Linux-Setup Digest #882, Volume #19 Sun, 22 Oct 00 22:13:11 EDT
Contents:
hub lite blinking rapidly ("chuck")
Re: crashed X on moving files ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Q: Printing from a linux m/c to a W95 printer (Swapnajit Mittra)
Re: starting staroffice 5.2 ("David ....")
how do I get linux to recoginize my modem (bruce staik)
Re: Q: Printing from a linux m/c to a W95 printer (Monte Milanuk)
Re: how do I get linux to recoginize my modem (Monte Milanuk)
Re: redhat 6.2 or 7.0? ("ne...")
Re: Stock RH6.2 recompile buggy...Normal? ("ne...")
Re: Booting multi-boot system from Lilo? (Jim Broughton)
Re: update-menus @ mandrake 7.1 (Helium) (Colin Watson)
network card not detected (Zer0Signal)
Re: compile kernel problem (Timothy Murphy)
Re: continual, annoying hard disk access under gnome (ericn)
Re: continual, annoying hard disk access under gnome (ericn)
Re: continual, annoying hard disk access under gnome (ericn)
mandrake 6.1 and diamond sonic impact s90 soundcard not compatable?!
printer setup question (Hagbard)
Re: how do I get linux to recoginize my modem (bruce staik)
Re: Can't dual boot win2k & Mandrake7.1 (Rod Smith)
Re: Booting multi-boot system from Lilo? (Rod Smith)
compiling the kernel (no user)
Re: starting staroffice 5.2 ("bluster")
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From: "chuck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: hub lite blinking rapidly
Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 22:16:42 GMT
I added a redhat 7.0 machine to my network, its configured to use DHCP and
it works fine except the hub lights between it and my NT server with Sygate
as the DHCP server, go nuts! The NT server has 2 nic's in it and is my cable
internet "sharer" to my other computers on the network. The redhat computer
does make it "on-line" but those blinking light... Thanks for any
suggestions. Chuck
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: crashed X on moving files
Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 22:17:06 GMT
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 10/22/00
at 06:57 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Gregory Spath) said:
>BTW, as a former OS/2 user, I'd recommend using Windowmaker as a
>windowmanager instead of KDE's kwm. You can then use DFM as a
>filemanager (although KFM works fine too...but DFM actually does
>drag/drop with windowmaker properly where KFM doesn't). DFM is
>designed based on the OS/2 WPS and tries to work just like
>it.
Thanks to you (and to 'Noble Pepper') for some good advice,
especially relating to backups.
Actually, back home in the USA, I haveWindowmaker running on one
of my machines and it seemed fine to me though I'm not yet
experienced enough to tell all the differences. I'm away from
home now, under foreign skies (Germany), but I've built myself a
little system I'm enjoying (keeps me off the streets and out of
trouble), and am using Linux a lot on it (tho' OS/2 on my
laptop).
Anyway, I'm downloading WM now and will install when I get a
chance; it may eradicate my file move problem though I wish I had
a good explanation of what's wrong.
I should have pointed out that the problem does not affect 'root'
or the dummy user I just installed this afternoon to see (and
compare).
Thanks also for the link to the documentation. I've got nothing
here.
F.
===========================================================
Felmon John Davis
Union College / Schenectady, NY
os/2 - ma kauft koi katz em sack
===========================================================
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From: Swapnajit Mittra <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Q: Printing from a linux m/c to a W95 printer
Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 22:14:37 GMT
Hello all,
I am trying to setup a linux machine so that I can use
a printer connected to a windows95 machine. The linux and
the windows95 machines are connected to each other through
a hub.
1. I have setup the printer in linux using printtool.
2. I have setup the windows machine networking using MS
network client/service. I can telnet to the linux machine
from the w95 m/c and can ping the w95 m/c from the linux one.
But when I try to print from the linux m/c to the w95,
nothing happens (no error msg and no printing). One thing I
have noticed is that the linux m/c is not visible from
"network neighborhood" of w95.
Can somebody point out what are the steps that I need to
do to make the printing possible ? Is Samba a must for
this ? If yes, how do I configure/run it (I have Samba
installed already) ?
Thanks.
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Before you buy.
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From: "David ...." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: starting staroffice 5.2
Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 17:07:34 -0400
bluster wrote:
>
>
> When I installed SO 5.1 the network version cost big $, only the
> single user version was released for free. The single user version
> did not install as "networked" into the /usr/... tree.
> Is the new version 5.2 also free for the network version?
> If so I see an upgrade in my very near future.
>
> Bluster
Here is a link about it.
http://linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2000-10-22-014-04-OP-SW
--
Confucius say: He who play in root, eventually kill tree.
Registered with the Linux Counter. http://counter.li.org
ID # 123538
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From: bruce staik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: how do I get linux to recoginize my modem
Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 22:30:05 -0000
I have just instaled linus on my computer and no matter what i do it will
not recognise that I have a modem. I have tried 5 differant modems and
reinstaling linux three differant times and still nothing. help please. my
main modem is a supermax 56i voice modem and is for a pci slot.
Thank you for any help
--
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From: Monte Milanuk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Q: Printing from a linux m/c to a W95 printer
Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 17:16:00 -0600
Swapnajit Mittra wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> I am trying to setup a linux machine so that I can use
> a printer connected to a windows95 machine. The linux and
> the windows95 machines are connected to each other through
> a hub.
>
> 1. I have setup the printer in linux using printtool.
> 2. I have setup the windows machine networking using MS
> network client/service. I can telnet to the linux machine
> from the w95 m/c and can ping the w95 m/c from the linux one.
>
> But when I try to print from the linux m/c to the w95,
> nothing happens (no error msg and no printing). One thing I
> have noticed is that the linux m/c is not visible from
> "network neighborhood" of w95.
>
> Can somebody point out what are the steps that I need to
> do to make the printing possible ? Is Samba a must for
> this ? If yes, how do I configure/run it (I have Samba
> installed already) ?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.
Yes, Samba is a must for this. Best bet for samba info is the samba
website (www.samba.org). Or, once you have installed the samba rpms's
(samba-2.0.7, samba-clients, samba-common), go to
/usr/doc/samba-2.0.7/docs/htmldocs/using_samba for the html version of
the O'Reilly book 'Using Samba'
Monte
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From: Monte Milanuk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: how do I get linux to recoginize my modem
Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 17:19:58 -0600
bruce staik wrote:
> I have just instaled linus on my computer
Ouch. I bet he didn't enjoy that at all ;)
> and no matter what i do it will
> not recognise that I have a modem. I have tried 5 differant modems and
> reinstaling linux three differant times and still nothing. help please. my
> main modem is a supermax 56i voice modem and is for a pci slot.
>
Your modem(s) may be a 'winmodem' which are designed for use only under M$
Windows, as they lack several key chips on the board to be a 'real' modem.
Please provide some more info, like what kind of Linux you are using, what
version, what other hardware you have (to provide insights as to potential
conflicts), what other kinds of modems you have tried. With a little bit of
work, we should be able to get this rolling.
Monte
>
> Thank you for any help
>
> --
> Posted via CNET Help.com
> http://www.help.com/
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From: "ne..." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: redhat 6.2 or 7.0?
Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 23:21:06 GMT
On Oct 22, 2000 at 11:28, Mikkel Heisterberg eloquently wrote:
>Why would you recommend RH 6.2 to new users and RH 7 to more experienced
>users - just curious...
RH6.2 has stood the test of time. RH7 has issues which may
frustrate a newbie. I feel it is better to ease a newbie
into Linux than dump him/her in the deep and hope all ends
well.
Now, mind you, RH7 works and works well. I know. I use it.
I also have a 6.2 machine that sees more work.
Hope this helps.
[...]
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the wild thing with some stranger!
"The X-Files: Genderbender"
7:18pm up 1 day, 2:09, 9 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
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From: "ne..." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Stock RH6.2 recompile buggy...Normal?
Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 23:23:56 GMT
On Oct 22, 2000 at 11:53, Michael V. Ferranti eloquently wrote:
>Here I was, minding my own business, and wouldn't you know it?
>Scott Nolde <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> just had to go and say:
>
>>make sure you read the kernel compiling instructions to the 'T'. Did
>>you do the 'make mrproper' before compiling, or a 'depmod -a'?
>
> No. It indicated doing a "make mrproper" only if you'd *patched* the
>code. I'd done no patching or any modifications other than change two
>settings during "make menuconfig." I changed the 386 processor setting to
>Pentium (after reading all the '?' info sections), and toggled on MMX
>support (since I'm running an Intel Pentium 166 w/MMX).
> Since then, I've restored the system from backups and everything boots
>up again w/o errors. <phew!> Initially, all I want to do is recompile the
>unmodified kernal just for the experience (kernal recompile virgin here).
>I figure there's no point in compiling a new or patched kernal if I can't
>compile the stock version first. <grins> Maybe it's because it's a
>CheapBytes RH6.2 distro?
Hey, I use CheapBytes. All the time with no problems!
Now we got that sorted out I have a question for you.
Where did you get the .config file from that you used
when doing make [menu|x]config?????
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7:22pm up 1 day, 2:14, 9 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
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From: Jim Broughton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,linux.redhat.install
Subject: Re: Booting multi-boot system from Lilo?
Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 23:45:25 GMT
Preston Crawford wrote:
>
> After installing Redhat Linux 7 on my multi-boot system (Win2k, Windows 98,
> Linux) I've become very impressed with the graphical boot screen that Lilo
> uses under Redat 7. I'd like to keep it and boot everything from there, but
> it's kind of a pain to boot to DOS and then to also have to use the NT
> Loader. Is there a way to boot Windows 98 and Windows NT separately from the
> Lilo boot manager?
>
> Preston
Sure just use the NT boot loader. Can't remember the exact method
but I believe it is possible.
I do know however that LILO must be installed in linux's boot partition
when using an alternate MBR boot loader such as NT's or Boot Magic.
(if boot directory is in same partition as root install lilo to root)
Maybe someone else can shed more light on this.
--
Jim Broughton
(The Amiga OS! Now there was an OS)
If Sense were common everyone would have it!
Following Air and Water the third most abundant
thing on the planet is Human Stupidity.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Colin Watson)
Subject: Re: update-menus @ mandrake 7.1 (Helium)
Date: 22 Oct 2000 23:56:14 GMT
MT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>yep, i found the update-menus script ( /usr/bin/update-menus ) but after
>i run it, KDE menus are not updated yet!! I attatched a file
With reasonable-sized files it's probably better if you just paste them
in, rather than attaching them - or at least use MIME attachments so we
don't have to go away and manually decode the things. :)
>with the output of the update-menus script... what should i do???
Coo, they've started using Debian's menu package. When did that happen?
It looks like either they've broken the package or one of their other
packages has broken it, though, because I've never seen anything like
that on Debian ... maybe it would be worth checking in Mandrake's bugs
database.
--
Colin Watson [[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
"Aber einer erwacht von Mitternacht,
Und er kommt vom Aufgang der Sonne." - _Elijah_, Mendelssohn
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From: Zer0Signal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: network card not detected
Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 20:17:00 -0600
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I just installed mandrake on my pc, and everything has turned out fine
so far except my network card was not found during installation. Its a
D-link 220, and i have tried probing and manually setting it, with the
card in both PnP and non-PnP modes. anyone with suggestions, pleez
email me at either [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED]
thanx
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Timothy Murphy)
Subject: Re: compile kernel problem
Date: 23 Oct 2000 01:28:43 +0100
Richard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>I have choosen "Enable module support" in the xconfig. However, when I
>boot with the new image, there are lots of "Unresolved symbols" errors
>.... Could anyone please help ??
One possibility is that /etc/conf.modules (or /etc/modules.conf)
explicity gives the path to old modules
(eg "path=/lib/modules/2.2.14")
in which case just deleting this line should do.
--
Timothy Murphy
e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
tel: 086-233 6090
s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland
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From: ericn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.linux
Subject: Re: continual, annoying hard disk access under gnome
Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 00:16:51 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Bob Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> eric whiteford wrote:
> >
> > I recently installed redhat 7.0 w/ gnome as window manager. Once
> > gnome is up, the harddisk continually access w/ the light flashing
> > about every 2 seconds. It is not the logfile var/spool/messages.
It
> > is very annoying, and the disk can never get to inactivity timeout
> > where the motor spins down. Any suggestions?
>
> gnome is not a window manager. without knowing exactly what you have
> running it's just a guess. I would try shutting down services to
isolate
> which one is doing the activity.
> --
>
> Bob Martin
>
Bob-
Thanks, I appreciate the reply, but still can't get results.
First, I brought the memory up to 128K, and stopped swapping, but the
problem persists. I have seen other people post questions w/ this
problem, but have not seen an answer.
I ran top, and some of the processes I suspect are: kflushd, kupdate,
kswapd, mdrecoveryd, kpiod. But, when I try kill -9 on any of these,
they don't go away!!
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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From: ericn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,alt.linux
Subject: Re: continual, annoying hard disk access under gnome
Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 00:20:02 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Bob Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> eric whiteford wrote:
> >
> > I recently installed redhat 7.0 w/ gnome as window manager. Once
> > gnome is up, the harddisk continually access w/ the light flashing
> > about every 2 seconds. It is not the logfile var/spool/messages.
It
> > is very annoying, and the disk can never get to inactivity timeout
> > where the motor spins down. Any suggestions?
>
> gnome is not a window manager. without knowing exactly what you have
> running it's just a guess. I would try shutting down services to
isolate
> which one is doing the activity.
> --
>
> Bob Martin
>
Bob-
Thanks, I appreciate the reply, but still can't get results.
First, I brought the memory up to 128K, and stopped swapping, but the
problem persists. I have seen other people post questions w/ this
problem, but have not seen an answer.
I ran top, and some of the processes I suspect are: kflushd, kupdate,
kswapd, mdrecoveryd, kpiod. But, when I try kill -9 on any of these,
they don't go away!!
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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From: ericn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: continual, annoying hard disk access under gnome
Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 00:21:39 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Bob Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> eric whiteford wrote:
> >
> > I recently installed redhat 7.0 w/ gnome as window manager. Once
> > gnome is up, the harddisk continually access w/ the light flashing
> > about every 2 seconds. It is not the logfile var/spool/messages.
It
> > is very annoying, and the disk can never get to inactivity timeout
> > where the motor spins down. Any suggestions?
>
> gnome is not a window manager. without knowing exactly what you have
> running it's just a guess. I would try shutting down services to
isolate
> which one is doing the activity.
> --
>
> Bob Martin
>
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: mandrake 6.1 and diamond sonic impact s90 soundcard not compatable?!
Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 21:39:04 -0500
Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
i've searched and searched and i just want to be sure that it's not
compatable with linux. am i right?!
thanks
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From: Hagbard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: printer setup question
Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 21:23:32 -0400
hi all,
i'm trying to get my linux (rh 6.1) to recognize my hp deskjet 855c.
i was reading in a book on linux how to find out which port linux
configures your printer for by checking in /var/log/messages.
however, the book doesn't mention what to do when your messages file
says this...
modprobe: can't locate module parport_lowlevel
there are no other references to parport in the file. i know the port
works because i can print just fine to my deskjet 885c or my officejet
720 in windoze.
any suggestions for a newbie?
tia,
hagbard
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From: bruce staik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: how do I get linux to recoginize my modem
Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 01:30:09 -0000
Monte Milanuk wrote:
>
> bruce staik wrote:
>
> > I have just instaled linus on my computer
>
> Ouch. I bet he didn't enjoy that at all ;)
>
>
> > and no matter what i do it will
> > not recognise that I have a modem. I have tried 5 differant modems and
> > reinstaling linux three differant times and still nothing. help
please. my
> > main modem is a supermax 56i voice modem and is for a pci slot.
> >
>
> Your modem(s) may be a 'winmodem' which are designed for use only under
M$
> Windows, as they lack several key chips on the board to be a 'real'
modem.
It' not a win modem.
> Please provide some more info, like what kind of Linux you are using,
what
> version, what other hardware you have (to provide insights as to
potential
> conflicts), what other kinds of modems you have tried. With a little
bit of
> work, we should be able to get this rolling.
>
> Monte
>
>
I'm using Linux Mandrake 7.0 and a sound blaster 16 sound card. The other
modems were a rockwell 33.6 plug and play and three differt modem blaster
modles. I also have a ati 264 vts vido card. i don't even want to get into
the problems I'm haveing with that.
thank you for your help.
> >
> > Thank you for any help
> >
> > --
> > Posted via CNET Help.com
> > http://www.help.com/
>
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Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Rod Smith)
Subject: Re: Can't dual boot win2k & Mandrake7.1
Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 01:35:50 GMT
[Posted and mailed]
In article <8svfmi$abt$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"John Gillespie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> As some will notice I am new to the world of Linux.
> Have installed Windows 2000 on C:\ in NTFS (which I think NTFS is probably
> the cause of my problem).
> I now want to install Mandrake 7.1, install runs & partitions setup but I
> cannot get W2k to boot after.
> Having repaired W2k with FIXMBR obviously Mandrake will not boot.
I can't be 100% positive of this, but you've probably completely
destroyed your Windows setup. Even though you got Windows to boot
again, I wouldn't trust it. When you re-partitioned your disk, the
Linux installer re-sized the Windows partition without resizing the
DATA on the partition. As a result, Linux files got dropped over parts
of the NTFS filesystem, probably trashing files in the process. When you
used FIXMBR, chances are it restored the partition table to the way it
was, leaving you with an NTFS partition that includes an embedded Linux
partition that's probably overwritten some files. As an analogy, imagine
taking an audiotape, winding it mid-way, and recording something new
over the existing music. You may be able to play the beginning of the
tape, but at least part of it is now destroyed.
> Q: Can someone tell me if or how a dual boot is achieved in this way without
> C:\ in FAT and without re-installing W2k.
I would recommend wiping the drive, creating new partitions, restoring
Windows from a backup (you DO have a backup, right?) or re-installing
it, and then installing Linux.
In the future, if you want to re-size an NTFS partition, use a tool
that's designed for this task, like PowerQuest's PartitionMagic
(http://www.powerquest.com).
--
Rod Smith, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.rodsbooks.com
Author of books on Linux & multi-OS configuration
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Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Rod Smith)
Subject: Re: Booting multi-boot system from Lilo?
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,linux.redhat.install
Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 01:38:51 GMT
[Posted and mailed]
In article <_DHI5.7269$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"Preston Crawford" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> After installing Redhat Linux 7 on my multi-boot system (Win2k, Windows 98,
> Linux) I've become very impressed with the graphical boot screen that Lilo
> uses under Redat 7. I'd like to keep it and boot everything from there, but
> it's kind of a pain to boot to DOS and then to also have to use the NT
> Loader. Is there a way to boot Windows 98 and Windows NT separately from the
> Lilo boot manager?
That depends on how they're installed. If 98 and NT are on separate
primary partitions (that is, each thinks it's on C:, but the C:
partition seen from Win98 is not the same as the C: seen in WinNT), then
you just need to create appropriate /etc/lilo.conf entries to boot each
partition. If the two versions of Windows share a C: partition (which is
the most likely way the two are installed if you installed them using
the native Windows tools), then AFAIK LILO can't do it alone; you must
rely on NT's OS Loader or some other tool as a secondary boot loader.
--
Rod Smith, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.rodsbooks.com
Author of books on Linux & multi-OS configuration
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From: no user <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: compiling the kernel
Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 17:41:38 -0400
I have been using redhat for two years now and never had problems
compiling the kernel but I have decide to change for Debian. So I
installed Debian 2.2 but I can't compile the kernel 2.17 I do a make
bzImage it goes fine for a while but then it stops whit an error message
that folows:
make[1]: as86: Command not found
make[1]: *** [bbootsect.o] Error 127
make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux/arch/i386/boot'
make: *** [bzImage] Error 2
I think I'm missing a library but I don't know what to do.
anyone can help? --thanks--
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From: "bluster" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: starting staroffice 5.2
Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 21:50:02 -0400
David .... <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> bluster wrote:
> > When I installed SO 5.1 the network version cost big $, only the
> > single user version was released for free. The single user version
> > did not install as "networked" into the /usr/... tree.
> > Is the new version 5.2 also free for the network version?
> > If so I see an upgrade in my very near future.
> >
> > Bluster
>
> Here is a link about it.
>
> http://linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2000-10-22-014-04-OP-SW
>
Thank you very much for the link! :-) I'm afraid my teeny bandwidth
will be clogged for a few hours now!! *GRIN* sun.com here I come!
(whew! >nine million lines of code!)
Bluster
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