xxx 2.4.0 kernel module...gone (Leonard Evens)
  More help. ("Steve")
  RedHat 6.2 PCMCIA SCSI broken (Roger Davis)
  Re: New install - root password won't stick (noyb)
  LILO install problem ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
  Re: Installing Win98, Win2000 and Linux on one PC?! ("Jeff Thurston")
  Re: help! ... ? (David Efflandt)
  Re: Wierd Gnome problem - Desktop Icons disappear in some WMs ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
  soundcard not working ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
  Upgrade RH 5.2 to MDK 7.1 w/o DOS, Floppy or CDROM???? (Chris Embree)
  C compiler cannot create executables (Andrew Overholt)
  $$$$�Q�ȿ� ("lampeberger41")

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Colin Watson)
Subject: Re: slow connecting via ftp
Date: 14 Sep 2000 01:06:48 GMT

Greg James <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Colin Watson wrote:
>> In a pinch, you could make TCP-wrappers be less paranoid, but (a) that's
>> probably not a good idea unless you have a better reason for it, and (b)
>> there may be something else doing DNS lookups as well, like your FTP
>> daemon. The right solution is to fix your DNS. Does /etc/resolv.conf
>> point to the right place, and are DNS lookups otherwise reasonably
>> quick? Can you perform a reverse lookup on the IP address of the host
>> you're connecting from (try, say, 'host 192.168.1.1' or whatever the
>> address is) in a sensible amount of time?
>
>DNS is quick. I've even tried ftp'ing the IP address directly and still get
>the delay. Same delay with telnet.

I don't mean that way round; I mean that DNS lookups of the hostname and
IP address of the computer you're connecting *from* might be broken, not
the computing you're connecting *to* ...

-- 
Colin Watson                                     [[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
"I still remember the way that you laughed / When you pushed me down
 that elevator shaft" - "You Don't Love Me Anymore", Weird Al Yankovic

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Colin Watson)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux.corel
Subject: Re: RFH: Compiling tulip driver under Corel Linux 2nd Edition
Date: 14 Sep 2000 01:09:56 GMT

Gary Dolan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I had the same problem, and found modversions.h in
>kernel-headers-2.2.17 but not in the original kernel-source-2.2.17
>until I compiled the kernel. By that time I had the card running. I
>also found that the tulip driver included in the 2.2.17 binary
>also worked with that card. Don't know about Corel specifically,
>however.

That's true for Red Hat et al, yes. On Debian the kernel-source-x.x.x
packages contain the full source, including headers, and since Corel's
Debian-based I reckoned it would be the same for them?

Of course, I normally just grab source tarballs from kernel.org or
sunsite or somewhere anyway rather than bothering with kernel source
packages :)

-- 
Colin Watson                                     [[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
"Oh baby you're the only thing in this whole world / That's pure and
 good and bright / And wherever you are and wherever you go / There's
 always gonna be some light" - Meat Loaf, "Bat Out Of Hell"

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (ljb)
Subject: Re: fs type swap not supported by kernel
Date: 14 Sep 2000 01:15:03 GMT

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>Tried putting "swap" instead of 'none' in the mount point column
>in fstab, as you suggested, - same problem. What it is objecting to is
>not the mount point, but the fs type swap

You aren't trying to use mount, are you? Although the swap entry is
in fstab, it should be skipped over by mount -a, and only processed
by swapon. There is no fs type 'swap', and mount should ignore that
line.

Can you activate the swap partion with "swapon /dev/whatever"?
If not, ignore fstab and fix the partion. (Did you set the type with
fdisk? Did you run mkswap on it?)

If you can activate it with swapon, turn it off with swapoff, then try
"swapon -a" and see if that works; if not then something is probably
wrong with your fstab. If you get an error during boot from mount -a,
on the swap line, then again something is probably wrong with fstab.

Hope these steps help you figure it out...

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From: "philo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux.mandrake
Subject: Re: HELP logon as root
Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 20:15:35 -0500


just log in as single user...
at lilo type linux 1   or linux single



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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Colin Watson)
Subject: Re: Partition size limit?
Date: 14 Sep 2000 01:16:02 GMT

David marshall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>"Lonni J. Friedman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> > Does Linux has a partition size limit like DOS' 1024M limit, or can
>> > I create larger partitions?
>>
>> LILO HAD a limitation of 1024 cylinders for the bootable OS.  Newer
>> versions of LILO & GRUB no longer have such limitations.  Your BIOS
>> may be older and might have problems.
>
>I recently went thru this with RH6.2. I found that the LILO provided
>needed to find its OS MBR within the first 8GB.

Yes, Red Hat 6.2's LILO is version 21 (well, 0.21-15, but I assume the
0. is spurious and the -15 is a RH package revision number). 21.3 and
above have lost the 1024 cylinder limit.

-- 
Colin Watson                                     [[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
"This is the only networking technology
 that earns frequent flyer miles." - RFC 2549

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From: "Rollin Webb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Can't Gnome to work after install
Date: 14 Sep 2000 01:41:33 GMT

While installing RH 6.2 I selected the non-GUI login.  Now that the machine
is booting I can't figure out how to start gnome.

How do I initialize the GUI login interface?
How do I bring up gnome w/o the GUI?

Thanks in advance!

Rollin




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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Please help me for a X11 strange problem
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 01:42:50 GMT

Hi,

I have a strange problem for start X. When i'm starting X I have a
screen with a working mouse but at the console it put:

X11TransSocketOpen: socket () failed for local
X11TransSocketOpenLOTSClient unable to open socket for local
X11TransSocketOpen: transport open failed dor local/linux(:)

If I use XF86Setup it's the same things but a task rest open and this
text is written at the end: 7 allowMouseOpenFail -xf8

I tried two mouse: logiteck 3 button and a microsoft 2 button.

The kernel detect a serial port at 3F8 irq 4 (com1)

My video card is a s3 trio64v+

I tried the XF86_svga and S3 server.

I tried to change the onboard serial port for a serial card and it's
the same thing.

With xwmconfig I chose kde nad fwm95, it's the same thing.

Please can you help me!!! Send it by email if possible at
[EMAIL PROTECTED]




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From: "Steve" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Help with linux and win 98 ICS!?
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 02:14:26 GMT

I finally got linux up and running good. I am having a problem trying to
access the internet. My linux box is behing a win 98 machine running ICS.
Can someone please tell me how to configure my linux so that it recognizes
and uses the ICS function on win 98? I am still very new to linux and will
probably need more help in the future.

Thanks
Steve



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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David Efflandt)
Crossposted-To: 
comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.questions,comp.os.linux.redhat,linux.redhat.install,linux.redhat.misc
Subject: Re: IRQ timeout errors on hdb - RH 6.2
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 02:19:56 +0000 (UTC)
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

On Wed, 13 Sep 2000 10:40:51 GMT, Vinson Armstead <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>I have RH 6.2 running on a system with two IDE hard drives connected as
>master/slave to the primary IDE controller on my motherboard.
>
>I recently began seeing this message in my logs and it seems to me that my
>hdb device maybe "heading from that big pile of computer equipment in the
>sky" (about to crash)
>
>Can anyone provide some insight?
>
>kernel: hdb: irq timeout: status=0xd0 { Busy }
>kernel: ide0: reset: success
>kernel: hdb: read_intr: status=0x79 { DriveReady DeviceFault SeekComplete
>DataRequest Error }
>kernel: hdb: read_intr: error=0x10 { SectorIdNotFound}, LBAsect=196685,
>sector=131614
>kernel: ide0: reset: success
>kernel: hdb: irq timeout: status=0xd0 { Busy }
>kernel: ide0: reset: success
>
>If so, then what is the best way to replace the hdb without re-installing RH
>6.2?

Here's a thought.  I was getting the same lost interrupt errors on hdc
that I use for Linux a couple of times during the week and last Sunday got
so bad that it locked while attempting shutdown.  This is the last of the
log at the point is stalled:

Sep  3 09:12:46 efflandt kernel: hdc: lost interrupt 
Sep  3 09:12:46 efflandt kernel: hdc: read_intr: status=0x50 { DriveReady
SeekComplete } 
Sep  3 09:12:56 efflandt kernel: hdc: lost interrupt 
Sep  3 09:12:56 efflandt kernel: hdc: read_intr: status=0x50 { DriveReady
SeekComplete } 
Sep  3 09:13:07 efflandt kernel: hdc: lost interrupt 
Sep  3 09:13:38 efflandt last message repeated 3 times
Sep  3 09:13:38 efflandt kernel: hdc: read_intr: status=0x00 { } 

In the process of swapping out my hdb from a Win95 drive to one with an
older Linux version, I noticed that the area between my plastic case and
the grill in front of my inlet fan was totally packed with lint.  I
removed the front of the case and all of the lint, vacuumed out the rest
of the case and put it back together.

I e2fsck'd hdc from another drive, checked for badblocks (none), backed up
some essential files to another drive, and rebooted to hdc with nothing
lost and no problems since then.

This is an old P100 box running an Evergreen Spectra400 (K6-2/400) 24/7
crunching SETI work units at 100% cpu load.  Apparently the total lack of
inlet air (heat) was causing the lost interrupts, and I have not seen a
lost interrupt since I cleared that up.

-- 
David Efflandt  [EMAIL PROTECTED]  http://www.de-srv.com/
http://www.autox.chicago.il.us/  http://www.berniesfloral.net/
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David Efflandt)
Subject: Re: Modem dialin and PPP
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 02:24:53 +0000 (UTC)
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

On Wed, 13 Sep 2000 16:17:27 -0500, David Lewis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Is it possible to set up my modem to allow both
>terminal dialin - giving the user a log in prompt -
>or a PPP connection if they call in with Windows
>DUN?
>
>I've never setup incoming PPP before, only outgoing.

In a word 'mgetty'.  But make sure that you use the same /dev/ttyS# for
mgetty and dialout (NOT /dev/modem) or the lock files will not work
properly.  With lockfiles working correctly, mgetty will wait if it sees
the device in use.  Don't use +pap or require-pap options, since that
asks the other machine to authenticate itself (Windows doesn't do that).
The auth and login pppd options take care of user authentication.

-- 
David Efflandt  [EMAIL PROTECTED]  http://www.de-srv.com/
http://www.autox.chicago.il.us/  http://www.berniesfloral.net/
http://hammer.prohosting.com/~cgi-wiz/  http://cgi-help.virtualave.net/


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From: Leonard Evens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: aic7xxx 2.4.0 kernel module...gone
Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 21:14:31 -0500

Darren Welson wrote:
> 
> Every time I recompile 2.4.0-test 6,7, and 8 kernel, I cannot seem to
> successfully load the AIC7XXX module, or at least have it made.  Anyone know
> how I can check to make sure I am actually making this module, or find a way
> I can to compile it into the kernel?  I have added it as a module and IN the
> kernel in all three test versions as a low-level SCSI option, but what am I
> missing?
> 
> darren

I don't understand this thread.  We've been using scisi drives with
that module since 2.0.XX kernels.  They are modules for the
generic kernel.  Of course you have to have an appropriate entry
in /etc/conf.modules, and in order to boot you need an initrd
statement (and you must have run mkinitrd).  Way back under
RH4.2, we went to the trouble of making kernels with SCSI
support built in but we haven't bothered doing that since
RH5.X.
-- 

Leonard Evens      [EMAIL PROTECTED]      847-491-5537
Dept. of Mathematics, Northwestern Univ., Evanston, IL 60208

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From: "Steve" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: More help.
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 02:30:59 GMT

Where can I get my hands on these how-to files?

Steve



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From: Roger Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: RedHat 6.2 PCMCIA SCSI broken
Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 16:47:20 -1000

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I just upgraded my Dell I7500 laptop from RedHat 6.1 to 6.2
(kernel 2.2.14), and my PCMCIA SCSI tape drive is no longer visible.
I am using an Adaptec SlimSCSI 1480 PCMCIA card connected to an
Exabyte Eliant 820 8mm tape drive. (Yes, the SCSI bus is terminated
and I am supplying termination power to the bus via a special
Granite Digital terminator with an external power connection.)
This is the same hardware (including cabling) that worked fine
under RedHat 6.1. There are no other SCSI devices on the bus.
I just tested the tape drive on a Solaris system and it is working.

According to /var/log/messages the PCMCIA card is recognized,
but the tape drive is not visible:

Sep 13 06:18:17 ctrobot kernel: apa1480_attach(bus 35, function 0)
Sep 13 06:18:17 ctrobot kernel: aic7xxx: <Adaptec PCMCIA SCSI controller> at PCI 35/0/0
Sep 13 06:18:17 ctrobot kernel: aic7xxx: I/O ports already in use, ignoring.
Sep 13 06:18:17 ctrobot kernel: apa1480_cs: no SCSI devices found
Sep 13 06:18:17 ctrobot kernel: scsi : 0 hosts.
Sep 13 06:18:17 ctrobot cardmgr[491]: get dev info on socket 1 failed: No such device

Here's output from 'cardctl ident'

Socket 0:
  product info: "3Com Corporation", "3CCFE575CT", "LAN Cardbus Card", "004"
  manfid: 0x0101, 0x5257
  function: 6 (network)
Socket 1:
  product info: "Adaptec", "APA-1480 SCSI Host Adapter", "", ""
  manfid: 0x012f, 0xcb01
  function: 8 (SCSI)

I rummaged through the HOWTOs and found something about possibly needing to
reconfigure the kernel to make the SCSI tape driver not a module, so I did
that (and the same for the aic7xxx driver as well), but that doesn't help.
(BTW, when I rebuilt the kernel PCMCIA completely stopped working because
the kernel could not locate /lib/modules/my_kernel/pcmcia. Why wasn't that
directory created by the build? I worked around it by symlinking to
/lib/modules/old_kernel/pcmcia so PCMCIA works again, but I'd like to make
sure things are done right by the kernel build.)

I don't remember having to do any of this stuff under 6.1 to get my tape
drive to work. Does anyone know what the problem is here?

Thanks!

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From: noyb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: New install - root password won't stick
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 02:54:22 GMT

On Thu, 14 Sep 2000 03:00:57 +0200, Rasmus B�g Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:


 
>
>Is there any chance, that you are logging in with telnet? Telnet logins by
>root are not allowed for security reasons.
>
>Also - have you tried to set the password afterwards? That is, 'passwd'
>when you're logged in as root.
>
>Rasmus B. Hansen
>
>---
>He has his own opinions
>- just like the others.
>                                  -- Burnin' Red Ivanhoe


No, I am not logging in with telnet.

Yes, I have tried to reset the password.  It appears to "take"
However, it then exhibits the same behavior.

I just re-installed the system in a slightly different way
but it's doing the same thing.


-- 
Larry Alkoff N2LA
Reply to:  larryalk at mindspring dot com

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: LILO install problem
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 02:56:53 GMT

Im trying to get a dual boot win98 and linux going but I cant get lilo to
work..  Windows is on the first hard drive and linux on the second.  I
installed lilo to the mbr and whenever I boot up it just spits out a bunch of
0s and 1s.  I've had it running fine when linux was on the first hard drive
but not on the second..  Thanks in advance for any help.


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From: "Jeff Thurston" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: 
comp.os.linux.development.system,alt.os.linux,microsoft.public.win2000.applications
Subject: Re: Installing Win98, Win2000 and Linux on one PC?!
Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 22:04:13 -0500

I have four OS on my machine through the use of VMWare, which creates
virtual machines within the "host" operating system. This stuff is GREAT!
Check it out:  http://www.vmware.com.




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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David Efflandt)
Subject: Re: help! ... ?
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 03:23:44 +0000 (UTC)
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

On Thu, 14 Sep 2000 03:31:30 +1000, holly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I have recently installed linux and bsd, and I have them + windows
>working fine, except for one (fairly major) thing -
>
>How on Earth do I write a dialup script, by hand?
>
>Where is it, what do I write in it etc. - eek! I've been using gui's for so
>long now I've gone soft in the head. ; )
>
>Sorry for such a dumb question, but any answer will be gratefully utilised. I
>like reading books, so if anyone can suggest one or two, that'd be great in
>itself.

For Linux, you may have examples of ppp-on, ppp-off, ppp-on-dialer or
redialer in /usr/doc/ppp-<version>/scripts.  ppp-on typically uses
ppp-on-dialer to dial a single number, or you can modify ppp-on to use
redialer instead to try a bunch of phone numbers.  If you want normal
users to be able to bring up a connection, pppd would need to be suid
root (4755 or maybe 4750 depending upon who you want to give permission).

For FreeBSD userppp is easier than pppd, but I forget what everything
is called, because I used that partition when I first installed RH 6.1.
But I will be installing FreeBSD 4 this weekend.

>I often turn to the internet for info, so not being able to access it on all
>three os's really frustrates and limits me.

If you cannot even get Windows connected, then maybe you don't have enough
information (wrong password or nameservers?).  You normally don't even
need a script for Windows, and for other OS's you can usually cut your
chat script short after it gets CONNECT, and simply use pap authentication
(pap-secrets).  But do not include anything like require-pap or +pap,
since that would ask your ISP to authenticate itself.  In fact you might
need to use the 'noauth' pppd option to stop pppd from trying to
authenticate the remote IP.

-- 
David Efflandt  [EMAIL PROTECTED]  http://www.de-srv.com/
http://www.autox.chicago.il.us/  http://www.berniesfloral.net/
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc,alt.os.linux.mandrake
Subject: Re: Wierd Gnome problem - Desktop Icons disappear in some WMs
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 03:18:26 GMT

I too have a similar problem.  It seems as if icewm conflicts with how
gmc works with the root window, atleast with some configurations.
Initially I had a pre-packaged install of Mandrake7.1 running gnome and
icewm together just fine.  Then I upgraded my gnome install with the
rpms provided by helixcode.com.  Since then icewm and gnome haven't been
able to play nice any more.  If anyone know how to resolve this
conflict, id be happy to know.

--yeuhi

> I can add new icons) but my old icons seem to simple cease to exist.
> They all reappear for a split second while I switch WMs, but after
> hitting ice once they never work again in any other WM including
> Sawmill.  If I open the desktop folder and try to drag an icon to the
> desktop, I get a message somewhere along the lines of the file already
> exists there or something like that (those who useGNOME should know
what


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: soundcard not working
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 03:31:44 GMT

I have a C-Media Electronics Inc CMI8338 soundcard.  It is supported and
detected just fine but whenever I try to play mp3s, it screws up.  In some
players, like kmpg, it will play certain songs just fine while others don't
play at all.  Some play really fast (like 3x regular speed) while others are
like 3x slower and others just dont play at all.  I tried freeamp and it
wouldnt play any songs at all.  In kmpg it will play some songs but then
after the second song it screws up and locks up the program.  Any
suggestions?  Thanx


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From: Chris Embree <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Upgrade RH 5.2 to MDK 7.1 w/o DOS, Floppy or CDROM????
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 03:38:04 GMT

I have a RH 5.2 server running that I would like to upgrade to Mandrake
7.1.   The box does not have a floppy drive or a CDROM Drive.  My only
bootable device is the HD.  I have a 3 gig partition ready to install
and a copy of the Mandrake directory on the running system.  I'd like to
be able to run the install via Telnet if anyone has a good idea of how
to do that.  I'd really like to be able to just upgrade my running
system.

My current thoughts go like this:  I create a small partition in free
space and dd the HardDrive boot diskette to it.  The modify lilo.conf
and make that partition a boot option.  Boot to the new diskette image
partition and install normally.  Should (will) this work?

Hmmm...Should I be able to boot to this new diskette partition and
upgrade over my 5.2 version...?

Ideas would be appreciated.

Chris Embree

--
"Who do you say I am?" -- Jesus of Nazareth



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From: Andrew Overholt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: C compiler cannot create executables
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 03:57:25 GMT

Hi,

I'm trying to get my minimally-installed Debian system (486, 8MB, 300MB,
2.0.38) to run rp-pppoe but I can't install it because it says that my C
compiler cannot create exectuables.  I've done some searches for this but none
of the proposed solutions help me.  All I want this system to do is run IP Masq
yet I'm having a really hard time getting it to work due to problems with too
little memory (can I increase my swap size?), super-slow dselect, and confusing
dselect.  

Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks,

Andrew

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