Linux-Setup Digest #106, Volume #20 Sat, 25 Nov 00 18:13:09 EST
Contents:
Re: How do you mix distros, eg Debian & RedHat RPM's, or can you?? (cfish)
Re: Sound card will not work (cfish)
Re: ran out of input data (cfish)
Re: Newly set up RH7.0 - Firewall? ("Carbon")
No sound on Compaq workstation (Paul Sheahan)
Desktop ("Marcp")
Re: Redhat 7.0 Install problems ("Carbon")
Re: Keymap trivia (Alessandro Baretta)
SB128 configuration problems (Vladimir Blagojevic)
Re: How do you mix distros, eg Debian & RedHat RPM's, or can you?? (DTi4565459)
Re: Getting Back To Linux ("Martin")
Re: Lilo boot sector after Windows 98 installation
linux.debian.usrs newsgroup seems to be inactive... (DTi4565459)
Re: RPM help needed ("ne...")
Re: Deeper Secrets?
Re: Hardware upgrade
Re: Desktop (Dragan Colak)
Re: Installing the telnet and ftp daemons (Dragan Colak)
Re: 3c509 (ISA) driver setup ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: linux.debian.usrs newsgroup seems to be inactive...
Re: Deeper Secrets? ("Philo")
Re: lilo doesn't install on large disk with W2K... ("James Stewart")
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From: cfish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: How do you mix distros, eg Debian & RedHat RPM's, or can you??
Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 20:07:27 GMT
no.
your best bet is download souce and compile them each. you still will
experience a lot fo problems this way. try getting another distro that
will work is a better path. try slackware.
On 25 Nov 2000 19:51:19 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (DTi4565459)
wrote:
>
>I am trying to get a Debian install up on a Mitsubishi Laptop, and
>I've succeeded with kernal, modules, and base from floppies.
>Also, I'm running my external PCMCIA CDROM. But attempts
>to install X, etc from Reilly Debian CDROM keep failing. I have
>many disks with the programs in RPM, but Debian didn't come
>with RPM executable. So, my question is How to download
>source code for RPM and compile it to work.
>
>Can't get pppd to work yet, so I will have to download RPM source
>on another machine.
>
>Can you mix things from different distros together without getting
>system messed up?
>
>TIA,
>
>
> dave
>
>http://www.columbia.edu/~mdt1/
>
>(1 = one, not little L; and don't forget the trailing / )
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From: cfish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Sound card will not work
Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 20:10:06 GMT
On Sat, 25 Nov 2000 14:51:30 -0500, Michael Larsen
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Hi all,
>
>I have a Yamaha YMF-724 (DS-1 Audio Controller) PCI sound card. I have
>run DrakConf on it and it recognizes it but I don't hear the 8-bit
>sample sounds it is supposed to generate to check out the set up. The
>kernel module is snd-card-ymfpci. Do I need to do something in a file
>somewhere to activate the card?
/etc/modules.conf
>I am a newbie at this so if you have
>the answer, please be very explicit in explaining what needs to be
>done.
RTFM
>
>Thank you very kindly.
>
>Mike
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From: cfish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: ran out of input data
Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 20:11:14 GMT
looks like the compressed kernel was somehow cut short.
did u run outta disk space?
On Sat, 25 Nov 2000 04:33:26 GMT, "Willie Chan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>I got "ran out of input data" during the first boot after installation....
>
>the screen looks like this...
>
>Loading Linux............
>Uncompressing linux................
>
>
>ran out of input data
>
>
>-- System halted
>
>
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From: "Carbon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Newly set up RH7.0 - Firewall?
Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 12:18:40 +0800
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> On Fri, 24 Nov 2000 19:25:18 -0600 in comp.os.linux.setup,
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> `Stan' said:
>
>
> : My concern is Security. I am concerned that anyone can come into my
> : computer until I set some sort of security up.
Have a look at firestarter.sourceforge.net. It's a little gui firewall
that's very easy to configure. There's versions for gnome 1.0 and 1.2
> http://www.ecst.csuchico.edu/~dranch/LINUX/TrinityOS/cHTML/TrinityOS-c.html
>
> See: "What Is A Packet Firewall" -- Section 10.1.
>
> That whole site has an abundance of security and performance tuning
> information on it. Enjoy. :-)
>
>
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From: Paul Sheahan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: No sound on Compaq workstation
Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 15:22:29 -0500
Hello,
I have a Compaq Professional Workstation AP550 with an integrated sound
system called "SoundMAX Integrated Digital Audio". When booting up,
I hear a "pop" and it shows that RH Linux 7.0 successfully initializes
an "i810_audio" device. But no sound works within Linux.
Red Hat Linux 7.0 finds it as "Intel Corp 82801AA AC'97 Audio" when
I run sndconfig. But when I try to do the test sound, the embedded
speaker again just "pops" once.
Can anyone give me some tips on this....I am new to Linux.....
Thanks
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From: "Marcp" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Desktop
Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 20:05:37 GMT
How do I get to the Desktop from the command prompt? I am running Mandrake
7.2 and my system boots up to the command line. Do I need to re-install and
change some options. I am new to Linux. Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks
mp
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From: "Carbon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Redhat 7.0 Install problems
Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 12:45:05 +0800
I have to agree. Unless there's something in 7 you really need, don't
bother. 6.x with all the redhat security and bugfix rpms (and the
helix-code desktop) is about as good as it gets for redhat.
I say this from experience, as one of my boxes has a rage128 that needs
XFree86 4.x to run properly. It still amazes me that it won't compile
a stock kernel out of the box :-\.
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Is there some feature in Red Hat 7 that's not in 6.* that is making
> you want to upgrade, or are you upgrading just for the sake of
> upgrading? The reason I ask, is that I've had RH 6.0 running all nice
> and happy for over a year, and don't plan on upgrading until the
> hdd(s) it's on croaks, and that's going to be a long while 'cause
> they are fairly new. It's the time tested and proven theory of: "If
> It Ain't Broke, Don't Fix It!". Besides, Red Hat 7.0 is very glitchy,
> so if ya' gotta' upgrade and want to use Red Hat, you will be much
> better off waiting for 7.1, 7.2, or the next version with the 2.4
> kernel and using 6.2 in the mean time.
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From: Alessandro Baretta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Keymap trivia
Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 21:46:21 +0100
cfish wrote:
> there are a lot of utilities that lets you do that in a very efficient
> way. the raw way of doing it is xmodmap
>
Uuuuuhhh.... Uh, hu?
I looked into xmodmap, and it does look like a cool piece of code. I'm sure
I can put it to some good use, but it is not what I was looking for. All I'd
like to do is tell my X server I want lo load a US keymap. You know,
something like
"loadkeys us"
Is there nothing that simple?
Alex
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From: Vladimir Blagojevic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: SB128 configuration problems
Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 20:55:47 GMT
Hi ,
I ran into sound card installation problem that I can not get out of, i
tried everything
I can but without success.
After some trouble to get everything working under 2.4test10 kernel that
I
am using (on RH7 base) only sound card is left unconfigured from all
other
devices. I have SB 128 PCI card and Asus A7V board.
Here is my proc/pci entry for the card:
Bus 0, device 13, function 0:
Multimedia audio controller: Ensoniq ES1371 [AudioPCI-97] (rev 7).
IRQ 12.
Master Capable. Latency=32. Min Gnt=12.Max Lat=128.
I/O at 0x9000 [0x903f].
I compiled sound support and driver for this card as modulues for my 2.4
kernel. Then ran sndconfig which picked it up , played linus' .au file ,
but sndconfig then DID NOT proceed to midi sample as it usually does.
To make the long story short, now I can not play midi files nor mp3's
etc
only .au and .vaw
cat sndstat gives no such device:
[root@localhost vlad]# cat /dev/sndstat
cat: /dev/sndstat: No such device
So I am somehow stuck in the middle can play some files some not and
unable
to find any reference on this problem anywhere :(
Any ideas?
Thanks a lot,
Vladimir
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (DTi4565459)
Date: 25 Nov 2000 21:07:33 GMT
Subject: Re: How do you mix distros, eg Debian & RedHat RPM's, or can you??
Well, that is a pain, isn't it. Debian is only install that loads a driver for
my PCMCIA ext CDROM. Can't download from ISP, since I can't get pppd to work.
I downloaded source for rpm-3, gunzipped it, renamed it *.tar, tarred it with
tar -Uvh, and it looked like it extracted files, and put a file name rpm under
a bin subdirectory in the folder where I started. But I can't get /bin/rpm to
execute. Locate fails to find other copies. This Linux stuff is *hard* for
newbies.
>L><PRE>Subject: Re: How do you mix distros, eg Debian & RedHat RPM's, or can
>you??
>From: cfish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Date: Sat, Nov 25, 2000 15:07 EST
>Message-id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>no.
>
>your best bet is download souce and compile them each. you still will
>experience a lot fo problems this way. try getting another distro that
>will work is a better path. try slackware.
>
>On 25 Nov 2000 19:51:19 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (DTi4565459)
>wrote:
>
>>
>>I am trying to get a Debian install up on a Mitsubishi Laptop, and
>>I've succeeded with kernal, modules, and base from floppies.
>>Also, I'm running my external PCMCIA CDROM. But attempts
>>to install X, etc from Reilly Debian CDROM keep failing. I have
>>many disks with the programs in RPM, but Debian didn't come
>>with RPM executable. So, my question is How to download
>>source code for RPM and compile it to work.
>>
>>Can't get pppd to work yet, so I will have to download RPM source
>>on another machine.
>>
>>Can you mix things from different distros together without getting
>>system messed up?
>>
>>TIA,
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From: "Martin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Getting Back To Linux
Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 21:31:53 -0000
Thanks for that cfish. I tried what you suggested, but it didn't work. In
fact, here's some of the other things I've tried. For the purposes of this
description I've used > to indicate I typed it in, and < to indicate the
shell's response.
> mount /dev/hda2 /mnt/new
< /dev/hda2: Success
< mount: you must specify the file system type
> mount -t ext2 /dev/hda2 /mnt/new
< mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hda2
< or too many mounted filesystems (aren't you trying to mount an
< extended partition instead of some logical partition inside?)
>
> fdisk -l
< warning: invalid flag 0x0000 of partition table 5 will be corrected
< by (w)rite
<
< Disk /dev/hda: 255 heads, 63 sectors, 3737 cylinders
< Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 bytes
<
< Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System
< /dev/hda1 * 1 638 5124703+ b Win95 FAT32
< /dev/hda2 639 3737 24892717+ 85 Linux extended
One other thing, if X-CD-Roast had written to hda2, would I have been
able to continue working as normal during that login, as I did for
several hours after initially launching X-CD-Roast?
Martin
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Lilo boot sector after Windows 98 installation
Date: 25 Nov 2000 21:39:56 GMT
I have installed several versions of DOS/Windows (3.11, 95, 98)
and Linux (Redhat 3.0, 5.1, Caldera 2.2, 2.3, 2.4, SuSe 6.1,
6.2, 6.4) and have decided that for ease of reinstallation
of Windows it's best to put Lilo on a partition rather than
on the MBR.
Every version of DOS/Windows I've installed (see above) insists
on taking over the MBR. Consequently, if you put Lilo on the
MBR and reinstall DOS or Windows, you lose Lilo.
When I first set up a drive, I create a DOS/Windows partition
just small enough to leave one-cylinder for a small
partition below the 1024 cylinder limit. For example,
I usually create a DOS partition of 1022 cylinders.
Then I install DOS/Windows there.
Then, I install Linux so that there is a one-cylinder partition for
the directory "/boot". That insures that I have enough room
for the kernel and all its paraphenalia, as well as the Lilo
boot loader on the "/boot" partition.
The rest of the drive can be partitioned as desired. I usually
use Linux fdisk, or the equivalent of the installation program
to create any additional DOS partition I might want. Then I use
the rest of the drive for an extended partition. Inside the
extended partition, I put the swap partition(s) and whatever
Linux partitions I feel like having (including the "/" a.k.a.
the "root" partition.)
The advantage of this is that either the DOS "fdisk" or the
Linux (or OS2, NT, etc.) fdisk can activate any primary partition,
including the DOS partition, the Linux partition, or whatever.
No matter what OS "owns" the MBR, I can use the fdisk program
of any OS to activate the primary partition "/boot" and get
Linux back up and running in just a few seconds.
Facil, eh?
El Guerrero del Interfaz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi,
> I have a computer with Windows 98 and Linux
> installed on the same hard disk. I would like to
> know how to reinstall Windows 98 from scratch
> without destroying the Lilo boot. If there's no
> way to avoid the overwriting of the Lilo boot by
> Windows 98, I would like to know how to restore
> the Lilo boot to be able to keep using both
> operating systems.
> Thanks and bye.
> --
> El Guerrero del Interfaz
> Sevilla, Spain
--
-- Gene Wiggins
-- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (DTi4565459)
Date: 25 Nov 2000 21:44:24 GMT
Subject: linux.debian.usrs newsgroup seems to be inactive...
I've gotten a minimal install of Debian done from floppies, but now I need some
help. My notes to debian users newsgroup never seem to get posted. So I'm
trying here. Debian boot finds module to drive PCMCIA external CDROM, and I
can mount the CDROM that came with the O'Reilly book.
But when I start dselect and try to select all packages, I get error messages:
flex recommends gcc
gcc doesn't seem to be available
I've been rebooting and trying again and again, but it seems I am stuck..HELP
TIA,
dave
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From: "ne..." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: RPM help needed
Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 21:50:51 GMT
On Nov 25, 2000 at 04:25, Tim Watkins eloquently wrote:
>Hey all,
>
>I've got what should be a simple question, but I can't figure it out. I'm
>running RH6.1, kernel 2.2.17. I want to update my printtool rpm to the
>latest. I downloaded the latest from RedHat, but when I try to install it,
>I get a message (something to this effect): only packages with major number
><=3 can be handled by this version of RPM.
>
>Now, I also download the latest RPM rpm (funny), and I get the same message
>when trying to install that. Did they actually make the updated RPM in a
>form that the previous version couldn't update? What am I missing here.
You are mising RH's errata site. Go there, your answer awaits
you.
--
Registered Linux User # 125653 (http://counter.li.org)
Decaffeinated coffee? Just Say No.
4:49pm up 6 days, 2:34, 8 users, load average: 0.00, 0.01, 0.00
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Deeper Secrets?
Date: 25 Nov 2000 21:57:00 GMT
Hi, Philo.
So far I've been using versions of Lilo that have the
1024 cylinder limit. Found that the limit only applies
to the "/boot" partition.
To overcome the problem, I make a Windows partition
up to cylinder 1022. Then a one-cylinder partition for
"/boot", then it doesn't matter what you do with the
rest of the partitions. So long as "/boot" is entirely
within the first 1024 (1023?) cylinders, everything
else with Linux can be anywhere.
To overcome the problem that reinstalling Windows
trashes the MBR, I don't put Lilo on the MBR. Instead,
I put it on the "/boot" partition. That way, when
the inevitable Windows reinstall comes around, it will
trash the MBR as usual, but then I can use DOS/Windows
"fdisk" to activate the "/boot" partition, and consequently,
Lilo works again.
I fiddled around with Grub on Caldera 2.4, but eventually
decided I like Lilo better, so went and bought a SuSE 6.4
box. Really like it. Have been avoiding the two SuSE 7.0
distros. Maybe some day, but in no hurry to change a highly
functional system into one that will take a few days to
tune to my needs.
philo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> When I originally installed Linux back in the ancient days
> of 1999 lilo would not boot past the 1024th cyl
> so i partitioned my dual boot system as:
> windows (hda1)
> linux (hda 5,6,7)
> windows (hda ,8,9,10,11)
> for a number of reasons, i backed everything up
> and recently repartioned as:
> windows (hda1,5,6,7)
> linux (hda8,9 ,10)
> now my drive is in order but i have to use a boot floppy
> to get to linux.
> i've tried to install the newer version of lilo and i've even triedgrub
> without
> any success and i'm thinking about maybe just going with
> grub.
> could anyone possibly offer which would be best for
> a person like myself with very limited computer knowledge.(i was using a 60
> year old typewriter until last year) :)
> if i went with grub...and go to the install portion... would i install it
> on hd0 ? it would not install
> there for some reason
> i know the designations are a bit different with grub.
> i have read the faq but require more clarity.
> thanks!
> --
> Philo
> website : www.plazaearth.com/philo
> dos win (versions 1 -9x) linux os/2 cp/m nde beos
--
-- Gene Wiggins
-- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Hardware upgrade
Date: 25 Nov 2000 22:00:41 GMT
Probably will need to reconfigure X on the new box,
unless the video adapter and monitor will be the same.
Other than that, it should work okay (I think.)
Rloc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> At present I am running Mandrake 7 on a Pentium 100 with 32Mb of RAM. I have
> access to a spare Celeron 266 box. I intend to swap the Linux hard drive
> into the Celeron 266 box. What else do I have to do to successfully transfer
> my Linux system to the Celeron?
> Thank you
> Rob
-- Gene Wiggins
-- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Dragan Colak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Desktop
Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 23:20:08 -0100
If X is installed on your system simply type "startx".
Linux will start X with the default window manager.
If you want to start a particular window manager type
"startx ???" where ??? has to be replaces by the wm
of your choice, e.g. "startx kde" to start X with KDE.
Hope this helps
Dragan
Marcp wrote:
> How do I get to the Desktop from the command prompt? I am running
> Mandrake
> 7.2 and my system boots up to the command line. Do I need to re-install
> and
> change some options. I am new to Linux. Any help would be appreciated.
>
> Thanks
> mp
>
>
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From: Dragan Colak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Installing the telnet and ftp daemons
Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 23:31:40 -0100
I'm not sure, but aren't they part of inetd?
I would recomend to use ssh instead of telnet.
It's more secure because of the encrytion it
does.
Hope this helps
Dragan
Scott J. Tamosunas wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I have a workstation install of Redhat Linux 6.2 with the KDE desktop. I
> wish to run both the ftp and the telenet server daemons so that other
> computers in my network can connect. What package are these in? I cannot
> seem to locate on my CD's which package they are contained in.
>
> Thanks!
>
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: 3c509 (ISA) driver setup
Date: 25 Nov 2000 22:35:42 GMT
Werner Joss,,, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I have a problem getting my 3com 3c509 ISA NIC to work in my
> rh7.0 system - all network settings are correct, the driver is loaded at
> startup (3c509 via /etc/modules.conf),
> but I can't ping any hosts in my LAN - the problem seems to
> be that the driver tries to use the AUI port of the card instead
> of BNC, which is my connection (dmesg shows up eth0 using AUI).
You need a utility to change the settings for the card.
For dos setup utility try
http://support.3com.com/infodeli/tools/nic/3c509/3c5096.1.htm
and you want disk 2 (dos drivers etc.) After extracting the files
(either use "lha" or "unzip" on the .exe file - forget which)
the program you want is called 3c5x9cfg.exe and you'll want the
help file for it too.
There is a Linux setup utility for the 3c509 but I don't have the URL
handy. If you don't have a dos boot disk email me and I can send
you a disk image of the disk that I use to setup my 3c509 card.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Subject: Re: linux.debian.usrs newsgroup seems to be inactive...
Date: 25 Nov 2000 22:49:22 GMT
On 25 Nov 2000 21:44:24 GMT, DTi4565459
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I've gotten a minimal install of Debian
done from floppies, but now I need some
>help. My notes to debian users newsgroup
never seem to get posted.
This doesn't answer the question you
asked further down your posting, but have
you checked the Debian web site for their
own mail server groups? They don't go
through Usenet but have their own groups
operated on their own servers. Maybe
someone there can give you guidance.
Good luck,
MP
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From: "Philo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Deeper Secrets?
Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 16:44:09 -0600
thanks for the reply...truthfully i really like lilo... as without the
gui...it has sort of an elegant
simplicity...
my old set-up did use lilo and i had no trouble installing it...
but for various reasons i did not want to divvy up my harddrive...
i had some problems with windows being on non-contiguous partitions...
it's a long story...
and it's not a big deal for me to use the floppy...it's just that i'm a bit
frustrated as i thought
either the new lilo or grub would have been easy to set up/
of course...just because i haven't figured it out...doesn't mean that it's
not easy :)
--
Philo
website: www.plazaearth.com/philo
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From: "James Stewart" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,alt.os.linux.slackware,comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: lilo doesn't install on large disk with W2K...
Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 15:57:54 -0700
Robert Kiesling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> "The infamous \"Brian\"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > Installed Slackware Current on 30 gig Maxtor /dev/hda4 (last 5 gig) and
> > can't lilo to install.
> >
> > Anybody have any idea what the problem is?
> >
> > Is lilo just broke and can't get up?
> >
> > Is it time for a new bootloader?
>
> Nope, sorry. LILO needs the boot or root filesystem partition
> (depending) in the first 1k cylinders. This is a hardware (BIOS)
> limitation. If it's a recent BIOS has extended boot partition support
> (the name of which escapes me right now), the newer LILO versions
> allow the root or boot file system's partition anywhere on the disk.
>
Yea, but only if you have the "right" kind of BIOS. It is explained in the
newer LILO's Documentation. Otherwise you'll have to do the separate boot
partition withing the first 1k cylinders. You may also have to use the
"linear" mode switch in your lilo.conf because who knows what your BIOS is
reporting to lilo since a 30 gig drive far exceeds the 8 gig size limit that
the old cyl/hd/sec type addressing has.
> If that's not possible, another, quicker workaround is to use a floppy
> to boot from.
>
> --
> Robert Kiesling
> Linux FAQ Maintainer
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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