Linux-Setup Digest #265, Volume #20 Thu, 21 Dec 00 10:13:08 EST
Contents:
Re: Working with a small HD and a Jaz Drive ("Bill")
Re: which LINUX to choose (Ned Latham)
Re: BackSpace Keycode trouble (Thomas Dickey)
Problem when installing StarOffice via NFS ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Alt-tab wierdness in Gnome / Sawfish (Steve Linberg)
Re: Upgrading Ghostscript's RPM (Mike Gifford)
Re: Upgrading Ghostscript's RPM (Mike Gifford)
Re: Installing new kernel (Noel McLoughlin)
Kernel Compile Issues ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
test- please ignore (Chet Vora)
Upgrade to rpm 4.0 has problems (Chet Vora)
ramdisks ("Zayin Krige")
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From: "Bill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Working with a small HD and a Jaz Drive
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 13:19:05 GMT
I would use the Jaz for the main system and mount the internal disk for
extra storage. This sounds like an older machine, so the Jaz is likely to be
faster than the internal disk and thus give you better performance, SCSI is
better than IDE but thats another thread :-). Another advantage is if you
have several Jaz disks, you can put different installs on each of them, say
one for testing and another thats stable. I did this with a system using an
external Jaz and changing systems was as easy as swapping Jaz disks. I had a
stable system that I didn't mess with and then a disk with an identical
install that I could play with, compile developement kernals on and such, it
worked out really good. The only problem you might run into is if the SCSI
card is not bootable, have it's own bios, or if the bios on your motherboard
doesn't support booting from SCSI devices.
Either way you should be able to mount the partitions anywhere you want
during setup. I haven't used RH in a long time, I run Slackware, so I'm not
totally 100% sure what the installer looks like now but you should see both
drives. the internal being /dev/hda if it's the primary master and the Jaz
as /dev/sda if it's the first SCSI drive. Then you could put /boot and /home
on the internal, /usr on the Jaz and so on.
You can also do an expert install, if thats what they call it in RH, and
select the individual packages you want. The advantages of this is you can
get rid of stuff like Apache, Sendmail, the GIMP, basically anything you
don't think you'll use, to free up space. The last time I used RH, the
default install put a bunch of stuff out there that I would never use.
HTH
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:91r8tr$o4b$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Linux Guru's:
> I have recently installed Linux(Redhat 6.2) on an old machine at work(a
> P133mhz w/96mbs of ram upgraded to P400mhz). Unfortunately, this
> machine has a pretty small harddrive(only 1.2 GB), so I installed a Jaz
> 2GB drive. I would like to use this machine for experimentation and
> development, so I am therefore badly in need of additional space. The
> original hard drive layout obviously put everything on the systems
> fixed hard drive(the root directory is 99% full). I plan on installing
> the upgraded desktops from Gnome and KDE, in addition to ORACLE, Java,
> etc.. I am afraid of the speed that I will encounter if I load all of
> these things on the Jaz drive. Being a newbie, I am not exactly sure
> how I should proceed. Any help with the following questions will be
> appreciated:
>
> 1) Does it make any sense to clear room on the fixed hard drive for
> stuff that is going to be accessed all of the time like Helix GNOME or
> the newest KDE? If so then what should I move(I have included a
> summary of my HD at the bottom of this message). In addition, how much
> of a hassle will this actually be? Although, I think it would be a good
> learning experience I don't want to spend a week and a half doing it.
>
> 2) Assuming that it does make sense to move the files that are not used
> as much to the jaz drive. What steps do I actually need to take to
> move the files then let the system know where to find them?
>
> 3) Am I better off just re-installing Linux from scratch and trying to
> get the file system set up the way that I want it during the install
> routine. I would like to avoid this, however, I am not keen on
> spending a week(remember I am a newbie) to just get the files the way
> that I would like them. I think there are more important things I can
> learn once the system is up.
>
> 4) Is there any directory that I can probably do without that would
> help me save a lot of space. I am afraid of just deleting stuff since
> I plan on experimenting with this machine and don't want to delete
> stuff that I will need later. I know this question is kind of broad
> (since you don't know what I am likely to experiment with) but any
> advice would help.
>
>
> Exhibit A:
> The whole / file system
> 12k /lost+found
> 2.4M /boot
> 739M /usr
> 0 /proc
> 13M /var
> 12k /tmp
> 112k /dev
> 2.3M /etc
> 5.2M /bin
> 18M /home
> 20M /lib
> 23k /mnt
> 1.0k /opt
> 163k /root
> 3.5M /sbin
> 804M /
>
> Exhibit B:
> Here I broke out the /usr directory since it was by far the biggest.
>
> 16k /usr/lost+found
> 58M /usr/X11R6
> 84M /usr/bin
> 408k /usr/dict
> 95M /usr/doc
> 4.0k /usr/etc
> 36k /usr/games
> 13M /usr/include
> 5.5M /usr/info
> 241M /usr/lib
> 80k /usr/local
> 18M /usr/man
> 6.7M /usr/sbin
> 183M /usr/share
> 7.0M /usr/src
> 848k /usr/libexec
> 252k /usr/i386-redhat-linux
> 3.4M /usr/kerberos
> 5.4M /usr/i486-linux-libc5
> 18M /usr/webmin
> 739M /usr
>
> Thanks-
> Rodney
>
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ned Latham)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,at.linux,ger.pc.linux,linux.debian.qa,linux.debian.user
Subject: Re: which LINUX to choose
Date: 21 Dec 2000 13:29:25 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Henry_Barta wrote in <91qsgo$bua$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> In linux.debian.user John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > You probably did, though. It has a pretty horrible UI. Fortunately,
> > there is some hope that it will go away soon.
>
> Actually, when I recently installed Debian 2.2, it did not dump
> me into dselect. It used some other tool that allowed be to
> choose 'tasks' that I wanted to do, like C++ programming or
> Perl developement. Then the first time I ran 'dselect', it
> installed a bunch-o-packages that *it* thought I should have.
>
> I've also found that if there is any sort of dependency 'issue',
> it seems like 'dselect' will not complete the installation. It
> indicates this by coming back to the 'install' menu item instead
> of moving to the 'configure' menu item. Rerunning 'install'
> often resolves the problem (as the message on the screen tells
> me. :)
>
> 'dselect' to be replaced? Well... When it works, it works well.
> But when I want to override it, it really becomes a pitched
> battle. Perhaps there are features of which I'm not aware, but
> when I have to wrestle to get the S/W to do what I want (even
> though it thinks it knows better) then I start to want to move
> on. It was 'dselect' that moved me away from Debian in the
> first place.
Me too. As a newby, I looked over the the main distroes and decided
that Debian offered the best mix of "Unixness" and manageability
for one of limited experience, and bought a book with a Debian 2.1
CD ROM included. But dselect found a dependency problem, and the
CD ROM couldn't resolve it.
So I went to Red Hat 5.2 for my intro, and now I'm learning about
Slackware.
--
Ned ++++++ Democracy means "the people rule".
Forget the republic: fight for the power of assent.
To reply, cut out my nose and make the met a net.
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From: Thomas Dickey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.windows.x
Subject: Re: BackSpace Keycode trouble
Date: 21 Dec 2000 13:47:21 GMT
In comp.os.linux.setup Ron House <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I have just upgraded my Linux system to RedHat 6.2, using their standard
> upgrade program, but unfortunately since then, one key code (BackSpace)
> doesn't work properly. (It did before.) I want the backspace key to
> delete backwards, and the del key to delete forwards, but both keys are
> deleting forwards.
see the app-defaults file for XTerm
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Problem when installing StarOffice via NFS
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 13:55:25 GMT
Hi all,
I'm trying to make a user installation of StarOffice 5.2 but when the
installation program tries to copy files to my home directory it hangs up. If
I do the same in a directory than isn't mounted via nfs (such as /tmp) it
works fine. Any one can help me?
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Subject: Alt-tab wierdness in Gnome / Sawfish
From: Steve Linberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 14:09:53 GMT
Any help on what is probably an idiotic question would be much appreciated.
Alt-tab under Gnome / Sawfish is driving me nutty. This behavior is not
necessarily reproducible, which drives me even nuttier. Basically what
happens is this: often to always, when using alt-tab to switch windows
(with alt-tab mapped to "cycle windows" in the Sawfish "bindings" tab of
the Gnome Control Center), a small window appears in the center of the
screen showing the title of the window currently hilighted in the cycle.
Sometimes, when I release alt-tab when I'm at the window I want, it goes
away and everything's fine and normal. Sometimes this small title window
"sticks" and won't go away until a mouse click occurs. While it's stuck,
any keypresses I might do get "piled up" behind it, and the (emphatic,
usually accompanied by cursing) click spills the piled up keystrokes into
whatever window winds up being on top after the window-name-thing goes
away.
Sometimes this goes away if I rm -rf ~/.sawfish; sometimes it seems to come
back on its own.
I clearly don't even know where to look for the answer to this, although I
have done a lot of looking.
I'm running a 4-workspace desktop, if that has anything to do with it, but
my hunch is that it doesn't.
I'm ready to leap. Any suggestions or dope-slaps?
Thanks.
--
Steve Linberg, Chief Goblin
Silicon Goblin Technologies
http://silicongoblin.com
Be kind. Remember, everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle.
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From: Mike Gifford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: linux.redhat.rpm
Subject: Re: Upgrading Ghostscript's RPM
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 14:10:17 GMT
I'll pass this along, thanks! However, I don't know how to open the rpm
to insert the patch into the makefile. Is there a good program to do
this somewhere? It makes sense, just lost in the specifics....
Kevin wrote:
>
> Use the source rpm (src.rpm) and create a patch file for the
> Makefile which you'd need to add to the spec file. Get it?
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Mike Gifford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >
> > to compile with gs5.x, simply add
> > DEVICE_DEVS4=cdj850.dev cdj670.dev cdj890.dev cdj1600.dev
> > to your makefile.
> >
> > Any suggestions on how to insert this functionality using an RPM? I've
> > contacted the author & he is interested in posting it to the site if
> > there is an answer out there.
>
> --
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> opinions and not those of any organization with which I may be affiliated.
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From: Mike Gifford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: linux.redhat.rpm
Subject: Re: Upgrading Ghostscript's RPM
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 14:12:23 GMT
Hi Bill,
Thanks. As it turns out it is in RedHat 7.0, so this was a great short
cut...
Mike
Bill Unruh wrote:
> Well, you can, with a tiny bit more labour.
> However, if you do
> gs --help
> It will list a long list of available devices.
> See if those are already there. They are on the gs which comes with
> Mandrake 7.1, so you could just try installing its rpm for gs.
> (Just go to a Mandrake Mirror and get the gs from the rpm files in that
> distribution)
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From: Noel McLoughlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Installing new kernel
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 14:19:13 +0000
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Sasha,
here is some very general (Vague) instructions:
- your pc must have been setup with the "development" modules installed
- you will need this
not just for kernel install, but any software you decide to install
from source.
If you did'nt do this, rerun the Linux install (from cdrom or whatever)
and select
development category under packages. you need stuff like, gcc,
libc, yacc, bison,
etc.. but they should be selected automatically by development
category in linux
install.
I use suse 6.4, and always download the source instead of RPMs as I
am now more
experienced with linux and can control what is happening better. But
this means
i need lots of different development packages installed.
cd /usr/src
ls -l ./linux
--rwx--- ... linux --> /usr/src/linux/linxu-2.2.14
rm ./linux (delete link)
tar -zxvf /<mount point>/<location>/kernel-2.2.17.tar.gz
..... extracts kernel to /usr/src/linux-2.2.17 directory
ln -s /usr/src/linux-2.2.17/ linux (create linux link)
cd ./linux
make xconfig (change options as required. To make your kernel faster,
remove
any components which you don't need. ie.. things like radio
cards,
RAID, drivers you don't have, etc )
then save and exit (or save configuration as file if you want, then
save and exit)
make clean
make bzImage (or make bzlilo if you have lilo installed)
make modules
make modules_install
The new kernel will be in either /usr/src/linux/arch/i386/boot/vmlinuz
(or somewhere similar)
Or the new kernel may be placed in / (root directory).
( just do ls -l and check the dates on vmlinuz and System.map if it
was created. )
install procedure:
cat /etc/lilo.conf and have a look at the current configuration
for
your linux.
cp /boot/<current kernel> /boot/<current-kernel>.bak
cp /usr/src/linux/arch/i386/boot/vmlinuz
/boot/<current-kernel-name-as-per-/etc/lilo.conf>
cp the System.map file to the /boot/System.map-2.2.17
# lilo
reboot and test (but keep your LINUX BOOT DISK handy incase things go
wrong).
I have compiled kernels many times but the first few times were very
troublesome
as I did'nt quite understand what was going on. Things will go wrong
I'm sure.
But eventually compiling a new kernel will be childs-play.
noel
Michael Heiming wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> before trying to compile a new kernel read:
>
> http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/Kernel-HOWTO.html
>
> Or lookup RH (I don't use it) if they have a newer standart kernel, which
> doesn't need to
> be compiled, for your distro available.
>
> Sasha wrote:
>
> > Hi all
> >
> > I have Linux RH 6.2 with kernel 2.2.14, i want to install new kernel. I
> > was wondering how could i change to a new kernel.
> > Is it enough to just execute the make file?
> > would a new kernel delete all the data i have in my PC ? What should i
> > know before i replacing the kernel i have now ?
> >
> > Any help and suggestion will be appreciated.
> >
> > Thanks in Sasha
>
> Good luck
>
> Michael Heiming
> Sysadmin
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Kernel Compile Issues
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 14:17:32 GMT
I'm trying to compile a 2.2.14 kernel on an ARM
device, and am running into a problem.
When I do 'make zImage', it goes a little and
fails. The last part of the log is:
================================================
Considering target file `dummy'.
File `dummy' does not exist.
Finished prerequisites of target file
`dummy'.
Must remake target `dummy'.
*** 2.2 kernels no longer build correctly with
old versions of binutils.
Got a SIGCHLD; 2 unreaped children.
Putting child 0x02070440 (dummy) PID 1692 on the
chain.
Live child 0x02070440 (dummy) PID 1692
Reaping winning child 0x02070440 PID 1692
*** Please upgrade your binutils to 2.9.5.
Got a SIGCHLD; 2 unreaped children.
Live child 0x02070440 (dummy) PID 1693
Reaping winning child 0x02070440 PID 1693
Live child 0x02070440 (dummy) PID 1694
Got a SIGCHLD; 1 unreaped children.
Reaping losing child 0x02070440 PID 1694
make: *** [dummy] Error 1
Removing child 0x02070440 PID 1694 from chain.
================================================
The biggest thing that stands out to me is the
binutils 2.9.5 bit, but I'm running 2.9.5.0.31-3.
Any help would be greatly appreciated, since this
is driving me nuts!
Thanks,
Bill
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From: Chet Vora <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: test- please ignore
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 09:58:40 -0500
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From: Chet Vora <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc,alt.linux
Subject: Upgrade to rpm 4.0 has problems
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 10:05:22 -0500
Hi all,
I upgraded my rpm3.03 of RH6.2 to Rpm4.0 using gnorpm. When doing the upgrade,
it didn't complain. Now when I run gnorpm, it says -
"error in loading shared libraries: /usr/lib/librpm.so.0: undefined symbol:
ufdio"
Any pointers on what I can do. I saw people mention on here that upgrade to
3.0.5-9.6 works better - is that true ?
Also, the reason I was trying the upgrade was that gnorpm was giving me "only
packages with major nos <= 3 are supported by this version of RPM" when trying
to install ddd3.2.1.rpm. Anyone's been able to install that successfully ?
TIA,
Chet
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From: "Zayin Krige" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: ramdisks
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 17:05:03 +0200
I wish to create a ramdisk a my main partition when booting, and i need to
load my other partitions as readonly.
What are the steps involved? could someone please help.
Tia,
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