Linux-Setup Digest #619, Volume #20 Mon, 12 Feb 01 21:13:07 EST
Contents:
Linksys- Macronix 98715...how to get these to work? (Six)
Run two identical devices @ same time? (Six)
Re: Run two identical devices @ same time?
Re: Kernel compile fails in RH7 -- weird error (Paul Kimoto)
Re: Mail & News Clients ("Peter T. Breuer")
Re: Downgrading to Mandrake 7.2 - did Linux become a windoze clone? (Jim Broughton)
Re: authentication problems... ("Peter T. Breuer")
Re: Linksys- Macronix 98715...how to get these to work? (Paul Lew)
Re: Downgrading to Mandrake 7.2 - did Linux become a windoze clone? ("Mart van de
Wege")
CD ROM problem (Alan Claunch)
Re: Multiboot Win2k and linux ("Costas Gavardinas")
Re: Turbolinux graphical login kills my keyboard (linux newbie) ("Jason Ross")
Re: Any good officesuite like Microsoft Office for Linux (no)
Re: Downgrading to Mandrake 7.2 - did Linux become a windoze clone? (Bit Twister)
Re: Downgrading to Mandrake 7.2 - did Linux become a windoze clone? (*Rotten_168*)
How do I install a simple dot matrix printer? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Multiboot Win2k and linux (Marc Ulrich)
Re: mounting udf discs as nonroot (Hajoma)
Re: /usr/src/linux??? ("Richard Hamilton")
Re: /usr/src/linux??? ("Gene Heskett")
Re: /usr/src/linux??? ("Gene Heskett")
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From: Six <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Linksys- Macronix 98715...how to get these to work?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 23:10:32 GMT
Has anyone gotten these ethernet cards to work? I tried Mandrake 7.2,
Redhat Fisher and 7.0, Suse 7.0. None of them work. I even tried the
tulip driver off scyth.com?(I forgot the spelling), and I get a wide
variety of errors, like wrong kernel version, etc. Just loaded up
Redhat, and it refuses to even recognize the card, like it's not
installed. Help!
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From: Six <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Run two identical devices @ same time?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 23:12:56 GMT
Can I run 2 identical devices under linux? Like 2 SB live cards, 2
usb radios, etc? Of course, I'd like to control each 1 independent of
the other.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Subject: Re: Run two identical devices @ same time?
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 23:15:50 GMT
On Mon, 12 Feb 2001 23:12:56 GMT, Six <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Can I run 2 identical devices under linux? Like 2 SB live cards, 2
>usb radios, etc? Of course, I'd like to control each 1 independent of
>the other.
Yes. You'll need separate settings for each (addr, irq, dma, etc.)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul Kimoto)
Subject: Re: Kernel compile fails in RH7 -- weird error
Date: 12 Feb 2001 18:29:32 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, David Cecere wrote:
> make[1]: as86: Command not found
You need to install the as86(1) program. It is in a package usually
called "bin86" or "dev86".
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From: "Peter T. Breuer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Mail & News Clients
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 23:36:06 GMT
Keith O'Connell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> clients and newsreaders is. I am seeing pine, elm, tin, rn and a host of
> others, but what is generally held to be the market leader in these
> fields. I am looking for stable cli programs that can be happy in an X
> window, and will let me define my editor of choice
> What do the panel think?
tin.
Some people love slrn. Never could make head nor tail of it.
Peter
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From: Jim Broughton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Downgrading to Mandrake 7.2 - did Linux become a windoze clone?
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 23:37:57 GMT
Zsolt Zsoldos wrote:
> Hi All,
>
(BIG SNIP)
> Now my rant:
> A lot of RPM packages, that I could download from the net were packaged
> with a newer version of RPM and the one included in Mandrake 7.1 could not
> handle them. Funny, that even the new version of 'rpm' was packed with
> that, so I've seen no way to get around this problem other than upgrade
> to 7.2 which had a newer rpm in it. OK, I bought Mandrake "COMPLETE"
> the 4CD version from Macmillan Software. Compared to my previous 2CD
> version 7.1. it is rather incomplete!
I too ran into the RPM upgrade problem with my server box and redhat 6.1.
Luckily my personal box runs slackware 7.1. Rpm and linuxconf are the reasons
I went to slackware.
> 1. Upgrade from 7.1 to 7.2 via the install CD 'upgrade' option does not work.
snip
> 2. Installing 'on top' of 7.1 without that being wiped out gets into an
snip
> 3. OK, usable state, package manager crazy, basic things (like terminals)
snip
> 4. Fortunately, some of these are on the CDs, so I could install them AFTER
snip
> 5. Some of the missing packages are not even on the CDs, e.g. cvs does not
> come
snip
Sorry I know nothing of this. Although recent complaints from mandrake users on
this and other NG's would make me think real hard before taking on one of their
distro's.
> In conclusion: Mandrake 7.2 provides a very flashy install and boot system,
This seems to echo what most mandrake users have to say. Install is a breeze
until you actualy try to do something. Try debian first if that does not do the
trick get slackware 7.1 or 7.2 if 7.2 is out yet.
> Is this a new trend or I just picked the wrong distribution ?
>
Seems as though you just may have picked a bad distro for development.
Stay far away from redhat these days. At least till they get there act together
which at this point seems like it may take them to 7.2 to get it right.
I like others perfer a more classic style system which is why I chose
slackware.
I do not mind getting my hands dirty with the configuration files. (in fact with
slackware its just too damn easy. All the configuration files are commented up
the wazoo making it easy to make changes.) The init files are in bsd style.
Debian has the apt-get thingy for easy upgrades going for it although they tend
to use older kernels (they call it their stable branch) I call it behind the
times. (you can use a devel branch if you wish which has a newer though still
not the most recent kernel)
> Have a good day,
You too. Sorry your having problems.
--
Jim Broughton slackware gnu/linux user.
(The AmigaOS now there was an OS!)
If Sense were common everyone would have it!
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From: "Peter T. Breuer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: authentication problems...
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 00:24:23 +0100
Keith Rhodes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> place... I've got files with names like --help that I can't delete! If I
> try rm --help, of course I just get the usage for rm. But I can't find
Try the unix faq. Or just try thinking about it ONE SECOND longer ...
> the right quotes to protect it...
They don't "protect" it. There is no interpretation for the shell to
perforn.
> rm '--help'
> rm "--help"
> Nothing works! So I tried gmc, but I get:
What's gmc?
Peter
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul Lew)
Subject: Re: Linksys- Macronix 98715...how to get these to work?
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 23:54:38 GMT
On Mon, 12 Feb 2001, Six <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Has anyone gotten these ethernet cards to work? I tried Mandrake 7.2,
>Redhat Fisher and 7.0, Suse 7.0. None of them work. I even tried the
>tulip driver off scyth.com?(I forgot the spelling), and I get a wide
>variety of errors, like wrong kernel version, etc. Just loaded up
>Redhat, and it refuses to even recognize the card, like it's not
>installed. Help!
Not much help but I do have the NDC version of the Macronix 98715 working
in SuSE 6.3 after getting the 0.91g drivers; also working with the
2.4.x kernels with the supplied drivers.
Linksys must have done some "extra" stuff.....
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From: "Mart van de Wege" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Downgrading to Mandrake 7.2 - did Linux become a windoze clone?
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 00:49:41 +0100
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Well,
It has been pointed out by various people that LM 7.2, while
cutting edge, is rather flaky. Also the McMillan version has
always been incomplete (your type of complaints were raised about 7.0 as
well). As several other people have pointed out, If you are an
experienced user, try Debian! It won't autodetect anything on
install, but that's just about it's only weakness. If you choose
to upgrade to testing or unstable, you will sacrifice some (or a
lot of) stability, but will be as cutting edge as LM7.2, and it
does come with just about everything you need.
Mart
--
Happily running Debian, posting with Pan
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From: Alan Claunch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: CD ROM problem
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 19:07:00 -0500
I'm running SuSE 7.0 with KDE2 and kernel 2.4.0. I have a Matshita DVD and
a Ricoh 7040A CD-R/RW. Both are ATAPI and when the kernel is compiled for
IDE CDROM support, both will play CDs and are readable/mountable. However,
CD writing requires SCSI emulation and the only way I have been able to
implement that is by not compiling in IDE CDROM support in the kernel and
enabling SCSI emulation. Now my drives are seen as SCSI devices, they will
configure under XCDRoast (haven't gotten to burning a CD yet) but I cannot
get CDs to play using kscd. The player just sits there and none of the
controls work. Do I need a different player or is something else wrong with
the configuration?
Thanks
Alan Claunch
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From: "Costas Gavardinas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,alt.os.linux.suse,comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Multiboot Win2k and linux
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 02:07:29 +0200
The problem is the following: Linux is installed in a secondary partition
which lies beyond the 1024 cylinder. When I ask YaST to configure LiLo to
run from the root partition I get an error.
Is there a way to overcome this problem and to enable Linux booting from the
NT Loader?
Thank you again!
"Costas Gavardinas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:969c2d$3125$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> I have Linux installed in the secondary partition of my first hard disk. I
> also have installed Windows 2000 pro and win98. I am using the Win2k boot
> selector for windows and I boot linux from a boot disk. Is there perhaps a
> way to integrate a "Linux" option to the win2k boot menu, so that I don't
> have to use a boot disk. Thank you for your help!
>
>
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From: "Jason Ross" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Re: Turbolinux graphical login kills my keyboard (linux newbie)
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 00:24:58 -0000
Harold
Thanks - I'll have another go after I reinstall it. I'm sure it'll be worth
it in the end.
Jason Ross
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (no)
Date: 13 Feb 2001 00:34:39 GMT
Subject: Re: Any good officesuite like Microsoft Office for Linux
>Any suggestion for good application like Microsoft Office for Linux?
StarOffice from Sun is awesome and a free download. Do a search on Google to
find a mirror as the Sun site is busy until about 2300. It's about a 60 meg
download. I use it for everything.
Regards,
Art
Although we may never know with complete certainty the identity of the winner
of this year's presidential election, the identity of the loser is perfectly
clear. It is the nation's confidence in the judge as an impartial guardian of
the law.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bit Twister)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Downgrading to Mandrake 7.2 - did Linux become a windoze clone?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 00:49:50 GMT
Had the same kind of problems in the 7.2
"Complete" was misleading. 4 cds. Though I was getting
the same thing I had in the 7.1 Deluxe.
Tried Expert and Custom "load all". Ha, Ha, loaded in 10 minutes.
Spent the rest of the weekend loading packages and getting
updates off the net and still could not do an nslookup.
Wound up getting a copy from the 7.1 drive.
I feel like Mandrake hired a bunch of Micro$oft programmers.
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From: *Rotten_168* <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Downgrading to Mandrake 7.2 - did Linux become a windoze clone?
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 00:57:59 GMT
David Steinberg wrote:
>
> Zsolt Zsoldos ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> : Is this a new trend or I just picked the wrong distribution ?
> : Anybody care to comment on RedHat 7.x or other distribution's newest
> : versions from the developer's pont of view ? Are they also stripped
> : down?
>
> Have you taken a look at Debian yet? I would have guessed that a Linux
> old-timer such as yourself <grin> would have. It so, did you not like
> it? I recently switched from Mandrake, and I am most impressed.
>
> Like you said Mandrake is flashy, but it's not really all that well put
> together. Everything doesn't always work correctly, and like you said, it
> seems like it's geared towards non-developers. I was also frustrated
> that, in 7.1 (the last version I used) the C++ standard libraries weren't
> even on the first CD! There are some decidedly unuseful packages
> included on the first CD, but no C++ standard libraries?!
>
> Anyways, Debian is built by the community for the community...and that
> means that developers and more advanced users matter. There's no push to
> have pointy-clicky configuration tools, but configuration is usually
> easier, anyway, consisting of a few questions asked in a package's
> post-install script. And package management is, of course, superb. To
> keep up to date, you just need to run "apt-get update; apt-get upgrade",
> and any package updates are applied. To install a new package foo,
> "apt-get install foo" takes care of the package and all of its
> dependencies. I almost cried the first time I saw it work, it was so
> beautiful. :)
>
> People have complained that the installation is difficult, but for someone
> with the experience you've had, it should be a breeze. Just remember to
> start small with package selection, and then "apt-get" whatever you need,
> as you need it.
>
> Enough of my gushing: check out www.debian.org for more information.
>
> --
> David Steinberg -o)
> Computer Engineering Undergrad, UBC / \
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] _\_v
Hey maybe this is a dumb question but is Debian available at stores? I
still have a dialup so downloading a 1+ gig distro is out of the
question.
I too have Mandrake and I find it... junky. It's like someone through a
bunch of packages and "code fragments" on a CD and a flawed installer
and shipped it. When I was first learning, I was frustrated to no end by
why 'gcc' and 'make' both returned 'bash: xxxx: command not recognized'.
So they make me install a hex editor but not gcc and make? Argh,
unfortunately a lot of Linux distros just don't have good business sense
(or common sense) and they're now paying the price for it.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: How do I install a simple dot matrix printer?
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 01:02:21 GMT
I've Looked for a week for help on this so here it is. I am running
RedHat 6.1 and have connected a Star nx1000 printer. It's a dual boot
setup and the printer works fine in win98. I added the parport alias
into conf.modules, and did a modprobe parport_pc. After that I tried
a cat from a terminal prompt and it came out on the printer complete
with a form feed. However from the Gnome printer tool when I say
print an ascii test page, it says it did it but nothing on the
printer. I've set printtool to Epson 9 pin, and text print. I
thought this would be easy! What am I missing? Thanx.
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From: Marc Ulrich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,alt.os.linux.suse,comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Multiboot Win2k and linux
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 16:28:50 -0500
I just installed both Win2k and linux on my system this weekend. Because
of other issues, I had to format the harddrive, so I was starting with a
clean slate. I installed win2k first, then installed linux, letting lilo
take over the master boot record. I would suspect that if you did this,
lilo would let you select between windows or linux. Once you select
windows, the win2k boot selector should appear giving you the option of
the windows version you wish to have.
I did have one hang up: for some reason linux (Redhat 7.0) didn't
recognize the win2k stuff and gave as a second option in lilo as dos
boot on /dev/hdc1. By editing lilo.conf so that it pointed to /dev/hda1
and running lilo from the prompt fixed it (much to my relief.)
Perhaps this will help.
Marc
Costas Gavardinas wrote:
>
> I have Linux installed in the secondary partition of my first hard disk. I
> also have installed Windows 2000 pro and win98. I am using the Win2k boot
> selector for windows and I boot linux from a boot disk. Is there perhaps a
> way to integrate a "Linux" option to the win2k boot menu, so that I don't
> have to use a boot disk. Thank you for your help!
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Hajoma)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: mounting udf discs as nonroot
Date: 13 Feb 2001 01:12:50 GMT
On Mon, 12 Feb 2001 12:50:14 -0500, Gregory Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Gregory Davis wrote:
>
> > When I run "mount /dev/cdrom1 /burner -t udf" I get an error message
> > saying only root has permission to do that.
> /dev/cdrom1 /burner auto ro,noauto,user,exec 0 0
The problem is the -t on the command line. You shouldn't need that now
fstab is set up right, but mount won't let anyone but root specify a
filesystem type. Try "mount /burner".
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From: "Richard Hamilton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.os.linux,alt.os.linux.redhat,comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.redhat,linux.redhat,linux.redhat.install
Subject: Re: /usr/src/linux???
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 19:35:17 -0600
Outside of what everyone else has suggested the only thing I'd add would be
install the old kernel souce and take a look at the old Makefile using
Xconfig. That way you'll have a good ideal of what you want in the kernel
and what you don't. That is unless you've got an ideal already. (I'm making
an assumption that you haven't upgraded a kernel before. :)
count_zero <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:InMh6.1679$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Hi group,
>
> This may be a hopeless newbie question, but...
> I have installed RH 7.0 and would like to upgrade to the 2.2.17 or 2.4
> kernel. I believe there should be a /usr/src/linux directory. I don't
see
> one; there is a 'redhat' directory. Where are the kernel source files? I
> get an error when I try to run make config.
> All help gratefully accepted
>
>
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Date: 12 Feb 2001 20:17:1 -0500
From: "Gene Heskett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: /usr/src/linux???
Gene Heskett sends Greetings to Paul Kimoto;
PK> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Gene
PK> Heskett wrote:
>> the fact
>> is that when the kernel archive is unpacked, it does unpack to
>> /usr/src/linux.
PK> ... if you started in /usr/src.
I somehow knew that the minute I hit the right amiga + shift + q that
somebody would call me on that. You are of course correct. :-]
Cheers, Gene
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Date: 12 Feb 2001 20:32:55 -0500
From: "Gene Heskett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: /usr/src/linux???
Gene Heskett sends Greetings to Eggert Ehmke;
EE> On 12 Feb 2001 6:31:35 -0500, "Gene Heskett"
EE> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>While I'll have to plead to not reading that readme recently,
EE> Please do it now. The information is new since 2.4.0, it was not
EE> mentioned in 2.2.18.
Well, I did read it before I compiled 2.4.0 the first time, but that was
mainly to find out what else I had to install also.
>> the fact
>>is that when the kernel archive is unpacked, it does unpack to
>>/usr/src/linux.
EE> It unpacks in the current directory. I untar the kernel in
EE> /usr/src/kernel and get the tree in /usr/src/kernel/linux.
>>However as several have pointed out, this 'linux' directory should
>>be immediately subjected to an 'mv linux linux-2.4.1' or 2.4.2 in my
>>case, and a softlink then made to linux from there.
EE> This was the *old* strategy that was valid until 2.2.18. I used
EE> it myself on a regular basis.
>>It goes without saying that if there is an existing link to 'linux'
>>it should be removed BEFORE unpacking the new archive, else you'll
>>have an unclean directory structure, and make will die a horrible
>>death from that at some point.
EE> That's clear.
>>Its a good scheme IMO, allowing you to leave previous kernel sources
>>intact on your drive, they are protected from change the instant you
>>'rm -f linux' in preparation of unpacking the archive to apply the
>>next patch, so I'd have trouble justifying that it be changed.
EE> You can still do so, but not under /usr/src/. As I told before, I
EE> have
EE> /usr/src/kernel for this purpose. /usr/src/linux contains the
EE> headers that were delivered with SuSE 7.0, and I leave them
EE> untouched.
That may well be a good idea. OTOH, if I go back to the rh7.0 iso to
check the headers there, they are 2.4 stuff, and a limited compare
indicates no differences between those, and the ones in the tar's
linux/include directory.
EE> I really would like to have this strategy verified by an expert,
EE> I just
EE> *hope* it is alright. However, I upgraded from 2.4.0 to 2.4.1
EE> without problems working that way.
Well, I'm certainly not a briefcase carrying expert more than 50 miles
from home, but the last time I looked, the kernel tars now seem to
contain their own versions of the 2.4 headers, as they have since about
2.2.17 ISTR. These seem to be copies of /usr/include, or at least
similar enough that I've had no problems I can pin on a difference.
I did look one of the 2.4 Makefiles over, and it appeared that the
includes referenced the kernel's tree, and not the /usr/include tree.
I don't particularly care for that with the possibility of an included
define clash being created by such use, but it seems to be working ok.
The last compile problem I had was ghostscript (6.53 IIRC) which was the
last straw with the *second version* of that busted redhat compiler. gcc
2.95.2 is back into service, and happy as a clam. I'm currently running
2.4.2-pre3.
The bottom line is that as long as the includes are part of the release
tarball, either method seems to be valid.
Cheers, Gene
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