Linux-Setup Digest #173, Volume #20 Wed, 6 Dec 00 15:13:08 EST
Contents:
Installing CD Rom connected to a sound card ("Sumedi P. Nugraha")
Re: A script in /etc/init.d doesn't execute at all ! (Mandrake 7.2) (Noble Pepper)
Re: What is this message??How to solve??thanks!! (Lew Pitcher)
Re: Linux telnet windows ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: another newbie, trouble getting started ("Mark")
Re: ipchains ("Kurt R. Rahlfs")
Re: Linux telnet windows (Black Dragon)
Re: Networking error + Hollywood card added ("[EMAIL PROTECTED]")
Re: ipchains (Black Dragon)
Loading kernel modules for scsi tape with RH 7.0 ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Starting portmapper: execvp: Permission denied ("Jerry �P")
Another Sendmail Question ("Lamar Thomas")
Re: Starting portmapper: execvp: Permission denied (Black Dragon)
Re: Netscape installing ERROR? ("philo")
Motherboard upgrade (2nd posting) ("Rloc")
Linux on Dell C600 laptop? (Jesse Sheidlower)
EIDE CD-ROM Writer problem (Michel Poirier)
Re: Another Sendmail Question ("Peter T. Breuer")
Re: Sendmail question (Chris Meisinger)
Re: Another Sendmail Question ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Another Sendmail Question ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Does anyone know!?!?! ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Audio ("mu6sys")
Re: another newbie, trouble getting started ("Peter T. Breuer")
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From: "Sumedi P. Nugraha" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Installing CD Rom connected to a sound card
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 12:09:30 -0500
Dear colleagues,
I am new in Linux world. I would like to operate an old CD Rom which
connected to a sound card. (I think it's only work if I connected the CD
via sound card under Windows 95/DOS). How to do it under Linux OS?
FYI, I use RedHat 6.2.
Thank you.
Sumedi
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From: Noble Pepper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: A script in /etc/init.d doesn't execute at all ! (Mandrake 7.2)
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 11:36:50 -0600
Pierre-Philippe Ravier wrote:
> In order to try to solve my network problems (the loopback is not set-
> up) I added the following script in my /etc/init.d folder :
>
<snip>
> I can execute this script by hand and it works.
> But it seems not to execute during the start-up of the machine.
<snip>
You need to make a link to the script in the appropriate runlevel
directory(ies).
The first character of the name uses S for start and K for kill and the
next two digits to sequence the various scripts in the directory.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Lew Pitcher)
Subject: Re: What is this message??How to solve??thanks!!
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2000 17:50:00 GMT
On Wed, 06 Dec 2000 16:52:16 +0100, Eric <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>kitty wrote:
>>
>> HELLO
>> I HAVE A QUESTION.
>> MY LINUX(MAIL-SERVER) TO APPEAR : "Unable to load
>> interpreter".
>> WHAT IS THIS ERROR-MESSAGE ? HOW TO SOLVE IT THAT I DO'T KNOW ?
>> SO IF ANYONE COULD HELP PLEASE COULD YOU E-MAIL ME AT
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> THANKYOU VERY MUCH FOR ALL YOUR HELP!!!
>
>I D.O N.O.T K.N.O.W
>
>You should give more info (how when what why) and stop shouting!
>It's not very readable, and is considered rude.
To the OP:
A quick websearch on the phrase "Unable to load interpreter" brings up
a number of pages, including
http://linuxperf.nl.linux.org/general/common.html, which describes the
message and it's remedy.
Perhaps you should check out the webpage and see if it can help you.
Lew Pitcher
Information Technology Consultant
Toronto Dominion Bank Financial Group
([EMAIL PROTECTED])
(Opinions expressed are my own, not my employer's.)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,comp.os.linux.misc,alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: Linux telnet windows
Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2000 17:43:39 GMT
HI,
Thanks for responding.
The mouse is exactly what is causing the problems.
As soon as I click in the other window, I now have selected
something else. I have to go back and reselect.
So, I end up concentrating on hand eye
coordination, instead of what I am working on.
I could never have done this when I injured my hand.
Are there any telnet windows with the Edit menu, and the
Cut and Paste commands?
Thanks
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
moonie;) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tue, 05 Dec 2000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >HI all,
> >
> >I'm very familiar with Unix, but new to Linux. I now have a
> >new Linux desktop at work.
> >
> >I've always relied on the menus to cut and paste into telnet
> >windows. But the mouse is causing me some mistakes now.
> >
> >Is there a telnet tools for Linux out there that has the
> >standard Edit menu, with both the standard Cut and Paste
> >commands?
> >
> >Thanks
> >
> >
> >Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> >Before you buy.
>
> You don't need them, just highlight what you want to copy, put the
cursor here
> you want to paste it and middle click, works with telnet (I just tried
it to
> make sure, cool)
> --
> moonie ;)
>
> Registered Linux User #175104
> (Registered at: http://counter.li.org)
>
> KDE2
> Kernel 2.4.0-test5
> XFree86 4.0 Nvidia .94 drivers
> RAID 0 Striped
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>
>
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From: "Mark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: another newbie, trouble getting started
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 09:52:10 -0800
> the difference is, you are burning it like "this is a file on a CD
> format(iso9660)" instead of telling the burning program "this is the
> raw data, don't worry about file format, just burn it bit by bit.
ok, that's the info I was missing. Burning an "image" is much different
from burning a file. Got it. Thanks a million.
> before you do that, tho, familiarize yourself with the documentation
> system. you will find answers much faster than begging people for help
> on newsgroups.
Thanks for chastising me. I really appreciate that. And I think "begging"
was a bit of an unecessary embellishment. It was a simple question from my
simple mind. Sorry to bother you.
"cfish" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> you are supposed to burn it raw, not burn the .iso file.
>
> the difference is, you are burning it like "this is a file on a CD
> format(iso9660)" instead of telling the burning program "this is the
> raw data, don't worry about file format, just burn it bit by bit.
>
> when using EZCD creator, choose something like,
>
> under File menu, choose "create CD from CD image"
> and choose filetype to be .iso image file. (not .cif) then you burn.
>
>
>
> before you do that, tho, familiarize yourself with the documentation
> system. you will find answers much faster than begging people for help
> on newsgroups.
>
>
> but i think it'd be easier if you just buy a CD from cheapbyte.com or
> similar places.
>
> another notion: I think you should avoid RedHat 7.0. it's known to be
> problem prone. choose the last 6.x version instead, or choose another
> distro.
>
> On Tue, 5 Dec 2000 15:29:05 -0800, "Mark"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >I downloaded the two RH7.0 iso images off of a redhat mirror. I burned
the
> >first one to CD using EasyCD creator 4.0... i was under the impression
that
> >it was a bootable. That .iso file is the only thing on the cd, however
no
> >system will boot off the CD. If I put my Win2K Pro CD in, those systems
> >boot fine off the CD.
> >
> >What did I miss?
> >
>
>
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From: "Kurt R. Rahlfs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: ipchains
Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2000 11:52:12 -0600
Robert Spangler wrote:
> Hello everyone,
>
> I looking to use ipchains to secure my system. Because ipchains can be
> confusing, I'm wondering if there is a script out there to help with the
> setup of ipchains?
>
> Thnx to everyone who can help.
The HOWTO has some good scripts in it and there are packages that can put
together scripts from questions that are asked during the set up. I've
used pmfirewall and have been happy with it.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Black Dragon)
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,comp.os.linux.misc,alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: Linux telnet windows
Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2000 18:02:49 GMT
On Wed, 06 Dec 2000 17:43:39 GMT in alt.os.linux,
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> `[EMAIL PROTECTED]' said:
: The mouse is exactly what is causing the problems.
:
: As soon as I click in the other window, I now have selected
: something else. I have to go back and reselect.
: So, I end up concentrating on hand eye
: coordination, instead of what I am working on.
: I could never have done this when I injured my hand.
:
: Are there any telnet windows with the Edit menu, and the
: Cut and Paste commands?
:
: Thanks
X's copy and paste is far superior to 'doze, once you get the hang of it.
You do not need to click in the window into which you are pasting if you
have the focus set to mouse over. If you don't have the focus set to mouse
over, click on the _edge_ (border) of the window to get focus, then just
hold the cursor over the window, *don't click in it*, then middle click to
paste. That's much more efficient than using menus, and yeah, I know, old
habits are hard to break, so give yourself a chance to get accustomed to it.
Practice makes perfect. :-)
--
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From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: Networking error + Hollywood card added
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 12:10:12 -0600
Sounds like Win '98 switched IRQ's on you and Linux doesn't know about
it.
Go into Win '98 and look at the IRQ setting for your Network card.
Make sure it matches what Linux has configured.
Aj
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:90jmk3$pmb$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Hello,
>
> I am running Redhat 6.1 at home. I dual-boot my PC with Win98, and
> connect it to my laptop which also has Win98. Until recently, my
> networking was working fine. Whether I was booted in Linux or Win98, I
> could see my laptop from my desktop and vice versa.
>
> Recently, I added the Hollywood decoder card. I have noticed that since
> then, my laptop cannot communicate with my desktop. When I am booted
> into Win98, my laptop and desktop can see each other. However, when I
> boot back into Linux, they cannot. I cannot even ping between my
> desktop and laptop - I get a "Destination host unreachable" message. I
> am not sure that the addition of the card has caused this problem, but
> I think that is the case since I haven't changed any of my
> configurations lately and networking was working before.
>
> As a test, I booted into Win98 and printed out the system properties.
> Then I booted back into Linux and noticed that when in Win98, the
> Hollywood decoder card uses IRQ9 while in Linux it uses IRQ3 (which is
> the same IRQ as my network card). Somehow I don't think this is right.
> Can anyone tell me how I can change this? While booting, eth0 comes up
> OK. Ifconfig and netstat -nr give valid outputs.
>
> Please help!!! Your response will be appreciated. Where can I start
> looking for my problems. I don't want to remove the card and try over
> again, but I will if I have to.
>
> Thank you
> Jaideep
>
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Black Dragon)
Subject: Re: ipchains
Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2000 18:18:27 GMT
On Sun, 3 Dec 2000 19:36:09 +0000 in comp.os.linux.setup,
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> `Robert Spangler' said:
: I looking to use ipchains to secure my system. Because ipchains can be
: confusing, I'm wondering if there is a script out there to help with the
: setup of ipchains?
http://www.ecst.csuchico.edu/~dranch/LINUX/TrinityOS/cHTML/TrinityOS-101500c-10.html
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Loading kernel modules for scsi tape with RH 7.0
Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2000 13:37:28 -0500
Reply-To: tgm
Linux documentation is driving me nuts (or the lack of)! I've been
trying for some time now to figure out how to properly load the
appropriate kernel modules to attach and use my tape drive. But the
documentation is as clear as mud.
>From what I can determine, I will need to add some information into
/etc/modules.conf but some things are unclear. The scsi controller is
an old Future Domain tmc-1660 that has been working just fine in other
os environments. It uses i/o base 0xca00 and irq 11. From what I can
tell I need something like "alias scsi fdomain" added to /etc/modules
.conf, but how do I add the necessary i/o and irq parameters? It also
appears that the st.o module needs to be added, but I'm somewhat
clueless regarding what this alias line will require and how to handle
the obvious dependency with the scsi controller module. I don't want
to recompile the kernel and the modules. My preference is to create a
new /etc/rc.d/init.d script to handle the loading during bootup. I
looked at the lilo docs, but from what I can determine, there are some
issues with attempting to pass the fdomain parameters into a module
with lilo where the driver is not compiled into the full kernel.
Assuming you good people can give me guidance that will get the
modules loaded properly, I have a few questions regarding accessing
the tape drive. Will /dev/st0 automatically cause hardware
compression on an HP Surestore 6000 (DDS2) tape drive to be used, or
do I have to use some other device in /dev?
I guess I must be spoiled with the way that AIX and HPUX deal with
hardware. Granted, the engineering groups have a lot more controlled
environment in terms of supported devices, so I sort of expect 'more
configuration required'. The thing that's exasperating is the lack of
clear documentation to get it done. Thank for your help,
Tim
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From: "Jerry �P" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.networking,linux.redhat,linux.redhat.install,linux.redhat.rpm,tw.bbs.comp.linux
Subject: Starting portmapper: execvp: Permission denied
Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 02:37:57 +0800
Hello,
my machine is Redhat 6.2, and When i exit Linuxconf, it states that:
The command
/etc/rc.d/rc3.d/S14nfslock restart
is taking longer than expected to complete
Please take action
Skip (o) this command
Abort ( ) this session
Kill [ ] this command
i usually choose kill the command, and when i view the log, it states that:
Checking base configuration xx
x x Checking kernel's modules
xx
x x Mounting local volumes
xx
x x Checking files permissions
xx
x x Checking LILO
xx
x x Executing some Sysv init scripts
xx
x x Executing: /etc/rc.d/rc3.d/S10network reload
xx
x x Executing: /etc/rc.d/rc3.d/S11portmap start
xx
x x > Starting portmapper: execvp: Permission denied
xx
x x > [FAILED]
xx
x x * return 255
xx
x x Executing: /etc/rc.d/rc3.d/S14nfslock restart
xx
x x * The command takes more than 15 seconds to
execute, odd xx
x x * killed by operator
xx
x x Grabbing some late messages from command
/etc/rc.d/rc3.d/S14nfslock resxx
x x > lockdsvc: Connection refused
xx
done.
How does it occur and how can i fix it ? thank you for your help , i am a
junior only.
Jerry
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From: "Lamar Thomas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.mail.sendmail,comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Another Sendmail Question
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 10:39:17 -0800
I installed RH Linux 6.2 at home a few weeks ago (I am new to Linux) and
Sendmail was working right out of the box! I could send AND receive e-mail.
Then I wanted to re-install Linux just for the fun of it. So I re-formatted
my drive and started again. I took the same options, however this time
Sendmail didn't work (I could SEND mail out but I could not receive mail). I
re-formatted two more times with the same results. Sendmail loads fine with
no errors [OK]. It just will not receive e-mail. Any ideas? Thanks for any
help.
Lamar
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Black Dragon)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.networking,linux.redhat,linux.redhat.install,linux.redhat.rpm,tw.bbs.comp.linux
Subject: Re: Starting portmapper: execvp: Permission denied
Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2000 18:50:03 GMT
[ posted & mailed ]
On Thu, 7 Dec 2000 02:37:57 +0800 in comp.os.linux.setup,
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> `Jerry �P' said:
: Hello,
:
: my machine is Redhat 6.2, and When i exit Linuxconf, it states that:
[...]
Jerry!
Quit cross posting to so many groups and use just one or two relevant groups!
Cross posting to more than 2-3 groups is considered bad netiquette. Your
question has already been answered, but because you are cross posting to so
many different groups, I don't remember where I seen it. Your are going to
have a tough time getting help from the Linux community if you keep this up.
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From: "philo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Netscape installing ERROR?
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 04:59:35 -0600
although gzip -d
should have worked...
i'd first just try
gunzip
(if that doesn't uncompress the file...it must be corrupted i'd think)
and if it works
then tar -xvf
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dos win lin os/2 cp/m nde beos
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From: "Rloc" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Motherboard upgrade (2nd posting)
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 21:21:05 +0200
Someone please give me a hand here!
I have a Mandrake 7 machine which was built up on a Pentium 100 platform.
I now have the opportunity to upgrade this platform to either a Celeron 266
or a Celeron 466. My intention is to build up one of these machines and
install my existing hard drive loaded with Mandrake into this new box.
Having done this, do I need to do anything else (such as recompile the
kernel for the processor) for example, or will Mandrake's automatic hardware
detection take care of it all for me?
Thanks for the help
Rob
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jesse Sheidlower)
Subject: Linux on Dell C600 laptop?
Date: 6 Dec 2000 14:21:29 -0500
I'm about to get a Dell Latitude C600 laptop, which is not listed on
the Linux Laptop page. Does anyone have advice on what I should expect
to have to go through? I'm not entirely clueless about computers but I
have no Linux experience, and I'd like to be sure I can use Linux on
this and not have huge problems with the docking station, or the
printer, or a CD-RW drive, or whatever. What distro would be the easiest
for this setup?
Oh, I have to dual-boot with WinNT--I know that sort of complicates
things.
Thank you.
Jesse Sheidlower
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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From: Michel Poirier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: EIDE CD-ROM Writer problem
Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2000 19:42:59 GMT
Well I'm sure many other users asked the same question in the past. But
it seems that I'm unable to get the status of my EIDE CDRW drive using
'cdrecord -scanbus'. It's complaining about the fact that no SCSI drives
were found. I compiled the kernel with the SCSI Emulation 'Y' and the
Generic SCSI 'Y'.
Did I miss something ?
Thanks
Michel Poirier
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From: "Peter T. Breuer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.mail.sendmail,comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: Another Sendmail Question
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 20:34:57 +0100
In comp.os.linux.misc Lamar Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> re-formatted two more times with the same results. Sendmail loads fine with
> no errors [OK]. It just will not receive e-mail. Any ideas? Thanks for any
Configure it. It needs at least to know your host name and domainname
as well as to BE RUNNING. If you do not understand what those two words
mean, I strongly suggest you ask yourself before you ask me!
Peter
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From: Chris Meisinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Sendmail question
Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2000 19:49:33 GMT
I'm having the same problem to and am wondering if it is a relay problem.
Chris
Peter Tselios wrote:
> Probably a configuretion problem!!!!
> I have the same problem and I need help too!
> A note: Do not use you linux box as root, except of the cases that is
> absolutelly necessary (eg install a new package) :):)
> root <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.mail.sendmail,comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: Another Sendmail Question
Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2000 19:39:22 GMT
You should try to use install-sendmail. I had a number of issues that
it fixed
In article <3a2e85fc$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"Lamar Thomas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I installed RH Linux 6.2 at home a few weeks ago (I am new to Linux)
and
> Sendmail was working right out of the box! I could send AND receive e-
mail.
> Then I wanted to re-install Linux just for the fun of it. So I re-
formatted
> my drive and started again. I took the same options, however this time
> Sendmail didn't work (I could SEND mail out but I could not receive
mail). I
> re-formatted two more times with the same results. Sendmail loads
fine with
> no errors [OK]. It just will not receive e-mail. Any ideas? Thanks
for any
> help.
>
> Lamar
>
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.mail.sendmail,comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: Another Sendmail Question
Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2000 19:42:58 GMT
You should try to use install-sendmail. I had a number of issues that
it fixed
In article <3a2e85fc$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"Lamar Thomas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I installed RH Linux 6.2 at home a few weeks ago (I am new to Linux)
and
> Sendmail was working right out of the box! I could send AND receive e-
mail.
> Then I wanted to re-install Linux just for the fun of it. So I re-
formatted
> my drive and started again. I took the same options, however this time
> Sendmail didn't work (I could SEND mail out but I could not receive
mail). I
> re-formatted two more times with the same results. Sendmail loads
fine with
> no errors [OK]. It just will not receive e-mail. Any ideas? Thanks
for any
> help.
>
> Lamar
>
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Does anyone know!?!?!
Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2000 19:43:16 GMT
I did mesg y but I still get the error 'no connection yet' and 'error
on read' any other ideas!?!
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> > Hello,
> > I am trying to run the talk command but I get the message that
> > the connection is refused. I changed the disable = yes to no for the
> > talk file in the /etc/xinet.d/talk but still get the error. Am I
> > missing some other config file? I could not find any usefull
> > documention on the configuration of this. Any help would be much
> > appreciated. Thanks in advance.
> >
>
> man mesg
>
> Eric
>
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From: "mu6sys" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Audio
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 12:58:26 +0200
I need program that can play to device starting from any place within the
mpeg file with provided SDK(or sources) , interface to TCL and volume
control.
If anyone can give any information please reply me.
Thanks,
Elena
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From: "Peter T. Breuer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: another newbie, trouble getting started
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 20:48:38 +0100
Mark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> system. you will find answers much faster than begging people for help
>> on newsgroups.
> Thanks for chastising me. I really appreciate that. And I think "begging"
> was a bit of an unecessary embellishment. It was a simple question from my
> simple mind. Sorry to bother you.
And beggars also say that it's a simple request from a simple person
who is unable, through no fault of their own, to do work like everyone
else.
Peter
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