Linux-Setup Digest #684, Volume #19              Sat, 23 Sep 00 18:13:12 EDT

Contents:
  Extracting a rpm file. ("John D. Cassidy")
  Re: NEW NVIDIA DRIVERS (Warning) ("Colin Anderson")
  Re: Lilo Problems ("Jason Byrne")
  Re: Extracting a rpm file. (flipper)
  Re: Lilo Problems ("Jason Byrne")
  Re: LILO troubles ("Jason Byrne")
  Re: Extracting a rpm file. ("John D. Cassidy")
  Changing resolutions ("P-Body")
  Re: Linux, Win2K, 2 hard drives, & MBR's ("Jason Byrne")
  help: external modem on redhat 6.1 ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
  Re: Lilo Problems (b1qcxc82)
  Re: Implications ("paul snow")
  Red Hat 7.0 beta and Mitsumi scroll mouse (Thomas Cameron)
  Kernels 2.4.0-test[1-8] do not find root-device (Konrad Mierendorff)
  Help! Cannot get win98 to boot with lilo (Pascal VINCENT)
  Re: Woops, I just blinded my box. ("Jake")
  Re: Extracting a rpm file. ("David ..")
  Re: Extracting a rpm file. ("David ..")

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From: "John D. Cassidy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Extracting a rpm file.
Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 15:36:43 -0400

How do I extract an RPM file.  I have Mandrake, and I am trying to do it
through KDE


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From: "Colin Anderson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux.mandrake,comp.os.linux.x
Subject: Re: NEW NVIDIA DRIVERS (Warning)
Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 19:43:37 GMT

Use the following to mount drives.
mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/win_c
mount /dev/floppy /mnt/floppy    or   mount /dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy

make sure that the /mnt/win_c and /mnt/floppy directory exists before doing
this.

To unmount, use:
umount /dev/floppy
umount /dev/hda1

Linux will automatically detect the file system for you.

If your windows hard drive is not the first partition on your primary hd,
change the hda1 for what ever the drive actually is.
You can also put the mount options for the windows drive into your
/etc/fstab file.  This will mount the drive automatically at boot for you.

Hope this helps,

Colin

jb wrote in message <8qgvlo$mul$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>*Warning* I am an admitted Linux newbie...
>
>I have a pretty solid set of instructions for how to install the new
version
>of XFREE, but I have a problem: I downloaded the files in windows, and
don't
>know how to access a floppy disk from linux.  I have a GeForce 2 GTS with
32
>MB of video ram, and I'd really like to use X Windows, but can't until I
>install xFree 4.0.1.
>
>I've read a few things about mounting the floppy drive, but don't know how
>to access it!  Here's what I've been told:
>
>mount -t msdos /dev/fd0
>
>or...
>
>mount /mnt /floppy
>
>But what do I do then to open the files?  I know this must sound like such
a
>dumb question, but the help is appreciated nonetheless.  If you have the
>answer for me, please email [EMAIL PROTECTED], as I usually have
>trouble finding old posts on newsgroups.  Thanks!
>
>




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From: "Jason Byrne" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Lilo Problems
Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 13:14:40 -0700

> Hi cloud
> I eagerly await answers to your problem.  I'm in the same boat except I
only
> get LI
> I'm using Slackware 7.1  (well not exactly USING yet)
> Lorraine

each letter, etc... of LILO indicates specific stages 'passed' during
startup... so the situations are slightly different.

As for Slackware 7.1 (I'm also using it) - you can boot your system from the
install CD... and try to fix your /etc/lilo.conf.

I knew I would have to *fix* my LILO setup when I went through the
configuration... since I set up a separate /boot partition... and Slackware
doesn't quite set that up correctly.

After booting into your system with the CD... run 'setup' and use the LILO
configuration menus to at least make a boot floppy... and this will at least
give you a lilo.conf to work from... in the /etc directory on the floppy if
you don't want to type your lilo.conf from scratch.

It would be helpful if you could post your lilo.conf file and maybe the
output of fdisk (fdisk /dev/hda... and then choose p for print, paste to a
file, etc)

>
> cloud wrote:
>
> > hey,, hoping you can help with some lilo problems i am having
> >
> > when i start lilo i get LIL- and it just sits there..... any clue why,,,
> > and also,, how do you create the lilo boot disk once inside Linux (not
> > during setup)
> >
> > Thanks
> > Patrick
> >
> > *&&Linux convert in training
>



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From: flipper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Extracting a rpm file.
Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 16:26:53 -0400

"John D. Cassidy" a �crit :

> How do I extract an RPM file.  I have Mandrake, and I am trying to do it
> through KDE

Just click one time on the icon file ;)


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From: "Jason Byrne" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Lilo Problems
Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 13:26:38 -0700


> I don't if this will solve your problem, I used to get rid of my LI
problem on
> my Redhat 6.2.
> Some background.  I have a 40G hard drive but Compaq won't give me an
update to
> my BIOS. It can only access 8G.
> I had MaxBlast (EZ-Bios), a disk overlay and I jumpered the 40G hard drive
as a
> 2G drive.
> Here is my arrangement of my harddisk from beginning to end.  (Pardon the
> numbering sequence but it works)
> 16M hda3-/boot  (This is important, the boot partition must within the
1024
> cylinder, that is why it is in the beginning of the disk)
> 216M hda2-swap
> 7G hda4-/
> 32G hda1-windows
> I applied lilo to hda3 partition and made the partition active.
> If I applied lilo to hda partition, it messed up my EZ-BIOS.

I've installed Linux on a few machines with old BIOS' that couldn't see the
whole hard-drive without help from EZBIOS/MaxBlast.

The typical method I use for any multi-boot system on a single hard-drive...
that works well regardless of a crippled BIOS or EZBIOS/MaxBlast necessity..
is to just install LILO on the Linux /boot partition... and just make the
Linux /boot partition active.

On a single hard-drive... this will toggle the active status of *other*
partitions that were previously active (most likely the first primary where
Windows is installed).

This way... any opposition to installing LILO in the MBR is resolved... and
your system just boots to the first *active* partition that it finds (the
Linux /boot partition)... and you can start either OS from there.

> b1qcxc82 wrote:
>
> > Hi cloud
> > I eagerly await answers to your problem.  I'm in the same boat except I
only
> > get LI
> > I'm using Slackware 7.1  (well not exactly USING yet)
> > Lorraine
> >
> > cloud wrote:
> >
> > > hey,, hoping you can help with some lilo problems i am having
> > >
> > > when i start lilo i get LIL- and it just sits there..... any clue
why,,,
> > > and also,, how do you create the lilo boot disk once inside Linux (not
> > > during setup)
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > > Patrick
> > >
> > > *&&Linux convert in training
>



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From: "Jason Byrne" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: LILO troubles
Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 13:44:38 -0700

> Hi all,
> I explain you all the entire situation.
> I've w98 installed on drive C which has 3 partitions : 1 for win itself
> (fat32), 1 linux native and the other for linux swap.
> I boot from slackware 7.0 CD w/o any problem and setup goes ahead till
lilo
> configuration.
> I tried to do as I always did (successfully) and i installed it into MBR.
> I try to reboot and boots w98...
> Then i rebooted from a w98 diskette and performed a fdisk /mbr, tried to
> reboot again and i could see this situation:
> "LILO " prompted, with no more text, no way to choose as usual 1) Linux 2)
> Winsucks as I configured the LILO
> All stays frozen for 30 secs ( my delay time ) and then boots linux
> regardles of what i type in the meanwhile.
>
> Now, i performed several search on the web and news archives and i saw
that
> fdisk /mbr just rewrite the boot code only ( 446 bytes) leaving boot
> information alone ( all info is 512 bytes ).
> Now, should I remove and rewrite it entirely?
> If yes, how?
> Is there any dos utility for that?
> Someone told me that exists another undocumented deature of the fdisk
> command for that but i didn't find it on the web.
>
> Suggestions and ideas are quite welcome.
> Best regards,

In case you didn't get this resolved yet...

sounds like you are missing the 'prompt' keyword in your lilo.conf

put it above the labels for your boot choice(s)

something like:

# start of lilo.conf

boot = /dev/hda
prompt

# linux config

image = /boot/vmlinuz
label = linux
...



> Armando aka ArMyZ



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From: "John D. Cassidy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Extracting a rpm file.
Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 16:51:47 -0400

flipper wrote:

> "John D. Cassidy" a �crit :
>
> > How do I extract an RPM file.  I have Mandrake, and I am trying to do it
> > through KDE
>
> Just click one time on the icon file ;)

I did that, but it asks me what to open it with, and I don't know what to
open it with.


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From: "P-Body" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Changing resolutions
Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 16:32:15 -0700

  How do I change the screen resolution?
  I just recelntly installed Redhat linux so I know nothing about it I am in
Winblows ME right now until I get a linmodem. I don't have any clue where to
begin.



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From: "Jason Byrne" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux, Win2K, 2 hard drives, & MBR's
Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 14:02:27 -0700

<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:8qgbcs$k49$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Linux, Win2K, 2 hard drives, & MBR's
> I know how to install Windows 2000, Windows 98 SE, and Linux on the
> same hard drive with multiple partitions.  Install Win98SE first, then
> Win2K; NT Loader will install in the MBR (master boot record) and take
> care of Win98SE.  Then install Linux, but place LILO in the first
> sector of the Linux boot partition.  Then use BootPart to add Linux
> partition in the NT Loader boot menu.  Relatively simple.
> However, what do you do if there are two hard drives?  Doesn't each
> hard drive have its own MBR?  Where does NT Loader go?  Where does LILO
> go?  If NT Loader is in the MBR of the first hard drive, and LILO is in
> the secord hard drive, what happens?  Should I place LILO in the first
> sector of the Linux boot partition?  Then what goes in the MBR of the
> secord hard drive?  Etc., etc., ...
> Thank you.

It's almost identical... assuming you install Linux on the second
hard-drive... and lilo in the Linux boot partition.

If you're using bootpart... you'll just be grabbing the 512 byte sector from
the second hard-drive... corresponding to the Linux boot partition.

The equivalent to the work that bootpart does... from Linux... would be
something like the following:

/bin/dd if=/dev/hdb1 bs=512 count=1 of=/win_cdrive/bootsect.lnx

(assuming /dev/hdb1 is where you installed LILO... and your windows C: drive
is mounted at /win_cdrive)

Then you could just add

c:\bootsect.lnx = "linux"

to your boot.ini file.

(using the /bin/dd method will not have the extra bootpart message you
usually see when you make a boot selection from NT's loader)

>
> -
>
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.



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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: help: external modem on redhat 6.1
Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 20:59:14 GMT

I'm running redhat linux 6.1 and I have an external us robotics
sportster 56k modem.  I have it installed on /dev/ttyS0 and had gotten
it to dial out using kermit 7.0 but now I cannot seem to contact the
modem.  I've tried setserial, minicom -s, and linuxconf but I can't
seem to get it going.  I don't want to use the gnome to set it up.
Thanks in advance.

Leo


Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.

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From: b1qcxc82 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Lilo Problems
Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 21:11:00 GMT

Sorry bout the name Josef.  It is really Lorraine, but My Win98SE machine thinks I'm
b1qcxc82 and I'm not about to argue since it is the only way I have right now of
getting on the internet.  Learning Linux is not coming that easy to me.

Linux is a separate machine with only one little hard drive of 420 megs dedicated
(figure I should have less problems that way.)   I'm not sure how to answer the
question if it is my first boot-up.  I've done it over again so many times.  If I
leave the diskette in and turn on the power it will run as far as logging in and
trying out different commands in the chapter of the book about navigating files.
But I can't see their sizes yet.  And as for popping up with a nice (bare bones)
graphical interface desktop - no that hasn't happened yet.

When I take out the diskette and try to boot up off the hard drive I get LI hanging
on the screen by itself on the last line.

Thanks for the link.  I'll try it.  Then I think I'll start all over again.
Lorraine


Josef Oswald wrote:

> Hello,
>
> b1qcxc82 schrieb:
> ^^^^^^^
> some people prefer real names in such  ngs :-)
>
> > Hi cloud
> > I eagerly await answers to your problem.  I'm in the same boat except I only
> > get LI
> > I'm using Slackware 7.1  (well not exactly USING yet)
> > Lorraine
>
> You did not tell if you get this at your first boot-up ( was Linux running on
> the pc at all?)
>
> here is link
> http://judi.greens.org/c/h/get/lilofaq.html
>
> both of you did not tell if there is another OS on the same pc. (Because Lilo
> needs to reside below the 1024 Cylinder) If both Linux did not run yet, then
> there is a problem with the Hard disk.
>
> as to the boot disk:  This depends on the distribution Patrick;  f..e Example
> with SuSE you can use yast.
>
> hth :-)
>
> >
> > cloud wrote:
> >
> > > hey,, hoping you can help with some lilo problems i am having
> > >
> > > when i start lilo i get LIL- and it just sits there..... any clue why,,,
> > > and also,, how do you create the lilo boot disk once inside Linux (not
> > > during setup)
>
> > >  Thanks
>
> > > Patrick
> > >
> > > *&&Linux convert in training
>
> --
> Josef Oswald [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> registered-linux-user # 13.818 at http://counter.li.org
>
> -Strange it works but we don't know why: it's Windows it does not have bugs only
> features....
> the lie of the 20th. century..... will it continue in the third Millennium?



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From: "paul snow" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.linux.misc,comp.software.config-mgmt
Subject: Re: Implications
Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 21:13:48 GMT

> Do you have a clue? *I* don't know how much IT companies invest in
> various areas, and I don't know where you get your numbers from.

"Recent industry studies confirm that capital expenses, including hardware,
software, communications, and maintenance comprise less than 1/3 of the
5-year cost of ownership of information systems. Server costs are less than
10% of the total cost of system ownership, with disk storage accounting for
the greatest portion of large server costs. The largest category of costs is
IT labor, which rises incrementally each year as the cost of hardware
diminishes. Tasks such as system management, problem management, network
management, configuration management, storage management, operations
management, resource management, and software installation management
comprise the most costly aspects of acquiring, installing, and operating
production systems in an extended enterprise."

http://www.rs6000.ibm.com/resource/consult/enabling/sp_v2250.html

"The first authoritative report on the subject was issued by the US based
Gartner Group in February 1996, and has been followed by many others.
Gartner estimated the TCO of a PC in a US corporation to be between $8,000
and $12,000 per annum, of which only $6,000 is budgeted. The largest
component of this cost, about 46% according to the Gartner Group's model, is
that of end user operations i.e., applications development, casual learning,
file management, peer support and time wasted playing with configuration and
optional settings on the system. Capital costs (purchase, rental or lease of
hardware, software and infrastructure) comprised only 21%.

http://www.rm.com/further/tco/

There is plenty more.  Search for Total Cost of Ownership (TOC).  75% may be
on the low side, but consistent with most of the research.  And it is
consistent with my own, rather lengthy experience in this area.

So, the observation is that these efforts (which cost all this money and
effort) all amount to the task of taking a set of software X which defines
what can be installed on a set of computers, and applying different
expressions of X on each computer in an enterprise. Furthermore, the
networks and distributed nature of the problem requires that X be expressed
on each computer within the context of each computer's role in the
enterprise.

Figuring out better ways to do this with Linux really amounts to designing a
Linux form of Microsoft's .Net effort.  Is this worth while?  I would think
so, if Linux is to be competitive.

Paul Snow
[EMAIL PROTECTED]





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From: Thomas Cameron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.x,comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Red Hat 7.0 beta and Mitsumi scroll mouse
Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 16:26:45 -0500

Howdy -

Well, I'm stumped.  I have a cheap Mitsumi ps/2 scroll mouse (it's
really a button rather than a scrolling wheel) which worked perfectly
under Red Hat 6.0, 6.1, and 6.2.

Under Red Hat 6.9 (Pinstripe), if I set it up as anything other than a
2-button ps/2 mouse without 3-button emulation, it jumps to the upper
right corner of the screen as soon as I move it under X.

Any ideas?
Thomas


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From: Konrad Mierendorff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Kernels 2.4.0-test[1-8] do not find root-device
Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 23:30:01 +0200

Hi everybody!

I'm trying to get my Debian 2.2 (i.e. potato) box to work with the above
mentioned kernel. However, while booting I get a Kernel panic after the
partition check. This looks as follows:
===================
Partitions check:
hda: hda1 hda2
hdc: hdc1 hdc2 hdc3 hdc4
Kernel panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on 16:02
===================
The 2.2.14 kernel does not complain.

The first kernel which produces this error was -test[1 or 2] AFAIR.

I upgraded the packages e2fsprogs, modutils, util-linux and ppp (quite
unimportant) to the versions used in the current unstable Distribution
(woody). (i.e. e2fsprogs_1.19-2, modutils_2.3.16-1, util-linux_2.10o-1)
But this didn't help.

Just to avoid some questions I should mention that Debian 2.2 uses gcc
2.95.2 (which is AFAIK not a recommended compiler for the Linux Kernel),
my root device *is* /dev/hdc2 (i.e. 16:02), and I'm using an ASUS P5A
board. Here is the output of lspci:
km@legolas:/home/archives/deb > lspci
00:00.0 Host bridge: Acer Laboratories Inc. [ALi] M1541 (rev 04)
00:01.0 PCI bridge: Acer Laboratories Inc. [ALi] M5243 (rev 04)
00:03.0 Bridge: Acer Laboratories Inc. [ALi] M7101 PMU
00:07.0 ISA bridge: Acer Laboratories Inc. [ALi] M1533 PCI to ISA Bridge
[Aladdin IV] (rev c3)
00:0a.0 Multimedia audio controller: Ensoniq ES1371 [AudioPCI-97] (rev
06)
00:0d.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RT8029(AS)
00:0f.0 IDE interface: Acer Laboratories Inc. [ALi] M5229 IDE (rev c1)
01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc 3D Rage Pro AGP
1X/2X (rev 5c)
km@legolas:/home/archives/deb > 

My hardisks are two Maxtor drives on hda (8 GB) and hdc (30 GB), both
UDMA capable.

The IDE driver is compiled with UDMA support enabled:
        [*]   Generic PCI IDE chipset support
        [*]     Sharing PCI IDE interrupts support
        [*]     Generic PCI bus-master DMA support
        [*]       Use PCI DMA by default when available
        [ ]       ATA Work(s) In Progress (EXPERIMENTAL) 
        [*]     ALI M15x3 chipset support
        [ ]       ALI M15x3 WDC support
(DANGEROUS)                               

Did anyone get and solve this problem?

Please help me!

Thanks in advance!

- Konrad Mierendorff

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From: Pascal VINCENT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Help! Cannot get win98 to boot with lilo
Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 17:35:38 -0400

Hi, I've just purchased a new 15Gig disk mostly to accomodate the
resource-hungry Windows98, and can't get Lilo to boot it.

Lilo reports a "0x01" error code when I try to boot win98.

Please help!!!

Here is what I did:
* I installed Win98 on a 6.5 Gig partition on the new drive (temporarily
set as primary master, with my old disk temporarily disconnected, so
that Win98 would accept to install and not erase the old disk...). It
did boot.
* I reconnected my old disk as primary master, and set the jumper of the
new disk as primary slave, (I have a cdrw and cdrom drive as secondary
master and slave, and can't really connect all of these otherwise due to
cable and screw hell inside the box...)
* I changed the lilo configuration as follows: 

boot = /dev/hda
timeout = 50
prompt
  default = linux
  vga = normal
  append = "mem=128M"
  read-only
map=/boot/map
install=/boot/boot.b
image = /boot/vmlinuz
  label = linux
  root = /dev/hda5
image = /boot/vmlinuz-2.2.5-15
  label = linux-backup
  root = /dev/hda5
other = /dev/hda1
  label = win95
  table=/dev/hda
other = /dev/hdb1
  label = win98
  table=/dev/hdb
#  map-drive = 0x80
#     to = 0x81
#  map-drive = 0x81
#     to =
0x80                                                                                   
            

Well, actually I tried several variations, but always got this 0x01
error... (LILO version 21)
What's wrong, what does that error mean...

Please help!

-- 
Pascal VINCENT
tel: (514) 733-4670

Laboratoire d'Informatique des Systemes Adaptatifs
Departement d'Informatique et de Recherche Operationnelle
Universite de Montreal
tel: (514) 343-6111 ext. 1794

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  de chaque instant de votre vie"  [Shakti Gawain]

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   mais les navires ne sont pas faits pour ca." [je ne sais plus de qui
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            set them free!" [Sting]

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From: "Jake" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.security
Subject: Re: Woops, I just blinded my box.
Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 21:36:06 GMT


Tim Haynes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
> [snip]
> > Then, I rebooted the machine.  Oh why oh why did I ever reboot the
> > machine? :)
> >
> > First thing that happened was I couldn't see the outside world.
> [snip]

Could you ping IP addresses but not resolve hostnames?

If so, check /etc/resolv.conf and make sure you point
to a valid name server.

For clarification, you *do not* need to be running a domain
name server (named) unless you are managing your own domain.
In most cases, you simply need to point to an external DNS in
/etc/resolv.conf and use that.


Are you running a firewall?




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From: "David .." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Extracting a rpm file.
Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 16:37:29 -0500

"John D. Cassidy" wrote:
> 
> How do I extract an RPM file.  I have Mandrake, and I am trying to do it
> through KDE

If you are trying to extract an src.rpm file you can do a rpm -i
filename and find the source tarball in /usr/src/redhat/SOURCES/

If you want the source extracted and all patches that are included in
the src.rpm you can "cd /usr/src/redhat/SPECS/" and do a rpm -bp
filename.spec

May not be the easiest but it works.
-- 
Confucius say: He who play in root, eventually kill tree.
Registered with the Linux Counter.  http://counter.li.org
ID # 123538

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From: "David .." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Extracting a rpm file.
Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 17:06:06 -0500

"David .." wrote:
> 
> If you want the source extracted and all patches that are included in
> the src.rpm you can "cd /usr/src/redhat/SPECS/" and do a rpm -bp
> filename.spec

By the way this will put the extracted and patched files in
/usr/src/redhat/BUILD/

-- 
Confucius say: He who play in root, eventually kill tree.
Registered with the Linux Counter.  http://counter.li.org
ID # 123538

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